I've just been reading the press release for the Samsun Vibrant, and T-Mobile says that the Vibrant has a six-axis sensor, which leads me to question, does this thing actually have a gyroscope? I've never heard anyone refer to a normal accelerometer as "six axis".
I believe that the six axis sensor is a gyroscope from a similar article that was posted for the VERIZON variant on phandroid tonight. Heres the link and if you read thru the article you will see where they kinda "confirm" that it is indeed a gyroscope.
phandroid.com/2010/06/27/verizon-wireless-announces-the-samsung-fascinate-another-galaxy-s-smartphone/
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Upon re-reading the article, IMO, its a toss up for me at the moment as to whether this is a true gyroscope, but im hopeful.
It does have a gyroscope.
The main difference between a gyro and an accelerometer is that a gyro can tell the difference between acceleration due to gravity and acceleration due to actual movement. It's a difference that sounds subtle until you try to implement something like an inverted pendulum (think: Segway or 2-wheeled balancing robot).
You can TRY to compensate by making use of background knowledge you have about the way the universe works (acceleration due to gravity is absolutely constant when the object is otherwise "motionless", whereas human-induced motion is never, ever going to be smooth or constant), but you're going to have zones of confusion where the algorithm just can't tell the difference between two different gestures.
A good analogy is the way multitouch works on the Nexus One and most other Android phones. By paying attention to the order in which the row-column virtual switches "close" and the way they change relative to each other, you can easily implement useful pinch-zoom. But try to implement virtual shiftkeys on a virtual keyboard with the keys rendered in their traditional positions, and your multitouch attempt will fail spectacularly when it can't reliably tell the difference between ctrl-w, ctrl-tab, alt-w, and alt-tab. Likewise, you can implement rough game control with accelerometers alone, but they'll work best in virtual tennis rackets, golf clubs, and bowling balls, where you have a hard swinging gesture through an arc followed by a sudden deceleration at the end that's easy to detect. Nintendo's choice of games for Wii Sports wasn't due to market research or coincidence... they picked the best use cases for using accelerometers alone as game controls.
Same Touch Controller as HTC Incredible and HTC EVO 4G which hav been praised for their touch responsiveness! Just wondering if anyone knows if there is any source of it being used in the HTC Desire HD! =)
Atmel maXTouch Specifications (single-chip touch solution highlights)
[*]Unlimited touches
[*]Low power consumption
[*]Fast response — completely redraws screen every 4/1000 of a second (4ms) to eliminate recalibration issues
[*]Excellent signal-to-noise ratio for superior precision — 3x better than competitive products
[*]Superior performance for first-touch response — 3x better than competitive products
[*]Unambiguous, unlimited touch support
[*]Responsive user interface: > 250 Hz report rate for a single touch
[*]Extremely low current consumption: < 1.8 mW in “touch-ready” state
[*]Two touch adjacency of less than 10 mm on a 4.3″ touchscreen
[*]Small footprint with few external components
[*]Supports stylus, fingernails, and gloves
[*]Grip and face suppression functionality: avoids false touches
[*]Size and angle of touch supported
[*]Screen sizes up to 10.2″ are supported by a single chip
[*]Proximity channel support
That description states unlimited touches, but from videos of the DHD, the max is four touches...
Maybe it was just the app used to test the touch sensor? idk
But this should be the same touch panel used on the EVO because HTC like reusing parts a lot. Especially since they already have the right size (4.3") from the EVO.
SupremeBeaver said:
That description states unlimited touches, but from videos of the DHD, the max is four touches...
Maybe it was just the app used to test the touch sensor? idk
But this should be the same touch panel used on the EVO because HTC like reusing parts a lot. Especially since they already have the right size (4.3") from the EVO.
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Don't mind it so much when they are reusing good parts
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Don't mind it so much when they are reusing good parts
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The chip in the EVO 4G supports an unlimited amount of touches in theory.
On the subject of Desire HD I would like to find out if it uses the maxTouch chip from Atmel or not. Some tests I've done with "Touch test" (from Market) suggests that it's not. Look at the wobble that can be observed when doing a diagonal line.
I think the Desire HD comes with four different touch panels.
In the leaked Chinese unofficial ROM I was able to find these files: tp_ACE_SYN3KT0108.img, tp_ACE_SYN3KW020B, tp_atmel224_20aa.img and tp_atmelc12_20aa.img
The touch panel installed on my device is the SYN3KW_020b (checked by rebooting into the S-OFF bootloader and selected the "System Info" menu option.
Do you see a wobbling line traced on your screen when running the "Touch test". The trace line should be drawn diagonal acorss the screen.
The chip reading the touch panel on your phone is probably from the Synaptics Clearpad 3000 Series.
synaptics.com/sites/default/files/CP3000_190-000023-01-Rev-A.pdf
SYN3KW_020b
SYN = Synaptics
3K = 3000 Series
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/09/samsung-to-ditch-two-multitouch-features-offers-deal-on-third-in-australia.ars
Throughout the proceedings, the numerous claims Apple brought were essentially reduced to three patent infringement issues, including two for certain multitouch-related features and one that relates to how multitouch-capable touchscreens are manufactured. Samsung agreed on Thursday to remove features that use certain heuristics to filter out "accidental" touch input as well as the "zoom bounce" effect that the iPhone uses when zooming past the minimum or maximum zoom level.
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So... will Tabs outside of Australia be affected due to some "updates" too?
Zoom bounce is annoying. I'd like to see that one go away.
Apple have rejected Samsung's proposed settlement, so it's all moot now.
new press release from Samsung Africa: ( not much confirmation elsewhere yet)
-steveblue
Samsung has announced the upgrade of the S-pen stylus for the Samsung Galaxy Note with added features to increase the user experience.
The S Pen that is currently available with the Galaxy Note is as an input device that enables quick and precise key in into the Galaxy Note which acts more like a real pen than the usual stylus accompanied with smartphones. The upgraded S Pen SDK 1.5 has the same great quality of functioning as well as added features to enhance the user experience on the Samsung Galaxy Note.
“We have had a phenomenal reaction to this product since its launch locally in November 2011, and as this product is a first of its kind, regular updates and software upgrades are extremely important to keep us at the competitive edge,” says Paulo Ferreira, Head of Mobile Product and Software Solutions at Samsung.
The new and improved version of the S Pen includes features such as, improved zooming - the improved zoom affords users increased precision when using apps on the Galaxy Note. Control over the S Pen and scrolling is of top quality that will ensure easy browsing and allow for an even more enjoyable user experience. The updated S Pen also now offers a panning feature that grants the ability to change the coordinate values of the ‘CanvasView’. Another added characteristic of the S Pen SDK 1.5 is the capability to change and to customise the background of letters or notes sent from the device.
“This is a great new feature for users to express their personal style and flair. Not only does the upgraded S Pen offer users all the exciting features above, but it can now also select the Pen and eraser to ensure more flexibility and control for all types users,” concludes Ferreira.
I really like what the S Pen brings to the phone.
And I think it has a lot of potential.
Do you think any new actions could be added, such as a triple tap or gestures (while holding the button down)?
For example, holding the button down and drawing a music note anywhere could launch the music app.
Or holding it down and saying the app you want to open.
Isn't the s-pen supposed to be smart? If so, I think the ability to just pick up the pen and start drawing gestures/pics/etc anywhere(w/o holding the spen down) would be cool. Also, when you start to draw with the spen, it would either detect a gesture, a new drawing, or use a gesture already programmed to open an app and give you a convienent list of options on the bottom of the screen w/o being in the way of what you're trying to do. Just my 2 cents
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does it only work on the note or would it work on other samsung phones such as galaxy s2?
Nope, since the pen isn't a capacative stylus.
swipe up opens the menu, but I would like a swipe down to open the notification bar (sooo faaaar awaaayyyy!). Maybe a swipe right to be anything you want.
Overall it should be possible to configure these four (up/down/left/right) do do what you want, in any case.
The pen works on my nintendo 3ds lol.
Thats because the 3ds has a resistive touch screen.
I sure hope it will eventually be possible to configure actions for the pen gestures with some roms...
Samsung has a pen API kit, so hopefully we will see both big publishers (Adobe) adding pen functionality to big apps as well as small app devs putting out specialty and one trick pony apps. If you search my posts, I put together a summary of the tech behind the spen that Wacom built.
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Samsung has a pen API kit, so hopefully we will see both big publishers (Adobe) adding pen functionality to big apps as well as small app devs putting out specialty and one trick pony apps. If you search my posts, I put together a summary of the tech behind the spen that Wacom built.
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S-pen API can be masked behind the official ICS API for pens.
If you load the ICS leak ROM for Note and install Photoshop Touch, it supports pressure sensitivity and pen hover over screen.
All without using Samsungs API
We can expect many better apps when ICS drawing/note taking applications start to appear.
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If you load the ICS leak ROM for Note and install Photoshop Touch, it supports pressure sensitivity and pen hover over screen.
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Cool! Having a cursor to locate where a drawing line actually starts would be very nice. Much better than "try.. undo.. try.. undo.. try.. undo.. ..."
Is there any other evidence of the Pen hover ability of the S pen? Your post is the only evidence of such a feature so far.
I was thinking that pen hover with the S pen should be possible if the wacom digitizer is the same as on a tablet pc.
Pen hover would be useful for Tooltips, showing the URL when hovering above a link, some flash games rely on the mouse hover...
But even if the S pen have such a feature I suspect only a few apps will support it, unless ICS has some built-in functionality like Tooltips...
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S-pen API can be masked behind the official ICS API for pens.
If you load the ICS leak ROM for Note and install Photoshop Touch, it supports pressure sensitivity and pen hover over screen.
All without using Samsungs API
We can expect many better apps when ICS drawing/note taking applications start to appear.
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gaelynx said:
Is there any other evidence of the Pen hover ability of the S pen? Your post is the only evidence of such a feature so far.
I was thinking that pen hover with the S pen should be possible if the wacom digitizer is the same as on a tablet pc.
Pen hover would be useful for Tooltips, showing the URL when hovering above a link, some flash games rely on the mouse hover...
But even if the S pen have such a feature I suspect only a few apps will support it, unless ICS has some built-in functionality like Tooltips...
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I saw it also in the ICS Rom leak threads. Forgot to try it before I flashed back to RocketROM but multiple ppl confirmed it is legit. Someone said it as registering like 5mm off the screen.
I doubt there will be any new S pen development under GB. Much of the development time would be wasted since ICS has much more to offer in wacom support.
S-Pen hover ability tested
gaelynx said:
Is there any other evidence of the Pen hover ability of the S pen? Your post is the only evidence of such a feature so far.
I was thinking that pen hover with the S pen should be possible if the wacom digitizer is the same as on a tablet pc.
Pen hover would be useful for Tooltips, showing the URL when hovering above a link, some flash games rely on the mouse hover...
But even if the S pen have such a feature I suspect only a few apps will support it, unless ICS has some built-in functionality like Tooltips...
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I can confirm that Photoshop Touch supports S-Pen hover ability. Have instaled it on my Note with chinese leaked ICS. So so so mutch easier to work when you see where you will lend your touch. S-Pen is detected eaven in about 7mm of distance Photoshop can FC sometimes but it maybe becaose of leaked rom not being stable... it has almost all functionalities of regular Photoshop, just wonderful app!
Now tried stylus pressure, it can control size or opacity, it seams that there are "just" 3 levels of pressure...
Before the note I had the Nokia n900, which had a resistive screen. To zoom in you could just draw circles clockwise or anti-clockwise to zoom out. Would be nice to be able to do that on the note with the s-pen also.
Hmtsjmftsch said:
Before the note I had the Nokia n900, which had a resistive screen. To zoom in you could just draw circles clockwise or anti-clockwise to zoom out. Would be nice to be able to do that on the note with the s-pen also.
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But you can just double tap to zoom-unzoom ._.
I also hope more and configurable gestures will be integrated by Samsung....
Hmtsjmftsch said:
Before the note I had the Nokia n900, which had a resistive screen. To zoom in you could just draw circles clockwise or anti-clockwise to zoom out. Would be nice to be able to do that on the note with the s-pen also.
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While there's much about Nokia's microB browser that other makers could learn from, the screw-in gesture isn't something I moss much. Two-finger multitouch is easier and simpler I feel.
Really, really looking forward to having a hovering mouse pointer on the Note. I mean, this is probably the greatest advantage of the Wacom digitizer technology, not availing of it is such a waste! Being able to see where your line will begin is an enormous help for drawing. I draw on tablet PC using the same technology, and this is what I miss most of all.
Does anyone know if there's a way to get the pointer in Gingerbread?
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I can confirm that Photoshop Touch supports S-Pen hover ability. Have instaled it on my Note with chinese leaked ICS. So so so mutch easier to work when you see where you will lend your touch. S-Pen is detected eaven in about 7mm of distance Photoshop can FC sometimes but it maybe becaose of leaked rom not being stable... it has almost all functionalities of regular Photoshop, just wonderful app!
Now tried stylus pressure, it can control size or opacity, it seams that there are "just" 3 levels of pressure...
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I'm on Stunner 1.4.19 which is AOPK based and I can confirm pen hover and pressure sensitivity in Photoshop as well so no Samsung framework required, just ICS. I get a force close when using pressure sensitivity though after a few strokes.