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Went through two primes

I had to return two Prime's. One had a busted vibrator and two stuck pixels that i couldn't fix after 36 hours of a pixel fixing program. The other had a screen defect similar to if you placed a white led Christmas light directly behind a sheet of white paper. They both ran like champs but to hell with the supposed super awesome better than ever super ips+ screens.
I have given up on the prime. I am going to sell the dock on ebay for a profit.
Could anyone who has used a Prime please tell me how well it runs and works vs your Original Transformer? I have read about the reasons why people may or may not want to upgrade to the Prime with the T700 coming soon or whatever but I really want to hear from people who have first hand experience on both. The lack of complaints here in general has me optimistic.
Am I going to miss the thinness and feel of the Prime? Does the OG feel as nice in the hand? Does the OG Transformer feel as smooth swiping screens and browsing the net? I don't game much...other than ROMS and Angry Birds so I don't care about that as much.
I have read about the dock drain issue and have to assume if I buy new, which I will, that this will not be an issue. Please let me know if I am wrong about that.
Also, have there been many issues with the screen? If I buy this and the screen is defective I am not sure it will make it back to the store. I will probably throw it at a wall and have a heart attack. I don't care about light bleed around the edges on a black screen. I have been used to light bleed on LCD screens since before I can remember....it simply doesn't bother me since I have never seen a display without at least a little other than a phone I have with a Super Amoled screen.
Is going from the Transformer to the Prime like the cell phone world as far as specs vs actually real world difference? (Meaning not much difference in performance but you get to say you have the latest) I have a single core 800mhz phone and it runs as good or better than any new phone on the market. The specs would disagree but my use of it proves to me that specs on paper mean nothing. In other words does Tegra 3 really translate into real world performance gains other than on benchmarks or graphically intensive games? The only experience I have on ICS or HC is with the Prime so I am not sure if Tegra 3 vs Tegra 2 will make a difference in this case.
Is there anything super good about the Prime that you just think would be a deal breaker giving up for the Transformer?
The Prime was my first tablet and I absolutely loved it. Almost kept the second one but my wife talked me out of it. This whole experience has left a very rotten taste in my mouth as far as Asus is concerned but I just absolutely love the combination of the tablet with the dock...it's just so elegant.
Thanks guys. I know you have probably seen posts like this a lot lately but I really am getting frustrated as I am throwing my wallet at ASUS and they seem to want me to keep my money.
If this post is tl;dr please just keep your comments to yourself.

Wrong section. Need to visit the transformer prime section.
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Why not ipad2?

Visiting the forum of a new product you are asking about compared to an old one will pretty much always result in the newer being better. I wanted advice from people who stuck with the old and had experience with the new.

goodintentions said:
Why not ipad2?
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Real classy, ass. Were your other 1,900+ posts just as informative?

Goodintentions serves as a great role model for everything NOT to become while being an Android user..you realize how abrasive you are throwing up 'buy an ipad2' everywhere? I'm about to leave the site completely for fear that there are others like you here. You are everything that is wrong with Android fanbois.
Heck, you even FOLLOWED me to a YOUTUBE video to post that crap! I hope google is paying your for ad-time, either that or your mother must have been murdered by an Ipad..or you are just a jerk who can't keep negative comments to themselves. Either way, I love my TF101, and wouldn't trade it for a prime (too many issues). So to the OP, take that how you want it
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Evo_Shift said:
Real classy, ass. Were your other 1,900+ posts just as informative?
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LMAO EXACTLY! Someone else sees this BS..

I have not had a problem with my transformer at all. But I am no power user either. I can tell you the graphics are good and it can only get better when ics hits.
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There's been so much bickering going on around these parts that it's getting really difficult to find relevant information. Here are my thoughts, having owned both.
Asus has paid attention to many of the little details that needed improvement on the TF101. To name a few:
-Build quality: TF101 would creak (both the tablet and dock) if you torque it a bit.
-Camera: LED flash added. I don't really use it much, but it's nice to have.
-USB cable: old one received a lot of complaints for being too short; new one is 2 feet longer.
-Docking mechanism is much snappier, and now has two battery indicators.
-Battery life is vastly better when tablet is sitting at idle.
-Speakers sound much better on the TF201. TF101 lacks depth just like any other phone or tablet.
-Haptic feedback added: TF101 doesn't vibrate at all.
Increased processing power is easily apparent in graphics and video playback. I have video files that simply will not play on the TF101 but play just fine on the TF201. Also, apps start up and load faster so you'll see a difference there.
However, I have noticed that some TegraZone games actually play smoother on the TF101. The problem is, some developers have been way too ambitious with Tegra 3 and while the graphics look much nicer, they actually end up becoming more choppy. Zen Pinball THD is a good example of this.
The thinner profile definitely appeals to me more and is a bit lighter. One drawback I've noticed with the dock being so slim, though, is that the key stroke is shallower than before. I prefer the TF101 keyboard for typing, although it's not a huge deal.
I thought the TF101 was a great tablet until the day I got the TF201. Now, I only see it as a good tablet. It's unfortunate you've had some issues with QC, but as I recall the early TF101 units also had a fair share of people that were not satisfied. Anyway, having used both, there's really no way I can go back to the OG Transformer, and I don't see enough change in the upcoming T700 to warrant another upgrade (and another round of waiting only to be frustrated by Asus not being able to supply enough). I'd say stick with the TF201 and hope you get a good unit like mine.

Actually, I'm serious this time. Might I also recommend the galaxy tab 10.1. The point is there seems to be a lot of reports about problems with a lot of the prime devices. Asus just came out with the TF700T or something like that that seems to fix all the design flaws. To me, there's no better tell tale (or is it tale tell?) sign of them recognizing and quietly admitting there was a design flaw.
If the OP went through 2 prime devices and happened to have found 2 defective products, why should we encourage him to get a 3rd prime? This isn't an apple fanboy website where we ignore all the flaws of a device.
To the OP, the TF101 might not be the latest and greatest, but it certainly one of the best tablets out there. For everyday purposes, it does everything you need plus more. If you don't want to get an ipad, try the TF101 and see if you like it.
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Lani Kai said:
There's been so much bickering going on around these parts that it's getting really difficult to find relevant information. Here are my thoughts, having owned both.
Asus has paid attention to many of the little details that needed improvement on the TF101. To name a few:
-Build quality: TF101 would creak (both the tablet and dock) if you torque it a bit.
-Camera: LED flash added. I don't really use it much, but it's nice to have.
-USB cable: old one received a lot of complaints for being too short; new one is 2 feet longer.
-Docking mechanism is much snappier, and now has two battery indicators.
-Battery life is vastly better when tablet is sitting at idle.
-Speakers sound much better on the TF201. TF101 lacks depth just like any other phone or tablet.
-Haptic feedback added: TF101 doesn't vibrate at all.
Increased processing power is easily apparent in graphics and video playback. I have video files that simply will not play on the TF101 but play just fine on the TF201. Also, apps start up and load faster so you'll see a difference there.
However, I have noticed that some TegraZone games actually play smoother on the TF101. The problem is, some developers have been way too ambitious with Tegra 3 and while the graphics look much nicer, they actually end up becoming more choppy. Zen Pinball THD is a good example of this.
The thinner profile definitely appeals to me more and is a bit lighter. One drawback I've noticed with the dock being so slim, though, is that the key stroke is shallower than before. I prefer the TF101 keyboard for typing, although it's not a huge deal.
I thought the TF101 was a great tablet until the day I got the TF201. Now, I only see it as a good tablet. It's unfortunate you've had some issues with QC, but as I recall the early TF101 units also had a fair share of people that were not satisfied. Anyway, having used both, there's really no way I can go back to the OG Transformer, and I don't see enough change in the upcoming T700 to warrant another upgrade (and another round of waiting only to be frustrated by Asus not being able to supply enough). I'd say stick with the TF201 and hope you get a good unit like mine.
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Do you have gps and wifi issue? From what I've read, half of the prime owners report gps and wifi issue while the other half report not having any problem at all with both these features. I'm having trouble telling just how many units out there have these problems because of the all metal back.
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luna_c666 said:
Goodintentions serves as a great role model for everything NOT to become while being an Android user..you realize how abrasive you are throwing up 'buy an ipad2' everywhere? I'm about to leave the site completely for fear that there are others like you here. You are everything that is wrong with Android fanbois.
Heck, you even FOLLOWED me to a YOUTUBE video to post that crap! I hope google is paying your for ad-time, either that or your mother must have been murdered by an Ipad..or you are just a jerk who can't keep negative comments to themselves. Either way, I love my TF101, and wouldn't trade it for a prime (too many issues). So to the OP, take that how you want it
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What youtube video?
Look, I admit that I'm a jerk. I just have a problem with whiners. I don't mind legit complaints about real honest to god issues. If you've been helping people with tech support for as long as I have, you'd get sick of whiners as well.
If you have the energy, complain about legit issues. I kid you not, I've seen someone complain that an all metal back tablet is too cold to the hands and so the end of the world is coming or some other nonsense. I simply don't find the same level of whining from the apple world. I don't own anything apple except the ipod I got as a gift. But apple users seem to be a happier bunch of people than everyone else. At least they don't constantly whine. Heck, apple put a phone OS on the ipad and apple users praised. But god forbids if an android tablet runs on a 2.2 or 2.3 version.

Dude, what is the damn difference between a faulty GPS and a faulty screen? And the video that I commented on a few days ago about the guy with ICS when I pointed out his light bleeds like my first TF, although not as severely.
A creak in your hands is a legit complaint, but a faulty screen isn't? Wow you have a way of picking and choosing what problems are legit and which are just 'whiner' problems..devoid of all logic. I'd say light bleed is a MUCH worse issue than creaking in your hands..it afterall affects the visability of the screen.
Apparently though you've made your mind up a long time ago to simply be disrespectful to anyone who complains about an issue that you are complacent about.

luna_c666 said:
Dude, what is the damn difference between a faulty GPS and a faulty screen? And the video that I commented on a few days ago about the guy with ICS when I pointed out his light bleeds like my first TF, although not as severely.
A creak in your hands is a legit complaint, but a faulty screen isn't? Wow you have a way of picking and choosing what problems are legit and which are just 'whiner' problems..devoid of all logic. I'd say light bleed is a MUCH worse issue than creaking in your hands..it afterall affects the visability of the screen.
Apparently though you've made your mind up a long time ago to simply be disrespectful to anyone who complains about an issue that you are complacent about.
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Hahaha, that was you? What a coincidence! I honestly did not follow you anywhere. I was just looking up ICS on youtube.
Look, it's great that you supposedly have a device with no light bleed at all. After dealing with at least a dozen ips devices first hand, I still haven't found one without light bleed yet. Did find some with small and some with large.
You really think light bleeds is that big of a problem? If everyone who has light bleeds decide to keep exchanging units for a new one in hopes of finding one without light bleeds, it would be a disaster.
I'm not saying you shouldn't exchange your unit if you don't like light bleeds. Just be aware that every or almost every ips devices out there have light bleeds.
I'm still snickering over the fact that we found each other on a youtube video and here.

light bleed is a bad problem. all of them are. I had to choose between stuck pixels, dust under the screen or slight light bleed. Or low OC. It is simply too much to hope for a perfect screen+no creak+good overclocking. It sounds reasonable and it should theoretically be expected that all the screens are perfect but they aren't.
I bought 6 transformers from CompUSA in April for this reason. I chose the one with least light bleed and a good vcore(i binned them). I could have had an even better overclocking one but that one had a stuck pixel. And I wasn't going to open both up and swap Tegra boards out lol.

chatch15117 said:
I bought 6 transformers from CompUSA in April for this reason. I chose the one with least light bleed and a good vcore(i binned them). I could have had an even better overclocking one but that one had a stuck pixel. And I wasn't going to open both up and swap Tegra boards out lol.
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Did you just say you spent $2400? Doesn't compusa charge restocking fee?

Does the OG feel as nice in the hand?
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Who can answer this? It's wholly subjective. It feels nice in my hand but how can I compare this to the prime? Are you asking about lightness? Are you asking if it brings on an orgasm? I have no idea. It feels balance, it feels slightly heavy but only because I have a silicone case on it. Without the case it feels MUCH lighter. You can pick up the floor model in person at Best Buy if you want to see for yourself.
Does the OG Transformer feel as smooth swiping screens and browsing the net?
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Again I have no idea how smooth Prime is but my TF101 swipes across screen smoothy. No hiccups, I can swipe left right left right repeatedly on the home screen with no pauses or discernable chunkiness. If there's any added smoothness in Prime I don't think it's due to the hardware but rather the software (ICS), which would be a moot point since we're getting ICS anyway.

goodintentions said:
Did you just say you spent $2400? Doesn't compusa charge restocking fee?
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no i asked them and they said they wouldn't. and didn't. i just had to return it in the 14 day period.

goodintentions said:
Why not ipad2?
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And your s/n is good intentions lol
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He paved the road to hell lol

chatch15117 said:
no i asked them and they said they wouldn't. and didn't. i just had to return it in the 14 day period.
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i guess it was june, not may.
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full refund on the other 5

Interesting article on the new ipad buyers

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-5...have-a-clue-as-to-why-they-need-the-new-ipad/
I've been saying this all along. Most people won't be able to tell the difference between HD display and retina display. And most ipad buyers buy the ipad without knowing exactly why.

oooohhh shiny i want one.....oh wait i have something better lol.

Apple are bieist SOBS, When I was watching the IPad 3 keynote I was literally grinding my teeth as they laughed at Android's small flaws (which wernt exactly flaws) and promoted the iPad flawless in comparison compared. This happens every year and this year is no different to apple's routine to demotivate other companies at every keynote!, plus the biggest WTF moment in the whole keynote was when they compared the tegra 3 to the apple A5 and A5X chips and told the tegra to be the lowest one in all of them!!! I mean come on ! A5 was a dual core and Tegra 3 is a quad core plus the 5th ninja core!! WTF APPLE! #$%& you!

alizafar said:
Apple are bieist SOBS, When I was watching the IPad 3 keynote I was literally grinding my teeth as they laughed at Android's small flaws (which wernt exactly flaws) and promoted the iPad flawless in comparison compared. This happens every year and this year is no different to apple's routine to demotivate other companies at every keynote!, plus the biggest WTF moment in the whole keynote was when they compared the tegra 3 to the apple A5 and A5X chips and told the tegra to be the lowest one in all of them!!! I mean come on ! A5 was a dual core and Tegra 3 is a quad core plus the 5th ninja core!! WTF APPLE! #$%& you!
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Apple clearly are the Kings when it comes to spinning stuff...
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goodintentions said:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-5...have-a-clue-as-to-why-they-need-the-new-ipad/
I've been saying this all along. Most people won't be able to tell the difference between HD display and retina display. And most ipad buyers buy the ipad without knowing exactly why.
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The same can be said about most consumers who buy Android also.

baseballfanz said:
The same can be said about most consumers who buy Android also.
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quoted for truth

baseballfanz said:
The same can be said about most consumers who buy Android also.
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Well you have your hardcore groups in either. I know people with an iPad 1 that didn't feel compelled to buy a 2... but the jump from 1 to 3 warrants a new purchase. I have a Transformer but didn't rush out for the Prime just because. Mine works great and nothing pushes it to a place where it under performs. Same with any make and model.
Its like console sales. Fanboys always say PS3 is selling more or 360 has the lead.... but eventually everyone who wants one will have one and numbers decline. Putting a bigger processor to run a larger screen resolution cancel out the speed benefits of said quad core. Plus native resolution will look good on any screen designed to run that specific resolution. My transformer has a beautiful screen with great clarity but I'm not running 1920x1200... how can that be!!!!
Super high resolutions are best left for the big dogs (ie PCs). 1280x1024 is plenty for a 10" screen. My 26" LCD PC monitor runs at 1920x1200... overkill for a 10" screen.
The downfall is now your forced to stream higher quality video because 480p will look like total crap when stretched to much. That or play them at their native size which will be super tiny = defeats purpose. Plus iOS is faced with ANOTHER resolution change, and we all know apps don't scale in Apple land... so prepare to purchase all your apps and games for their HD+ editions all over again.
Pass.
Asus TF101 ICS 4.0.3

baseballfanz said:
The same can be said about most consumers who buy Android also.
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Um, no.
I went through quite a few tablets (including the ipad) before I settled down to the TF101. And when the prime came out, I didn't go and line up for hours/days to buy one on the first day. I still don't have a prime even though I've been thinking of upgrading. I just haven't found a good reason to upgrade yet.

i think apple needs to realize that a 4:3 resolution is NOT FOR MOVIES, NOT FOR WEBSITES
they should have gone with 2048x1280 for 16:10 res. 2048x1152 is just too thin(16:9, as in dell's SP2309W that is 2048x1152)
still though 1920x1200 is plenty for a 10 inch screen.
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i bet they asked some old people if they could tell the difference between 250ppi and 132ppi
for the record TF101 is at 150ppi. i think 200 is the sweet spot

goodintentions said:
Um, no.
I went through quite a few tablets (including the ipad) before I settled down to the TF101. And when the prime came out, I didn't go and line up for hours/days to buy one on the first day. I still don't have a prime even though I've been thinking of upgrading. I just haven't found a good reason to upgrade yet.
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Um, yes. Maybe not you personally and i never say you. I'm just saying the majority of the consumers out there. you think the majority of Android users will even know what tegra2 is of you ask them. LOL

either ive converted a few people in our area or the Ipad3 just didnt do it for them.........
We took 4 paid pre orders on Thursday (yes only 4) - sold around the same amount again on the
launch day, and maybe a few more than that yesterday......so out of just over 40 we had around half still in stock left,
Think we sold more Ipad2 tbh. We had them side by side with the inpregnated Apple demo photos on the screen and although to some the difference was clear, others didnt see alot in it......infact the majority said "which ones the new one?".......and the ipad2 photos were taken in over cast conditions which showed the ipad3s sunny snaps up better (hmmm)
Ipad2 launch was carnage and was sold out in under half an hour - including main warehouse.
Personally the screen and camera to me are definately much improved.....didnt see much speed difference. Think id be disapointed going from a 2 to a 3 though.

When I was watching the IPad 3 keynote
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The disingenuous part of the speech was where he explains why the iPad will never be beaten by Android tablets: He proceeds to show two apps, for each app he shows the the Android version which looks like a stretched/scaled phone app and then he shows the iOS version which look like HC/ICS tablet apps.
There's several problems with this:
A) If this is his justification for that statement, his justification is a joke.
B) His team handpicked the two worst apps to make his point. It's like claiming you're the strongest in the village and beating up a toddler to prove it. If he wanted to do a fair comparison he should have compared the iOS YouTube app to the Android HC/ICS YouTube app because the YouTube app (and other apps like the G-Mail app) on HC/ICS showcases the new ActionBar and Fragment classes Google introduced from HC onward.
He took the two worst apps that didn't utilize these classes and of course as a result they looked like **** compared to the iOS versions. His justification = a big LOL.
Here's a picture diagram of the YouTube app on both Android and iOS and you'll see they're very similar and if he had shown this it would have deflated his weak punchline. Each fragment (in red/blue) can hold what used to be separate activities so you can see multiple activities on the screen at once on the extra real estate of a tablet screen. The menu is no longer hidden by a hardware or software button. It's proudly displayed on the top as an Options Menu on the ActionBar for crucial options and the rest or what won't fit goes in the overflow menu (green).
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Just wait 'til they announce the iPhone 5...eh...I mean the iPhone 4GS.

Are the ipad 3's suffering from random reboot issues? We can laugh at them all we want, and but at least they have working devices!
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erm we will get a fix for that u know dont be so cynical

EP2008 said:
Are the ipad 3's suffering from random reboot issues? We can laugh at them all we want, and but at least they have working devices!
Sent from my HP Touchpad running ICS
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I'm still puzzled by this random reboot thing that's supposedly plaguing the TF101's out there. None of the 15 TF's we have have random reboots. They all go into deep sleep just fine. I haven't charged my TF since Thursday. It goes into deep sleep almost immediately after the screen is turned off.

goodintentions said:
I'm still puzzled by this random reboot thing that's supposedly plaguing the TF101's out there. None of the 15 TF's we have have random reboots. They all go into deep sleep just fine. I haven't charged my TF since Thursday. It goes into deep sleep almost immediately after the screen is turned off.
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Your 15 tf's might be all good but the FACT is the random reboot problem exist. It's posted all over this and other forums.
Personally i dont suffer from this random reboot but I'm not going to pretend ALL TF are like mine.

EP2008 said:
Are the ipad 3's suffering from random reboot issues? We can laugh at them all we want, and but at least they have working devices!
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Lol! Nice...but very weak dig at Android!
You're right though. Apple devices are perfect . I mean I've never seen my friend shake the thing all over trying to get the screen to "auto " rotate. Or whine when when I plug my Android device in to a computer it just connects and doesn't have to sync every time.
Point is : there are little annoyances on every platform. If you're going to try yo down Android to speak nicely of ipud, at least try harder
PS : aren't you in the wrong forum if you're bah bah bahhhhing for the ipud? Lol
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Asus Transformer all the way.

eminembdg said:
Lol! Nice...but very weak dig at Android!
You're right though. Apple devices are perfect . I mean I've never seen my friend shake the thing all over trying to get the screen to "auto " rotate. Or whine when when I plug my Android device in to a computer it just connects and doesn't have to sync every time.
Point is : there are little annoyances on every platform. If you're going to try yo down Android to speak nicely of ipud, at least try harder
PS : aren't you in the wrong forum if you're bah bah bahhhhing for the ipud? Lol
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I've got three android devices, two ios devices and one webos device. They all have their strengths and weaknesses, but there's no doubt that the ios devices are better built and offer a better user experience.
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why ive caved and decided i WILL get the SGSIII

well it seems everyone is making one of these lately, so i figured i would too.
Why i considered passing
first off, as most of you, i was pretty disappointed after Samsung's release.. i heard about this barrel-less, 1080p HD AMOLED Plus display, a tall order indeed, but with Samsung's track record, and complex to beat Apple in every area, totally believable! the Galaxy Nexus released half a year ago attained 720p, so the obvious next step was 1080p, especially after Samsung made that 2048x1536 iPad3 screen for Apple.
Samsung had announced their A15 processor, and everyone started going quadcore, so while i wasnt making any bets on it, i was hopeful for a quadcore A15, instead we got the quadcore A9.
onto the design, i had no gripes with the look of it, short of it didnt look like the rumored barrel-less look. im pleased with white, but shocked theres no black
Not waterproof =[, i know it was a stretch, but early rumors suggested we may see a waterproof Galaxy phone here. sadly not the case
Lastly, i was hopeful for the Xenon flash
basically, we didnt get this
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Why i Reconsidered
Screen
while its very disappointing, it IS an upgrade from the SGSII, just because of sheer pixel density. 720 pentile > 480 RGB
Sound
the SGSIII will be the sound phone of the year! with an amazing Soundchip with DAC, and one of the first to use APT-X LOSSLESS Bluetooth Audio Streaming! my car's new stereo will be very happy!
Better FASTER Camera
while the MP hasnt changed, the sensor of the camera has, and now with zero shutter lag, finally! the picture i see when i snap a shot will be the picture i get, not whatever happens 1 second after.. cant tell you how many great shots ive missed because of this
LED Notification!
finally we get to have an LED notification. with my SGSII ive had to use BLN, and if you know anything about BLN, youll know it rapes your battery. no more choosing between notification or battery life.
Processor
while ive never felt a lag with my SGSII processor, the one area that can always be improved in browser speed. this is the biggest thing quadcore will affect. and a faster browser means a happier me. it will also increase battery life, since ill be spending less time waiting for pages to load.
Support
while its debatable other phones (which will not be named lol) may pose a serious threat, nobody has support like a Galaxy phone. Devs are all over Galaxy phones, and with people like supercurio spreading his voodoo goodness, and Team Hacksung adding their custom AOSP roms, we have lots to look forward to.
New Software Features
while these will probably be ported to the SGSII, its safe to assume theyll work a lot smoother on the phone theyre intended for.
Battery Life
im not sure if well actually see improved battery life, as my SGSII has the 2000MAh extended battery, but im hopeful new hardware will be less energy demanding.
LED Light
yes i said LED Light, i can tell you my SGSII has the brightest light ive seen on any mobile, and i currently own the HTC One X, and the LED is very weak. i use my phone as a flashlight all the time, and my SGSII reads just over 90 lumens using my LUX Meter. i expect the SGSIII will have the same LED, i doubt it will have weaker, and i am hopeful it will have better. (if anyone knows let me know)
NFC
i dont know if ill ever have a chance to use this in the US, but i LOVE the idea of using my phone as a creditcard. like something out of an anime! (any Eden of the East fans out there?)
Something New
im very happy with my phone, but its nice to treat myself to something new every once in a while. god knows we all could use it. it seems the SGSIII will be an improvement in every area of the SGSII

If that picture was a real SGS III....
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!

Minor correction to the first post - the S3 isn't the first to use Apt-X. The Razr and the One X both have it (as does the iPad3 and several of Apple's computers).

Screen
I don't really think a jump from 720 to 1080 is really going to be that noticable on a smallish screen like what the SGS III will have. I don't tend to look at my device under a magnifying glass. Though on a tablet it would definitely make it sharper.
Camera
Xenon flash would be nice, but it was a bit much to hope for. It will be a step up from my Evo 3D, HTC screwed up the camera on that device. Mp doesn't make a difference if it is a good chip.
Processor
I have my Evo 3D on a custom ROM overclocked and it is running really smoothly. Two extra cores is nice, but the right processor will do right if it is a dual core. I won't be too disappointed if we don't end up with the Exynos here in the states as long as the chip is comparable.
Support
I'm looking forward to an SGS and getting good support from devs. My Evo 3D has been a hassle...
Software
Looking forward to the interesting opportunities with the voice control. I don't care too much for Touchwiz, but there are other launchers that can be used (plus custom ROMs.)
Battery
Newer hardware does tend to be less stressful on the battery even if it is more powerful. I manage my radios well so I'm not too worried, though I am a bit concerned about how the voice control will work with that. I'm not sure if I like the idea of my phone waiting to hear me say Hi Galaxy! because that seems like it might drain the battery.
All in all I'm ready to go up to the Sprint store and tell them to take my money. I was kind of hoping to see a ceramic body, though I am ok with the design they came up with. Looking forward to the AMOLED screen and the decent combination of hardware.

..really hoping our GS3 forums don't get this cluttered with redundant threads when we actually get the phone.
Seriously.. "well everyone else is making these so I will too"..?
With that statement alone it shows you didn't read the rules of XDA, and why your supposed to post in existing threads about the same topic, and how posting multiple threads of the same BS just clutters and makes it harder to find information. Unfortunately there are at least a half dozen threads with the same topic, so you don't have much in the way for excuses or why you made this thread or that this one may be different than the other ones.
*edit* it looks likes the mods are directing all other chat to your other thread. Not sure what makes this one any different but whatever. Just getting sick of scrolling through the general section and seeing a dozen GS3 "what do you think", "this is what I think", "galaxy s3 analysis", "real galaxy s3 analysis"...
sent from my Galaxy SII

^^^Yup, +1. Glad they're joining these threads...
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Coreym said:
..really hoping our GS3 forums don't get this cluttered with redundant threads when we actually get the phone.
Seriously.. "well everyone else is making these so I will too"..?
With that statement alone it shows you didn't read the rules of XDA, and why your supposed to post in existing threads about the same topic, and how posting multiple threads of the same BS just clutters and makes it harder to find information. Unfortunately there are at least a half dozen threads with the same topic, so you don't have much in the way for excuses or why you made this thread or that this one may be different than the other ones.
*edit* it looks likes the mods are directing all other chat to your other thread. Not sure what makes this one any different but whatever. Just getting sick of scrolling through the general section and seeing a dozen GS3 "what do you think", "this is what I think", "galaxy s3 analysis", "real galaxy s3 analysis"...
sent from my Galaxy SII
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didnt actually read your post but skimmed it enough to get the jist..
can i ask, why are you even in the SGS3 section if youre not here to gossip? the phone isnt even out yet, so clearly youre not here to get support. everyone whos here is here because they want to share their personal opinions, chitchat, gossip, convince themself to get the phone, or try and convince themself not to. nobody is here for development, troubleshoot, or get support of any kind, so if seeing other humans interact is offsetting you like it is, i suggest you come back after May, when the phone is actually released. till then well continue to talk about the pentile display, if the camera is any good, is the sgs3 better than the htc one, and whatever the h3ll else we feel like. so you sir can have a nice day, and let us have ours.

My reason is because I will get more re-sale value of my SGS2 now than in 6 months time (Nexus) or 12 months time (SGS4).

soraxd said:
didnt actually read your post but skimmed it enough to get the jist..
can i ask, why are you even in the SGS3 section if youre not here to gossip? the phone isnt even out yet, so clearly youre not here to get support. everyone whos here is here because they want to share their personal opinions, chitchat, gossip, convince themself to get the phone, or try and convince themself not to. nobody is here for development, troubleshoot, or get support of any kind, so if seeing other humans interact is offsetting you like it is, i suggest you come back after May, when the phone is actually released. till then well continue to talk about the pentile display, if the camera is any good, is the sgs3 better than the htc one, and whatever the h3ll else we feel like. so you sir can have a nice day, and let us have ours.
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Um, his concern isn't with chat/gossip/whatever over the phone, he's annoyed with all the individual topics bring created starting out with "why I chose/ordered the sgs3" or "why I hate the sgs3." It's called forum etiquette 101.
The point is... when there are already nearly IDENTICAL topics, post there instead of starting a brand new one just to stay a new topic. Helps to keep the General section somewhat manageable enough to navigate.
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Use the general thread here for general chat.
We dont need everyone writing one of these, can just go in the general thread.
Edit: And report dupe threads, that way they will get cleaned up much faster.

Reviews, Feedback & Opinions on Note 10.1

The idea behind this thread is to have all reviews, opinions and feedback of note users collated under one roof.
This would make things simple for everyone easy to post opinions updates feedback, for those who look upon us before making a purchasing decision easier to find them.
I hope this is not take in a wrong way the whole idea is to get things organize so information is easier to find and not scattered around but not boss around or offend anyone.

I just got my note yesterday and I have to say that it's a pretty amazing and fast piece of tech. I'll come back to edit this review more as I use it (and receive my case so I can use it a little more roughly like I normally do).
So far:
Pros-
Amazingly fast.
No stutters (I had the original Transformer TF101.. which had lags sometimes).
Sound is amazing (why don't other tablets have front speakers?).
Wacom stylus is streets ahead of capacitive crap / sorry adonit jot just doesn't cut it).
Multi-tasking is awesome!
Cons-
S-note is.. underwhelming. (But lecture notes was great!) Seriously wished s-note was better because I kind of like it.
Multi-tasking is limited.. (although we get the Galaxy Note 2's multitasking abilities after we get jb right?)
EDIT:
Just used this for class.. and doodling, amazing! It's like taking notes on paper, without the weight and fuss and ink and ****, and I can copy and paste stuff. Also, I used it in the crapper, and it's amazing for reddit and stuff because it won't crash from loading too many images. But the stylus is freaking fantastic! AHHHh! (BTW, LectureNotes is definitely worth it. I like Papyrus more than it in the beginning because Papyrus was easier to use, but LectureNotes' customizability is waaaaay worth the learning curve.)

This is a general trend because of the aprehensions created by biased reviews people have doubts before purchasing a note but ones they have got one they are happy I have yet to see any one regretting purchasing a note
It is a great devices there is no doubt about it
I do not use S notes so no positive or negative feedback but yes those on JB say there are some improvements on Snote
The multiapps feature is limited and with JB some more apps have been added but again no google native apps have been added but the reason for the limitation is due to the reason that for every app code needs to be added and apps needs to be recompiled the problem is that Samsung cannot control the updates of google apps they are push directly and hence it will be difficult but I think in future as time goes by more and more developers will adapt the feature and so the number of apps with multiview will grow

Different Benchmark scores and comparison with other tablets in market (courtesy engadget)
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The Antutu score for Tab 10.1 is 4772 which almost 60% lower then note

Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 to replace the Brussels Philharmonic orchestra’s paper sheet music
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/11/sa...ls-philharmonic-orchestras-paper-sheet-music/
Please go to the link for more information
But it is great to see that instead of paper samsung note is being used and one of the key reasons being for it unique features.
Something to be proud of if you are a note owner

I am making a compilation of different review threads and posting the links of those over here so its easy for people to find them
All credit goes to the respect members who have posted on those threads!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1839603
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1833169
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1972718
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1975869
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1969897
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1942033
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1847817
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1953910
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1833842
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1838739
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1944870
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1929997
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1847491
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1939397
If any of the thread starters feel I am offending please let me know will delete the link immediately

I still love using my Note 10.1. Its never given me any problems. Its worked well out the box since day one. So much so that I stayed stock and feel no need to root it. Can't wait till we get JB update. I am very tempted to get a Nexus 10 also. Bit I have too many devices as it is. This device performing so well makes it hard to justify getting another android tab. Aside from screen resolution increase and newer/more powerful processor. And HDMI port built onto device..lol

The only improvements that I would make hardware wise, would be screen resolution and more memory. Software changes would be more apps available to be used in multi screen.
Other than that everything else is spot on.

Another victory for Galaxy note 10.1
http://www.designntrend.com/article...ng-galaxy-note-apple-microsoft-surface-rt.htm
Here’s yet another blow for Apple, which is embroiled in a multi-billion dollar battle with Samsung.
Consumer Reports, a magazine that reviews consumer products, recently pitched Samsung Galaxy Note, and not the market-dominating iPad, as the most groundbreaking tablet of 2012.
Based on performance and innovation, the magazine noted that “the 10-inch Galaxy Note adds capabilities that no other tablet, not even the Apple iPad, currently offers. An excellent performer overall, it almost matches the superb battery life of the iPad and adds a memory-card slot that its rival lacks.”
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On the design front too, many reviewers feel that the Galaxy Note scores over the third generation of iPad. For instance, the Apple iPad 3 has an all aluminum back and glass front, which makes the device heavy. On the other hand, the Galaxy Note has gone for a plastic construction, which makes it easy to hold for long hours.
But if its style over substance, the iPad 3 is the best choice as it “looks and feels like the premium option,” according to an IBTimes

samir_a said:
Another victory for Galaxy note 10.1...
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Until the note 10.1 is used as the reference tablet, or reviewed without comparison to other tablets will be the day. Until that day arrive the iPad is still top dog for most.

dhd1802 said:
Until the note 10.1 is used as the reference tablet, or reviewed without comparison to other tablets will be the day. Until that day arrive the iPad is still top dog for most.
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Very true. But it's hard because the iPad has been cemented in people's heads as THE tablet. Honestly, most people I know (who aren't tech people, but aren't "stupid, tech-phobes" just refer to all tablets as "iPads" in the same way people refer to tissue as kleenex. I'm not sure how any tablet can get away with not being compared to the iPad unless Apple bankrupts or keeps getting bad publicity (and still, not that much honestly) for suing everyone for everything.

Its a brand preception which was generated we can say the same for Iphone but yet S3 has over taken it, yes all people are not techsavy but most of them understand a difference between Ipad and Note the only reason they buy an Ipad is because of the hype surrounding it again it is a brand which has generated over time and it is a good product there is no denying that
Overtime like things have changed for Iphone it will change of Ipad because Apple has reached its peak and now it will slide down like Apple Samsung is looking towards reaching its peak and after it enjoys its stay over there someone else will do that.

After using the note 10.1 for 3 months, I feel that if you are looking for a generic tablet for media and content consumption, a tablet like iPad or the nexus 10 will be more suitable for you, with higher resolution screen on paper and either same price or cheaper. However if you're looking for true productivity, multitasking and content creation (taking notes, replacing pen and paper for a student), note 10.1 is definitely the best option. Well if you're reading this you're definitely not a generic user or average consumer so you know what to choose I personally have no regrets buying it as a student. Have not touched a pen or paper for very long and my laptopis collecting slightly more dust than ever.

i used my note for like 1 month , i really loved it so much , good screen res , very good smooth , no lag at all
u can hold ur pen and type what u want , multitasking are very poweful
i can play all games , i can play with photoshop
finally all i can say u will hold tablet that makes u dont need a PC

Best Tablet I Have Ever Used
Coming from the Asus Transformer Prime TF201, I have to say, this tablet is amazing. My prime suffered from WiFi, Bluetooth, gps light bleed, and I/O issues, even with sending it to Asus. This tablet fixes all of that and still adds more. I was worried about the screen being small, but I looked at the specs of my Prime to find out they both have the same resolution. This tablet is fast, sleek, and does everything I wanted in a tablet. I would highly recommend this tablet to anyone who wants a productivity device or creative device.

I had to make the hard decision between the Nexus 10 & the Note 10.1. I watch a lot of videos & I love great looking picture quality. The Nexus 10 was the best choice in that department, but it didn't offer much else to me personally right out of the box. The Note 10.1 on the other hand did (especially since I'm a student). After looking at the reviews, I was kind of down on the screen, but I was quite impressed when I actually saw it in the store. The screen is not top of the line, but it's actually quite good. Coming from a long line of AMOLED products, the colours look fantastic. Highly recommend this for students & those who just want their tablets to do more.

thas5 said:
but I was quite impressed when I actually saw it in the store. The screen is not top of the line, but it's actually quite good. Coming from a long line of AMOLED products, the colours look fantastic. Highly recommend this for students & those who just want their tablets to do more.
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This was my deciding factor(along with the fact I had a newegg gift card). The "reviewers" harp on it for having a 1200 x 800 screen, instead of looking at what it offers. I decided to look at amazon reviews which praised the tablet. I also went into the store to check it out to find the screen really beautiful. I would highly recommend someone go into the store and check out tablets instead of reading paid reviewers.

The reviewers have only one major so called flaw by them to work with thats the display so all they do is use it to critized the note and create an impression that it is a bad peice of hardware what is surprising is that for a so called bad device there is only praises from the actual users

samir_a said:
The reviewers have only one major so called flaw by them to work with thats the display so all they do is use it to critized the note and create an impression that it is a bad peice of hardware what is surprising is that for a so called bad device there is only praises from the actual users
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They have to find something to grab on to make the device seem worse then the iPad. It is amazing what they say sometimes.

My opinion about note 10.1
I have the impression there is two distinct opinions about the note, i don't know why.
Before i buy the note 10.1 i read a lot of reviews from sites and magazines and so on, and most of all don't give me a good impression of the note 10.1. In general it was a regular tablet.
But in other way when reading the opinion of the users, all of them said wonderful things, some of them already use other tablets like Ipad. And the most important was that they talk about things that i didn't read on the reviews.
One of that things was the S-Pen, yes they talk about it, but, just superficial. I use the pen to do almost everything, write mails, documents, notes, internet.
I can edit photos and videos using software that came installed by root, don't need to buy it. I can make art with it (abstract art because my drawings....). I have real multitask.
I use this tablet for working, not just for read, or using the internet, thats the big diference. Everything i do on a computer i do it here, with a litle bit of practice, but I can do it.
About the display, have anyone already put the note 10.1 side by side with a full HD, my laptop is 17" full hd and i didn't found any diference. Perhaps brightness and colors, but even the same display could appaer different on this aspects, but in the pixels I cannot find.
As you can see i like very much my note 10.1 :good:
Sorry my english, its not my mother language

HTC One (M9) Reviews Thread

1st full review is released today and it's not looking good for HTC, will update this thread with more reviews when released.
HTC One M9 Review - Where are the improvements?
-Based on these pictures, and of course many other photos that we have made, we are not impressed by the camera of the M9. In good light it captures more detail than the M8, but sometimes blur on the right. In low light, aggressive noise reduction leads to a lack of detail. A high-end phone that costs a lot of money should we expect better.
-The One M8 was during the test just under 40 degrees. That is palpable, but not uncomfortable. The One M9 was the same load as much as 55.4 degrees. That is a fundamental difference and after the turning of the test was the M9 so hot that it was uncomfortable to hold him.
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-It is obvious that HTC simply exactly the same screen as used in the M8, but that is not the case. For reasons we do not understand is the manufacturer went for another panel that produces noticeably less beautiful picture. For example, the brightness is lower, although the difference is not large. With a maximum brightness of 474cd / m² of M9 screen is fortunately still bright enough to be still visible in the air.
If we look at the contrast ratio of the screen, we see a big difference. Where the M8 a ratio of 1624: 1 makes note, an excellent score for an LCD, the M9 does not exceed 911: 1. That is to see if you like both devices side by side; the image of the M8 look more impressive. Especially in a dark environment can be seen that the black on the M8 is much deeper; the M9 tends a bit more to very dark gray with a blue touch. Look you then even at an oblique angle to the screen, we see clear color shifting, something we expected earlier in cheaper phones.
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Battery is comparable with G3/Lumia 930, screen is worst than M8 according to them...

That review is so bad that I almost want to believe it was a bad unit..
Will wait for a couple more before getting worried

You are funny.
Anandtech said they didnt find the S810 overheating. Some dutch website says a pre release version of the M9 gets hot.
There will be plenty of reviews coming in the next week or so.. lets just wait and see

rkial said:
You are funny.
Anandtech said they didnt find the S810 overheating. Some dutch website says a pre release version of the M9 gets hot.
There will be plenty of reviews coming in the next week or so.. lets just wait and see
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Yes, and Anandtech was using a reference device the size of a tablet, whose size helped with the thermals. We also don't know what else Qualcomm stuffed inside that tablet. There might have been some expensive cooling technology that we don't know of that won't be in the consumer devices.
Hell, that tablet scores a 62k on antutu, when we all know that 810 devices score 50-55k.

Applesexual said:
Yes, and Anandtech was using a reference device the size of a tablet, whose size helped with the thermals. We also don't know what else Qualcomm stuffed inside that tablet. There might have been some expensive cooling technology that we don't know of that won't be in the consumer devices.
Hell, that tablet scores a 62k on antutu, when we all know that 810 devices score 50-55k.
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As for the underlying SoC, it seems that a lot of the concerns with the Snapdragon 810 remain unfounded, as the One M9 was quite smooth even with this non-final build of software. It’s likely that while the Snapdragon 810 SoC itself is without issue, properly tuning all of the controls in Qualcomm’s big.LITTLE implementation is a much more difficult than a standard aSMP solution. Unfortunately, due to the non-final state of the software we are unable to present benchmarks of the device, but we will be sure to do this for the full review of the device. In general use, the phone remained cool and comfortable to use, and it was hard to really tell if the phone got any hotter than the M8 in practice, even in benchmarks. The One M7 is definitely far hotter in comparison due to its 28LP process used on the SoC in comparison.
From their M9 hands on.

amidabuddha said:
Dude no offense, but looking at your forum history I can see that you have signed up a couple of days before the official announcement of S6, spend a good amount of time to praise the greatness of Sammy, flaming severely Apple and HTC, demonstrating quite good amount of in-depth knowledge without providing any sources (except few posts) and using a lot of marketing methods to influense the rest of the readers with your opinion.
IMHO you are paid and your advise should be not taken seriously
Just my two cents, I am sorry if I am too suspicious, but people do all kind of weird stuff in the name of the holy Dollar
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I had the great desire to second this in that thread as well.
Looks like the OP here just like you has participated in marketing discussions only since his signing up in a Development forum isn't it strange? No ROMs, no Kernels discussions, no mods, just plain prasing on great Samsung.
Lol Sammy guys stop this please, we will all see is it worth once the devices get to the shops and the real-life reviews come as @rkial already said

Thread cleaned. This is a Reviews thread, not a bun-fight. Neither is it a vehicle to bash HTC.
Keep it civil and on-topic please or it will disappear for good.

Why is it that everybody that says something negative about the M9 is trolling?? I am the biggest HTC fan and im not liking what im hearing about the M9! Im actually really disappointed because I really do think HTC builds the best phones in the market but the M9 just isnt stacking up too well. Considering the phone is so close to launch, I honestly dont think last minute software tweaks are gonna save it from everything. Do I think it can help some? Yes, but I really dont think HTC would have released test units if the software wasnt semi close to final. Companies know leaks happen so if you know the software is that bad then why risk bad press by releasing test units with buggy software that dont show off the phones potential? I dunno I really hope things turn around but HTC seems to be running out of steam. And before anybody says im "trolling" or a Samsung fanboy or whatever, just know I hate TouchWiz, never owned anything Apple and my last 6 devices have all been HTC outside of the Note 2....

SPreston2001 said:
Why is it that everybody that says something negative about the M9 is trolling?? I am the biggest HTC fan and im not liking what im hearing about the M9! Im actually really disappointed because I really do think HTC builds the best phones in the market but the M9 just isnt stacking up too well. Considering the phone is so close to launch, I honestly dont think last minute software tweaks are gonna save it from everything. Do I think it can help some? Yes, but I really dont think HTC would have released test units if the software wasnt semi close to final. Companies know leaks happen so if you know the software is that bad then why risk bad press by releasing test units with buggy software that dont show off the phones potential? I dunno I really hope things turn around but HTC seems to be running out of steam. And before anybody says im "trolling" or a Samsung fanboy or whatever, just know I hate TouchWiz, never owned anything Apple and my last 6 devices have all been HTC outside of the Note 2....
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Thanks for your great post. Not everyone who's being critical is trolling. I hope people have a more open mind when reading internet comments.
In any case, here are the battery life figures for the M9 since the OP didn't include the charts in his post:

Qualcomm will NOT release a processor they know is this bad and HTC would not release a device if it was this much of a failure.
I got the htc one m8 and loved it even on kit kat was super fast everyday use was perfect but got caught up in the hype of samsung marketing and got the plastic Note 4 have hated it since I got it should i mention Note 4 STILL HASNT GOT LOLLIPOP Just pitiful!!!
I suggest trying the HTC One M9 yourself before making bold statements and your personal use will always be different trying it out is worth the restocking fee.
Dont fall for the samsung marketing samsung can keep their plastic phone with glass and no microsd card slot. 64gb cards these days are only 25$
I'm sure somebody will say they cant follow my post mostly likely a samsung lover....lol

nabzilla1990 said:
Qualcomm will NOT release a processor they know is this bad and HTC would not release a device if it was this much of a failure.
I got the htc one m8 and loved it even on kit kat was super fast everyday use was perfect but got caught up in the hype of samsung marketing and got the plastic Note 4 have hated it since I got it should i mention Note 4 STILL HASNT GOT LOLLIPOP Just pitiful!!!
I suggest trying the HTC One M9 yourself before making bold statements and your personal use will always be different trying it out is worth the restocking fee.
Dont fall for the samsung marketing samsung can keep their plastic phone with glass and no microsd card slot. 64gb cards these days are only 25$
I'm sure somebody will say they cant follow my post mostly likely a samsung lover....lol
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At this point, I'd rather take the Note 4 over the M9.

At this moment I'm more worried about all these devices coming out with the broken Android 5.0. Even Android 5.1 produces memory leak problems on the Nexus 6, and all these radio issues and signal loss regardless of the device and software is something should've never happened under Google's guidance.

"Author of the article on Tweakers here:
Actually, there was a worldwide embargo on reviews today at noon (Amsterdam time), but on Friday HTC contacted everybody and told them they were postponing the lifting of the embargo until Monday next week.
However, there were two sites who didn't really get this email: British PcAdvisor and Dutch blog AndroidPlanet, one of our competitors in the tech scene in Holland. We had an agreement with htc that we would publish if one or more websites broke the embargo, so that's what we did: publish it.
After the fact, HTC contacted PcAdvisor and persuaded them into removing the benchmarks and renaming it a 'hands on', while AndroidPlanet took their whole review offline.
That's when they called us to ask if we got take it offline as well, but we never do that (because our site is so well read and commented on, that a lot of links people shared won't work anymore for instance) and we felt we were not at fault because we made an agreement and stuck to it.
For the record, to the best of my knowledge the lifting of the embargo was postponed because of a boot issue, not because of issues with the processor or battery life.
Somehow, even after we published htc persuaded all the big media to not publish the review, although they must be ready to publish and the other media would have all the right in the world to consider the embargo broken and thus lifted. How htc persuaded all of them, I just don't know.
So yeah, basically htc did **** up an embargo, by resetting the date a few days in advance.
We did not expect the story about the heating problems becoming hot news (pun definitely intended ) in the English speaking world. We are writing in Dutch after all, a language only like 30 million people in the world understand (we always brag about having more unique visitors than there are Dutch speaking people, but that's ofcourse nonsense, because of the subjects on our site readers like technology a lot and probably use 2 or 3 or more devices to visit our site )"
I guess you can't use the "non-final software" excuse now.

Applesexual said:
I guess you can't use the "non-final software" excuse now.
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The phone got delayed for software updates, so yes people could use that "excuse". We get that you dislike HTC and love Samsung but just give it a rest - Adam

Adam182 said:
The phone got delayed for software updates, so yes people could use that "excuse". We get that you dislike HTC and love Samsung but just give it a rest - Adam
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Software can fix dull screen? Nope
Btw no word about RAW, why htc is postponing it perhaps the only thing that could help the camera. Htc is acting like an amateur company this year I can't recognise them anymore
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Yes, non-final software is still a possibility because the review was still done on a phone running pre-final software. You can't deny the possibility that HTC is working on camera post-processing and other software bugs now. Plus, even during MWC, HTC employees continued to tell us that the phone's software was indeed not finalised, so there's that.
P.S. Tbh, your little story was interesting to read, but it didn't suggest anything about "non-final software" at all. It was simply an illogical conclusion

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"Author of the article on Tweakers here:
Actually, there was a worldwide embargo on reviews today at noon (Amsterdam time), but on Friday HTC contacted everybody and told them they were postponing the lifting of the embargo until Monday next week.
However, there were two sites who didn't really get this email: British PcAdvisor and Dutch blog AndroidPlanet, one of our competitors in the tech scene in Holland. We had an agreement with htc that we would publish if one or more websites broke the embargo, so that's what we did: publish it.
After the fact, HTC contacted PcAdvisor and persuaded them into removing the benchmarks and renaming it a 'hands on', while AndroidPlanet took their whole review offline.
That's when they called us to ask if we got take it offline as well, but we never do that (because our site is so well read and commented on, that a lot of links people shared won't work anymore for instance) and we felt we were not at fault because we made an agreement and stuck to it.
For the record, to the best of my knowledge the lifting of the embargo was postponed because of a boot issue, not because of issues with the processor or battery life.
Somehow, even after we published htc persuaded all the big media to not publish the review, although they must be ready to publish and the other media would have all the right in the world to consider the embargo broken and thus lifted. How htc persuaded all of them, I just don't know.
So yeah, basically htc did **** up an embargo, by resetting the date a few days in advance.
We did not expect the story about the heating problems becoming hot news (pun definitely intended ) in the English speaking world. We are writing in Dutch after all, a language only like 30 million people in the world understand (we always brag about having more unique visitors than there are Dutch speaking people, but that's ofcourse nonsense, because of the subjects on our site readers like technology a lot and probably use 2 or 3 or more devices to visit our site )"
I guess you can't use the "non-final software" excuse now.
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Did you even read what you posted? It didn't mention their unit having final software or even being a non preproduction unit. You're trolling way too hard. Let the phone get released, then if it has issues you can come back out from under your bridge.
You could also just not get an m9.

Unfortunately where you se some smoke, usually, there is fire.
Lets wait and hope the tested Unit is a faulty one or without final hardware.
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The guy saying 28nm will be hotter than this new tech... In semiconductor physics, it's the opposite (smaller process at these limits runs hotter and is much harder to control.)
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th3 said:
The guy saying 28nm will be hotter than this new tech... In semiconductor physics, it's the opposite (smaller process at these limits runs hotter and is much harder to control.)
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The number of cores went from 4 to 8, meaning that the size of each core probably had to be shrunk in order to fit inside a smartphone SoC.
Smaller cores = hotter cores