I really like what the S Pen brings to the phone.
And I think it has a lot of potential.
Do you think any new actions could be added, such as a triple tap or gestures (while holding the button down)?
For example, holding the button down and drawing a music note anywhere could launch the music app.
Or holding it down and saying the app you want to open.
Isn't the s-pen supposed to be smart? If so, I think the ability to just pick up the pen and start drawing gestures/pics/etc anywhere(w/o holding the spen down) would be cool. Also, when you start to draw with the spen, it would either detect a gesture, a new drawing, or use a gesture already programmed to open an app and give you a convienent list of options on the bottom of the screen w/o being in the way of what you're trying to do. Just my 2 cents
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does it only work on the note or would it work on other samsung phones such as galaxy s2?
Nope, since the pen isn't a capacative stylus.
swipe up opens the menu, but I would like a swipe down to open the notification bar (sooo faaaar awaaayyyy!). Maybe a swipe right to be anything you want.
Overall it should be possible to configure these four (up/down/left/right) do do what you want, in any case.
The pen works on my nintendo 3ds lol.
Thats because the 3ds has a resistive touch screen.
I sure hope it will eventually be possible to configure actions for the pen gestures with some roms...
Samsung has a pen API kit, so hopefully we will see both big publishers (Adobe) adding pen functionality to big apps as well as small app devs putting out specialty and one trick pony apps. If you search my posts, I put together a summary of the tech behind the spen that Wacom built.
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Samsung has a pen API kit, so hopefully we will see both big publishers (Adobe) adding pen functionality to big apps as well as small app devs putting out specialty and one trick pony apps. If you search my posts, I put together a summary of the tech behind the spen that Wacom built.
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S-pen API can be masked behind the official ICS API for pens.
If you load the ICS leak ROM for Note and install Photoshop Touch, it supports pressure sensitivity and pen hover over screen.
All without using Samsungs API
We can expect many better apps when ICS drawing/note taking applications start to appear.
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If you load the ICS leak ROM for Note and install Photoshop Touch, it supports pressure sensitivity and pen hover over screen.
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Cool! Having a cursor to locate where a drawing line actually starts would be very nice. Much better than "try.. undo.. try.. undo.. try.. undo.. ..."
Is there any other evidence of the Pen hover ability of the S pen? Your post is the only evidence of such a feature so far.
I was thinking that pen hover with the S pen should be possible if the wacom digitizer is the same as on a tablet pc.
Pen hover would be useful for Tooltips, showing the URL when hovering above a link, some flash games rely on the mouse hover...
But even if the S pen have such a feature I suspect only a few apps will support it, unless ICS has some built-in functionality like Tooltips...
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S-pen API can be masked behind the official ICS API for pens.
If you load the ICS leak ROM for Note and install Photoshop Touch, it supports pressure sensitivity and pen hover over screen.
All without using Samsungs API
We can expect many better apps when ICS drawing/note taking applications start to appear.
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Is there any other evidence of the Pen hover ability of the S pen? Your post is the only evidence of such a feature so far.
I was thinking that pen hover with the S pen should be possible if the wacom digitizer is the same as on a tablet pc.
Pen hover would be useful for Tooltips, showing the URL when hovering above a link, some flash games rely on the mouse hover...
But even if the S pen have such a feature I suspect only a few apps will support it, unless ICS has some built-in functionality like Tooltips...
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I saw it also in the ICS Rom leak threads. Forgot to try it before I flashed back to RocketROM but multiple ppl confirmed it is legit. Someone said it as registering like 5mm off the screen.
I doubt there will be any new S pen development under GB. Much of the development time would be wasted since ICS has much more to offer in wacom support.
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Is there any other evidence of the Pen hover ability of the S pen? Your post is the only evidence of such a feature so far.
I was thinking that pen hover with the S pen should be possible if the wacom digitizer is the same as on a tablet pc.
Pen hover would be useful for Tooltips, showing the URL when hovering above a link, some flash games rely on the mouse hover...
But even if the S pen have such a feature I suspect only a few apps will support it, unless ICS has some built-in functionality like Tooltips...
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I can confirm that Photoshop Touch supports S-Pen hover ability. Have instaled it on my Note with chinese leaked ICS. So so so mutch easier to work when you see where you will lend your touch. S-Pen is detected eaven in about 7mm of distance Photoshop can FC sometimes but it maybe becaose of leaked rom not being stable... it has almost all functionalities of regular Photoshop, just wonderful app!
Now tried stylus pressure, it can control size or opacity, it seams that there are "just" 3 levels of pressure...
Before the note I had the Nokia n900, which had a resistive screen. To zoom in you could just draw circles clockwise or anti-clockwise to zoom out. Would be nice to be able to do that on the note with the s-pen also.
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Before the note I had the Nokia n900, which had a resistive screen. To zoom in you could just draw circles clockwise or anti-clockwise to zoom out. Would be nice to be able to do that on the note with the s-pen also.
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But you can just double tap to zoom-unzoom ._.
I also hope more and configurable gestures will be integrated by Samsung....
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Before the note I had the Nokia n900, which had a resistive screen. To zoom in you could just draw circles clockwise or anti-clockwise to zoom out. Would be nice to be able to do that on the note with the s-pen also.
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While there's much about Nokia's microB browser that other makers could learn from, the screw-in gesture isn't something I moss much. Two-finger multitouch is easier and simpler I feel.
Really, really looking forward to having a hovering mouse pointer on the Note. I mean, this is probably the greatest advantage of the Wacom digitizer technology, not availing of it is such a waste! Being able to see where your line will begin is an enormous help for drawing. I draw on tablet PC using the same technology, and this is what I miss most of all.
Does anyone know if there's a way to get the pointer in Gingerbread?
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I can confirm that Photoshop Touch supports S-Pen hover ability. Have instaled it on my Note with chinese leaked ICS. So so so mutch easier to work when you see where you will lend your touch. S-Pen is detected eaven in about 7mm of distance Photoshop can FC sometimes but it maybe becaose of leaked rom not being stable... it has almost all functionalities of regular Photoshop, just wonderful app!
Now tried stylus pressure, it can control size or opacity, it seams that there are "just" 3 levels of pressure...
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I'm on Stunner 1.4.19 which is AOPK based and I can confirm pen hover and pressure sensitivity in Photoshop as well so no Samsung framework required, just ICS. I get a force close when using pressure sensitivity though after a few strokes.
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When I purchased my tab 10.1, I was absolutely sure I made the right choice, after reading reviews about all the major tablets in the market. Now, after three months, I am not so sure. The disappointment is largely because of the failure of giants like Google and android tablet manufacturers to not being able to provide an "awesome" experience, even after more than one and a half years of being in the market. This frustration is one of those times when you really want to like something, but you just feel constantly, it could be much much better.
Minor software like a responsive keyboard shouldn't be that far-fethched for android. While typing this post on my tab, it seems like I am typing on a device/software that is not even an alpha release, even after so many years since android launched. And of course, I compare it to the iPad's keyboard, although I would never buy an Apple product - I like android for a reason (freedom).
I had thought I would always be able to take notes in meetings on the tab, but I have come to a very disappointing realization that the tab is just not made for note taking - not even close. I bought the Adonit Jot Pro thinking it is the best stylus in the market and would help greatly with note taking. When I started using the stylus, it was clear to me there is nothing out there that can accomplish the functionalty of note taking on the tab - Jot Pro clearly failed, but it's not the stylus's issue. Just why can't the tab, although it has a better hardware than the iPad, not allow decent note taking functionality?
I started considering the Thinkpad tablet as it touts a note-taking functionality and the screen is especially made for that, but after reading and watching reviews for that product, it seems Lenovo has a lot of catching up to do. The Thinkpad is sluggish, doesn't record notes as its windows tablet counterpart does in terms of speed and accuracy. After getting excited about an android tablet - the Thinkpad - that would allow note taking, I am back to square one after reading its reviews. I am not going to buy it.
The developers here do an amazing job to make our tabs better, but why is the android OS still subpar compared go the iOS? It can't be just that it has to cater to multiple hardware options and manufacturers, or that is is newer than the iOS. I don't think my expectations are unrealistic.
As the keyboard is giving me such grief, I will cut this post short and come back to the request/point. Does anyone know of an app that does something simple and basic like palm-rejection and follows the writing on the tab closely, without any lag? I have used writepad, free note, genial, super note, and others, which were supposed to be good for the tab, but alas, nothing accomplishes not taking. I am aware the polling on the screen for the tab is lagged compared to that for the iPad (and just Why?!), but am sure something could be done about it.
Please don't suggest buying another tablet, especially the iPad, or that I should develop an app for myself. Any sensible reader (hope SamsungJohn is still around, and someone from Andy Rubin's team reads this post) would know what the point of this post is. Thanks.
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just use touchscreentune from development thread. Problem solved
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just use touchscreentune from development thread. Problem solved
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Did you miss the part about palm rejection? Touchscreen Tune can't resolve that problem, as far as I can tell.
It also won't help with the lag associated with note apps that he was referring to.
I'm actually quite interested in a solution as well, as I would love to take this to my dev meetings when I don't want to lug around my laptop.
I'm kind of in the same boat as you. I would have liked to take notes with the G-Tab too but nothing I've found makes it ideal. There's an Asus note app in the dev section that helps a lot. For some reason it seems to accept responses better. It's what I used for short notes and phone numbers. For meeting notes, not so much.
ICS supports hand writing recognition natively. Hopefully there's not a h/w component required and that ends up being the long term solution for the Tab.
I wish there were an addon like the iPad's iPen for the Galaxy Tabs, it's an active digitizer:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1225098940/ipen-the-first-active-stylus-for-ipad
1) Handwriting
I don't know why there isn't an app for the tab that supports palm rejection. From a dev point of view, I assume the problem lies therein that it isn't possible to block other touchevents, so you cannot "ignore" parts of the screen. This may easily be a hardware related issue, that further touchpoints are ignored when your hand rests on the screen.
2) "Minor software like a responsive keyboard shouldn't be that far-fethched for android."
Have you tried a ROM like Galaxy Tab? The keyboard (stock) is much better than the touchwiz one.
3) Notetaking
TouchScreenTune, if you haven't tried it yet. Check out the dev section. No, doesn't help with palm rejection BUT, makes the notetaking for me possible.
Added palm rejection to TouchScreenTune Test version in development thread:
PALM REJECTION:
added slider allowing to turn on palm rejection. That means that you hand can rest on screen while writing using stylus, but you will still be able to write since touch events from your palm will be ignored. Set palm detection slider value to 0 or maybe a bit more like 1-10 to enable this functionality.
there are some reports that the galaxy note pen works on the galaxy tab , it has thin tip and should be accurate in writing notes with supported applications
i dont use stylus but i use finger to write notes. i use ausus super note app and i feel comfortable compared to other notes app. you can try touchscreen tune if you havent tried it.
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i dont use stylus but i use finger to write notes. i use ausus super note app and i feel comfortable compared to other notes app. you can try touchscreen tune if you havent tried it.
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The latest touchscreen tune with palm rejection (from the thread in the dev section) works well with asus supernote.
you can try these...
try the onscreen keyboard apps like thumb keyboard or swiftkey tablet x .
Both are really very good.
Thumb keyboard with multitouch option is really very helpfull.
Everyone knows about the predictive powers of swiftkey.
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Did you miss the part about palm rejection? Touchscreen Tune can't resolve that problem, as far as I can tell.
It also won't help with the lag associated with note apps that he was referring to.
I'm actually quite interested in a solution as well, as I would love to take this to my dev meetings when I don't want to lug around my laptop.
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Check the multi touch bottom it help when my palm touched the screen it stopped it from reading my palm touch
The reason for the choppiness is that androids UI and keyboard ius not hardware accelerated like apple's. Android also runs it as oje process, while apple tries to split it up to accommodate doing smaller things (so only one thing lags rather than whole ui).
I hope this is fixed more in ICS, but i have noticed that too. You cna put a custom rom on the tablet to make it a lot faster (stock rom is pretty buggy).
To be honest I'd recommend getting a bluetooth keyboard. I have one that's part of a case and it works perfectly. Aside from that I think you just need to use an app that suits you, I don't mind Polaris to be honest, but I find for speed typing I DO need the keyboard.
Huh? I'm on 3.1 and the standard Android keyboard (not the Samsung one that's on by default) works great. Very responsive, zero lag.
I have the tab 8.9 and there is no touchscreen app so a little worse off than the 10.1.
I use the app freenotes to take notes along with a pogo sketch stylus. THis makes the tab great for notetaking for me- very flexible and very easy to take clear notes in real time. Will also try the Asus supernote app soon.
I just wish it had the PDF and other document import export that apps like notability have on iOS- would make it perfect
i have motorola xoom, ipad 1, and now SGT,and i personally think that people who want to use their tablet to take note , they can do that. But to have a tablet+ stylus that they can comfortably write as they do with their notebook+pen is a different story.
I found Quill. It's quite good. It seems to be open source because it's available in Google Code and you can download the APK: http://code.google.com/p/android-quill/downloads/list
It have an option for disabling the bottom of the screen for resting your palm, though with TouchScreenTune you don't need it...
However, it's choppy in the GT10.1 unless you are rooted and install TouchScreenTune (which, by the way, was recently updated and now really works! Thanks dev!)
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I tried almost everything, and the best ones at the moment, are TabNotes, Writepad for stylus, and Handrite and Genial writing for handwriting.
Everything else is either laggy or choppy or just doesn't work well. At least imo. Quill and Freenote don't even compare with the two first above in responsiveness.
Of course you need touchscreentune, the recommended settings work fine. Palm rejection works quite well too, with the new version. (thanks again Vitalijus).
I tested all this on a UK tab version hc 3.2 (XXKL2).
I haven't tried Writepad because for some reason cannot buy apps from my tab... But Quill fill my needs.
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I'm looking in to the Note and it looks like a phone I'd use a lot. As an artist i use my hd2 to use as a screen for my ref photo's as I'm painting. So a bigger screen is a welcome bonus.
Now ofcourse the s-pen is nice too, as i use a wacom tablet to make sketches and digital paintings on my pc. And the note will make that process more portable (BIG bonus)
Take a picture make a sketch and mail it to my desktop.
Now for my Q; are there any apps available that are compatible with the s-pen? I don't want to rely on the Samsung stuff. There are nice drawing apps like sketchbook mobile from Autodesk but are they supporting the s-pen or do you know any other similar apps that can be used with the s-pen sensitivity?
I know a tablet or slate would be preferable but they are more expensive and less portable for a quick sketchup onsite.
Thanks for your time.
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Sketchbook mobile doesn't support S-Pen from what I have tried it, even after the recent update.
ICS should help with the situation:
"Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich includes native support for smartphones and tablets with a digital stylus Google has confirmed, including pressure recognition"
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Sketchbook mobile doesn't support S-Pen from what I have tried it, even after the recent update.
ICS should help with the situation:
"Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich includes native support for smartphones and tablets with a digital stylus Google has confirmed, including pressure recognition"
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However, from the looks of these forums and the pretty decent buzz, i'm betting we will see a couple, especially when there is nothing to be had. And I would imagine an app for this would be fun to make. It's a pretty unusual new twist to Android.
Then again i've been wrong before......uh, actually that's more like once in blue moon i'm right
Canvas Pro (and lite) supports pen pressure.
I'm interested in the TPT and am curious in which apps the pen all works? I'm assuming that it would work as a regular finger touch in all apps, is this true?
Can I use the pen on a software 'keyboard' like WritePad which allows for handwriting input - meaning I could handwrite into any app that would allow the WritePad keyboard?
Wanting to know what to expect before I take the plunge.
Anywhere you can use wrtepad, you can use the pen.
I have not come across any drawing apps that have NOT let me use the pen either.
I have been able to use the pen to open and close apps, browse the web, respond to e-mails, and so on.
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The pen works everywhere on the tablet, Just like your finger. As for writing apps, there is no shortage: quill, writepad and lecturenotes all let you write with either your finger or pen.
I know this wasn't part of your question but to save you from regrets and headaches, let me add:
If you want a writing tablet, I strongly advise you to wait for a month or so, when the Samsung galaxy note 10.1 is released because the plunge you are considering taking is a very deep one, into lenovo's slow, buggy software, weak hardware (easily breaking usb port and hardware buttons), strange warranty service, etc.
Be aware that lenovo would have a backdoor into your tablet through their "mobility manager app" and can execute actions with root level permissions. and no, they wouldn't inform you. sneaky, right?
It is not possible to disable touch or pen input at OS level on lenovo's stock rom so there can be accidental contact when writing with pen or typing on keyboard dock. There is such a feature on the CM9 port being developed by the good fellows here on our xda forum. However, everything is tricky: from rooting, to installing CWM recovery and flashing the rom. Your device can get bricked anywhere in between.
the location of the cameras on the thinkpad is laughable, and by extension, hardly usable.
The thinkpad was the first android tablet with an n-trig digitizer (the htc flyer uses wacom or something) so its essentially a prototype and expect the numerous glitches that plague first type devices. Now samsung is getting into the game, I expect using an android tablet with a digitizer will become a better experience.
But it's your call, just read through this thinkpad xda forum and the www.thinkpadtabletforums.com to observe the issues with this tab before you take the plunge.
Flyer, and every other pen enabled HTC tablet are also using N-Trig, if it was Wacom, I am sure more people would be using it. As for the Galaxy 10.1 Note, I doubt it would be out next month, if anything it should be out mid summer, with maybe North America getting it a bit later than that, specially if it may come out on a carrier, and/or with LTE.
For what it is, and the price I paid it is a solid tablet actually. I like it better than my Touchpad with CM9 installed. Yeah my volume up button went out, but still not as bad as my Touchpad, which came back from HP with a gap in the screen after I sent it in for a battery issue. I am sure, once CM9 is more developed it would improve things even more. I know on my Droid 2 CM7 based rom I was on was much better than that bloated crap Motorola put on their I will though agree that that Mobility manger is pretty damn shady and wrong. I think you can remove it with root, but I am not fully sure.
Thanks for the insights. Dark, I'm afraid you're giving me advice I *don't* want to hear. I'm a very long time Palm user and really like a pen. Right now I've got a Captivate and an original Galaxy Tab 7 with Overcome ROM, rooted and overclocked to 1400mHz. I don't think I'm used to the lack of precision and it's been over a year for me with Android. I'm using them with a stylus, but those big fat "Crayola's" leave a lot to be desired. Recently I got a chance to spend some time on a 10" tablet and kind of liked the size.
I really don't understand how popular tablets (iPads) have got without a pen. It just feels too primitive to be clawing at the screen with my fingers.
I'm quite pleased with the pen. N-trig was a big disappointment early on but their reputation has improved as has the product. Wacom is better but N-trig is OK how. Have been using a Motion LE1700 (Windows tablet) for years with Wacom and it's great. The TPT pen input is a bit primitive compared to Windows but it's good enough.
My last laptop was an X61 tablet. I was quite tired of how dim the display was from having to look through the digitizer. Does the TPT have that same dim/gray cast to the screen? Is it noticeably darker than non-pen-digitizer tablets?
no its very bright, i find the automatic brightness adjustment to be a little much, but that's just me, i usually set it at about 50 percent and its more than adequate to use outdoors with our cloudy weather up here. you can see little "dots" on the screen when held at certain angles with the screen off, this is the only visible evidence of the digitizer but its pretty much invisible with the screen shining through.
I have my Note 10.1 for around 6 months now, i use it daily and i'm happy with it regarding smoothness and performance but i can't find use for it's specific features. I use it like i would any other android tablet.
Some of the specific features i'm talking about which i don't use:
Spen: it looks interesting as concept but it doesn't feel pratical to use. it's much more intuitive to use your finger instead of going for the pen.
The pen feels like an unnecessary extension of your finger.
I tried drawing but it was a disappointing experience, it doesn't track fast enough like you would on normal paper, it's much too slow, i have to draw in slow motion or it won't keep up.
Maybe it is useful for some handwritten notes but due to the drawing lag and the fact that the keyboard prediction is quite good i end up preferring to just use the keyboard.
multiwindow (or apps in hovering windows): it looks powerful and interesting but i've yet to find a use for it. I use several windows in a PC usually but it doesn't feel pratical to do it in a tablet, the screen size/resolution isn't big enough, you get 2 small windows and end up not enjoying properly either app.
Please help me make better use of my note, i'm happy with it but i feel i'm waisting some potential uses.
Hi,
I use the spen every day to take notes in meetings or at my desk. the snote application is for me unusable but with the right app (in my case Lecturenotes) it replaced completely my paper notebook in the job. Together with syncing the notes to Evernote or own server or sending handwritten notes with drawings per mail directly to collegues it fit's all my needs.
As mentioned, I don't see any lagging using the pen. and true, using the pen only to control the device does not make sense at all.
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Sven
I bought the Note 10.1 primarily for notes, reading, work and browsing and I'm happy all round
I use the S Pen all the time and was one of the reasons I bought a Note and not a Nexus for example. Is your S Pen calibrated well? Mine has no problems with lag and can keep up with my writing with no problems at all. Maybe use a different tip?
I also use multiwindow which is nice for taking notes and browsing at the same time for example. Or watching a movie while working (if there's no boss around lol).
I got because I needed a 10" tablet for my whip and the note 10.1 had multi window.. I use this tablet as my main device.. I use cm10.2 because it seems a bit faster than stock and I came to the conclusion that multi window is pointless.. it doesn't work like it does on a PC were I can drag and drop
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I only use the multi-window occasionally. However, the stylus? I used to use that every day when I still had classes, but now that I'm doing all research and teaching, I only use it for quick and dirty calculations. I used to draw with it as well, but I don't have that time now.. :/
(What app are you using? I find that certain apps don't seem optimized for the spen, so the tracker does lag for those.)
tried lecture notes yesterday, looks clean and simple but i still feel the tracking lags a bit if you move the pen faster. if i write as i would on a normal paper it can't keep up completely. I tried the character recognition "keyboard" and it also fails to recognize most of my handwriting, might be a bit my fault too.
Anyway, still happy with my note, but i guess having spen or multiwindow won't be a requirement when i upgrade my tablet.
Otoh it seems that if choose to stick with samsung the new note 10.1 seems the only way to go because the galaxy tab3 has last year's screen resolution.
From your needs I would think that nexus 10 would be more than sufficient. Samsung too.
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From your needs I would think that nexus 10 would be more than sufficient. Samsung too.
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I agree. If you're not going to use the S-Pen, then why not get a Nexus 10 or even a Samsung Tab2/3? The only reason we put up with the dated resolution of the screen is the S-Pen, since there's no alternative (at least running Android).
Pretty much done away with notebooks here. I'm still torn between lecture notes and s note. I like certain features of each. I do find handwriting recognition more bother than worth. S pen IS the big advantage of the note. Definitely worth it to me.
Bottom line is my. Note is everywhere I am.
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I use mine for playing games and drawing and painting using clover paint and s note for taking notes
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I also use SPen everyday. I bought this tablet for taking notes during meetings. I'm fully happywith it.
I use the multiwindow feature when I need several functions at the same time. For instance, I can open SNote with a calculator or internet navigator. But honestly, it's not my favourite feature.
I plan to move to another ROM since Samsung is not prompt to send us a new one. I would like to setup accounts. However, I would like to keep SNote ...
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From your needs I would think that nexus 10 would be more than sufficient. Samsung too.
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I would have considered the Nexus 10 if it was sold in my country (which is not), but, even so, i read that the Nexus 10 might not be as fast/smooth as the Note due to the higher resolution.
Spen: Everyday in university
Multiwindow: Never
IR Blast: Never
Drawing: I am really, really bad at drawing stuff, so never
I recommend to everyone whose usage of the device matches the above, flash an AOSP based rom!
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Spen: Everyday in university
Multiwindow: Never
IR Blast: Never
Drawing: I am really, really bad at drawing stuff, so never
I recommend to everyone whose usage of the device matches the above, flash an AOSP based rom!
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do aosp roms support hovering and palm rejection? I'm looking to buy the new note but i figured i'd need to stick w/ touchwiz.
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do aosp roms support hovering and palm rejection? I'm looking to buy the new note but i figured i'd need to stick w/ touchwiz.
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What do you mean exactly with hovering? Of course the software is _able_ to detect the spen hovering, because this is a hardware feature of the digitizer. For example: In lecture notes you can use hovering to scroll the page, that's because the developer chose to get the signals of the hardware (spen and digitzer). Samsung chose to integrate the hovering feature in the system api, so that you can scroll in menu's etc. Most of the AOSP rom's (i am using cyanogenmod, look at my signature) will not include the hovering in their system, but nevertheless it's a hardware feature that is enabled, but the software needs to use it. I hope you can understand this.
To palm rejection: It's nearly the same, with the little difference that the touchscreen always shuts down if the spen is near it. I don't know if it's even possible to write software that brakes this feature.
But I can assure you: On cyanogenmod the writing with spen is much more fluid, smoother and feels much better than on a tw based rom.
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What do you mean exactly with hovering? Of course the software is _able_ to detect the spen hovering, because this is a hardware feature of the digitizer. For example: In lecture notes you can use hovering to scroll the page, that's because the developer chose to get the signals of the hardware (spen and digitzer). Samsung chose to integrate the hovering feature in the system api, so that you can scroll in menu's etc. Most of the AOSP rom's (i am using cyanogenmod, look at my signature) will not include the hovering in their system, but nevertheless it's a hardware feature that is enabled, but the software needs to use it. I hope you can understand this.
To palm rejection: It's nearly the same, with the little difference that the touchscreen always shuts down if the spen is near it. I don't know if it's even possible to write software that brakes this feature.
But I can assure you: On cyanogenmod the writing with spen is much more fluid, smoother and feels much better than on a tw based rom.
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thanks. that's what i wanted to know. I'm assuming pressure sensitivity works too then with apps that support it (i believe ezpdf does support this, at least it did when i tried in the store on the stock model)?
smac7 said:
thanks. that's what i wanted to know. I'm assuming pressure sensitivity works too then with apps that support it (i believe ezpdf does support this, at least it did when i tried in the store on the stock model)?
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Yes, it is. Works flawlessy in lecture notes on cyanogenmod.
Kamairo said:
But I can assure you: On cyanogenmod the writing with spen is much more fluid, smoother and feels much better than on a tw based rom.
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Sounds good. But which tool are you using for taking notes? I guess you don't use anymore SNote, right?
ldcn said:
Sounds good. But which tool are you using for taking notes? I guess you don't use anymore SNote, right?
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That's not possible, there is no S Note on AOSP roms, it needs Toichwiz API /framework. I am using lecture notes, but many people also use papyrus. Your call.
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i think multiwindow is very useful
Just wondering what apps and games people are using to take advantage of the s pen?
I barely use it, I never take notes, I don't take many pictures and if I do I wouldn't need a remote, the media comtrols would be handy if the S pen battery lasted more than half an hour. I do use it for making cute live messages to send to my best friend Holly but that was about it.
I did just downloaded Google handwriting Input, didn't have much hope for it but I thought I'd just see what it was like, in comparison to my estimations of it, it is shockingly accurate, I wrote several full sentences, of mainly nonsense just to test, it didn't make a single mistake, not even one. At the moment, it was slower than typing on the keyboard, but I believe with practice I can see it becoming a faster way to input text as I improve.
But I'd like to know what the rest of you are using it for, useful apps, or fun games that a stylus helps with, like drawing based games, I've seen a few but they're pretty basic.
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But I'd like to know what the rest of you are using it for, useful apps, or fun games that a stylus helps with, like drawing based games, I've seen a few but they're pretty basic.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT6Op5I6sKg
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT6Op5I6sKg
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As much as I appreciate the thought, that video is nothing more than a description of the default uses and settings, it's not what I asked for. I already know exactly what it does out of the box.
I'd really like to see more developers add support for the S Pen, even if just in "normal" apps that don't otherwise require one. For example, the MobileSheets program for musicians to read sheet music has a function that lets you annotate or write on your music, but it doesn't support S Pen so no palm rejection, etc. Also, I accidentally discovered something incredible in Autodesk Sketch Book, that there's a tilt sensor in the S Pen, so when coloring using a "pencil," if you hold the S Pen at a low angle like you would with a pencil to use the "side" of the pencil lead, the stroke on the virtual page looks exactly like a real pencil would when held at that angle. This open up a lot of possibilities for using the S Pen as a game controller in ways other than just tapping on the screen with it.
As far as actual current uses, I love screen off notes, and the aforementioned Sketch Book app is a surprisingly enjoyable way to relax for a few minutes. I also use OneNote with my Note 10.1 and it's nice to now also be able to take quick notes in my notebooks when I don't have the tablet with me.
I don't use it much either. But it's nice to have it when it does have some usage scenarios. I do take screen off notes at times to remember things (ADD person). And when I cook food for example and I'm all greasy on my fingers and don't want to touch the screen and make it dirty. Sometimes I just use it while using the phone regularly. Makes it easier to swype to type. Also web browsing is easier specially fiddling with smaller drop down menus and such. It makes for more precise control. I do like it's GIF feature too when pulling the pen out (smart select) to make GIF's of videos or fire up the camera app and make a GIF of what you see in the viewfinder.
These are pretty much the uses I have for it personally. I can live without it sure. But it's handy at times.
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I'd really like to see more developers add support for the S Pen, even if just in "normal" apps that don't otherwise require one. For example, the MobileSheets program for musicians to read sheet music has a function that lets you annotate or write on your music, but it doesn't support S Pen so no palm rejection, etc. Also, I accidentally discovered something incredible in Autodesk Sketch Book, that there's a tilt sensor in the S Pen, so when coloring using a "pencil," if you hold the S Pen at a low angle like you would with a pencil to use the "side" of the pencil lead, the stroke on the virtual page looks exactly like a real pencil would when held at that angle. This open up a lot of possibilities for using the S Pen as a game controller in ways other than just tapping on the screen with it.
As far as actual current uses, I love screen off notes, and the aforementioned Sketch Book app is a surprisingly enjoyable way to relax for a few minutes. I also use OneNote with my Note 10.1 and it's nice to now also be able to take quick notes in my notebooks when I don't have the tablet with me.
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Yeah I'd like to see this too, I'm sure there's a lot of possibilities and interesting uses people could find for it.
I noticed that too haha, also by accident, it works in a couple of drawing apps I've tried, I don't think it's a sensor in the s pen though, I think it's just whatever is in the top that the screen detects, the same way it knows when it's hovering over the screen, maybe a magnet, or a coil or something. But however it works, it's a cool little feature.
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I don't use it much either. But it's nice to have it when it does have some usage scenarios. I do take screen off notes at times to remember things (ADD person). And when I cook food for example and I'm all greasy on my fingers and don't want to touch the screen and make it dirty. Sometimes I just use it while using the phone regularly. Makes it easier to swype to type. Also web browsing is easier specially fiddling with smaller drop down menus and such. It makes for more precise control. I do like it's GIF feature too when pulling the pen out (smart select) to make GIF's of videos or fire up the camera app and make a GIF of what you see in the viewfinder.
These are pretty much the uses I have for it personally. I can live without it sure. But it's handy at times.
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Yeah I'm a bit the same as you, I will sometimes just navigate through the phone using it and I agree it is quite good for browsing the internet too. I could live with out it, but at the same time I really want to find excuses to use it haha.
Samsung has not released the SDK for the spen. When they do there will be more apps that'll support the pen.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/samsu...ber-eyes-third-party-apps-for-remote-control/
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Samsung has not released the SDK for the spen. When they do there will be more apps that'll support the pen.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/samsu...ber-eyes-third-party-apps-for-remote-control/
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Oh cool, that's good to know. Hopefully we do start to see more uses for it.
Also I've found that air attack 2 is a great little game to play with the s pen, you move the plane around by hovering the pen above the screen, which is much easier than using a finger, and then you tap to drop bombs and atuff, quite a decent game as well.
With the days getting colder here in Germany I usually wear gloves when going outside. Consider myself as a heavy user including messaging, social media, surfing the web and reading News. So the S Pen allows me to write with my gloves on.
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Samsung has not released the SDK for the spen. When they do there will be more apps that'll support the pen.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/samsu...ber-eyes-third-party-apps-for-remote-control/
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Thy haven't released the SDK for the remote functions of the s pen. The other functions SDK was released and updated when needed since the beginning
neheit said:
With the days getting colder here in Germany I usually wear gloves when going outside. Consider myself as a heavy user including messaging, social media, surfing the web and reading News. So the S Pen allows me to write with my gloves on.
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That's actually a very good point, and one I hadn't thought of, we're coming into winter now in the UK and I do wear gloves a lot of the time, and yes, the pen will make using the phone possible..... although, how to get it out while wearing gloves? ?
Precision in lots of places. Typing long important messages, games, scrolling, drop down menu, websites that aren't updated for mobile proper, drawing and of course if you write in languages like Mandarin or Sanskrit, Bam! S pen to the rescue.
I use it while im playing hearthstone which is super useful if im playing while its flat on a table
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Also I've found that air attack 2 is a great little game to play with the s pen, you move the plane around by hovering the pen above the screen, which is much easier than using a finger, and then you tap to drop bombs and atuff, quite a decent game as well.
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I downloaded this game last night and wasted a bunch of time on it... works great with the S-pen.
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I downloaded this game last night and wasted a bunch of time on it... works great with the S-pen.
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Yeah it's quite good isn't it haha, I've already spent several hours playing it. I quite like those sort of games if they're well made, I'm trying to find any similar, that work the same, most seem to need the pen to actually be touching the screen, so no different to a finger.
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Precision in lots of places. Typing long important messages, games, scrolling, drop down menu, websites that aren't updated for mobile proper, drawing and of course if you write in languages like Mandarin or Sanskrit, Bam! S pen to the rescue.
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Yeah I've been using the s pen for just general use, just as an excuse to use it, but I'm finding the odd things where it is better than a finger, like you say, anything that a bit of precision helps with.
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I use it while im playing hearthstone which is super useful if im playing while its flat on a table
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I've not played that, I'll have a look into it, thanks.
One of the greatest uses is the scroll down and scroll up within Google Chrome, man, makes reading websites a pleasure, single click of the button scroll down, double click scroll up.
But it's strange they implement it in Chrome and not in Samsung Internet Browser (which I use mostly because of the wonderful Samsung Pass)!!