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Wizard wifi bug - shows all networks as available

I found a bug in tmobile rom 1.6.2.4 and qtek ROM 1.6.7.1. When access points are out of range they still show up as available. The network "Free WiFi - Be nice!" is NOT in range, yet it continues to appear in the list. Even after a few minutes.
This prevents my software - WiFiFoFum from working properly. Could someone please confirm they also have this problem so I can rule out that its my hardware.
TIA
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yes mine does that as well. it also tries to connect to out of range networks, it cycles through them and for some reason it attempts to connect to the "in range" network last.

I think it trying to connect to unavailable ones is normal. This is so it can still connect to a network which is in range but not broadcasting it's SSID. Some people turn off broadcasting the SSID on their wireless routers to prevent others from discovering it.
However displaying networks not in range as available is NOT normal!!! This means that nobody with a Wizard can war drive :-(

I'm pretty sure that I've seen exactly this behaviour on every HTC device I've owned, i.e. it sits there stating that it's connected to my home network despite me being 200 miles away.

The WZC list has always been a bit screwy thats not an HTC problem its MS's. Like the first time you open the dialog it might take a few secs to show real information. However this bug is different because it continues to show APs as available. Only way to clear the available list is to power cycle wifi (or power cycle device which does the same).

I'm not convinced that this bug (if it is one) effects war driving....
Indie, using beta's of your latest app all ap's located at the start of a scanning run are located correctly.....It's after a few miles I start to have problems, and the problems I have are ap's located BEFORE I actually reach them....perhaps the wizards wifi drivers are telepathic

I've been using the Wizard for War Walking for a month now with Wififofum. If it hits 32 Ap's connected Wififofum crashes. The only way to clear out the list of AP's to start Wififofum with the wifi off, then close Wififofum. Restarting with the wifi on will make it behave normally.
In practice I switch the wifi on and off to disconnect AP's. This is often every 20-30meters in central london. Some places there are so many AP's that simply starting Wififofum cause it to crash. The Wizard can't handle crashes so a reset is required - up to 90 seconds. Sometimes within a few minutes of the last crash.
I've collected 5000 AP's so far but quite frankly, I'm somewhat pi**ed off with it.
I tried posting this on the Wififofum forumebut their email confirm registration process failed and I've run out of email addresses to register with. I also emailed them twice as I assumed it was Wififofum bug.

Sounds like 32 is the maximum number of APs that can be in the drivers internal access point list. Then perhaps when it sees the 33rd it crashes because it tries to add it off the end of the array? Hmm I didn't receive your emails about this bug. If you give me the username you signed up with I can activate your account. We need someone like you on our forum

I just tested the I-mate 1.1.9.3 ROM and it also has the problem. I was hoping to find a ROM that doesnt have the problem so we could take the wifi driver from it and install it via wififofum however it doesnt look likely we'll find one.

peterweg said:
The Wizard can't handle crashes so a reset is required
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Usually if a program crashes most of the device becomes unresponsive, including the today screen if you manage to get to it with the hangup button. But most of the time the Start menu still responds. From there you still manage to go to Parameters, System, Memory, Running programs and kill the unresponsive app.
Works 90% of the time, this already saved me quite a lot of resets, like when I stupidly run VisualGPSce forgetting to turn on Bluetooth. This Stupid app freezes all the device until it manages to open the COM port, which obviously never happens...

Just to confirm that with the lastest beta of wififofum my QTEK 9100:
Rom verson:1.1.9.3
Rom Date: 9/16/05
Radio version:01.01.10
Protocol ver :4.0.13.16
ExtRom: 1.1.9.106
works just fine, no problems at all with war driving.

Drewy, run wififofum and let it detect your home access point or wireless router if you have one. Then power off the access point or router. Then watch wififofum continue to show the wireless network as in range. Examine the LastSeen column.
The reason you might think wififofum is ok as wififofum actually only updates the coordinates of a network if the signal gets stronger - that is for teh file it makes when you do File->save. However if you use autolog mode then it wont work correctly it will produce a file with every AP at every coordinate, after the AP has been found.

OK I concur.
Once it's detected 32 ap's that's your lot!
Is there perhaps a way around this (within wifofofum) , just a few quick ideas:
1, programatically remove ap's from the list when signal starts to decrease.
2, up the limit to something bigger than 32, if this figure is not hard coded.
3, flip the wifi radio off then back on once the list hits 30 or something...
Only idea's have no idea of the advantages/disadvantages of any at this stage, anyone think any of these (or others) are worth pursuing?

I dont think its possible to clear out the driver's list. Since when you get the list from the driver it gives you a copy.
THe power off on thing would work to prevent it reaching the 32 limit, however it doesnt help the problem that APs are still seen as available when they arnt.
We can hope there will be a new wifi driver in the new ROM. And then we can extract it and I can include it in WiFiFoFum and allow people to use the fixed driver on any ROM version. Is there a way to issue a bug report to HTC?

are we sure that it is a bug and not normal operation of mobile 5.0? has anyone been able to try any other mobile 5.0 devices ?

my dopod 838 does this as well... it cycles thru all networks [shows unavailable as available kinda misleading...]

I have the same problem with Universal (Qtek 9000) also :?
I thinks it's better I post in Universal forum

indiekiduk
I've PM's you.

new ROM 2.8.7.102 still has the problem
The new ROM with push email - Qtek version 2.8.7.102 still suffers the same bug :-(
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=40458&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Great news! This bug has been fixed in the new i-mate ROM
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=42663&highlight=

When connected to WIFI network, TyTN tries to launch a 3G/GPRS connection instead of

I've read the FAQ and see that this has already been answered but I just don't understand it. From what I can tell, my settings are as described and yet I still have this problem. Also, the second part of the answer in the FAQ says to go to settings - connections - network card, I don't see network card.
Please help. This is very annoying.

carsmovies said:
I've read the FAQ and see that this has already been answered but I just don't understand it. From what I can tell, my settings are as described and yet I still have this problem. Also, the second part of the answer in the FAQ says to go to settings - connections - network card, I don't see network card.
Please help. This is very annoying.
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On the network cards point -
Start>settings>connections Do not go to the next connections icon but look for PDA picture icon Network Cards.
Mike

mikechannon said:
On the network cards point -
Start>settings>connections Do not go to the next connections icon but look for PDA picture icon Network Cards.
Mike
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This is what I see when I go to settings-connections:
My ISP
add a new modem connection
manage existing connections
My Work Network
Add a new modem connection
Add a new VPN server connection
Set up my proxy server

carsmovies said:
This is what I see when I go to settings-connections:
My ISP
add a new modem connection
manage existing connections
My Work Network
Add a new modem connection
Add a new VPN server connection
Set up my proxy server
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That's because you have gone one connections click too far! See my above post and do not tap on the second connections icon.
Post back here if you still can't find it.
Cheers
Mike

This is the screen you want - see the second connections link AND the Network Cards icon
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Sorry my bad. Found it but as mentioned before, all my settings are as suggested. I've now taken my sim out and connected to wifi. When I open a internet site I get a popup window saying:
Cannot Connect
The current connection cannot be used for your request. Please end the current connection and try again.
Obviously since it doesn't have any GPRS connection at all it can't even try to connect to GPRS while connected to Wifi.
I've even upgraded my ROM thinking that might be the problem but it didn't help.
I don't remember having this issue when I previously had a Tytn.
I should add though that i am able to surf using the wifi but it's still very annoying that these pop-up windows keep coming up.

I'm pretty green here, but was having the same issue that you were having - a big concern because my company hadn't coughed up the $$ for a data plan as yet and so I would have to pay for all the charges.
After spending an eternity on hold I got to speak with someone, cut thru a bunch of crap by saying "yes, I've soft reset and even hard reset the device...". She then had me check a setting, then told me to remove the battery with the device powered up. I figured it was one of those stupid things on a checklist, but it actually fixed my problem completely!

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I'm pretty green here, but was having the same issue that you were having - a big concern because my company hadn't coughed up the $$ for a data plan as yet and so I would have to pay for all the charges.
After spending an eternity on hold I got to speak with someone, cut thru a bunch of crap by saying "yes, I've soft reset and even hard reset the device...". She then had me check a setting, then told me to remove the battery with the device powered up. I figured it was one of those stupid things on a checklist, but it actually fixed my problem completely!
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I just tried that and at first it seemed to solve the problem but that was cause it wasn't truely connected to wifi at all but just GPRS. I disconnected wifi and reconnected it and the problem was still there.

same problem
I am having the same problem... when i go to settings>connections i dont have a network cards icon at all. what is wrong and how do i correct this

You are using Direct Push I assume ?
If yes, it because direct push always use GPRS/UMTS (not wifi)

adebilloez said:
If yes, it because direct push always use GPRS/UMTS (not wifi)
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Yes. So since I am it constantly tries to stay connected I assume?
Is there any solution to this?

I experienced this behaviour before, too. A hard reset solved it then and it never occurred again.
Another issue is, that you can't make Hermes changing profiles automatically when it's connected via Wifi.
I've configured a proxy server in my a connection profile, since my WAP-flatrate with O2 Germany will apply only for connections via that proxy (btw it works for regular websites, too). That proxy of course is unreachable from outside O2's network, so when I'm using Wifi I always need to change my preferred profile, so the proxy settings won't apply.
And now guess what happens when I forget to switch back to the proxy profile and then get on the web through 3G! €€€!!!
In terms of connectivity Windows Mobile is crap! And I fear they won't fix it for us Hermes users, but force us to buy some WM6 device.

I sometimes have this problem, and have found a 'temporary' solution.
I connect to the wifi, and then, without doing anything else, immediately disconnect. Then connect again, and it seems to work. Not sure why. Maybe it will work for you.

marisa4755 said:
I sometimes have this problem, and have found a 'temporary' solution.
I connect to the wifi, and then, without doing anything else, immediately disconnect. Then connect again, and it seems to work. Not sure why. Maybe it will work for you.
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Hi
I'm Jake from Italy, I used to have the same problem, without knowing I used same Marisa procedure and it works!
Jake

I too had this problem and my fix was to - turn off phone connection - turn on phone connection - turn on WiFi.
Only had to do this once and has been working ever since. Of course you have to have the other settings as recommended earlier here.

problem with Atom EXEC WIFI

i'm experiencing WIFI connection problem with my Atom exec. before i can use my wifi, now i can't..it hardly detect any signals..I always got disconnection because of the weak signals...i don't know why this happens, i can use my WIFI before, but today, i can't( i use it in the same place).. compared to my friend' N92, he can detect the signal while i cannot..i need help why did it happened..i can use the WLAN before and i don't have a problem with the signal strength detection..but now, it's WIFI is almost useless.. i cant even have a decent connection.. i tried hard reset, but still, didn't help..what else can i do? does OS upgrade can help me??? by the way, im using the latest WM5 from O2..tnx guys..need help..

i really need help guys..
emjaygee said:
i'm experiencing WIFI connection problem with my Atom exec. before i can use my wifi, now i can't..it hardly detect any signals..I always got disconnection because of the weak signals...i don't know why this happens, i can use my WIFI before, but today, i can't( i use it in the same place).. compared to my friend' N92, he can detect the signal while i cannot..i need help why did it happened..i can use the WLAN before and i don't have a problem with the signal strength detection..but now, it's WIFI is almost useless.. i cant even have a decent connection.. i tried hard reset, but still, didn't help..what else can i do? does OS upgrade can help me??? by the way, im using the latest WM5 from O2..tnx guys..need help..
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please..i need help,..

emjaygee said:
please..i need help,..
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try to upgrade to WM6 and check if wifi can be continous or can easily be found. have the same problem with official wm5 before, intermittent connection via wifi

WIFI Problem
Hi,
I have upgraded my ATOM EXEC to Abusalza's RC3 TouchFlo and WIFI is working amazing.
ashutosh

i'll try..
i'll give it a try guys..tnx..but, i think there's nothing wrong with the ROM version..because i'm doing great before with it's WIFI using its default ROM..but now, i can't access the net..although the status is connected, still can't access the web.as if there's no connection at all..and also, i've noticed the weak signal it detected.at maximum of -65...haay.. pls help me guys..

emjaygee said:
i'll give it a try guys..tnx..but, i think there's nothing wrong with the ROM version..because i'm doing great before with it's WIFI using its default ROM..but now, i can't access the net..although the status is connected, still can't access the web.as if there's no connection at all..and also, i've noticed the weak signal it detected.at maximum of -65...haay.. pls help me guys..
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what IE are you using? try opera browser if your already connected but can't browse anything. for the ROM version, have you tried HR?

brian_2cool4u said:
what IE are you using? try opera browser if your already connected but can't browse anything. for the ROM version, have you tried HR?
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sir, i'm using the WM5 version of IE, and even the latest IE from WM6..still didin't help..i tried using opera..didn't also help..i can browse though GRPS, but not in WIFI..although it said in my WIFI utility says i'm connected..and i also noticed the very weak signal detection of my EXEC..could it be a hardware problem??? i need help..sigh...

emjaygee said:
sir, i'm using the WM5 version of IE, and even the latest IE from WM6..still didin't help..i tried using opera..didn't also help..i can browse though GRPS, but not in WIFI..although it said in my WIFI utility says i'm connected..and i also noticed the very weak signal detection of my EXEC..could it be a hardware problem??? i need help..sigh...
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could be wifi signal problem for poor signal. I haven't got that problem with my wifi here at home.

haaay.
brian_2cool4u said:
could be wifi signal problem for poor signal. I haven't got that problem with my wifi here at home.
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yah...i could be the problem..but i still wonder why is that even though i got connected into about 65db, the opera or IE still don't load pages..it says that i got disconnected..could it be because it is considered not connected??? i want a solution to fix this problem..i really love my atom exec...but w/out its wifi capabilities, it just turned into simple WM phone..

emjaygee said:
yah...i could be the problem..but i still wonder why is that even though i got connected into about 65db, the opera or IE still don't load pages..it says that i got disconnected..could it be because it is considered not connected??? i want a solution to fix this problem..i really love my atom exec...but w/out its wifi capabilities, it just turned into simple WM phone..
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first off, what kind of wifi connection do you have? WEP/WAP security? are you really connected to a wifi connection? do you have the blinking tower icon with left and right arrows? I don't have wifi here at the office, sorry no screen shots. just check the pix below for reference of the icon im refering to.
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brian_2cool4u said:
first off, what kind of wifi connection do you have? WEP/WAP security? are you really connected to a wifi connection? do you have the blinking tower icon with left and right arrows? I don't have wifi here at the office, sorry no screen shots. just check the pix below for reference of the icon im refering to.
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i know very well how to connect with WIFI..it doesn't have any WEP security..yap..im connected.. im trying to PING different sites with my WIFI utiliy in my Atom exec and it has a response..i just really don't know what's going on..it worked very well before...

need help..
please help guys..help me..pls save my atom exec..huhu

emjaygee said:
please help guys..help me..pls save my atom exec..huhu
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Too bad SC here in the Phils had been closed. Believed it was JS services, after MWG took over o2, they had been terminated as SC for o2.
No more support for our beloved ATOM............

Wifi network cards in xda stealth!!!!

what network cards are supported in xda stealth.....???ie if you go to settings> coonections> network cards and then which one you choose to connect to wifi????

alright man,if you have a wireless network available to you then you have to choose that network.If it has password enter that password and you will be right.

mightyblues92 said:
alright man,if you have a wireless network available to you then you have to choose that network.If it has password enter that password and you will be right.
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thanks alot ....i have a network but the wifi never connects because itis always off and there is no buton to turn it on ....i beleive this happened after aprevious upgrade and may be in the registry but iam afraid to touch the registry now but eventually i may need to:

My phone in Wireless Manager not have wifi button to turn on wifi. Every body, please help.

I select this network adapter from the list:
‘tiacxwln Compatible Wireless Ethernet’
Andy

underwurlde said:
I select this network adapter from the list:
‘tiacxwln Compatible Wireless Ethernet’
Andy
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I don't know it mean??? Please help

Can ANYBODY tell us what is the right setting for the wifi in the registry in xda stealth ???? and can changing to the right setting repair the lost on/off key in my wifi ????

soft reset...
usually the Wifi Dispears after you connected to ActiveSyc(or Mobile Device Center) becouse on default ActiveSyc disconnects any data connections on the device(including disabling Wifi card) and therefore it does not show up.
when i was still on wm5, most of the time the wifi button did not come back up. i would usually have to play with the ui somehow to get it back but it should come up with a soft reset.

lifecheater said:
usually the Wifi Dispears after you connected to ActiveSyc(or Mobile Device Center) becouse on default ActiveSyc disconnects any data connections on the device(including disabling Wifi card) and therefore it does not show up.
when i was still on wm5, most of the time the wifi button did not come back up. i would usually have to play with the ui somehow to get it back but it should come up with a soft reset.
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Sir, i was soft reset - hard reset and uprom but not fix...

well, if it still does not show at all(including fidling with everything you can, and doing everything and anything) then there definatly something wrong and you should send it to repair centers. it could be a wifi chip problem but i really dont know.
you could also try an unnofficial WM6.1 on the device and see if that works...

lifecheater said:
well, if it still does not show at all(including fidling with everything you can, and doing everything and anything) then there definatly something wrong and you should send it to repair centers. it could be a wifi chip problem but i really dont know.
you could also try an unnofficial WM6.1 on the device and see if that works...
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DIDNOT WORK TOO.....

end of the road
abdelrahim said:
DIDNOT WORK TOO.....
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well if the solution i gave you does not work and unnoficial ROM did not work, then it should be sent back to repairs.

lifecheater said:
well, if it still does not show at all(including fidling with everything you can, and doing everything and anything) then there definatly something wrong and you should send it to repair centers. it could be a wifi chip problem but i really dont know.
you could also try an unnofficial WM6.1 on the device and see if that works...
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i have the problem with the Wifi turning on -off from a previous Rom upgrade and this was not fixed by installing wm6 from yuc........in MY STEALTH Wifi utility the wifi is off....and in IP info it says DHCP ENABLED > FALSE...I have tried installing new wifi rgistry , tried soft and hard reset but the wifi is DEAD.....Finally I GAVE UP ......
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i have the problem with the Wifi turning on -off from a previous Rom upgrade and this was not fixed by installing wm6 from yuc........in MY STEALTH Wifi utility the wifi is off....and in IP info it says DHCP ENABLED > FALSE...I have tried installing new wifi rgistry , tried soft and hard reset but the wifi is DEAD.....Finally I GAVE UP ......
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other people are also experiencing problems with the reg fix.
you could try an older version(beta1.2-im still using that version and wifi works strong, like it should).

lifecheater said:
other people are also experiencing problems with the reg fix.
you could try an older version(beta1.2-im still using that version and wifi works strong, like it should).
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I have already tried beta1.1 and 1.2 .....they COULDNOT FIX Wifi problem which has been there after a previous Rom upgrade......thank GOD the bluetooth still works .....

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after downgrading to wm5 from MWG site the Wifi key is back after almost 2 months !!!! but the key is frozen.... pressing turn on wifi doesnot turn it on !!! ANY SUUGESTIONS TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM???

I have noticed that I dont have wifi-init.ink in widows startup folder..... where and how can I find that ????

Some application using data connection frequently

I have noticed that the 3G symbol changes to H frequently and then back again, I am presuming some application/process is using the data connection automatically. I have turned off auto updates in everything I can think of. Is there a way of finding out what is using the data connection.

billu said:
I have noticed that the 3G symbol changes to H frequently and then back again, I am presuming some application/process is using the data connection automatically. I have turned off auto updates in everything I can think of. Is there a way of finding out what is using the data connection.
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If only this big H symbol (the one on left) is changing - there is nothing to worry about, it`s normal. It means you found better coverage
3G - 2.45 Mbit/s to 3.1 Mbit/s
H (HSDPA) - (1.8 3.6 and 7.2) Mbit/s but mostly you will get 3.6 or 7.2 Mbit/s
If the small one on the right (next to bars with range) appears, it means that data connection turned itself ON.
Now you have to find out which application is doing this.
Kris

kregowski said:
If only this big H symbol (the one on left) is changing - there is nothing to worry about, it`s normal. It means you found better coverage
3G - 2.45 Mbit/s to 3.1 Mbit/s
H (HSDPA) - (1.8 3.6 and 7.2) Mbit/s but mostly you will get 3.6 or 7.2 Mbit/s
If the small one on the right (next to bars with range) appears, it means that data connection turned itself ON.
Now you have to find out which application is doing this.
Kris
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It changes to H for a few seconds and then reverts back to 3G. I have installed SPB wireless monitor and found that its the system which keeps accessing the data connection. The thing is this only happens when the data connection is active, i.e. if I disconnect the data connection whatever it is, does not re-connect.

No one else seeing this?

I noticed this happening all the time. I could go to bed and the next morning I would check and my connections would be active for 10 hours or so.
So I installed Bandswitch the freeware one.
And i just update everything manually. Bandswitch shuts down idle connections after a set period of time..
Hope this helps....

I started a thread about this too...
Coincidence??
my data has been trying to connect since yesterday but because i have mad an "Offline" profile in my connections i keep getting a dismiss dialog.
Just as a matter of interest did you install anything recently?

shagster69 said:
Coincidence??
my data has been trying to connect since yesterday but because i have mad an "Offline" profile in my connections i keep getting a dismiss dialog.
Just as a matter of interest did you install anything recently?
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I have installed many applications but I have had these on many other WM phones e.g touch pro 2, HD etc and they never did what I am seeing.
There are 2 main clues:
1) Whatever it is that is accessing the data doesn't reconnect if the data connection is closed. Only if the connection is active then it is accessed.
2) SPB wireless monitor reports the culprit as "system" and not any application that I have installed. This is the first time I have had a phone running WM 6.5. Wondered if there is some component of this operating system which need to regularly access data?
This is a snapshot of the SPB wireless monitor from their own website (not my device) but the system component can be seen.
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