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[Q] Is the RAZR M SIM Unlocked From The Factory?

Most of Verizon's world phones are SIM locked, and you either have to get it unlocked, or use Verizon's SIM card. I figured it would be the same for this phone. However, I read somewhere that the pre-release version is unlocked out of the box. I'm guessing by pre-release, they mean the one that was given to the press at the launch event.
Anybody know if all the Ms are unlocked from the factory? Specifically, what I'm after is to find out if they can be used on AT&T or T-Mobile in the US without any modifications. The earlier Motorola world phones needed modifications to do so, but it's worth a shot to see if this maybe is different. Just being generally unlocked saves a step, too, but if someone can provide the information on whether it is unlocked for US bands, that would be great.

I can confirm it does not allow calls using a US T-Mobile SIM. It does show the voicemail indicator and my t-mo # correctly in settings, but I think its just reading that from the SIM card itself.
Doesn't verizon unlock after 90 days good standing? I know for iPhones they do. Might be something I'll try in a few months.
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olm3ca said:
I can confirm it does not allow calls using a US T-Mobile SIM. It does show the voicemail indicator and my t-mo # correctly in settings, but I think its just reading that from the SIM card itself.
Doesn't verizon unlock after 90 days good standing? I know for iPhones they do. Might be something I'll try in a few months.
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Thanks for the info! I'm not sure if that is the typical behavior or not. I forgot what my Droid Pro did before I unlocked it.
Verizon usually does unlock it if you've been a customer for more than 90 days. They still won't let you use the US networks, though...just international ones. Hopefully P3Droid and his team will work their magic on this one. I know he already ordered a Dev Edition of the M.

freak4dell said:
Thanks for the info! I'm not sure if that is the typical behavior or not. I forgot what my Droid Pro did before I unlocked it.
Verizon usually does unlock it if you've been a customer for more than 90 days. They still won't let you use the US networks, though...just international ones. Hopefully P3Droid and his team will work their magic on this one. I know he already ordered a Dev Edition of the M.
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It sounds like it is SIM unlocked since it's reading from the T-Mobile SIM at all. I believe all the Razr & Razr Maxx officially come as SIM unlocked from the factory, so I would guess the Razr M would too. It still has the network block for US GSM networks, but that's different than the SIM card.
I'm interested in getting the Razr M to replace my Droid Pro, so if anyone could confirm, that would be great!

celticjon said:
It sounds like it is SIM unlocked since it's reading from the T-Mobile SIM at all. I believe all the Razr & Razr Maxx officially come as SIM unlocked from the factory, so I would guess the Razr M would too. It still has the network block for US GSM networks, but that's different than the SIM card.
I'm interested in getting the Razr M to replace my Droid Pro, so if anyone could confirm, that would be great!
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That could be, and maybe it's just Verizon's policy these days, considering the iPhone 5 ships unlocked (and the iP5 has no US band lock, either). Hopefully someone can try it with an international SIM when they travel and let us know.

Now that a few people have gotten the Dev version in their hands, any differences on that one as far as the SIM unlock goes? Since Verizon doesn't sell that directly, maybe Motorola left the US bands unlocked on that one.

Is The RAZR M SIM Unlocked From The Factory?
Is there anything new on this?

Sim is Unlocked, it will read any sim but US-Sim seem to be Radio Locked.
Which u can bypass by an Aussie Radio. And then u can use it on T-Mobile or AT&T
I will be able to verify in 1-2 weeks if it will work on an International Sim with out any modification.
Sending my GirlFriend her Razr M to Germany so she can test it on O2.

Yeah, it's unlocked, and you can use it on T-Mobile and AT&T with the Australian radio, but nobody has been able to consistently get 3G on either carrier.

Does anybody test the phone outside of the U.S?

Any word?
Germanese said:
Sim is Unlocked, it will read any sim but US-Sim seem to be Radio Locked.
Which u can bypass by an Aussie Radio. And then u can use it on T-Mobile or AT&T
I will be able to verify in 1-2 weeks if it will work on an International Sim with out any modification.
Sending my GirlFriend her Razr M to Germany so she can test it on O2.
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Any word from Germany?

Works fine in Germany 3G is active but we cant get passed the .5mb/s mark in speed but she is also in a rural area at the moment for Christmas.
Where O2 doesn't have alot of towers.

Yes sim is factory unlocked. 4G works in Mexico
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I can confim that the razr m is sim unlocked for international use out of the box no modification required. My sister uses one on koodo mobile (canadian service provider) with her koodo sim. When she comes back to the states she pops in the american sim it came with and uses on my verizon plan.
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areayetee said:
I can confim that the razr m is sim unlocked for international use out of the box no modification required. My sister uses one on koodo mobile (canadian service provider) with her koodo sim. When she comes back to the states she pops in the american sim it came with and uses on my verizon plan.
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+1
Works great on Rogers here in Canada minus the lte of course.

does everything work?
Does call, text, picture messaging, and web all work internationally?

liongood9 said:
Does call, text, picture messaging, and web all work internationally?
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Yes, EVERYTHING works.

Did anyone use it on 900 and 1800 radio?
TIA.

sasikanth8 said:
Did anyone use it on 900 and 1800 radio?
TIA.
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I can confirm that everything works internationally, tried in Italy and Singapore. Also, the network in italy was on the 900 frequency band, so that works for sure, haven't tested 1800 but I don't see why it wouldn't work.

Does it mean that all models of razr m are factory unlocked? I know there are 3 versions of razr m XT905, XT907 and XT902. Just wonder if I can unlock my XT902.

Verizon Moto G on Page Plus

As many of you are probably aware, Page Plus has better prices than Verizon prepaid and has the same coverage. Verizon forbids the activation of prepaid devices on Page Plus until they've been used on a prepaid account for six months. I just wanted to make a post to let everyone know that it IS possible to get a prepaid phone on Page Plus. You just have to use a dealer site that doesn't check the ESN. Two examples are www.exclusivecellular.com and www.remotesquad.com. I have used both to activate iPhones and prepaid phones, both of which are not possible to activate on the Page Plus website. The remotesquad one allows free ESN swaps as well as activations. If you have bought the Verizon Moto G, please try to activate it on Page Plus. I really want to know whether or not it'll work. I'm 99% sure it will, but who knows... Verizon might have a new trick up their sleeve. It won't cost anything to activate... In fact, all Page Plus accounts come with $2 free balance.

Nope

Lay295 said:
Nope
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Oh no... I've been misleading people on reddit. I was so sure this would work. Have you tried calling Page Plus and asking them to activate it? Who knows... They might do it if you don't tell them what kind of phone it is. Also please try activating a page plus account using a different phone and then using remotesquad to swap your ESN to the Moto G. If you don't have another phone, just type a random 11 or 18 digit number. Should work.

I tried this on a motox and it didn't work . Unfortunately I don't think we will get to put PagePlus on them, Verizon is in the business for making money.
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Verizon wasn't even activating the phone prior to today. Today was the actual release date. Has anyone tried today at all? If not i'll post my findings after I return from my purchase.

You can if you buy it at $199.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2604694

The phone won't activate on PP. Came back with the same error as posted previously.
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Same thing on Straight Talk BYOP. Nope.

This is a bummer. I was going to try to get my hands on a $100 Moto G for this reason. I'm a new PP dealer, and would like to try to get this working. Has anyone tried using a donor?

phonephixer said:
The phone won't activate on PP. Came back with the same error as posted previously.
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So if you get the unlocked version will it work on PP just fine? I was gonna buy my mother in law one since he is on their network already.

lemonfugu said:
So if you get the unlocked version will it work on PP just fine? I was gonna buy my mother in law one since he is on their network already.
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What "unlocked version"? Is there a CDMA one? Where can you get it?

Has anyone made any progress with the G made for other carriers like Boost or U.S. Cellular? There should be fewer obstacles in getting one activated on Page Plus since they are not blocked by ESN the way the Verizon ones are

Is that really the case? I thought verizon won't activate any esn that isn't already listed in its system. Effectively the only option is doing what others are currently doing with the blocked 4g phones on page plus. That requires quite a bit of work in my opinion, and theoretically can be done just as well with the verizon moto g's that are currently blacklisted.

MrSmileyJr said:
Is that really the case? I thought verizon won't activate any esn that isn't already listed in its system.
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I had a Sprint iPhone on Page Plus. The only ESN's that are blocked by Page Plus are ones that are from prepaid phones or ones that were reported stolen

ADonovan said:
Has anyone made any progress with the G made for other carriers like Boost or U.S. Cellular? There should be fewer obstacles in getting one activated on Page Plus since they are not blocked by ESN the way the Verizon ones are
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ADonovan said:
I had a Sprint iPhone on Page Plus. The only ESN's that are blocked by Page Plus are ones that are from prepaid phones or ones that were reported stolen
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Pageplus blocks all 4g phones too. If I understood correctly, the sprint iphones require you to jailbreak, and then pretend you're on sprint while roaming on verizon. This means that its not a simple thing to activate like with a verizon phone. Likewise, I don't know if this is possible with a non-sprint phone, nor if it is possible to get the moto g to do this type of trick either. see here: http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php/1735603-sprint-phone-on-pageplus?p=14567637#post14567637
I would be glad to hear otherwise nevertheless

Boost Model works just fine flashed to Page Plus
Viper

Viper32 said:
Boost Model works just fine flashed to Page Plus
Viper
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can you post instructions please? thanks!

Google Play Editon. Sorry for the late reply.

Page plus is CDMA. Unlocked version is GSM. Won't work.
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Yes it should!
lemonfugu said:
So if you get the unlocked version will it work on PP just fine? I was gonna buy my mother in law one since he is on their network already.
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Yes sir just make sure you buy a unlocked us gsm or unlocked international gsm for europe and asia.

Can you activate a verizon s5 on tmobile?

the title says it, i kind of want to do this, maybe not for that long, most likely it would be temporary.

jrpjordan24 said:
the title says it, i kind of want to do this, maybe not for that long, most likely it would be temporary.
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No. Google it and you will find that Verizon and tmobile networks are different. Verizon is CDMA and tmobile is GSM. Or something like that.
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Mr. bird said:
No. Google it and you will find that Verizon and tmobile networks are different. Verizon is CDMA and tmobile is GSM. Or something like that.
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I use Verizon phone on T-Mobile network. Verizon S5 has sim slot for sim cards. All Verizon 4LTE phones, GSM unlock.

B767 said:
I use Verizon phone on T-Mobile network. Verizon S5 has sim slot for sim cards. All Verizon 4LTE phones, GSM unlock.
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This is true.
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U can use it but lte will not work tmobile is not compatible with Verizon lte
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deron37129 said:
U can use it but lte will not work tmobile is not compatible with Verizon lte
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It not true. I confirm LTE works fine with out any problem.

If you are able to use other carrier phones and just pop a Sim card in and your good to go, then in the future can I buy a variant of the phone I want with an unlocked bootloader and be rooted with no issues?
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Odin80 said:
If you are able to use other carrier phones and just pop a Sim card in and your good to go, then in the future can I buy a variant of the phone I want with an unlocked bootloader and be rooted with no issues?
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Nope, i'm actually surprised that Verizon didn't lock the phone if what the above poster said is true. The bootloader isn't what you need unlocked to move from carrier to carrier. Phones with sim cards are generally GSM and phones without sim cards are generally CDMA. GSM phones are normally locked to the specific carrier that you bought it from. CDMA phones are not usually taken on any other networks unless you are moving to a network like cricket which takes what it can get

vinc3stylez said:
Nope, i'm actually surprised that Verizon didn't lock the phone if what the above poster said is true.
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As he said, Verizon 4G phones are all sim unlocked. Phones like this and the Note 2, which I just came from, have the CDMA and GSM bands. It is just as simple as putting in the SIM, change the APN, and be working. That said, the Note 2 could not get a 4G GSM signal only HSPA+ because of the bands it supported. I haven't checked the S5 yet, but I do believe I have seen that it does support some of the 4G GSM bands.
You are right about the CDMA part which is why it wouldn't be wise to buy, say a Sprint S5, and then come to Verizon because it does not support any CDMA bands.

so you guys can confirm that it is sim unlocked?

They always are. All Verizon Wireless 4G phones are SIM unlocked.

jcollier said:
As he said, Verizon 4G phones are all sim unlocked. Phones like this and the Note 2, which I just came from, have the CDMA and GSM bands. It is just as simple as putting in the SIM, change the APN, and be working. That said, the Note 2 could not get a 4G GSM signal only HSPA+ because of the bands it supported. I haven't checked the S5 yet, but I do believe I have seen that it does support some of the 4G GSM bands.
You are right about the CDMA part which is why it wouldn't be wise to buy, say a Sprint S5, and then come to Verizon because it does not support any CDMA bands.
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Bare with me if this seems like an absolutely stupid question.
When I travel I have a GSM HTC One S that I pop in a pre-paid SIM to use (say, 3 in Ireland). I believe this was a T-Mobile phone previously that I carrier unlocked. If I have a Verizon CDMA S5, I could pop in the 3 SIM and be able to use it (maybe not 4G depending on the bands) provided I updated the APN information?

hEaTLoE said:
Bare with me if this seems like an absolutely stupid question.
When I travel I have a GSM HTC One S that I pop in a pre-paid SIM to use (say, 3 in Ireland). I believe this was a T-Mobile phone previously that I carrier unlocked. If I have a Verizon CDMA S5, I could pop in the 3 SIM and be able to use it (maybe not 4G depending on the bands) provided I updated the APN information?
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Correct. I used my Note 2 in multiple European countries, lastly in Rome where it was stolen. Take your Verizon sim out at the airport, put the new one in, change APN, and voila.
(carriers I have tested with - Orange, Vodafone(multiple places), 3, Rogers in Canada)
Your S5 on Verizon isn't solely CDMA. If you look up any website with the bands it supports, you will see the GSM bands.

jcollier said:
Correct. I used my Note 2 in multiple European countries, lastly in Rome where it was stolen. Take your Verizon sim out at the airport, put the new one in, change APN, and voila.
(carriers I have tested with - Orange, Vodafone(multiple places), 3, Rogers in Canada)
Your S5 on Verizon isn't solely CDMA. If you look up any website with the bands it supports, you will see the GSM bands.
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That's fantastic. Thank you!

hEaTLoE said:
That's fantastic. Thank you!
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More than welcome. And here is the link so you can check the bands when looking at foreign carriers.
http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=4408
And even without 4G, it is still plenty fast enough to use the internet, google maps, and stream music.

What if you canceled your service and went to tmobile. Would it still work?
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jcollier said:
More than welcome. And here is the link so you can check the bands when looking at foreign carriers.
http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=4408
And even without 4G, it is still plenty fast enough to use the internet, google maps, and stream music.
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Looks like the One S and S5 share the same GSM bands... I'll definitely have to try it out. I know my 3 SIM works here in the US too on the phone. Thanks again, really helpful.

ironfisted said:
What if you canceled your service and went to tmobile. Would it still work?
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Yes, or Straight Talk, or whomever.

jcollier said:
Yes, or Straight Talk, or whomever.
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But Straight Talk don't have LTE.

B767 said:
But Straight Talk don't have LTE.
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That wasn't the question. The question, as posed, was would it work? It absolutely will work with speeds up to HSPA+.

ATT SIM

Curious if anyone has thrown an ATT SIM in it. I realize the Force will be the ATT (international variant).
Was thinking of picking one up. Seems to have most of the bands.

jmill75 said:
Curious if anyone has thrown an ATT SIM in it. I realize the Force will be the ATT (international variant).
Was thinking of picking one up. Seems to have most of the bands.
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I purchased the Moto X Force from UK and it works without flaws on AT&T

acole10000 said:
I purchased the Moto X Force from UK and it works without flaws on AT&T
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How much did you pay all together with shipment? Any customs? And how long did it take to arrive to USA?

I got mine directly from Motorola I put ATT pay as you go sim card and everything is working smoothly!!!

Where is the selection for at&t? When making it I'm not seeing and the site is saying shipping must be inside the UK

sabindaman said:
Where is the selection for at&t? When making it I'm not seeing and the site is saying shipping must be inside the UK
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what he said

effrem123 said:
I got mine directly from Motorola I put ATT pay as you go sim card and everything is working smoothly!!!
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Do all the bands work?
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Verizon E4 new System Update NDQS26.69-64-11-5

This update has been nagging me for a week now. Any experience after taking this update? My Verizon E4 is unlocked and using with non-Verizon GSM carrier.

nookin said:
This update has been nagging me for a week now. Any experience after taking this update? My Verizon E4 is unlocked and using with non-Verizon GSM carrier.
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Spouse took update on an unlocked XT1767 a few days back; no issues. But that pup is associated with Verizon post paid service via sim ported from another device on the same account. Can't speak to GSM implications but should continue to work unless VZW soft-disabled selected bands.

It is working good as same as before I took the OTA on T-Mobile.

nookin said:
This update has been nagging me for a week now. Any experience after taking this update? My Verizon E4 is unlocked and using with non-Verizon GSM carrier.
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Verizon phones are usually carrier unlocked. Although this is about to change due to fraudulent purchases.
https://arstechnica.com/information...s-for-60-days-to-prevent-black-market-resale/

madbat99 said:
Verizon phones are usually carrier unlocked. Although this is about to change due to fraudulent purchases.
https://arstechnica.com/information...s-for-60-days-to-prevent-black-market-resale/
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Well, my E4 was bought prepaid and it was locked to Verizon. I have to pay someone on eBay to have it unlocked. Newer Verizon E4 cannot even be unlocked that way. So I think is entirely to do with postpaid phones. Prepaid phones from Verizon are locked regardless.

nookin said:
Well, my E4 was bought prepaid and it was locked to Verizon. I have to pay someone on eBay to have it unlocked. Newer Verizon E4 cannot even be unlocked that way. So I think is entirely to do with postpaid phones. Prepaid phones from Verizon are locked regardless.
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Yeah prepaid is a different beast for sure.