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Video updated. Daylight video comparison. Htc one vs S4 vs Xperia Z

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mol0mZz3Cg0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Sorry video updated!
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zodiac100 said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlx4_qlB6vA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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That daylight video looks a lot like it's taken in the evening:fingers-crossed::silly::highfive:

This very same video was allready posted in XZ forums. Its night video recording

Dsteppa said:
That daylight video looks a lot like it's taken in the evening:fingers-crossed::silly::highfive:
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I think Z again handled things best. S4 was again very close but just a bit over exposed and so the flowers looked duller. Also buildings had a tendency to look yellowish and it didn't handle fluctuations in light as well as the Z.
Htc one again, lags behind the others.
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HTC One and S4 sucked compared to XZ, my ranking is:
- Xperia Z: Good colors, looked good for me, also not bad in the details. But sometimes a little problem with refocusing
- SGS4: sometimes way too yellowish and overexposed, didn't look natural at all to me. You couldn't see all details sometimes because off all the overexposure sometimes. But some shots where very good.
- HTC One: also overexposed and too yellowish sometimes, details also not always great.

zodiac100 said:
I think Z again handled things best. S4 was again very close but just a bit over exposed and so the flowers looked duller. Also buildings had a tendency to look yellowish and it didn't handle fluctuations in light as well as the Z.
Htc one again, lags behind the others.
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Seen this yesterday. Agree with you 100%. The professional photographs tend to like the yellow tint version. Can't see why. There is a white car in the 1st clip. And the XZ clearly shows it white. But the s4 it looks a creamy sorta colour. Big fail for the HTC one though. Think you linked the wrong video.
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krabappel2548 said:
S4 sucked compared to XZ and HTC One, my ranking is:
- Xperia Z: Good colors, looked good for me, also not bad in the details
- SGS4: sometimes way too yellowish and overexposed, didn't look natural at all to me. You couldn't see all details sometimes because off all the overexposure sometimes.
- HTC One: also overexposed and too yellowish sometimes, details also not always great
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Krab your going to upset the professionals with that spot on analysis lol
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Well, why do they like the yellowish colors, it doesn't even look natural
And most reviews I've read aren't that good, of you read them you just know they had a preference for SGS4 or HTC One, but most of the time it was SGS4 though, probably Samsung pays them for good reviews, lol still XZ is a great phone
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droidhd said:
This very same video was allready posted in XZ forums. Its night video recording
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Do you mean this one http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2254487
LOL
The first thread failed and the OP decide to open a new one.
Boring....
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gm007 said:
Do you mean this one http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2254487
LOL
The first thread failed and the OP decide to open a new one.
Boring....
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Yea lol and I just saw it's from same person.

gm007 said:
Do you mean this one http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2254487
LOL
The first thread failed and the OP decide to open a new one.
Boring....
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Stupidity, I posted the wrong video by accident. What an idiot!
I know you love to bash the Zs camera and it upsets you to see the truth.
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zodiac100 said:
Stupidity, I posted the wrong video by accident. What an idiot!
I know you love to bash the Zs camera and it upsets you to see the truth.
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No i don't love to bash the Z's camera.
I am proud to be an XZ owner's but the camera fail in low light,something wrong with black levels,maybe a software issue.
In daylight XZ's camera is a winner here.
I am speaking the truth and i am sure about what i am saying,and if someone gives me an S4 for free i will not take it
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gm007 said:
and if someone gives me an S4 for free i will not take it
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Drop test? >
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zodiac100 said:
Stupidity, I posted the wrong video by accident. What an idiot!
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And there I thought that you got my hint when I wrote that it looked like it was filmed in the evening
- HTC one, should be renamed to HTC last, it really is the worst compared to the XZ and the S4
- S4 vs XZ it's a difficult battle because we don't know how the scenes look in real life (So not filmed). I guess the XZ has more natural colors, but it's a close battle. The S4 wins hands down in terms of clarity. The footage of the S4 showed more detail then the XZ, it's hard(er) to see at the flower part, but when buildings are being filmed you can clearly see more details coming from the S4 cam.
So it's a battle between natural colors or clarity/detail.
Step up your game Sony! Show us why people love your camera's soo much!

I think once Sony fix the re-focusing issue the Z has it will be brilliant. Its all in the software though, as if I run the stock JB camera application it doesnt do it nearly as much as the default Sony software..
Galaxy S4 looks yellowish.. I can only attribute this to a filter that has been applied to the camera lens in order to bring out the greens and blues... In the end it doesnt work very well.
The HTC One is a complete fail though... I almost bought the One, but went with the Z instead all because of the camera. So glad I went this way now as I use the camera all the time.

gm007 said:
I am speaking the truth and i am sure about what i am saying,and if someone gives me an S4 for free i will not take it
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I would gladly take the s4 and sell it. hehe .

Dsteppa said:
And there I thought that you got my hint when I wrote that it looked like it was filmed in the evening
- HTC one, should be renamed to HTC last, it really is the worst compared to the XZ and the S4
- S4 vs XZ it's a difficult battle because we don't know how the scenes look in real life (So not filmed). I guess the XZ has more natural colors, but it's a close battle. The S4 wins hands down in terms of clarity. The footage of the S4 showed more detail then the XZ, it's hard(er) to see at the flower part, but when buildings are being filmed you can clearly see more details coming from the S4 cam.
So it's a battle between natural colors or clarity/detail.
Step up your game Sony! Show us why people love your camera's soo much!
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The videos come from the same French tech site and I unwittingly copied the wrong link.
Innocent mistake. That's all. Well it's corrected now.
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Happy to see how Z works well in videos.

I don't know how come you guys make these evaluations above
Garden scene
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- One: Yellow tint, colors look fake (exactly like when capturing images with day light white balance mode)
- S4: Cannot say it's over-exposed this round. Better contrast (look at leaves at the top of trees - upperhalf of the photo). However, the flowers part - downer half of the photo - seem brighter (a little over exposed). I think it's a good balance. Very good details. A little bit over saturated (green looks greener)
- XZ: So over-exposed at the top of trees, but good in the downer half.
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- One: Nothing to say about the color. However, very nice bokeh effect, but the pay-off is the very aggressive refocusing.
- S4: This time we can say it's over exposed, but does not affect the quality much. A little bit bokeh effect
- XZ: Very nice this round, but no bokeh effect (maybe some people who prefer deeper DoV will not care abt it)
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Louvre scene
- One: very dull
- S4: Good white balance and contrast
- XZ: a little bit dull and purple tint
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I have been in Louvre many times, so I remember the color.
- One: A little yellow tint
- S4: A little over exposed, but nice and quite close to reality, best details
- XZ: pretty purple tint, not nice at all
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Paris street scene
- One: still dim
- S4: best details, bright
- XZ: very close to S4 this round
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- One: Not very dim, but quite over saturated and too yellow tint.
- S4: a little yellow tint, red color looks quite orange
- XZ: best color, but picture looks blurry
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- One: out focusing, looks blurry
- S4: a little bit over saturated (maybe, actually for this criteria we need a superior camera as the reference for evaluation). Again, very good details. Nice white balance
- XZ: quite nice overall, but still blurry and a little bit purple tint
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The rest followed a similar trend
- One: some scenes showed a big problem with exposure and make the brightness not stable and very dim
- S4: bright and very detailed, hard to say it's over exposed, but can say it's over saturated a little bit. Nice white balance
- XZ: overall is good, colors look true but a little bit purple tint

I agree, but I think Xperia Z has less over-saturated colors than S4, and less overcontrast, which produces more natural videos and more detail in shadows.

^^^^^ Agree agree.
The biggest loser here is overhyped HTC One.
Which was supposed to be so amazing after GSMArena test.

Nokia 925 Vs Htc One's camera. Nokia better?

Seems like Nokia 925 is giving HTC One's camera a run for its money.
It has similar features while have double the MPs and better low light performance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH_vPz6hcW0&list=HL1373932162

No one said the one's camera was the end all, be all of performance.
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No one said the one's camera was the end all, be all of performance.
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It is a major part of htc one. the main feature that set it aprt form the rest including dual speakers and 1080p screen res.
but for the camera to be better they had to cut down to 4mp.
Nokia seems to have achived better results with 8mp which is sad for me as a htc one owner.
Ofcourse nokia uses windows which truly sucks.

Something "better" always comes out after you purchase the "latest and greatest."
Performance is always improving and considering the 925 is an update on the 920, what did you expect?
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I think the camera in my 920 totally blew away the camera in my One, but I get the impression the One can still be improved with some software tweaks. The 920 wasn't awesome on the initial software either.
Sometimes though I get really great pictures out of my One, its just not very consistent.

RaXxaa said:
Nokia seems to have achived better results with 8mp which is sad for me as a htc one owner.
Ofcourse nokia uses windows which truly sucks.
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They HAVE to have one killer feature to make people forget that they'll never get any apps.
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Oh good grief. It's packing a slightly better camera but the same dual-core S4 processor that was in last year's One XL, only 16GB of storage, and an inferior 332ppi display. It's an obsolete phone and it hasn't even been released yet.

Well you couldn't have seriously thought the ones camera would be forever superior to all future devices...
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iElvis said:
Oh good grief. It's packing a slightly better camera but the same dual-core S4 processor that was in last year's One XL, only 16GB of storage, and an inferior 332ppi display. It's an obsolete phone and it hasn't even been released yet.
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Your other points were valid, but 332ppi inferior?
Like the cameras in our phones, people take ppi too seriously.

RaXxaa said:
It is a major part of htc one. the main feature that set it aprt form the rest including dual speakers and 1080p screen res.
but for the camera to be better they had to cut down to 4mp.
Nokia seems to have achived better results with 8mp which is sad for me as a htc one owner.
Ofcourse nokia uses windows which truly sucks.
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You don't need to hate on Nokia and windows. Why do you need more than 4MP? I doubt you have a single display higher than 2-3MP.
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eallan said:
You don't need to hate on Nokia and windows. Why do you need more than 4MP? I doubt you have a single display higher than 2-3MP.
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Holy cow that's a terrible argument.

Well, I have just swapped from Lumia 920 to HTC One and I knew straight away, that the upgrade will be a real camera downgrade, and not just because of megapixels.
HTC One's camera handles very poorly at very bright sun light, hdr is underperforming as well but other than that, it is more then enough for daily shots.
Moving from WP back to Android was absolutely worth it, I don't know why I was tempted to give WP a chance.
Very little quality apps, terrible battery life. The only thing I miss is the WP keyboard

henrybravo said:
Holy cow that's a terrible argument.
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Sure it is guy. That's why your rebuttal was so good
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eallan said:
Sure it is guy. That's why your rebuttal was so good
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Arguably, the Bayer filter makes it equivalent to a 1MP photo.
The filter basically means that the photo is in a Pentile layout. That means effective resolution compared to a theoretical RGB sensor is less.

RaXxaa said:
Seems like Nokia 925 is giving HTC One's camera a run for its money.
It has similar features while have double the MPs and better low light performance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH_vPz6hcW0&list=HL1373932162
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You should probably go buy the Nokia. Thank you.

I Am Marino said:
Your other points were valid, but 332ppi inferior?
Like the cameras in our phones, people take ppi too seriously.
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HTC One's 468ppi > Nokia's 332ppi
Therefore the Nokia's display is inferior to the HTC One's I'd say. At least on paper...

I Am Marino said:
Your other points were valid, but 332ppi inferior?
Like the cameras in our phones, people take ppi too seriously.
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My One X had a display in that range, and I could see the difference between the two. 332 isn't bad, it's just inferior to 468.

eallan said:
Sure it is guy. That's why your rebuttal was so good
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Ahh yes, you are correct - my uncharacteristically poor rebuttal was lame because it was 2 in the morning here and I was going to bed. I will get back to being myself below.
"Why do you need more than 4MP? I doubt you have a single display higher than 2-3MP"
Try cropping and zooming an image that is 4 mp versus one that is, say, 8 mp or higher, and you'll see what I'm talking about.
Let's take this photo for instance. It's one I just randomly pulled off the public internet, hence the watermark.
The original:
Cropped:
If this were a 4 mp photo, since I have cropped roughly 50% of the area of the photo, it would now be a 2 mp photo. Everyone will tell you, rightly, that a 2 mp photo these days is pretty unacceptable - no one remotely interested in taking good photos would buy a phone or camera with a 2 mp sensor. You can't print the photos very big and they will just look soft. You can argue that the photographer should have just been closer to the people to begin with and framed the shot better in the first place. Well, in the world of walking around with a smartphone, when taking candid unplanned photos it is impossible to always frame the shot to the point where cropping isn't desirable.
Now I'm not saying people that are manipulating photos like this will necessarily be the type to use a 4 mp smartphone camera, but it does happen. Recently I took a picture of one of my sons at his graduation using my HTC One (my wife had the Canon DSLR camera). The picture quality was good, but there was a jubilent kid within the frame of the shot giving the "devil horns" symbol and sticking his tongue out to someone. When I cropped this kid out of the shot, I was left with basically a 2 mp photo. Had this picture been taken on 10-20 mp camera for example (a common pixel count range for middle to upper-middle quality cameras these days) the final result would have been a much more acceptable 5-10 mp. Of course, more megapixels is not always better (sensor quality is paramount), but that is an entirely different topic that's been discussed ad nauseum.

The problem is that most here on xda think cell phone companies are only manufacturing devices for us here on xda. Which we're only a small percentage.
Cell phone companies are manufacturing devices for the general consumer which excludes us since we have a more understanding of how things or some things work and know they can work better.
My point is that the general consumer, well most, will never crop nor will go and print out a poster size picture they took with their mobile device. They are just going to snap a shot, share it on a social site or to a friend or family.
By the way, didn't mean to thank you on your other post. Freebie

RaXxaa said:
Seems like Nokia 925 is giving HTC One's camera a run for its money.
It has similar features while have double the MPs and better low light performance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH_vPz6hcW0&list=HL1373932162
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Use HDR, that guy probably used night mode for HTC One. Nokia also uses some kind of software editing after it takes the picture to make it brighter.
Here is a HDR Photo in extreme low light. The only light in the room is that light comes from monitor.
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And same image with night mode
And this is from HTC Sensation, low light mode

Camera Tests Z1 - Post your pics here...

Camera Really is good!
http://cdn.recombu.com/mobile/images/news/M19527/1378734152.jpg
http://cdn.recombu.com/mobile/images/news/M19527/1378734206.jpg
http://cdn.recombu.com/mobile/images/news/M19527/1378734309.jpg
http://cdn.recombu.com/mobile/images/news/M19527/1378734366.jpg
http://cdn.recombu.com/mobile/images/news/M19527/1378734396.jpg
and in gsmarena have some samples too
http://blog.gsmarena.com/sony-xperi...d-to-nokia-lumia-1020s-41mp-pureview-monster/
Nokia 1020
http://cdn.gsmarena.com/pics//13/09/xperia-z1-vs-nokia-lumia-1020/camera/gsmarena_001.jpg
Xperia Z1
http://cdn.gsmarena.com/pics//13/09/xperia-z1-vs-nokia-lumia-1020/camera/gsmarena_002.jpg
Nokia 1020
http://cdn.gsmarena.com/pics//13/09/xperia-z1-vs-nokia-lumia-1020/camera/gsmarena_005.jpg
Xperia Z1
http://cdn.gsmarena.com/pics//13/09/xperia-z1-vs-nokia-lumia-1020/camera/gsmarena_006.jpg

matheus_sc said:
Camera Really is good!
and in gsmarena have some samples too
http://blog.gsmarena.com/sony-xperi...d-to-nokia-lumia-1020s-41mp-pureview-monster/
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Link for the pics??? how are we supposed to evaluate 250x250 pixel photos
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recombu.com
guess I didn't see the writing on the wall...but a link would have been easier

shea-bird said:
Link for the pics??? how are we supposed to evaluate 250x250 pixel photos
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recombu.com
guess I didn't see the writing on the wall...but a link would have been easier
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in gsm have full quality pics, i pick the links and add in topic.

It seems much better than xperia z!!!

Not impressive. Not much better than other phones with smaller sensors. Others even have OIS which the Z1 lacks. It can only shoot in 8MP in 16:9 and with the default superior auto mode. The resolution is no better than other cameras, nor the pixel size. It always amazes me how Sony can screw up using their own sensors, like they did with the Xperia Z, when other companies can use their Exmor RS sensors and do wonders, like Samsung and Apple. These images aren't convincing me of the ONE SONY. The Cybershot division is probably hanging up their phones and turning up their noses in disgust whenever the smartphone division tries to collaborate. Old traditions and rivalries die hard. They sure aren't gonna divulge any secrets for such petty things as CELLPHONE cameras.

katamari201 said:
Not impressive. Not much better than other phones with smaller sensors. Others even have OIS which the Z1 lacks. It can only shoot in 8MP in 16:9 and with the default superior auto mode. The resolution is no better than other cameras, nor the pixel size. It always amazes me how Sony can screw up using their own sensors, like they did with the Xperia Z, when other companies can use their Exmor RS sensors and do wonders, like Samsung and Apple. These images aren't convincing me of the ONE SONY. The Cybershot division is probably hanging up their phones and turning up their noses in disgust whenever the smartphone division tries to collaborate. Old traditions and rivalries die hard. They sure aren't gonna divulge any secrets for such petty things as CELLPHONE cameras.
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It's the 3rd post made by you in which you act like a baby. I ask again, what is your problem? Don't post at all if the only thing you have to say is that sony screwed everyone and everything. You repeat it over and over again in every reply I have seen in Z1 part of the forum.
Get out of here if you can't act like a normal human being!

katamari201 said:
Not impressive. Not much better than other phones with smaller sensors. Others even have OIS which the Z1 lacks. It can only shoot in 8MP in 16:9 and with the default superior auto mode. The resolution is no better than other cameras, nor the pixel size. It always amazes me how Sony can screw up using their own sensors, like they did with the Xperia Z, when other companies can use their Exmor RS sensors and do wonders, like Samsung and Apple. These images aren't convincing me of the ONE SONY. The Cybershot division is probably hanging up their phones and turning up their noses in disgust whenever the smartphone division tries to collaborate. Old traditions and rivalries die hard. They sure aren't gonna divulge any secrets for such petty things as CELLPHONE cameras.
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Sony doesn't have OIS because it doesn't need them, they already have Steadyshot which is a hardware + software stabilizer...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SteadyShot
". It uses motion sensors to detect the user's movements. SteadyShot then compensates for some of these movements, in some versions by moving the optics and in some versions by moving the image sensor in an opposite direction to the movement."
only time will tell who is better...
Go buy your G2 or HTC, we will buy the Z1, and lets see who will be the first to sell his phone

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Sony doesn't have OIS because it doesn't need them, they already have Steadyshot which is a hardware + software stabilizer...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SteadyShot
". It uses motion sensors to detect the user's movements. SteadyShot then compensates for some of these movements, in some versions by moving the optics and in some versions by moving the image sensor in an opposite direction to the movement."
only time will tell who is better...
Go buy your G2 or HTC, we will buy the Z1, and lets see who will be the first to sell his phone
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Actually, for some time already Sony is using digital version of Steadyshot for video cameras and even in their flagship DSLT's.
It gives results comparable to sensor shift stabilisation but without drawbacks like increased power consumption and heat generation.
So in case of video recording that is good that they have included Steadyshot for video recording that really makes a difference and isn't only typical digital stabilisation with different name.

Thanks for those examples not looking bad at all at this stage.

katamari201 said:
Not impressive. Not much better than other phones with smaller sensors. Others even have OIS which the Z1 lacks. It can only shoot in 8MP in 16:9 and with the default superior auto mode. The resolution is no better than other cameras, nor the pixel size. It always amazes me how Sony can screw up using their own sensors, like they did with the Xperia Z, when other companies can use their Exmor RS sensors and do wonders, like Samsung and Apple. These images aren't convincing me of the ONE SONY. The Cybershot division is probably hanging up their phones and turning up their noses in disgust whenever the smartphone division tries to collaborate. Old traditions and rivalries die hard. They sure aren't gonna divulge any secrets for such petty things as CELLPHONE cameras.
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Superior auto in demo is beta, said em some videos.
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Wishmaster89 said:
It's the 3rd post made by you in which you act like a baby. I ask again, what is your problem? Don't post at all if the only thing you have to say is that sony screwed everyone and everything. You repeat it over and over again in every reply I have seen in Z1 part of the forum.
Get out of here if you can't act like a normal human being!
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Though the Xperia Z1 easily aces through the rest, he feels extremely insecure about Sony grand success. Don't worry. It's normal for a Samsung fanboy. Even Recombu, the one who took and posted the photos say XPERIA Z1 is the winner.

It's true, maybe the camera from z1 is not very good, but that's probably because of firmware. I took some photos in low light conditions and pictures are full of noise.. Let's wait for some updates.

Some real positives in this test, look great compared to the 808 and HTC One mini.
http://mblog.gsmarena.com/a-shootou...8-pureview-shows-great-promise-from-the-sony/
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Maybe is best Android smartphone camera until now.
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matheus_sc said:
Maybe is best Android smartphone camera until now.
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It's looking that way
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matheus_sc said:
Maybe is best Android smartphone camera until now.
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You mean it is the best camera now! Just needs the software to be update then will be perfect!

Sony Xperia Z1 vs Nokia Lumia 1020 shootout surfaces, yields surprising results
http://blog.gsmarena.com/sony-xperi...d-to-nokia-lumia-1020s-41mp-pureview-monster/

Xperia-Lover said:
It seems much better than xperia z!!!
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Not it's not, also the 20Mpxl pics are resampled to 8MPxl by the phone with bad compression system :
http://www.androidpit.fr/test-sony-xperia-z1
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Maybe it's due to bad settings etc... we can make easy extrapolations but the camera doesn't seems to be really better than the Z, and it's still worst than the latest Lumia, Carl Zeiss stuff can't be beat...

QualQuek said:
Not it's not, also the 20Mpxl pics are resampled to 8MPxl by the phone with bad compression system :
http://www.androidpit.fr/test-sony-xperia-z1
Maybe it's due to bad settings etc... we can make easy extrapolations but the camera doesn't seems to be really better than the Z, and it's still worst than the latest Lumia, Carl Zeiss stuff can't be beat...
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Wow,Hope the upgrade will solve those problems!

Xperia-Lover said:
Wow,Hope the upgrade will solve those problems!
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you are right when i purchase htc one photo quality very poor then i update one then photo quality improved
i think update improve quality

Engadget Review

Engadget Review is out:
http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/24/sony-xperia-z1-review/
looks like they have some nice words for the Z1.
I will get my Z1 sometime this week and we'll see how it turns out, but im quite optimistic :victory:.

The benchmarks of this review are wrong
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theres one problem with everyone regarding sony phones they never ever like them they always like the samsung iphones and htc
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The benchmarks of this review are wrong
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Just got mine, still 518 fw though
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theres one problem with everyone regarding sony phones they never ever like them they always like the samsung iphones and htc
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Yes you're right, but considering how engadget gives it's critics to other devices, I think it says allot that they are pretty pleased with the Z1
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They fail to point out that all the camera issues can be fixed with a software update!

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They fail to point out that all the camera issues can be fixed with a software update!
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a camera update isnt going to make the camera better than the lumia 1020. the problem with the engadget review is they compare it only to the 1020. 42 mp sensor vs 21 not really a fair comparison. No amount of software updates are gonna make them even.
Never the less i turned off x reality and have seen an improvement in battery life. Gotta thank this review for that

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a camera update isnt going to make the camera better than the lumia 1020. the problem with the engadget review is they compare it only to the 1020. 42 mp sensor vs 21 not really a fair comparison. No amount of software updates are gonna make them even.
Never the less i turned off x reality and have seen an improvement in battery life. Gotta thank this review for that
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Software updates can address the Xperia Z1's current issues (noise, etc) and I never expected its camera to be on par or even exceed Illumina's 1020...

TheCraig said:
Software updates can address the Xperia Z1's current issues (noise, etc) and I never expected its camera to be on par or even exceed Illumina's 1020...
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then you dont understand camera sensors and I would suggest you read more on what makes a camera good. Lumia 1020 has a better sensor and no matter how good the xperia z1 may be, it cant reach lumia 1020 level. If it by some miracle does, that means nokia should update their lumia software and it would beat the z1 again.

billybobjones said:
then you dont understand camera sensors and I would suggest you read more on what makes a camera good. Lumia 1020 has a better sensor and no matter how good the xperia z1 may be, it cant reach lumia 1020 level. If it by some miracle does, that means nokia should update their lumia software and it would beat the z1 again.
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.. did you even bother to read the post you were responding to?
Anyways, considering the Z1 didn't ship with its final camera firmware it's been doing pretty well for itself so far. Very excited to see what improvements will come when the proper software is released.

billybobjones said:
then you dont understand camera sensors and I would suggest you read more on what makes a camera good. Lumia 1020 has a better sensor and no matter how good the xperia z1 may be, it cant reach lumia 1020 level. If it by some miracle does, that means nokia should update their lumia software and it would beat the z1 again.
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If you actually read my post then you would know I accept that the Z1 can not match the 1020. Take the time to read instead of jumping to conclusions before you get to the end of the sentence.
And as far as my sensor understanding goes there are two types, CCD and CMOS. The Exmor happens to be a CMOS, CCD normally has less noise with CMOS having more noise, I also think that CMOS is MUCH more power efficient, CCD also captures more light. It's not much but its more than what the average consumer knows.
Anyway you got that from my initial post? Did I even say the Xperia Z1 has a camera even rivaling the 1020? My post was a sentence and you didn't get to the end.

So I read the review (I've been thinking about buying this phone, as I need a camera, and a new phone), and I noticed that Engadget said:
To explore this, we had to switch back to manual mode and set resolution to 20.7MP again. It's worth noting that this kills a bunch of camera options, such as HDR, scene selection and digital image stabilization -- but it was the only way to push the Z1's sensor to its limits.
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This made me sad. Does this mean that the phone won't take 20MP HDR photos?
Other than that, it seems to be a good phone.
Connor Baker

TheCraig said:
If you actually read my post then you would know I accept that the Z1 can not match the 1020. Take the time to read instead of jumping to conclusions before you get to the end of the sentence.
And as far as my sensor understanding goes there are two types, CCD and CMOS. The Exmor happens to be a CMOS, CCD normally has less noise with CMOS having more noise, I also think that CMOS is MUCH more power efficient, CCD also captures more light. It's not much but its more than what the average consumer knows.
Anyway you got that from my initial post? Did I even say the Xperia Z1 has a camera even rivaling the 1020? My post was a sentence and you didn't get to the end.
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Hey sorry just looking out from in the guy your debating with actually said he does not think that the z1 can keep up with the Nokia but hopes that a update can help with some noise issues and softness , not to beat the Nokia but to overall help with the IQ of the z1. Hope that helps. And software can help with image quality as in proper exposure and the right ISO and shutter speed settings when in auto. Its true that you can not help grain pattern because this is a sensor specific thing but the amount of grain or noise can be helped and the amount of processing e.g sharpening can also be helped with software.
Z1 has great specs they need to work on the software to help it shine.
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TheCraig said:
If you actually read my post then you would know I accept that the Z1 can not match the 1020. Take the time to read instead of jumping to conclusions before you get to the end of the sentence.
And as far as my sensor understanding goes there are two types, CCD and CMOS. The Exmor happens to be a CMOS, CCD normally has less noise with CMOS having more noise, I also think that CMOS is MUCH more power efficient, CCD also captures more light. It's not much but its more than what the average consumer knows.
Anyway you got that from my initial post? Did I even say the Xperia Z1 has a camera even rivaling the 1020? My post was a sentence and you didn't get to the end.
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I read through all the posts and no where did you state it would be better or even match the 1020 with a software update you just mentioned it needs a software update to get the best out of the Z1 camera.
I agree the camera should be way better than what it is and if it can produce a clean image with minimal noise AND fix that superior auto then that is all that matters imho.
There is a lot of potential in this phone and I hope Sony can really get the most out of it.

I think we can all agree that it isn't challenging the 1020 at the moment and isn't likely to do so. But yeah software updates to clear up the current issues should help a lot.

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I think we can all agree that it isn't challenging the 1020 at the moment and isn't likely to do so. But yeah software updates to clear up the current issues should help a lot.
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Took some proper photos outside today and detail was fine but for some reason lighting was a bit ****ed up... It came out a bit dark.. They really need to fix the camera firmware ASAP!

[PHOTOS] OnePlus One user photo and video discussion thread

This is the OnePlus One user photo and camera discussion thread
Camera features:
Image sensor: Sony BSI Exmor IMX214 CMOS, 1/3.06" sensor size
Lens: F2.0, 6-element auto-focus system
Maximum photo resolution: 4160x3120, 13 megapixels
Front facing camera: 5 megapixels w/80º wide angle
Maximum video resolution: 3840x2160 = 4k at 30FPS, 1920x1080 at 60FPS, 1280x720p at 120FPS
Features: HDR, panorama, image stabilization, face detection, tap to focus, geo-tagging, face-detection
The official OnePlus One camera samples
For more info, full size and EXIF, please visit the OnePlus website here: http://oneplus.net/one#features

If this photos are true i can only say " Its Amazing great!! "
Cheers

xenix96 said:
If this photos are true i can only say " Its Amazing great!! "
Cheers
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The IMX214 is a very capable sensor, and 1+'s ISP (Qualcomm?) looks quality too. Of course much will depend on speed, reliability and low light, I'll be looking to find more shots.

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The IMX214 is a very capable sensor, and 1+'s ISP (Qualcomm?) looks quality too. Of course much will depend on speed, reliability and low light, I'll be looking to find more shots.
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As soon as the first users here own a device, this thread will be flooded with shots, I'm sure...

Not my picture but this was my favourite from some of the ones I saw from preproduction models.
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I certainly hope that with real world conditions it can deliver quality like shown above.

The best part is the 2 sensors that i have noticed that perform beautifully are the IMX179 and IMX214. Obvious 214 will be even better for sure.. Really hope they launch the phone around the different parts of the world soon.
Low light capabilities are incredible, if you search you will understand that how its better than A Nikon D3100 in low light.

Jishnu Sur™ said:
The best part is the 2 sensors that i have noticed that perform beautifully are the IMX179 and IMX214. Obvious 214 will be even better for sure.. Really hope they launch the phone around the different parts of the world soon.
Low light capabilities are incredible, if you search you will understand that how its better than A Nikon D3100 in low light.
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Are you going to be picking up this device? I don't care much for cameras but this caught my eye and since you're on here I'm even more excited about the camera.
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FuMMoD said:
Are you going to be picking up this device? I don't care much for cameras but this caught my eye and since you're on here I'm even more excited about the camera.
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Hello Sir !
Nice to see you here too..I'm trying to get this device from Europe somehow.. Seems too good to be true! What interests me is the IMX214 sensor lol..I really need that system dump too!

Jishnu Sur™ said:
Hello Sir !
Nice to see you here too..I'm trying to get this device from Europe somehow.. Seems too good to be true! What interests me is the IMX214 sensor lol..I really need that system dump too!
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You can be sure to get one from me if I get picked with the first batch of invites. If I have to smash my Nexus 5 then I'll do it to get a system dump for the community lol.
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Jishnu Sur™ said:
The best part is the 2 sensors that i have noticed that perform beautifully are the IMX179 and IMX214. Obvious 214 will be even better for sure.. Really hope they launch the phone around the different parts of the world soon.
Low light capabilities are incredible, if you search you will understand that how its better than A Nikon D3100 in low light.
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A good Sony IMX sensor with a proper lens and image signal processor can bring wonderful images, see iPhone 5S. Which is why I'm puzzled to this day how come Sony's own Xperia Z, Z1 and even some Z2 shots look so over-processed, showing some lens inconsistencies and some SW errors too. Both the Oppo Find 7 and the OnePlus One launch with the new IMX214, and I'm curious how will they fare compared to other Exmors, the Lumias and ISOCELL. So far it is promising.

FuMMoD said:
You can be sure to get one from me if I get picked with the first batch of invites. If I have to smash my Nexus 5 then I'll do it to get a system dump for the community lol.
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Cool ! I'll start arranging the money then! hahahaha .. Yes that would be awesome. This thing is surely worth the price they are asking.
Off topic : Thanks are over, cant press Sorry! :crying:
BoneXDA said:
A good Sony IMX sensor with a proper lens and image signal processor can bring wonderful images, see iPhone 5S. Which is why I'm puzzled to this day how come Sony's own Xperia Z, Z1 and even some Z2 shots look so over-processed, showing some lens inconsistencies and some SW errors too. Both the Oppo Find 7 and the OnePlus One launch with the new IMX214, and I'm curious how will they fare compared to other Exmors, the Lumias and ISOCELL. So far it is promising.
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I agree with you on the Sony Devices part. I have seen that actually. Sony likes to complicate stuff, i really don't know why. Where they can have a easy way to fi thing, they go the other way. Trust me they have 3-4 different apps for the camera. You tell me who in 2014 does that?! lol .. And I read an article, the ISOCELL vs the IMX179 comparison. (Here). The IMX was better
I really need to have a look at the Lumia's though, they have almost DSLR type quality..

The S5 camera is much, MUCH better than the Nexus 5 to be frank. But the IMX214 is a new generation Sony sensor.

aren't you guys a bit scared about the camera app?
i've tried few phones with cyanogen camera app and they were all a lot worst than the original rom camera app (samsung devices especially)
at least this time they are working on their hardware so i really hope it'll be a lot better

Nirael said:
aren't you guys a bit scared about the camera app?
i've tried few phones with cyanogen camera app and they were all a lot worst than the original rom camera app (samsung devices especially)
at least this time they are working on their hardware so i really hope it'll be a lot better
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their camera on this phone is completely new and we have seen the pictures right? i dont think it will suck

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The IMX214 is a very capable sensor, and 1+'s ISP (Qualcomm?) looks quality too. Of course much will depend on speed, reliability and low light, I'll be looking to find more shots.
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if picture #3 is indeed the correct photo here low light looks amazing
https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/contest-guess-the-oneplus-one-photo.368/
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You can be sure to get one from me if I get picked with the first batch of invites. If I have to smash my Nexus 5 then I'll do it to get a system dump for the community lol.
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if you do that the community may have to buy you another nexus to have you keep developing for it :crying: "for the community"

jeremykersh said:
if picture #3 is indeed the correct photo here low light looks amazing
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Remember that these pictures are taken directly from OP's press page—they might have been doctored/photoshopped. On the other hand, I'd be amazed if the camera actually was this good.

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Remember that these pictures are taken directly from OP's press page—they might have been doctored/photoshopped. On the other hand, I'd be amazed if the camera actually was this good.
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Depending on scene and light conditions, today's smartphones can take impressive photos, see some form my S5 review. As far as dynamic range and per pixel sharpness, 1+1 fits right in among the best of Android photography based on what I've seen so far.

Some of these look really good.
She's a cutie too.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/First-camera-samples-from-the-OnePlus-One-appear_id55043#32-

She is not that bad