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Hi everyone.
Since T-mobile´s version of HD2 is pretty different from the orginal HD2 and it requires a different rom, why not create a subforum only for this version? ..since it might get pretty messy with both types of rom mixed together in the same forum....
Some of the differences between HD2 and T-mobile HD2 version:
T-Mobile:
Radio - WCDMA/HSPA 1700/2100MHz
RAM: 576MB
ROM: 1GB
Standard version:
Radio - WCDMA/HSPA 900/2100MHz
RAM: 448MB
ROM: 512MB
and flashing it with the other rom might damage the phone! so yeah...
Just a thought...
Best regards
Claus
yes would like to see that
It would be nice. However I think it would depend on the developers. They probably don't want to maintain 2 threads if their rom supports both version.
Maybe someone could build a master list of their roms and sort them and maintain that list. Either in a thread here or google spreadsheet.
Yes I'd like that it'd be better i must say
Its an awful idea! If you split it into two different sections it would be much more difficult for someone to support both. In most cases someone would pick one or the other.. aka less rom's.
I disagree because there is too little to justify a whole new forum. If it was drastically different like CDMA and GSM then that would be necessary, but since they are both GSM, and the differences can be "easily solved" then we would just have to see which DEV supports which version in their own appropriate thread.
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I disagree because there is too little to justify a whole new forum. If it was drastically different like CDMA and GSM then that would be necessary, but since they are both GSM, and the differences can be "easily solved" then we would just have to see which DEV supports which version in their own appropriate thread.
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I think a new subforum would help. I only say this because there is danger of bricking your device if you flash the wrong ROM. That seems like a good enough reason to me. I'm sure there are other minor reasons at well that might not be known about yet.
Yeah, it shouldn't be that hard, since most of the roms out now won't work with TMOUS, its only right we have a sub-forum, It's a great IDEA
Its not the issue. The issue is that there are far too many LAZY people who either refuse to or dont read things.
If chefs label the threads properly with instructions, then there is NO need for a separate sub section. Go look at the HSPL thread and it already obvious that people cant be bothered reading one or two pages, so brick their phones.
Label things properly and there shouldnt be a problem. Brick your own phone for not reading, then its your own damn fault IMHO.
start a poll if they see enough people they will do it, I did the same thing in the tp2 for Android and once we got 100 votes they did it.
Oh well, it's the "I'm more important than others" mentality again.
It wouldn't be difficult for the devs to state which ROM is suitable for the T-Mob version, no need for another subforum, for more duplicate threads to maintain.
kenkiller said:
Oh well, it's the "I'm more important than others" mentality again.
It wouldn't be difficult for the devs to state which ROM is suitable for the T-Mob version, no need for another subforum, for more duplicate threads to maintain.
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first of all, what is the difference between a rom that works.. and one that doesn't?
and I don't think anyone has bricked their device by flashing a rom.. thats only when they flash the wrong hspl.
and I'd just like to say once again that making a new sub-forum is an awful idea.
We do not need a new forum. Thanks.
that's a great idea! vote for yes
t69broken said:
start a poll if they see enough people they will do it, I did the same thing in the tp2 for Android and once we got 100 votes they did it.
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foney said:
Its not the issue. The issue is that there are far too many LAZY people who either refuse to or dont read things.
If chefs label the threads properly with instructions, then there is NO need for a separate sub section. Go look at the HSPL thread and it already obvious that people cant be bothered reading one or two pages, so brick their phones.
Label things properly and there shouldnt be a problem. Brick your own phone for not reading, then its your own damn fault IMHO.
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EXACTLY! Thats my whole point to not agreeing with the separate sub forum. Since they are almost exactly the same, just different sized NAND space, and radio antennas, the "different" shape happens to all HTC phones when they are sent to US carriers, different colors, button styles. That right there never gets separate sub forums in any of the other device sections, unless different cellphone technologies are involved, like with CDMA or GSM.
No new forum should be added, since well, to much more work for something thats not needed.
foney said:
Its not the issue. The issue is that there are far too many LAZY people who either refuse to or dont read things.
If chefs label the threads properly with instructions, then there is NO need for a separate sub section. Go look at the HSPL thread and it already obvious that people cant be bothered reading one or two pages, so brick their phones.
Label things properly and there shouldnt be a problem. Brick your own phone for not reading, then its your own damn fault IMHO.
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The key word is IF.
Suppose they don't label the thread properly which DOES happen every once in a while and it could be bad.
~~Tito~~ said:
EXACTLY! Thats my whole point to not agreeing with the separate sub forum. Since they are almost exactly the same, just different sized NAND space, and radio antennas, the "different" shape happens to all HTC phones when they are sent to US carriers, different colors, button styles. That right there never gets separate sub forums in any of the other device sections, unless different cellphone technologies are involved, like with CDMA or GSM.
No new forum should be added, since well, to much more work for something thats not needed.
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The MyTouch and G1 are essentially the same phone in different packaging and they have their own forums and most of the ROMs are designed for both. It just makes for a cleaner forum.
dornstar said:
The MyTouch and G1 are essentially the same phone in different packaging and they have their own forums and most of the ROMs are designed for both. It just makes for a cleaner forum.
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That is wrong my friend. They are not. They have shared ROMs is because the SPL's are almost the same, they are different devices.
This is completely different from that.
dornstar said:
The key word is IF.
Suppose they don't label the thread properly which DOES happen every once in a while and it could be bad.
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I could be wrong, but who's HD2 was bricked from flashing the wrong ROM?
I know I've heard of a few from flashing the wrong HSPL, but I haven't seen even one about the wrong rom..
The key here is that, people need to read, and its not that hard to label a thread. Plain and simple, more complication isn't necessary. I know separation for different devices is important, for the same device, it shouldn't be needed.
We all know that american cellphone carriers always have European phones changed to fit their needs. Here they upped the ROM size, and made the phone 1mm taller for some reason. THAT is nothing really different.
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Well since there's no Accessories section i figured Ide post this here...
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I agree. I've tons of questions and opinions about the availabilty of (or lack of) accessories for this phone.
How do we go about requesting a new "T-Mobile USA HD2 Accessories" child added to the "T-Mobile USA HTC HD2" parent thread?
I realize there may be a section for this over at the Leo side, but this is where I come for my 1024, since there are too many ways to go wrong back over at the Euro side...
I'll second that motion, because there are some clear differences in the two models which makes buying proper accessories difficult. It'd help a lot to have a T-MobileUS specific section.
Two things need to be made clear to new users:
"Don't flash a ...51... series Radio to your TMOUS HD2, or it'll be bricked!"
"Don't buy a European HD2 case for your TMOUS HD2, because it won't fit!"
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I'm dying to find a good USB cradle.
+1 for this
me too! +1
Bump
I'm bumping this post because:
It got buried over the weekend to page 2.
I'm hoping the mods missed it due to the OP and plus-ones being written over the weekend.
I like to see my threads on the first page
Here's hoping...
even though this would be nice, I think we should be grateful to have a different section for ROM and General info. I really don't see the need for the different ROM section because I don't really look in the TMOUS section for ROM's personally because I know what to look for to make sure the ROM will work on my device, I know that this maybe for all the noobs around here (not calling you a noob) or people who need it in one space and don't want to search. I just kinda think that it is just making the site better then needed and I personal could deal without a driffrent section just for TMUS HD2's. I don't remember ever seeing different sections for GSM and CDMA version of different devices. I don't personally see this happing. Everyone is entitled to there own opinions though.
RKnight1983 said:
even though this would be nice, I think we should be grateful to have a different section for ROM and General info.
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Hence the "Request" and not the "Demand" Seriously though, I would be grateful if it were just a single root and 2,000 pages. This site is tremendous and I have been blown away from Day One with the assistance from other users that is given away freely here every day.
That being said, I don't think I'm being ungrateful in asking for one more section. If that is the way it seemed, please accept my humble apologies.
RKnight1983 said:
I really don't see the need for the different ROM section because I don't really look in the TMOUS section for ROM's personally because I know what to look for to make sure the ROM will work on my device, I know that this maybe for all the noobs around here (not calling you a noob) or people who need it in one space and don't want to search.
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Unfortunately, I did not originally know there was a difference. I had even picked out a (incompatible) ROM before looking for a Hard SPL. It was then that I stumbled upon the difference between the 512 and the 1024. It was also where I stumbled upon the "T-Mobile USA HTC HD2" root. Had it not been for the mistakes of others, who unfortunately bricked their phones learning the difference, I would have made the same rookie mistake.
As far as I can tell, this is the first time that a device difference this big has been released by HTC under the same general name (HD2, not Leo). This is the true source of the confusion, at least it was for me.
RKnight1983 said:
I just kinda think that it is just making the site better then needed and I personal could deal without a driffrent section just for TMUS HD2's. I don't remember ever seeing different sections for GSM and CDMA version of different devices. I don't personally see this happing. Everyone is entitled to there own opinions though.
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I haven't seen different sections for GSM and CDMA either, but then we are dealing with an entirely fresh set of eyes with this phone. If you read my "What Did You Go Through For The HD2?" thread, you'll see that a good portion of the posters there are professing to have switched from other Operating Systems from iPhone to Android to Blackberry.
That being said, I don't think that too many of the so-called "n00bs" are really that, just misinformed and new to HTC or even Windows Mobile. I am sure that it takes a certain mindset and tempermant to take your brand-new, roughly-obtained $500 gadget and attempt a maneuver that could possibly turn it into a big fat paper-weight. Thus, we are seeing a lot of new faces, but not necessarily naive ones.
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My PC keyboard died so I had to finish this with my phone
With the influx of new users, xda-developers will benefit by listening to the new users and adapting to increase the usability and manageability of the website.
The US version of this phone is slightly larger than the Euro version, making many of the existing accessories simply do not fit this device. This necessitates a definitive section that is clearly deliniated from the existing sections.
you certainly have the right too disagree and the mods have the right to ignore the request, but I also feel that it doesn't hurt to ask
Last bump.
If this doesn't get action, I'll drop it and start spamming the General board...
RKnight1983 said:
I don't remember ever seeing different sections for GSM and CDMA version of different devices. I don't personally see this happing. Everyone is entitled to there own opinions though.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=479
This is just an idea and may not be possible but Ive been following the thread on the new EURO firmware and was about to flash my Verizon tablet last night i did read thought all the posts but didn't see anything that stuck out enough for me to remember, about not flashing this firmware on a Verizon and T-mobile tab. Croak saved me a lot of time and frustration many props to him for the quick replay on my question. Now i did go back and looked at the thread and clubtech did edit a warning which may have been there last night i don't remember seeing it, thanks for that, but i looks like there are many more GSM models out there that CDMA. I believe i would be beneficial to everyone to split these tablets into there own sub categories it would help to also keep the posts and threads relevant to the particular hardware version. I guess this is kinda a petition to see if more of the XDA members agree
It's generally pretty safe to assume that any firmware, particularly if it includes a new radio/modem, will not be compatible with both types of device, it'll be one or the other, and as CDMA is pretty outdated technology-wise now, it's generally assumed to be GSM/WCDMA unless specified otherwise.
That said, the same issue exists with the HTC Hero and they have a separate sub-forum, although the CDMA version of that is significantly more common than the CDMA Tab. We'd probably end up diluting topics for a lot of common-to-both-devices subjects (apps/themes/maybe recovery etc)
I've been talking to svetius, the admin responsible for "User Experience" at XDA, and apparently the Desire Z and G2 forums are going to be merged very soon now.
So this is just a heads-up for everyone to expect this.
I think it's going to be a very very good thing, because after all the DZ and G2 are essentially the same phones and run the same custom ROMs, so it will be good to have everything in one place. I think it will also encourage people who develop things to check how they work on both the DZ and G2.
I've no idea how existing threads are going to be handled, but I'm sure the mods have it all in hand.
So soon, remember that we're going to be sharing an audience with G2 users, who of course have their own stock ROM, which don't have HTC Sense in. So when we post up about a basic problem with out phones, it's going to make it even more important to say which phone/ROM you have !
steviewevie said:
So soon, remember that we're going to be sharing an audience with G2 users, who of course have their own stock ROM, which don't have HTC Sense in. So when we post up about a basic problem with out phones, it's going to make it even more important to say which phone/ROM you have !
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Which is why it will be chaos.
New people, or complete fools will forget to, or not bother to write wether it is a Z or G2.
I think only the development forums should be merged.
DanWilson said:
Which is why it will be chaos.
New people, or complete fools will forget to, or not bother to write wether it is a Z or G2.
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That's no different for lots of other phones which have different ROMs in different areas though. We already have the issue within the DZ forum where people have Asian ROMs of various types, Bell ROMs, European ROMs etc. But we get along ok with that don't we ?
With my previous Touch Pro 2, we had one forum even though AT&T phones had a different ROM and keyboard layout (and a different name for the phone, i.e. Tilt 2, and that worked fine - e.g. all could run the same custom ROMs, just like the G2 and DZ can run the same custom ROMs.
steviewevie said:
That's no different for lots of other phones which have different ROMs in different areas though. We already have the issue within the DZ forum where people have Asian ROMs of various types, Bell ROMs, European ROMs etc. But we get along ok with that don't we ?
With my previous Touch Pro 2, we had one forum even though AT&T phones had a different ROM and keyboard layout (and a different name for the phone, i.e. Tilt 2, and that worked fine - e.g. all could run the same custom ROMs, just like the G2 and DZ can run the same custom ROMs.
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Just my opinion bro. Merge and there will be teething problems with giving help (G2 vs Z, Sense vs Stock, Bell vs Asia vs Europe. I know Bell will lose that fight against the continents though )
It will be tidier, and eventually cleaner, but I cba getting used to a new forum
DanWilson said:
Just my opinion bro. Merge and there will be teething problems with giving help (G2 vs Z, Sense vs Stock, Bell vs Asia vs Europe. I know Bell will lose that fight against the continents though )
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I agree with steviewevie. I'm also a refugee from the Touch Pro 2 forum. Including different carriers, versions, regions into the discussion is fine, as long as people remember to mention which version they have (have to be "gently" reminded from time to time), and there are enough people from your particular community that can give you help.
I'm pretty new to the DZ forum, and already I find myself having to search around on both forums to make sure I haven't missed a solution that the G2 owners have come up with. There is no significant difference between the G2 and the DZ, and it doesn't make sense for them to have separate forums.
Further to this, if you've caught up with postings over on the DZ side here, then why not hop over to the G2 forums if you haven't done so already, and see what they're discussing ?
You'll see it's pretty similar to over here, though sometimes they might come up with a problem before us DZ folks do, and vice versa.
woo about time, no more reading the same thread on 2 forums
about time! There is not enough difference in between the phones to keep them seperate. I imagine all you have to do at the beginning of a thread is say "this is for XXXXXX only" and that will make it pretty clear for most.
The Z forums are a joke, thank god for this....
The z forums are like a specials song "Ghost Town". I always hum that tune when im entering the land of the Z forum lol
JD
blunted09 said:
about time! There is not enough difference in between the phones to keep them seperate. I imagine all you have to do at the beginning of a thread is say "this is for XXXXXX only" and that will make it pretty clear for most.
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I had to chime in on this one...How many nbs do you find that actually READ the warnings?
It would be really useful if everyone had a signature making it clear which phone/ROM they have. But of course there will be plenty of newcomers who don't have that initially.
No matter what you try to introduce there will always be those that fall outside of the realms of stupidity, especially here on xda
Please tell me which you prefer:
1. Full Merge
Four forums (the usuals) for both the G2 and DZ
2. Dev Merge
Merge DZ with G2 dev forum, delete DZ dev forum (which will have zero threads). Keep individual G2/DZ forums for general, accessories, themes and apps.
Full merge, please.
Yep, Full merge please.
1. Full Merge.
Someone in the G2 thread has suggested merging all of them but keeping seperate General sections as a temp measure specifically for the noobs. What does everyone think?
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Full merge. Or that ^
Personally I don't see why the General sections need keeping on their own, from the TP2 forum I'm used to threads about AT&T stuff which don't affect me so I just ignore them, similarly I'd not be too bothered about T-Mobile-specific threads from G2 owners in a merged forum.
There are so many "General" issues in common between the two phones.
I guess a full merge isn't that bad. I see quite a few of the general forum topics are questions. Just gotta make sure keep em in the Q&A section.
Is it just me or its irritating seeing loads of posts abt US networks?? All op6t forums are clogging with threads for att, verizon and t mobile, can we not split US to separate forums like it happened in the past?
This hasn't typically happened with other devices that have defined varients based on location, e.g. my LG G6 has H870 (international) and also has US997.
They share the same forum, same goes for most samsungs - they get broke into their own sub sections for obvious processor reasons.
I doubt this will happen though as the OP6T shares mostly identical hardware amongst all varients, possibly even just being different radio firmware for the T-Mobile version.
It is unlikely. If you can just accept and adapt you'll be better off. If they were split then the information that is common for all devices could potentially be either duplicated or only posted in one area. It's swings and roundabouts. A naming convention for threads is much easier to maintain than individual sub-forums.