I had to return two Prime's. One had a busted vibrator and two stuck pixels that i couldn't fix after 36 hours of a pixel fixing program. The other had a screen defect similar to if you placed a white led Christmas light directly behind a sheet of white paper. They both ran like champs but to hell with the supposed super awesome better than ever super ips+ screens.
I have given up on the prime. I am going to sell the dock on ebay for a profit.
Could anyone who has used a Prime please tell me how well it runs and works vs your Original Transformer? I have read about the reasons why people may or may not want to upgrade to the Prime with the T700 coming soon or whatever but I really want to hear from people who have first hand experience on both. The lack of complaints here in general has me optimistic.
Am I going to miss the thinness and feel of the Prime? Does the OG feel as nice in the hand? Does the OG Transformer feel as smooth swiping screens and browsing the net? I don't game much...other than ROMS and Angry Birds so I don't care about that as much.
I have read about the dock drain issue and have to assume if I buy new, which I will, that this will not be an issue. Please let me know if I am wrong about that.
Also, have there been many issues with the screen? If I buy this and the screen is defective I am not sure it will make it back to the store. I will probably throw it at a wall and have a heart attack. I don't care about light bleed around the edges on a black screen. I have been used to light bleed on LCD screens since before I can remember....it simply doesn't bother me since I have never seen a display without at least a little other than a phone I have with a Super Amoled screen.
Is going from the Transformer to the Prime like the cell phone world as far as specs vs actually real world difference? (Meaning not much difference in performance but you get to say you have the latest) I have a single core 800mhz phone and it runs as good or better than any new phone on the market. The specs would disagree but my use of it proves to me that specs on paper mean nothing. In other words does Tegra 3 really translate into real world performance gains other than on benchmarks or graphically intensive games? The only experience I have on ICS or HC is with the Prime so I am not sure if Tegra 3 vs Tegra 2 will make a difference in this case.
Is there anything super good about the Prime that you just think would be a deal breaker giving up for the Transformer?
The Prime was my first tablet and I absolutely loved it. Almost kept the second one but my wife talked me out of it. This whole experience has left a very rotten taste in my mouth as far as Asus is concerned but I just absolutely love the combination of the tablet with the dock...it's just so elegant.
Thanks guys. I know you have probably seen posts like this a lot lately but I really am getting frustrated as I am throwing my wallet at ASUS and they seem to want me to keep my money.
If this post is tl;dr please just keep your comments to yourself.
Wrong section. Need to visit the transformer prime section.
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Why not ipad2?
Visiting the forum of a new product you are asking about compared to an old one will pretty much always result in the newer being better. I wanted advice from people who stuck with the old and had experience with the new.
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Why not ipad2?
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Real classy, ass. Were your other 1,900+ posts just as informative?
Goodintentions serves as a great role model for everything NOT to become while being an Android user..you realize how abrasive you are throwing up 'buy an ipad2' everywhere? I'm about to leave the site completely for fear that there are others like you here. You are everything that is wrong with Android fanbois.
Heck, you even FOLLOWED me to a YOUTUBE video to post that crap! I hope google is paying your for ad-time, either that or your mother must have been murdered by an Ipad..or you are just a jerk who can't keep negative comments to themselves. Either way, I love my TF101, and wouldn't trade it for a prime (too many issues). So to the OP, take that how you want it
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Real classy, ass. Were your other 1,900+ posts just as informative?
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LMAO EXACTLY! Someone else sees this BS..
I have not had a problem with my transformer at all. But I am no power user either. I can tell you the graphics are good and it can only get better when ics hits.
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There's been so much bickering going on around these parts that it's getting really difficult to find relevant information. Here are my thoughts, having owned both.
Asus has paid attention to many of the little details that needed improvement on the TF101. To name a few:
-Build quality: TF101 would creak (both the tablet and dock) if you torque it a bit.
-Camera: LED flash added. I don't really use it much, but it's nice to have.
-USB cable: old one received a lot of complaints for being too short; new one is 2 feet longer.
-Docking mechanism is much snappier, and now has two battery indicators.
-Battery life is vastly better when tablet is sitting at idle.
-Speakers sound much better on the TF201. TF101 lacks depth just like any other phone or tablet.
-Haptic feedback added: TF101 doesn't vibrate at all.
Increased processing power is easily apparent in graphics and video playback. I have video files that simply will not play on the TF101 but play just fine on the TF201. Also, apps start up and load faster so you'll see a difference there.
However, I have noticed that some TegraZone games actually play smoother on the TF101. The problem is, some developers have been way too ambitious with Tegra 3 and while the graphics look much nicer, they actually end up becoming more choppy. Zen Pinball THD is a good example of this.
The thinner profile definitely appeals to me more and is a bit lighter. One drawback I've noticed with the dock being so slim, though, is that the key stroke is shallower than before. I prefer the TF101 keyboard for typing, although it's not a huge deal.
I thought the TF101 was a great tablet until the day I got the TF201. Now, I only see it as a good tablet. It's unfortunate you've had some issues with QC, but as I recall the early TF101 units also had a fair share of people that were not satisfied. Anyway, having used both, there's really no way I can go back to the OG Transformer, and I don't see enough change in the upcoming T700 to warrant another upgrade (and another round of waiting only to be frustrated by Asus not being able to supply enough). I'd say stick with the TF201 and hope you get a good unit like mine.
Actually, I'm serious this time. Might I also recommend the galaxy tab 10.1. The point is there seems to be a lot of reports about problems with a lot of the prime devices. Asus just came out with the TF700T or something like that that seems to fix all the design flaws. To me, there's no better tell tale (or is it tale tell?) sign of them recognizing and quietly admitting there was a design flaw.
If the OP went through 2 prime devices and happened to have found 2 defective products, why should we encourage him to get a 3rd prime? This isn't an apple fanboy website where we ignore all the flaws of a device.
To the OP, the TF101 might not be the latest and greatest, but it certainly one of the best tablets out there. For everyday purposes, it does everything you need plus more. If you don't want to get an ipad, try the TF101 and see if you like it.
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There's been so much bickering going on around these parts that it's getting really difficult to find relevant information. Here are my thoughts, having owned both.
Asus has paid attention to many of the little details that needed improvement on the TF101. To name a few:
-Build quality: TF101 would creak (both the tablet and dock) if you torque it a bit.
-Camera: LED flash added. I don't really use it much, but it's nice to have.
-USB cable: old one received a lot of complaints for being too short; new one is 2 feet longer.
-Docking mechanism is much snappier, and now has two battery indicators.
-Battery life is vastly better when tablet is sitting at idle.
-Speakers sound much better on the TF201. TF101 lacks depth just like any other phone or tablet.
-Haptic feedback added: TF101 doesn't vibrate at all.
Increased processing power is easily apparent in graphics and video playback. I have video files that simply will not play on the TF101 but play just fine on the TF201. Also, apps start up and load faster so you'll see a difference there.
However, I have noticed that some TegraZone games actually play smoother on the TF101. The problem is, some developers have been way too ambitious with Tegra 3 and while the graphics look much nicer, they actually end up becoming more choppy. Zen Pinball THD is a good example of this.
The thinner profile definitely appeals to me more and is a bit lighter. One drawback I've noticed with the dock being so slim, though, is that the key stroke is shallower than before. I prefer the TF101 keyboard for typing, although it's not a huge deal.
I thought the TF101 was a great tablet until the day I got the TF201. Now, I only see it as a good tablet. It's unfortunate you've had some issues with QC, but as I recall the early TF101 units also had a fair share of people that were not satisfied. Anyway, having used both, there's really no way I can go back to the OG Transformer, and I don't see enough change in the upcoming T700 to warrant another upgrade (and another round of waiting only to be frustrated by Asus not being able to supply enough). I'd say stick with the TF201 and hope you get a good unit like mine.
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Do you have gps and wifi issue? From what I've read, half of the prime owners report gps and wifi issue while the other half report not having any problem at all with both these features. I'm having trouble telling just how many units out there have these problems because of the all metal back.
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Goodintentions serves as a great role model for everything NOT to become while being an Android user..you realize how abrasive you are throwing up 'buy an ipad2' everywhere? I'm about to leave the site completely for fear that there are others like you here. You are everything that is wrong with Android fanbois.
Heck, you even FOLLOWED me to a YOUTUBE video to post that crap! I hope google is paying your for ad-time, either that or your mother must have been murdered by an Ipad..or you are just a jerk who can't keep negative comments to themselves. Either way, I love my TF101, and wouldn't trade it for a prime (too many issues). So to the OP, take that how you want it
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What youtube video?
Look, I admit that I'm a jerk. I just have a problem with whiners. I don't mind legit complaints about real honest to god issues. If you've been helping people with tech support for as long as I have, you'd get sick of whiners as well.
If you have the energy, complain about legit issues. I kid you not, I've seen someone complain that an all metal back tablet is too cold to the hands and so the end of the world is coming or some other nonsense. I simply don't find the same level of whining from the apple world. I don't own anything apple except the ipod I got as a gift. But apple users seem to be a happier bunch of people than everyone else. At least they don't constantly whine. Heck, apple put a phone OS on the ipad and apple users praised. But god forbids if an android tablet runs on a 2.2 or 2.3 version.
Dude, what is the damn difference between a faulty GPS and a faulty screen? And the video that I commented on a few days ago about the guy with ICS when I pointed out his light bleeds like my first TF, although not as severely.
A creak in your hands is a legit complaint, but a faulty screen isn't? Wow you have a way of picking and choosing what problems are legit and which are just 'whiner' problems..devoid of all logic. I'd say light bleed is a MUCH worse issue than creaking in your hands..it afterall affects the visability of the screen.
Apparently though you've made your mind up a long time ago to simply be disrespectful to anyone who complains about an issue that you are complacent about.
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Dude, what is the damn difference between a faulty GPS and a faulty screen? And the video that I commented on a few days ago about the guy with ICS when I pointed out his light bleeds like my first TF, although not as severely.
A creak in your hands is a legit complaint, but a faulty screen isn't? Wow you have a way of picking and choosing what problems are legit and which are just 'whiner' problems..devoid of all logic. I'd say light bleed is a MUCH worse issue than creaking in your hands..it afterall affects the visability of the screen.
Apparently though you've made your mind up a long time ago to simply be disrespectful to anyone who complains about an issue that you are complacent about.
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Hahaha, that was you? What a coincidence! I honestly did not follow you anywhere. I was just looking up ICS on youtube.
Look, it's great that you supposedly have a device with no light bleed at all. After dealing with at least a dozen ips devices first hand, I still haven't found one without light bleed yet. Did find some with small and some with large.
You really think light bleeds is that big of a problem? If everyone who has light bleeds decide to keep exchanging units for a new one in hopes of finding one without light bleeds, it would be a disaster.
I'm not saying you shouldn't exchange your unit if you don't like light bleeds. Just be aware that every or almost every ips devices out there have light bleeds.
I'm still snickering over the fact that we found each other on a youtube video and here.
light bleed is a bad problem. all of them are. I had to choose between stuck pixels, dust under the screen or slight light bleed. Or low OC. It is simply too much to hope for a perfect screen+no creak+good overclocking. It sounds reasonable and it should theoretically be expected that all the screens are perfect but they aren't.
I bought 6 transformers from CompUSA in April for this reason. I chose the one with least light bleed and a good vcore(i binned them). I could have had an even better overclocking one but that one had a stuck pixel. And I wasn't going to open both up and swap Tegra boards out lol.
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I bought 6 transformers from CompUSA in April for this reason. I chose the one with least light bleed and a good vcore(i binned them). I could have had an even better overclocking one but that one had a stuck pixel. And I wasn't going to open both up and swap Tegra boards out lol.
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Did you just say you spent $2400? Doesn't compusa charge restocking fee?
Does the OG feel as nice in the hand?
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Who can answer this? It's wholly subjective. It feels nice in my hand but how can I compare this to the prime? Are you asking about lightness? Are you asking if it brings on an orgasm? I have no idea. It feels balance, it feels slightly heavy but only because I have a silicone case on it. Without the case it feels MUCH lighter. You can pick up the floor model in person at Best Buy if you want to see for yourself.
Does the OG Transformer feel as smooth swiping screens and browsing the net?
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Again I have no idea how smooth Prime is but my TF101 swipes across screen smoothy. No hiccups, I can swipe left right left right repeatedly on the home screen with no pauses or discernable chunkiness. If there's any added smoothness in Prime I don't think it's due to the hardware but rather the software (ICS), which would be a moot point since we're getting ICS anyway.
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Did you just say you spent $2400? Doesn't compusa charge restocking fee?
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no i asked them and they said they wouldn't. and didn't. i just had to return it in the 14 day period.
goodintentions said:
Why not ipad2?
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And your s/n is good intentions lol
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no i asked them and they said they wouldn't. and didn't. i just had to return it in the 14 day period.
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i guess it was june, not may.
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Well, I've managed to find one and ordered a 32GB version. It should be arriving on Monday.
However, from all the negative 3.1-related threads I'm kind of regretting it now. Talk of battery drains, speaker issues, lags, random reboots, worse wifi, etc. is making me wish I'd held off or gone for something else (Acer Iconia?)
Please someone tell me that in the grand scheme of things, this is actually a bloody decent device!
Aside from a small bit of light leak mine is all good. What you're experiencing is people that aren't satisfied will be more likely to speak up than people who are satisfied with the devices. These issues are things that have happened to certain users but its not like your device will automatically present all these symptoms. In the grand scheme of things this is a really nice device. If you are looking for something where everything is perfect and there are no issues,you might have to wait a while longer until honeycomb matures a bit more and the 2nd Gen of android tabs come out (i don't really count gb tabs as officially supported android tabs)
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While I can't speak for anyone else I bought mine sight unseen and could not be happier.
I'm rooted on 3.1 and overclocked and while kernel is a little rough I am loving it. Only gonna get better. Besides, stock kernel is an option.
Light bleed...not an issue for me. (Haven't noticed so I don't care)
Random reboots. May have happened overnight but I haven't seen any.
I haven't killed my battery yet. Lowest I've gotten was last night to 23% but I was flashing **** like crazy. (No dock btw)
Lots of storage.
Videos play great now.
Speakers are fine to me. (They make it so I can easily hear what I want to hear)
Screen is gorgeous.
Kills the zoom as far as I can tell.
I am happy and with all the development going on I am only going to get happier.
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No battery drains, speaker issues, or wifi problems with mine. Have had it randomly reboot on me once though. And I've seen the Xoom lag way worse. Overall, this is the best tablet currently available. I wouldn't touch an Acer product with a 10 yard stick.
Stick with 3.0 if you don't like all the problems with 3.1. Though, I'm using it and am only bothered by the browser.
I just ordered mine too and don't yet have it. I had what you are having and even cancelled the order at one point in favor of the a500. After cancelling, I did a pretty thorough look at the Acer a500. Even though it has better speakers, a USB 2.0 port, and vibrate, it's downsides are too much to take.
I don't want something that heavy or bulky. It has known GPS problems. The battery life is pretty mediocre when compared to the Transformer. And, currently anyway, the development for this tablet is much more promising.
Don't worry about the bleed issues. That seems to be the biggest one people complain about. Just keep exchanging until you get one with minimal bleeding.
It is a bloody fantastic machine! Love it, it has been used pretty much non-stop since the 3 of May!
Excellent piece of hardware - I only got the 16GB version, so plan is to purchase a good microSDHC card soon - 32GB version.
I am running on the latest version (3.1) and I could not be happier. Got the dock a week ago and I amazed on how much I use it. Often combo-use the touch screen and keyboard for interactions with the transformer.
I game, surf, read, watch movies and some hobby software development. Plan is to soon be able to actually develop on it as well
I know the experience migth vary, but for me, this piece of wonderful wholesome goodness could not be better, unless someone covered it in batter and deep fried it!
- Authored on my transformer
The fact that you can sell it technically used for the price of new must mean that there are around 10,000 people a month that like theirs.
QUOTE=jhanford;14433435]Well, I've managed to find one and ordered a 32GB version. It should be arriving on Monday.
However, from all the negative 3.1-related threads I'm kind of regretting it now. Talk of battery drains, speaker issues, lags, random reboots, worse wifi, etc. is making me wish I'd held off or gone for something else (Acer Iconia?)
Please someone tell me that in the grand scheme of things, this is actually a bloody decent device! [/QUOTE]
Aside from a small amount of light bleed, that is only noticeable if you are sitting in the dark with the screen ramped up to maximum brightness, I haven't had any problems with my mine. It's a great bit of kit and the dock takes it to a completely different level. No regrets at all about buying mine,
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I don't need a signature.
16 hours off the charger and I'm at 52%. Granted, a good deal of that has been idle, I haven't played with it for 16 hours straight, but that is in line with what I expect from a tablet -- mess with it some, lay it down for hours, and pick it up again later with a decent amount of juice left. Mine creaks a bit in the upper right corner, and I notice one small spot of light bleed under perfectly dark conditions, but otherwise, I'm glad I bought it. Won't find a better value anywhere else.
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Wow, filled up a page in less than an hour!
Thanks guys. It IS good to hear the other side of the coin, and I completely get the "self selection bias" point.
I have less remorse than I did an hour ago, so thank you everyone.
Now I'm looking forward to it arriving again
I am thrilled with the TF!!! And let me just say that I am very hard to please when it comes to electronics.
I had the G-Slate and the TF whips it, hands down.
The Acer tab is alright, but it is wayyy too bulky and still not quite as good as the TF IMO.
I am using 3.1 and although it is not as fast as 3.0 when I had it overclocked it still works fine. I haven't tried the 3.1 oc kernel that got posted today yet.
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Wow, filled up a page in less than an hour!
Thanks guys. It IS good to hear the other side of the coin, and I completely get the "self selection bias" point.
I have less remorse than I did an hour ago, so thank you everyone.
Now I'm looking forward to it arriving again
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Yeah only two things to really be concerned about is the light bleed, if it's massive, and battery life after 3.1.
For the $400 price, the IPS display, and all other tablets sucking, I guess I'm happy with the Transformer. But I got a few problems.
My first transformer had a defective screen that was separated from the glass making the back light visible on one side and causing the glass to bend.
I'm on my second Transformer now. It's got back light bleeding, which doesn't bother me too much. But it's also got a quarter inch circle on the screen that is brighter than the rest of the screen. Looks like something is wrong with the panel there.
So now I got to return a second Transformer. And this is such a pain because I got to time it right with when they have something in inventory or just be without a the tablet for a while like last time.
There are other build quality issues. The back plastic edges are not flush with the metal bezel, some corners are popped up a little.
And the speaker volume is not balance (fearing this might be hardware problem too since its still not fixed from the 3.1 update).
I was having some performance issues and found I had to reboot the tablet often to refresh the performance. Then I started removing some applications. After removing TweetCaster Pro, suddenly the performance improved significantly.
I seem to get a lot more keyboard lag (ASUS or Android keyboard) with the stock browser after the 3.1 update. It's a little disappointing.
I've got gripes. But I think I'll be keeping the Transformer (though definitely need to go through another exchange). The A500 doesn't have an IPS display and is very heavy. And I suspect it'll have it's share of software problems too. Same thing for the Xoom. The Galaxy Tab 10.1 has it's own quality build issues (it's glass likes to pop out of the bezel like the Transformer's back side is doing on mine) and it's lack of micro SD is a huge disappointment.
The state of Android tablets is still in a rather sad state. But we are still kinda early adopters and it's the price we pay.
PS. Almost forgot to mention, the GPS on my Transformer doesn't work at all. Though this really doesn't bother me since I don't use it anyway.
Yikes! I swear I think there are just bad batches out there, that can be the only explanation of these wild swings in quality. I guess the OP needs to cross his fingers and hope he gets one of the good ones.
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Aside from a small bit of light leak mine is all good. What you're experiencing is people that aren't satisfied will be more likely to speak up than people who are satisfied with the devices. These issues are things that have happened to certain users but its not like your device will automatically present all these symptoms. In the grand scheme of things this is a really nice device. If you are looking for something where everything is perfect and there are no issues,you might have to wait a while longer until honeycomb matures a bit more and the 2nd Gen of android tabs come out (i don't really count gb tabs as officially supported android tabs)
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THIS so much.
I am REALLY surprised with how much damn COMPLAINING there is across these boards. My unit came perfect apart from a small bit of light bleed at the bottom.
And best of all? 3.1 DOUBLED the functionality of the tablet. I was super happy with it when I got it, and then the update made it feel like a new tablet.
Besides the light bleed, my only problem with it is that it doesn't seem to do 1080p output through the miniHDMI jack.
Other than that, it's perfect and one of the best technology purchases I have ever made.
TBH, when I purchased mine I read all the complaining about problems and also was worried. But when I opened it, plugged it in, and used it, I was blown away and all my worries were destroyed.
Seriously, it's an amazing product that benefits even more by the dock and by Honeycomb 3.1. Even if new tablets with better hardware come out, this tablet is going to retain its uniqueness and power through the ever-increasing capabilities of Honeycomb (and eventually Ice Cream Sandwich!) and because of its fantastic Dock.
EDIT: Please don't get me wrong, by "complaining" I don't mean that people are whining about illegitimate problems. Problems DO exist, but it's as the person I quoted said: it's just biased because all the people without problems are enjoying their tablets and not looking for solutions on this forum.
The only "problem" that I feel IS complaining is people who whine about how their tablets "creak". It's like the most minor problem of anything, and yet there are people who have returned their tablets and won't buy another one just because their first one makes a small creak sound when you press on it.
Remember this device is on the edge of tech. New product. Growing pains in manufacturing, etc. There will be returns.
But I can tell you that I have been on the edge of tech since before the IBM PC. And I have never had a "toy" that brought such amazement and sheer joy. Run google body on it (while you have two email accounts updating and google voice updating while you have a map with the latest earthquakes updating while you have a maps window open while you have conversion software to convert anything to anything and gps navigation at your fingertips with Copilot Live) and prepare to be amazed. All while listening to music.
I have no problems others than the sound is not very good. I think it will get better with updates; there are $25 solutions to this problem.
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Aside from a small amount of light bleed, that is only noticeable if you are sitting in the dark with the screen ramped up to maximum brightness, I haven't had any problems with my mine. It's a great bit of kit and the dock takes it to a completely different level. No regrets at all about buying mine,
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I had two with bleed and speaker balance issues. one experience the frame separation too and it got worse the longer I had it. for me the bleed was noticeable even at lowest brightness sine I read books with black bg and red text. one had way more bleed than the other.
my third try is coming on Tuesday. I've decided to give up using the tf as an ebook reader and keep it limited to comics or reading in daylight.
as for the crappy speakers, sound quality and balance issues, ive just decided that for what it offers at the price its good enough. plus i have my archos 101 as back up. crappier build and screen but better av playback quality.
the tf is a great device, if that weren't true I wouldn't give it three tries. I just really wish the qc was better.
I've had mine since April 28th and it's fine. No problems to speak of except minor light bleed, which doesn't bother me at all. 3.1 even improved my battery performance, so I'm kind of surprised to hear about the other issues here. Enjoy your TF and post your thoughts after you receive.
I typically do not post raves, but this time I have to rave about the Transformer. This is what everyone that try's to do an android tablet should be making. I got the Gtab last fall and did all the moding to get a usable tablet. Worked pretty good I had to say. Until now. The TF is outstanding. I had the pleasure of quieting a couple friends with iPads on Friday. The TF tore through internet pages, video on Youtube and anything else they could challenge me with.
I have been a fan of Asus for awhile and will continue to praise their product.
FYI, buy from a reputable vendor and you wont have the headaches.
Yeah this thing is amazing. I remember watching a reviews before I ordered it, saying the back felt cheap because it had a strange pattern but it feels so nice, and of course, doesn't scratch!
+1 had to go show it to my old boss the ultimate apple product fanboy, he looked for a bit, then quickly found a reason not to talk to me anymore normally he would argue with me about how apple is far superior, there is no argument that really holds water in the ipad vs eeepad shootout
I completely agree. After I messed around with most tablets out there. (Xoom, Iconia, iPad 1 and 2, etc...) I finally settled on the TF and I do not regret a thing. I absolutely love the little guy. The transformer is easily my favorite tablet and product that I've purchased from ASUS.
Almost a year ago Asus was showing off that 12 inch win7 tablet/laptop/transformer, and I wanted it so bad back then...
Januari this year I bought the Toshiba Folio 100, and after modding it, it does work very well imo... But when I walked through a MediaMarkt XL store (just to look aroudn and play around with some stuff), I saw this transformer, and I knew I was going to buy it, but I wanted to make sure it really was what it looked like... so I read and watched a lot of reviews, and bought it the next day!
It's so nice that I even leave my 15" HP ProBook at home most of the time!
(The wallpaper is a live video wallpaper)
I have to agree on that.
The Transformer is a very well done and smartly design product.
Kudo's to asus !
The keyboard integration is so good that i'm using the tablet almost exclusivly with the dock.
It's light, easy to use, the trackpad is awesome, the connectivity is top notch and the battery life is....well it's basicly the longest battery life there is in any device. Want to use it all day long in your garden downloading movie, watching them and browsing internet while chatting with friend ? You can ! This thing just can't run out of juice !
Gratz Asus! Waiting for you to roll out Ice cream as soon as you can.
Same here, Kudos to Asus! I'm moving on close to 2 months since the release and couldn't be happier...no problems. And, oh so, glad I got the dock/keyboard that really makes it unique and above the rest.
And please with all the card slots, etc. it offers that others don't. Also, pretty impressed that they rolled out the new update in a timely fashion for 3.1, while it looks like other tablets were waiting.
Guess that's why it's reported Asus Transformer is best selling android tablet!
I'm a happy customer and use it every day, all day long most time with a great battery life between it and my keyboard.
I must say that I'm also very pleased with the TF101. There have been lots of other posts/threads which slam them for the light bleed, non-working issues, etc., but really, I think ASUS has done a great job considering that it's their first foray into Android, AND they come with a product that no one else offers (dock functionality). It takes a hell of a lot of QA to make sure that it's ready for production, and despite myself having to return a faulty dock, I also give Kudos to them.
In fact, as I was reporting on my faulty dock issue a while ago, I received a PM from ASUS themselves! They offered to exchange my complete setup for a brand new one (dock, tablet, cables, etc.), however I declined because everything is working great for me once exchanging my faulty dock at the store I purchased it from.
Getting that message and noting that ASUS themselves are watching these boards, as they know we have a great passion for 'pimping out' devices gives me another great feeling.
Has anyone else been in contact by ASUS on XDA?
Regardless, yes. Kudos to you ASUS!
I, too, love my Transformer plus dock. Mine has no light bleed, no creaking, no problems at all. And I'm a total n00b when it comes to Android, but by reading the manual and the helpful advice here and another forum, I've gotten most or all of my questions answered. If even a beginner like me can feel comfortable, Asus has hit it out of the park.
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Yeah this thing is amazing. I remember watching a reviews before I ordered it, saying the back felt cheap because it had a strange pattern but it feels so nice, and of course, doesn't scratch!
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Mine feels extremely solid, and well built...not sure where the reviewers are getting this unless they were stuck with some bad ones...
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Mine feels extremely solid, and well built...not sure where the reviewers are getting this unless they were stuck with some bad ones...
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Review units are usually from pre-production or 1st production runs, and almost always have disclaimers that they are pre-prodution run review units. It also explains some of the early units that appear on the market having some QA issues.
I have a B05 UK model, and have none of the problems mentioned, it's got fantastic build quality, and my Apple loving boss has last week sold his ipad2 and bought one too after seeing mine+dock.
The days of Apple ruling the roost are long gone, you can get better and cheaper buy buying non-Apple these days. My phone is a HTC that's WAY better than anything Apple make, my tablet is an Asus and ditto....
My tab definitely feels solid too. I don't get all the "cheap" complaints because mine has been just fine and dandy. I do have a little bit of light bleed but it's really only visible when the entire screen is black, and honestly, it's something I can overlook. Just a minor annoyance, and I'll take dealing with it given the price
<3 the TF!
Have to agree pretty much with all the previous posts here. Have read most all the other posts of complaints and honestly while some were bonafide issues I rather felt some were suffering from too high expectations. My TF is quite probably from the initial release go-round and pretty much has been fine. A few annoyances? Sure. The dock battery drain is troublesome as is the charger (email to Asus was NEVER even acknowledged sad to say) but hoping future software fixes will be forthcoming.
Overall, I'm pleased and impressed.
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My tab definitely feels solid too. I don't get all the "cheap" complaints because mine has been just fine and dandy. I do have a little bit of light bleed but it's really only visible when the entire screen is black, and honestly, it's something I can overlook. Just a minor annoyance, and I'll take dealing with it given the price
<3 the TF!
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well I can't tell if I have any light bleeding... I've ran several dead pixel and light bleeding test programs and all of the colors of 100 percent solid. My settings screen and my browser bookmark page look like they have light bleed but several people have told me that is by design.
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I am very satisfied as well. I also have the keyboard version and it's not only usefull when writing longer texts (e.g. emails) but it gives the extra boost in battery life which is very welcomed!
I'm definitely not selling mine!
I'm thrilled with almost everything about it.
I also own an iPad and can comment without bias. The TF is better in nearly every way (especially the OS). The one area I think the iPad wins is the structural strength. It just feels tougher. I do like the really simple design but unfortunately apple let that spill over into every facet of the device.
TF for the win (especially with prime! 1.5)
Not untill this has netflix,hulu plus, words with friends honeycomb edition and potrait frame rate fix honeycomb tabs would never be an iPad killer
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I typically do not post raves, but this time I have to rave about the Transformer. This is what everyone that try's to do an android tablet should be making. I got the Gtab last fall and did all the moding to get a usable tablet. Worked pretty good I had to say. Until now. The TF is outstanding. I had the pleasure of quieting a couple friends with iPads on Friday. The TF tore through internet pages, video on Youtube and anything else they could challenge me with.
I have been a fan of Asus for awhile and will continue to praise their product.
FYI, buy from a reputable vendor and you wont have the headaches.
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My cousin, a huge apple fan boy, talked trash about my tablet for a while. Then he came over the shoot pool with me yesterday, and he saw my tablet with the keyboard dock, and he was like on nice you got a new netbook? I guess your tablet was not enough.
I told him this is my tablet and then showed him how it works, he was like Sh!t, why cant apple do cool stuff like that!!
"Android" steals the best stuff, and improves on it" I had to laugh at him.
Brandon
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Not untill this has netflix,hulu plus, words with friends honeycomb edition and potrait frame rate fix honeycomb tabs would never be an iPad killer
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To each their own! Plenty of people could care less about those apps and don't even miss them when they're gone.
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+1 had to go show it to my old boss the ultimate apple product fanboy, he looked for a bit, then quickly found a reason not to talk to me anymore normally he would argue with me about how apple is far superior, there is no argument that really holds water in the ipad vs eeepad shootout
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Reality check.
Rational arguments favoring the iPad 2 would include build quality, form factor (half as thick and also lighter), resale value, screen quality (brighter at max, dimmer at min, less reflective), performance (iPad's PowerVR crushes Tegra 2, no problems with 720p h.264 and iOS 5 has no problems even with 1080p h.264 whereas my TF cannot currently decode 720p acceptably, negating for me the advantage of the 16:10 screen). Also consider O/S maturity and reliability (most obviously the default Honeycomb launcher+browser are junk although ADW+Opera are much better, if buggy), the development tools (the Android emulator in particular is laughable - the iPad emulator in XCode is literally ~100x faster), app selection (Netflix an obvious example, there are thousands more), app quality (same app on both platforms is almost always inferior on TF) - in fact I don't see Android app performance ever approaching iOS here on similar hardware due to the overhead imposed by the Dalvik VM. Also, iTunes movies, TV shows, audiobooks etc. are one click away (although you have to pay for them vs torrents/Handbrake etc). Maybe if I had I non-rooted non-wifi-only Xoom I could try Google movies - I wouldn't known since I have an Asus TF and it has not been white-listed yet (BTW this kind of will-it-install/run/work roulette would not fly on the iTunes store). AirPlay, AirPrint and Home Sharing also 'Just Works.'.
I guess none of these arguments 'hold water' to you but if Google, OEMs like Asus and users rationalize away these things I think you can pretty much kiss this platform goodbye.
... which would be unfortunate because the Transformer's advantages are not insignificant - for $100 less (32GB vs 32GB) I get the MicroSD slot (plus SD with the dock) which gives me 64gb swappable storage in addition to the 32gb onboard (vs 64gb total on iPad), Apple's 'walled garden' is breached so I can install 3rd party keyboards, cloud-based music players, launchers, widgets etc. I also don't have to worry about Apple yanking the Kindle app etc for not paying the tithe etc.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-5...have-a-clue-as-to-why-they-need-the-new-ipad/
I've been saying this all along. Most people won't be able to tell the difference between HD display and retina display. And most ipad buyers buy the ipad without knowing exactly why.
oooohhh shiny i want one.....oh wait i have something better lol.
Apple are bieist SOBS, When I was watching the IPad 3 keynote I was literally grinding my teeth as they laughed at Android's small flaws (which wernt exactly flaws) and promoted the iPad flawless in comparison compared. This happens every year and this year is no different to apple's routine to demotivate other companies at every keynote!, plus the biggest WTF moment in the whole keynote was when they compared the tegra 3 to the apple A5 and A5X chips and told the tegra to be the lowest one in all of them!!! I mean come on ! A5 was a dual core and Tegra 3 is a quad core plus the 5th ninja core!! WTF APPLE! #$%& you!
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Apple are bieist SOBS, When I was watching the IPad 3 keynote I was literally grinding my teeth as they laughed at Android's small flaws (which wernt exactly flaws) and promoted the iPad flawless in comparison compared. This happens every year and this year is no different to apple's routine to demotivate other companies at every keynote!, plus the biggest WTF moment in the whole keynote was when they compared the tegra 3 to the apple A5 and A5X chips and told the tegra to be the lowest one in all of them!!! I mean come on ! A5 was a dual core and Tegra 3 is a quad core plus the 5th ninja core!! WTF APPLE! #$%& you!
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Apple clearly are the Kings when it comes to spinning stuff...
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http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-5...have-a-clue-as-to-why-they-need-the-new-ipad/
I've been saying this all along. Most people won't be able to tell the difference between HD display and retina display. And most ipad buyers buy the ipad without knowing exactly why.
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The same can be said about most consumers who buy Android also.
baseballfanz said:
The same can be said about most consumers who buy Android also.
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quoted for truth
baseballfanz said:
The same can be said about most consumers who buy Android also.
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Well you have your hardcore groups in either. I know people with an iPad 1 that didn't feel compelled to buy a 2... but the jump from 1 to 3 warrants a new purchase. I have a Transformer but didn't rush out for the Prime just because. Mine works great and nothing pushes it to a place where it under performs. Same with any make and model.
Its like console sales. Fanboys always say PS3 is selling more or 360 has the lead.... but eventually everyone who wants one will have one and numbers decline. Putting a bigger processor to run a larger screen resolution cancel out the speed benefits of said quad core. Plus native resolution will look good on any screen designed to run that specific resolution. My transformer has a beautiful screen with great clarity but I'm not running 1920x1200... how can that be!!!!
Super high resolutions are best left for the big dogs (ie PCs). 1280x1024 is plenty for a 10" screen. My 26" LCD PC monitor runs at 1920x1200... overkill for a 10" screen.
The downfall is now your forced to stream higher quality video because 480p will look like total crap when stretched to much. That or play them at their native size which will be super tiny = defeats purpose. Plus iOS is faced with ANOTHER resolution change, and we all know apps don't scale in Apple land... so prepare to purchase all your apps and games for their HD+ editions all over again.
Pass.
Asus TF101 ICS 4.0.3
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The same can be said about most consumers who buy Android also.
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Um, no.
I went through quite a few tablets (including the ipad) before I settled down to the TF101. And when the prime came out, I didn't go and line up for hours/days to buy one on the first day. I still don't have a prime even though I've been thinking of upgrading. I just haven't found a good reason to upgrade yet.
i think apple needs to realize that a 4:3 resolution is NOT FOR MOVIES, NOT FOR WEBSITES
they should have gone with 2048x1280 for 16:10 res. 2048x1152 is just too thin(16:9, as in dell's SP2309W that is 2048x1152)
still though 1920x1200 is plenty for a 10 inch screen.
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i bet they asked some old people if they could tell the difference between 250ppi and 132ppi
for the record TF101 is at 150ppi. i think 200 is the sweet spot
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Um, no.
I went through quite a few tablets (including the ipad) before I settled down to the TF101. And when the prime came out, I didn't go and line up for hours/days to buy one on the first day. I still don't have a prime even though I've been thinking of upgrading. I just haven't found a good reason to upgrade yet.
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Um, yes. Maybe not you personally and i never say you. I'm just saying the majority of the consumers out there. you think the majority of Android users will even know what tegra2 is of you ask them. LOL
either ive converted a few people in our area or the Ipad3 just didnt do it for them.........
We took 4 paid pre orders on Thursday (yes only 4) - sold around the same amount again on the
launch day, and maybe a few more than that yesterday......so out of just over 40 we had around half still in stock left,
Think we sold more Ipad2 tbh. We had them side by side with the inpregnated Apple demo photos on the screen and although to some the difference was clear, others didnt see alot in it......infact the majority said "which ones the new one?".......and the ipad2 photos were taken in over cast conditions which showed the ipad3s sunny snaps up better (hmmm)
Ipad2 launch was carnage and was sold out in under half an hour - including main warehouse.
Personally the screen and camera to me are definately much improved.....didnt see much speed difference. Think id be disapointed going from a 2 to a 3 though.
When I was watching the IPad 3 keynote
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The disingenuous part of the speech was where he explains why the iPad will never be beaten by Android tablets: He proceeds to show two apps, for each app he shows the the Android version which looks like a stretched/scaled phone app and then he shows the iOS version which look like HC/ICS tablet apps.
There's several problems with this:
A) If this is his justification for that statement, his justification is a joke.
B) His team handpicked the two worst apps to make his point. It's like claiming you're the strongest in the village and beating up a toddler to prove it. If he wanted to do a fair comparison he should have compared the iOS YouTube app to the Android HC/ICS YouTube app because the YouTube app (and other apps like the G-Mail app) on HC/ICS showcases the new ActionBar and Fragment classes Google introduced from HC onward.
He took the two worst apps that didn't utilize these classes and of course as a result they looked like **** compared to the iOS versions. His justification = a big LOL.
Here's a picture diagram of the YouTube app on both Android and iOS and you'll see they're very similar and if he had shown this it would have deflated his weak punchline. Each fragment (in red/blue) can hold what used to be separate activities so you can see multiple activities on the screen at once on the extra real estate of a tablet screen. The menu is no longer hidden by a hardware or software button. It's proudly displayed on the top as an Options Menu on the ActionBar for crucial options and the rest or what won't fit goes in the overflow menu (green).
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Just wait 'til they announce the iPhone 5...eh...I mean the iPhone 4GS.
Are the ipad 3's suffering from random reboot issues? We can laugh at them all we want, and but at least they have working devices!
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erm we will get a fix for that u know dont be so cynical
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Are the ipad 3's suffering from random reboot issues? We can laugh at them all we want, and but at least they have working devices!
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I'm still puzzled by this random reboot thing that's supposedly plaguing the TF101's out there. None of the 15 TF's we have have random reboots. They all go into deep sleep just fine. I haven't charged my TF since Thursday. It goes into deep sleep almost immediately after the screen is turned off.
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I'm still puzzled by this random reboot thing that's supposedly plaguing the TF101's out there. None of the 15 TF's we have have random reboots. They all go into deep sleep just fine. I haven't charged my TF since Thursday. It goes into deep sleep almost immediately after the screen is turned off.
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Your 15 tf's might be all good but the FACT is the random reboot problem exist. It's posted all over this and other forums.
Personally i dont suffer from this random reboot but I'm not going to pretend ALL TF are like mine.
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Are the ipad 3's suffering from random reboot issues? We can laugh at them all we want, and but at least they have working devices!
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Lol! Nice...but very weak dig at Android!
You're right though. Apple devices are perfect . I mean I've never seen my friend shake the thing all over trying to get the screen to "auto " rotate. Or whine when when I plug my Android device in to a computer it just connects and doesn't have to sync every time.
Point is : there are little annoyances on every platform. If you're going to try yo down Android to speak nicely of ipud, at least try harder
PS : aren't you in the wrong forum if you're bah bah bahhhhing for the ipud? Lol
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Asus Transformer all the way.
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Lol! Nice...but very weak dig at Android!
You're right though. Apple devices are perfect . I mean I've never seen my friend shake the thing all over trying to get the screen to "auto " rotate. Or whine when when I plug my Android device in to a computer it just connects and doesn't have to sync every time.
Point is : there are little annoyances on every platform. If you're going to try yo down Android to speak nicely of ipud, at least try harder
PS : aren't you in the wrong forum if you're bah bah bahhhhing for the ipud? Lol
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I've got three android devices, two ios devices and one webos device. They all have their strengths and weaknesses, but there's no doubt that the ios devices are better built and offer a better user experience.
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I got my new iPad last week and played with it a ton. I missed my apps for HBO go and brighthouse since i sold my old ipad 1 month ago. Since that time, i've upgraded my tf101 to kang ICS and had to rely on it for the entire month so i got to know it very well. Here are my 2 cents.
design
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winner : Transformer: Winner by decision. Compared to the original ipad, it would have lost because of the original one's similar edge feel but signficantly easier to hold form of the ipad 1. But this iPad one is more like a heavier version of the iPad 2. Awkward and gets warm too easy.
Performance
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winner : Draw. Both are lightning fast. The main reason i sold the ipad 1 was because it was crazy low after the 5.0 update. This is how it was meant to run.
Software O.S.
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winner : Transformer : winner by K.O in the 5th. This wasn't even close to me. I've grown to love the ICS so much more than the honeycomb it came with. For me to check email, browse with Dolphin, and print stuff, hands down ICS. Resizable widgets only adds to the K.O. I have my wife's email on a scrollable gmail on half the screen and my email on the other half. Below them are the icons for the various games we use, browser and other apps. Apple O.S. needs an update. It's pretty much had the same O.S. since it debut 6 years ago.
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winner : ipad : K.O. in 10 seconds of the 1st round. Not even close really. Facebook works like it should for a tablet, words with friends works great, exclusive ipad apps like hbo go give you hbo access to all its lineup and brighthouse and espn both have amazing apps. Games are so much better too. Real racing 2 looks like Grand Turismo on my PS3.
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winner : Transformer : winner by decision. Could have been an easy win here for the Transformer. Between the keyboard and memory card alone it scores an easy victory. Add the ability to use Clockwork Mod and our great community, and boom goes the dynamite. But ipad 3 game back here with a much better camera from its predecessors, a speaker that packs such a punch, you swear the whole back must be a giant speaker, and the 5.1 update with features which lets you split the keyboard by just pulling them apart as needed. Very close, but transformer does take this, barely.
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winner : ipad : winner by annihilation. What can you say here. My Transformer took a beat-down here. It was the supreme chancellor before the iPad. I thought it looked better than the ipad, ipad 2 and any other comers. But this time around, it got smoked. what made this even more unreal was that the transformer has a 10.1 screen and by all reasonable accounts, looked fine. But after seeing this ipad on a 9 inch screen no less, I now see the future of screens. I never noticed that i did put a little effort into looking at my Transformer screen. But now, when i look at the ipad, it IS like looking at paper, hell maybe better than paper because the lighting is always perfect. You use no facial muscles at all to see this screen. Just amazing. See screen-shots below.
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Undecided. The screen and apps pushed the ipad far ahead but the transformer with its exclusive use of widgets, memory card and keyboard stormed back. As i wrote this, i noticed that espn.com was redesigned to take advantage of certain features of ipad 3. It almost looks like an app. with things like this, it's going to be tough for the Transformer.
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Asus Transformer screen of sports.yahoo.com/nba yesterday.
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New iPad screen does look pretty impressive.
Thanks for the comparisons. The screen difference is amazing. Do you think now you got the ipad the transformer will take a back seat? Browsing-wise (speed) is there a difference?? Thanks !
browsing wise it depends on the site. for most sites i'd say the TF101 is still faster, but for ipad optimized site (which there are alot) the ipad is faster.
I'm hoping the Transformer won't get left behind. I'm monitoring the usage. Right now, my 12 year old is hogging up the ipad for games so we are still mostly using the TF101. But my eyes prefer the Ipad.
I was the biggest android fan around forever. I've had android phones on all the carriers. Ever since the g1. I can honestly say with no bias, that android doesn't hold a token to the new ipad. Not even compared to the ipad 2.
I got so sick of the honeycomb/ics apps being stretched out phone apps. The lack of sheer apps ruins it too. Pixelated stretched out phone netflix. So frustrating. I've had almost every tablet on the market, every phone on the market.
Google has a long way to go (and I'm hoping they can do it with their acquisition of Motorola Mobility).
What it boils down to for me is: when I press a button, I want the damn thing to react. So many times I press home and my phone just sits there. Battery pull to follow. Open the camera app. Press shoot. People pose and hold it for a lifetime just to take a picture. EDIT - most frustrating things: Press shoot on the camera, hear the click, and after you lower the camera you get a picture of your feet. Or press click and the flash goes off and the camera gets delayed and you get a picture of a dark room.
When google can get the content down, and get it to work the first time every time, I'll go back to Android tablets. For now I'm Android phone, iOS for tablets.
The iPad3's screen should be compared to the Transformer Infinity's, IMO. The TF101's should only be compared up to iPad2's.
comparing technologies 14 months in distance is like comparing chariots with tanks.
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OK im a bit confused here? So ur comparing a almost 2 year old original transformer to a brand new ipad? Yet other than screen and maybe websites, its holding its own very well. I say awesome for the transformer. Thats like comparing the ps2 to the ps3 screen 2 yrs later. DUHHH Id like to see the comparision when the new transformer 700 comes out later this year on screen. I love my transformer and even the prime didnt peak my interest enough to move up to it. So ur review even makes my decision to keep the original even better. Instead of like some fools who waste their money on the latest and not even have a clue as to why its better or if it even benefited them. Thx again for the review and heres to the duhhh factor.
Mark
Hbo Go is Apple exclusive now?
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where are you guys getting 2 years old? I bought the transformer just before christmas on Black Friday. It was release on April 1st 2011. It's not even a year old.
Please don't exaggerate to make a point, it defeats the whole purpose of a fair comparison.
Technology released within the same year deserves comparison. The ipad 2 can justly be compared as well since it was released before the transformer but within a year as well. The transformer prime can be compared as well.. All 4 models are available to purchase today at a best buy and are similarly priced within $100 of each other.
I would think nobody would replace their TF101 with the TF102 since it only upgrades the CPU/GPU. But I see people willing to upgrade the TF101 to the new ipad so i wanted to give my review of the devices since i happily own both. My review covers apps, O.S., screen, and intangibles as well which don't change between the tf101 and he tf201.
by the way, if you read what i said, this ipad replaced another ipad, not the tf101. we use both in the household as there are 4 of us. we like the ipad for its app exclusives and html5, this was just replacing the 2 year old ipad 1 which was lagging all the time with its limited RAM.
I don't dislike the TF101. I actually love the thing and have no plans to ditch it, just comparing the two.
Edit: Oops.. orateam beat me to the punch I'll just leave my reply here anyway since.. well, I can't be bothered to change it!
wicklet said:
OK im a bit confused here? So ur comparing a almost 2 year old original transformer to a brand new ipad?...
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I'm confused as well.. The Transformer was released on March 30, 2011.. Making it ALMOST a year old... Where do you get two years from? Gotta love technology time compression.
Now perhaps Asus had the hardware in development for a year prior to the release... but one would have to make the same assumption about apple... So... yeah... let's not get carried away with how "old and busted" the TF101 is.
-Matt
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Hbo Go is Apple exclusive now?
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i just noticed it's out there in the app store, but not compatible with any of my devices. I have the TF101, the htc sensation (tmobile), the Droid RZR (verizon), the Galaxy nexus (verizon), and the nook color.
That's the old one.
I'm interested in the 700 too. Why waste extra CPU/CPU cycles just to run a high resolution on a mobile device because its useless? Unlike PCs the change in resolution is very minor with a tad crisper text. WhooHoo. You don't get more screen space or any real benefit. I'd rather put those powerhouses to work rather then making text a little extra pretty. And of you have to use a microscope to see a difference then its null anyway.
If they would have left out the stupid resolution, the thing would be the next evolution of the iDevice... instead it plays everything the same speed has last years but at a ridiculous resolution.
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That's the old one.
I'm interested in the 700 too. Why waste extra CPU/CPU cycles just to run a high resolution on a mobile device because its useless? Unlike PCs the change in resolution is very minor with a tad crisper text. WhooHoo. You don't get more screen space or any real benefit. I'd rather put those powerhouses to work rather then making text a little extra pretty. And of you have to use a microscope to see a difference then its null anyway.
If they would have left out the stupid resolution, the thing would be the next evolution of the iDevice... instead it plays everything the same speed has last years but at a ridiculous resolution.
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people will always see what they want to see.
The screen looks a TON better. This is not a small thing. Today's websites are designed around the resolution of 1024x768 running on at least 15" monitors. Our TF101 is a great screen with 10 inches at 1280x800. But the screen is just 10 inches which means you're looking at a screen some 72% smaller than the recommended scree size per resolution for reading text. Great for videos, games, etc, but compressed size for our text reading. What that means is that our resolution should have gone up by the same percentage (72%) to just be as comfortable as a standard 15" monitor.
that's a resolution of 1761x1320. The new TF prime will eclipse that, but the current crop doesn't handle that. the ipad has 2048-by-1536 which is so good , its crazy. Its better than the websites were sized for by a good margin. the text is so clear, that it makes me want to browse sites on the ipad rather than my 1920x1200 monitor at home. Truthfully, we've never seen anything with this resolution before. I find it easier on my eyes than reading the paper, magazines, or anything else. I'm not a big reader because of eye strain, but i think i found something that may allow me to read books for real. I never liked the e-ink or any other tablet for reading before.
look, i'm not looking to sell this device, Apple has enough money and i'm afraid of them taking over the world. I'm just giving my honest opinion and review.
Transformer Infinity. The Prime is 1280x800. The Infinity was announced end of February with a 1920x1200 resolution, but no one cared. Now suddenly 1280x800 is not good enough where some people used to say 1024x768 was good enough versus 1280x800.
Actually, it was around CES in January.
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Transformer Infinity. The Prime is 1280x800. The Infinity was announced end of February with a 1920x1200 resolution but no one cared.
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based on what i've seen with the ipad, i will probably upgrade the tf101 to the infinity as long as it's not too expensive. needs to be no more than $499, like the ipad 3. when it slated to come out?
Asus definitely did something right with the tf101, it even looks like the first nexus tablet will be a partnership between these guys and google. All this review does is solidify how good the tf101 really is, almost a year later and it can contend with the new ipad, sure Big Brother has more apps, but how many people stuck with myspace before they finally realized facebook was "the new thing"
Lets be real here the only reason to get an iPad is for the app store to get apps that aren't available for Android. No one is going to be taking pictures of anything with the tablet they're going to look like retards with that huge thing to their head. After a day you'll forget about the screen so do what anyone else with the right mind would do and just return it and buy a refurbished iPad 2 and save a hundred and fifty bucks. Look on the bright side with the iPad 2 you won't have to worry about it heating up so much like the tons of reports on Mac forums and you won't have to deal with the yellow effect that everyone is getting. Just get the iPad 2, it even weighs less and saves you some cash to put into the new Asus Infinity Tablet coming soon.
Oh yea Ross Perot 2012
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Great review of both and like has been said a year on if the tf101 is competing and beating in some parts the new iPad then its still ok in my book,I think the 700 will be more of a match for the iPad3
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Lets be real here the only reason to get an iPad is for the app store to get apps that aren't available for Android. No one is going to be taking pictures of anything with the tablet they're going to look like retards with that huge thing to their head. After a day you'll forget about the screen so do what anyone else with the right mind would do and just return it and buy a refurbished iPad 2 and save a hundred and fifty bucks. Look on the bright side with the iPad 2 you won't have to worry about it heating up so much like the tons of reports on Mac forums and you won't have to deal with the yellow effect that everyone is getting. Just get the iPad 2, it even weighs less and saves you some cash to put into the new Asus Infinity Tablet coming soon.
Oh yea Ross Perot 2012
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No thanks. I put more value in the art than the tech. For me its 60/40.
I would pay the extra 100 anytime for this level of quality. Just as I will for the infinity.
"ars technica" has put up a very informative review (link to second page) about the new Note 10.1, showing clear indications that the 3GB RAM is quite slow.
The results also show the Note 3 having this problem, but not as much as the new Note 10.1. Many of the results are somewhat underwhelming which I don't feel will be truly overcome by upcoming software updates. "ars technica" in this review also shows attempts by Samsung to artificially improve the scores, the same as they did with the Note 3 (link).
B.t.w.: Many of the performance graphs in these 2 reviews are only visible by clicking the small pictures beneath the results.
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"ars technica" has put up a very informative review (link to second page) about the new Note 10.1, showing clear indications that the 3GB RAM is quite slow.
The results also show the Note 3 having this problem, but not as much as the new Note 10.1. Many of the results are somewhat underwhelming which I don't feel will be truly overcome by upcoming software updates. "ars technica" in this review also shows attempts by Samsung to artificially improve the scores, the same as they did with the Note 3 (link).
B.t.w.: Many of the performance graphs in these 2 reviews are only visible by clicking the small pictures beneath the results.
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What a terribly written review.
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What a terribly written review.
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Meaning: You had to click on some pictures to see all performance graphs?
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Meaning: You had to click on some pictures to see all performance graphs?
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The ars technica review write up was terribly done.
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The ars technica review write up was terribly done.
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The fact that they are taking the trouble to show clear evidence of "benchmark meddling" by Samsung in this review AND (as the only review site alert enough to) raise the issue of seemingly very poor memory performance based on some of the Note 10.1's performance graphs completely escaped you?
Did you look at the Geekbench 3.0 Multicore graph? Did you see how poorly the Note 10.1 performed in that graph in memory performance? Did you realise that beyond "fixable" poor Touchwiz performance this indicates a possible hardware design flaw by Samsung which would not be fixable?
With this knowledge, looking at the memory scores in other benchmarks in other reviews you can see these scores are nothing to write home about. What triggered the very poor performance in Geekbench 3.0 Multicore remains to be seen but other popular devices from LG, Apple etc. don't show this "flaw" and even excel there.
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The fact that they are taking the trouble to show clear evidence of "benchmark meddling" by Samsung in this review AND (as the only review site alert enough to) raise the issue of seemingly very poor memory performance based on some of the Note 10.1's performance graphs completely escaped you?
Did you look at the Geekbench 3.0 Multicore graph? Did you see how poorly the Note 10.1 performed in that graph in memory performance? Did you realise that beyond "fixable" poor Touchwiz performance this indicates a possible hardware design flaw by Samsung which would not be fixable?
With this knowledge, looking at the memory scores in other benchmarks in other reviews you can see these scores are nothing to write home about. What triggered the very poor performance in Geekbench 3.0 Multicore remains to be seen but other popular devices from LG, Apple etc. don't show this "flaw" and even excel there.
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Do you like arguing for the sake of arguing? I simply made a comment about the quality of the article you posted. I'm not even talking about the memory results.
Thanks for the POST OP. I don't really get it as a layman, so hopefully someone will explain this to me like I'm 5. Anyways the performance doesn't look too terribly bad. I went with the new 2014 model because I wanted one that's faster than the older model which I'm currently working with.
I never really cared for tablets before until I saw what I could do with the S-Pen. If it wasn't for the S-Pen I wouldn't get a tablet at all. That being said this tablet still seems like a worthwhile investment. I think it's a little odd that they called the article rubbish without really explaining why, but then this is a developer's forum so maybe i just don't see what is obvious to everyone else.
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Do you like arguing for the sake of arguing? I simply made a comment about the quality of the article you posted. I'm not even talking about the memory results.
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Do you like to troll topics with (what proves to be) irrelevant comments? And then criticize the OP for staying on-topic?
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Thanks for the POST OP. I don't really get it as a layman, so hopefully someone will explain this to me like I'm 5. Anyways the performance doesn't look too terribly bad. I went with the new 2014 model because I wanted one that's faster than the older model which I'm currently working with.
I never really cared for tablets before until I saw what I could do with the S-Pen. If it wasn't for the S-Pen I wouldn't get a tablet at all. That being said this tablet still seems like a worthwhile investment. I think it's a little odd that they called the article rubbish without really explaining why, but then this is a developer's forum so maybe i just don't see what is obvious to everyone else.
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I also have the old model and was (am still) looking forward to the 2014 model, which isn't for sale yet over here. It is indeed very nice to see such tablets come into existence where currently you can so far (professionally) only get very expensive dedicated displays to draw on. $550 / $599 can seem a huge sum for a tablet but besides replacing very expensive hardware now available it also opens up a market for creative children, beginning artists and the like. To me it seems very strange that 'graphically oriented' Apple has not yet realized their mistake and caught up with this development. Poor performance of the new Note 10.1 in some areas is unfortunate but given the many strengths it offers it remains a very welcome next step in tablet evolution imo.
Thanks for your response.
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Do you like to troll topics with (what proves to be) irrelevant comments? And then criticize the OP for staying on-topic?
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The article comes to quite the conclusion based on quite a bit of conjecture. I can see this discussion will lead no where though.
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Thanks for the POST OP. I don't really get it as a layman, so hopefully someone will explain this to me like I'm 5. Anyways the performance doesn't look too terribly bad. I went with the new 2014 model because I wanted one that's faster than the older model which I'm currently working with.
I never really cared for tablets before until I saw what I could do with the S-Pen. If it wasn't for the S-Pen I wouldn't get a tablet at all. That being said this tablet still seems like a worthwhile investment. I think it's a little odd that they called the article rubbish without really explaining why, but then this is a developer's forum so maybe i just don't see what is obvious to everyone else.
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The reviewer made a flawed conclusion based on a single benchmark and applied that conclusion to the results of another benchmark. Simply put, there are many more factors that the reviewer did not take into account.
Add to the fact that he skipped or was ignorant about the basic facts of the tablet, for example he did not know the stylus was a wacom and was pressure sensitive. He also makes quite the stink over the benchmark optimizations that the article immediately comes off as cynical and biased.
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I can see this discussion will lead no where though.
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Indeed, and (I) leave it at that.
Knock it Off Please
I see some arguing going on. Please keep it civil folks. Everybody is entitled to an opinion as long as it doesn't turn into a flame war.
No need for it to happen, so lighten up a little please.
Oh, and for general info, benchmark programs can be manipulated to produce favorable results. That's why we only use them for testing changes in kernels etc.
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Hmmmmm every review mentions the "lag" or the "poor performance" issue on the new galaxy note 10.1..I dont have the note 10.1 yet so I dont know exactly...but the lag that they are referring to in their videos is pretty minor IMO. I am currently using ipad 3 32gb with IOS 7 and seriously it lags like hack..esp when you try to pull up the control center or the search bar...and even scrolling apps is laggy..I really dont understand why ppl make it sound like its a huge disappointment or even a deal breaker...
Because they want to hate on Samsung for not being apple. My note 2 was slow at first because of the bloatware. I did a little research and removed only the things I wasn't going to use and turned off windows transitions and it's now quick and smooth. If you want to talk about cheating at benchmarks look here: http://techreport.com/news/25462/pretty-much-everyone-is-cheating-at-android-benchmarks
thx OP.
slow NAND is a huge, serious issue. if you own a ASUS TF700, you'll understand.
even with Browser2Ram, a lean + mean Scott's ROM, my TF700 is, in all honesty, a colossal waste of money, and next to my Nokia N97, probably my biggest regret in hardware purchase in the last five years. lags everywhere (app drawer, flipping through homescreens, doing pretty much anything, including netflix or playing mp3s). browser is constantly crashing now too, though i'm not sure if that's related.
anyhow, point is: ASUS cheaped out on the NAND, and the TF700 is a joke as a result.
if it's true that the GNOTE10.1 (2014) suffers from the same hardware issue, i think end users will be in a world of hurt. which sucks, because i really wanted this tablet to rock out. as i'm sure most of you know, ASUS is designing the new Nexus 10, but based on their track record with the Infinity, i'm not holding my breath that they won't load it with slow-ass NAND again.
(wasn't slow NAND also an issue with the Nexus 7? or have i got another tablet mixed up?)
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thx OP.
slow NAND is a huge, serious issue. if you own a ASUS TF700, you'll understand.
even with Browser2Ram, a lean + mean Scott's ROM, my TF700 is, in all honesty, a colossal waste of money, and next to my Nokia N97, probably my biggest regret in hardware purchase in the last five years. lags everywhere (app drawer, flipping through homescreens, doing pretty much anything, including netflix or playing mp3s). browser is constantly crashing now too, though i'm not sure if that's related.
anyhow, point is: ASUS cheaped out on the NAND, and the TF700 is a joke as a result.
if it's true that the GNOTE10.1 (2014) suffers from the same hardware issue, i think end users will be in a world of hurt. which sucks, because i really wanted this tablet to rock out. as i'm sure most of you know, ASUS is designing the new Nexus 10, but based on their track record with the Infinity, i'm not holding my breath that they won't load it with slow-ass NAND again.
(wasn't slow NAND also an issue with the Nexus 7? or have i got another tablet mixed up?)
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Asus isn't designing the neww nexus 10.. It's samsung..
And the DN10.1 2014 doesn't have hardwar issues, some lags with samsung bloat related with TW that will be fixed propably in a next patch. You can see the reviews of early owners on this forum and you'll see that everyone is satisfied with the GN 10.1 2014 tablet
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Asus isn't designing the neww nexus 10.. It's samsung..
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Sorry, but lots and lots of sources seem to disagree with you on this. Looks all but certain that the new Nexus 10 will be manufactured by Asus.
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thx OP.
slow NAND is a huge, serious issue. if you own a ASUS TF700, you'll understand.
even with Browser2Ram, a lean + mean Scott's ROM, my TF700 is, in all honesty, a colossal waste of money, and next to my Nokia N97, probably my biggest regret in hardware purchase in the last five years. lags everywhere (app drawer, flipping through homescreens, doing pretty much anything, including netflix or playing mp3s). browser is constantly crashing now too, though i'm not sure if that's related.
anyhow, point is: ASUS cheaped out on the NAND, and the TF700 is a joke as a result.
if it's true that the GNOTE10.1 (2014) suffers from the same hardware issue, i think end users will be in a world of hurt. which sucks, because i really wanted this tablet to rock out. as i'm sure most of you know, ASUS is designing the new Nexus 10, but based on their track record with the Infinity, i'm not holding my breath that they won't load it with slow-ass NAND again.
(wasn't slow NAND also an issue with the Nexus 7? or have i got another tablet mixed up?)
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Was never happy with my TF700. I expected it to be an ultrabook replacement. Instead it had such bad nand that it crashed almost constantly for me and could never be used for real work. That being said, you're confusing the issue here as the OP meant the ram and not the NAND. Bad Nand is indeed bad. Slower memory is less of a big deal, especially when you get 3gb to work with on the Note 10.1.
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Asus isn't designing the neww nexus 10.. It's samsung..
And the DN10.1 2014 doesn't have hardwar issues, some lags with samsung bloat related with TW that will be fixed propably in a next patch. You can see the reviews of early owners on this forum and you'll see that everyone is satisfied with the GN 10.1 2014 tablet
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Sorry, but lots and lots of sources seem to disagree with you on this. Looks all but certain that the new Nexus 10 will be manufactured by Asus.
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It's going to be made by Asus. I wish Asus could get their act together. They gave us terrible Nand in like 4 devices in a row. TF201, TF300, TF700, Galaxy Nexus 7. Like Nand that is literally slower than what you could buy at the store 5 years ago. For shame.
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I don't have the device yet, but where did you get slow NAND?
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And that Arstechnica article was a joke.
If you want to understand the memory benchmarks of Geekbench, have a look at this:
http://support.primatelabs.com/kb/geekbench/geekbench-3-benchmarks
And those dude who are comparing against G2 so much forgot that LG itself optimizes for few benchmarks.
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I don't have the device yet, but where did you get slow NAND?
And that Arstechnica article was a joke.
If you want to understand the memory benchmarks of Geekbench, have a look at this:
http://support.primatelabs.com/kb/geekbench/geekbench-3-benchmarks
And those dude who are comparing against G2 so much forgot that LG itself optimizes for few benchmarks.
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1- I agree ArsTechnica reviews are a joke. They should just stick with tech articles. Their LG G2 review was the worst. They made it sound like the worst phone in the whole world.
2-The charts above show storage speed. I thought we were talking about RAM speed?
Why would slow storage even cause lag in the interface?