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Is there any programs like the iAno for the HTC diamond?
tango3 said:
Is there any programs like the iAno for the HTC diamond?
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The diamond is not a multi-touch screen. Sigh... another plus for the iPhone.
topspeclt said:
The diamond is not a multi-touch screen. Sigh... another plus for the iPhone.
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Aww darn it
topspeclt said:
The diamond is not a multi-touch screen. Sigh... another plus for the iPhone.
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The screen may not be multiitouch, but the lower panel is fully multi-touch, and can be sued tor anything you fancy...
I don't know who else has noticed this, but the diamond only has 2 real hardware buttons it seems. The device uses the multi touch panel to "guess" which button has been pressed, as the finger touches the panel over the button.
A nice experiment to try, is pressing a button through a t-shirt or a cloth. You'll notice that the buttons light up, but no commands are executed, as the device doens't know where you pressed.
brins0 said:
The device uses the multi touch panel to "guess" which button has been pressed, as the finger touches the panel over the button.
A nice experiment to try, is pressing a button through a t-shirt or a cloth. You'll notice that the buttons light up, but no commands are executed, as the device doens't know where you pressed.
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Are you talking about the actual buttons at the bottom of the phone? Because mine actually press down. Yours must be broken
I can even press them with an apple
i think he sais that the phone "knows" your finger is on the button before u even push it, its enough to gently stroke or place your finger onto the round button.
i dont think he meant that he couldnt push the button, just that there is 2 functions to it.
thats right
the pad on the bottom actually server 2 purposes. mechanical buttons (5, enter, home, back,pick up, and hang up) and the dialwheel... BUT underneath the buttons there is more.. the complete pad is touchsensitive, altough not utilized by the diamond, for now that is...
its even multitouch.. for now only the dialwheel and the enter buttom use the touchsensitive capabilities..
somewhere on this forum there are a bunch of applications to debug/test youre diamond, i believe this paticular program was called navdebug or something like that..
it would be nice when sombody can utilize this pad in his software...
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i think he sais that the phone "knows" your finger is on the button before u even push it, its enough to gently stroke or place your finger onto the round button.
i dont think he meant that he couldnt push the button, just that there is 2 functions to it.
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I know there is the touch and the actual button function, but when he said...
brins0 said:
the diamond only has 2 real hardware buttons it seems. The device uses the multi touch panel to "guess" which button has been pressed, as the finger touches the panel over the button.
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...it had me confused. The panel clearly has hardware buttons underneath so there must be more than 2 on the entire phone. It also doesn't need to "guess" which button has been pressed.
The lower part of Touch Diamond has:
Two touch surfaces (one on the left and one on the right of the OK button)
Two clickable buttons underneath each touch surface (actually including the OK button it's 3 buttons)
When you put your finger on the touch panel it reads your position. If you press harder you will press the button underneath and it will translate the press according to your position on the touch panel as a specific button press.
So in theory, we could add another button bitween HOME and PHONE, or BACK and HANG UP etc etc
Unfortunately it's not fully multitouch, it just able to read simultaneously finger positions or presses from both touch panels. Something that may be mistaken for multitouch!
Ah right, so the 2 hardware buttons makes sense now
marios96 said:
The lower part of Touch Diamond has:
Two touch surfaces (one on the left and one on the right of the OK button)
Two clickable buttons underneath each touch surface (actually including the OK button it's 3 buttons)
When you put your finger on the touch panel it reads your position. If you press harder you will press the button underneath and it will translate the press according to your position on the touch panel as a specific button press.
So in theory, we could add another button bitween HOME and PHONE, or BACK and HANG UP etc etc
Unfortunately it's not fully multitouch, it just able to read simultaneously finger positions or presses from both touch panels. Something that may be mistaken for multitouch!
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youre absolutly right...
however when i run the navdebug for the touchpanel, i can surely read the position of my fingers on both sides simutaniously. wich as far as i understand could be explained as multitouch.... correct me if i am wrong..
sadly i dont know how to code my own software, otherwise i would like to investigate further how this works... i geuss it has a grid of proximitysensor whis get read at a specific interval, and i assume, like the navdebug already gives away, that the resolution of the so calles multitouchpanel, will be very low...
i tried it and i just have to correct some of my sayings...
i seems that the matrix is divided into 3 parts wich could be read simutaniously, lets say left, middle and right... it doesnt read multitouch in one matrix... we just got 3 matrixes simutaniously....
never the less we could utilize it for example scrolling....
I am not really sure how multi touch works but I have been using Stylophone program
on my fone and the whole screen is a keyboard. I allows you to play 2 keys of the keyboard
at the same time and two different sounds are always present if u get what I mean.
So m not sure if that cuts in as multi touch....Hmmm
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The lower part of Touch Diamond has:
Two touch surfaces (one on the left and one on the right of the OK button)
Two clickable buttons underneath each touch surface (actually including the OK button it's 3 buttons)
When you put your finger on the touch panel it reads your position. If you press harder you will press the button underneath and it will translate the press according to your position on the touch panel as a specific button press.
So in theory, we could add another button bitween HOME and PHONE, or BACK and HANG UP etc etc
Unfortunately it's not fully multitouch, it just able to read simultaneously finger positions or presses from both touch panels. Something that may be mistaken for multitouch!
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This is exaclty what I was trying to say. I really do suck at explaining things sometimes...
The buttons on my device do indeed click down when pressed firmly, but when pressed with a non organic object, the button clicks, but no action is performed, as the device does not know where the button was pressed down.
When I work out how to read the location of these "touches" I think it would be VERY easy to add extra "buttons" to the lower touch section, and even replace the ones which are there already.
here's the link for whom that haven't seen it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3Owgcos_KY
Hi,
I do not own Touch HD, so I cannot test, but the button area bellow should be touch sensitive. Why did not somebody used it as D-pad? Dragging up/down left/righ as the GScroll (http://www.mobilesrc.com/GScroll.aspx) for Diamond? It is not possible to detect different touch positions on the same button so with only one row of buttons there is no way how to do up/down gestures?
Thanks you for your explanation, Jan
very good idea, i'll check !
edit : doesn't works somebody to code it ?
I've tryed it, not working for me on my HD (black pearl light rom) , but an app like that should be the missing part for HD.
This is a FANTASTIC idea.
Anyone willing to give it a shot and code it?
I don't think this is possible, because those "touch sensitive buttons" aren't capacitive buttons, they are just normal button much more sensitive than usual. You can see it your self by pressing them with the stylus: it works, and it wouldn't if they were capacitive.
for sure the button are not capacitive i did the same test too and few more
i think the "button" are a simple touch screen extra area
look at the attached image of the touch screen replacement part.
i think that all the button area could be remapped as wished..
Using Magic mobile or AEbuttons you can remap key to simulate Dpad, i've put up and down to double tap volume,left to double hang up, right to double hang off, center to double backspace, done it with mobilemagic. Give it a try.
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Using Magic mobile or AEbuttons you can remap key to simulate Dpad, i've put up and down to double tap volume,left to double hang up, right to double hang off, center to double backspace, done it with mobilemagic. Give it a try.
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For me this is not good replacement, on real D-pad I can press and hold, for instance quick rewind/forward on player. You cannot do that with key remapping.
If it is possible to follow gestures, you can move left a hold to simulate D-pad left key hold.
I don't think the buttons are "capacitive" (as on iPhone), but the button area is touch sensitive as the rest of the display - see the image. So it in theory should be possible to use this area to capture stylus or finger touches. I don't think I am the first one with this idea. It seems to be that there are some obstacles.
Will you love the hardware keys or Virtual keys(Galaxy Nexus)
I love virtual Keys
Desition here was quite hard, because both have their pros and cons, for example oftware keys eat up your screen space and since SGSIII will use amoled screen signs on buttons would burn in to the screen and we would have burned in virtual buttons while playing games for example...on the other hand HW buttons make bottom bezel larger, and they are not suggested from google on ICS....
....if I pull line here, i dont actually care...Why not?
Since samsung already rumored that desition was very hard, i guess HW buttons will have same functionality as software buttons, so it seems that we wont have "cool" software buttons, but we will have more free space on screen
I love s/w keys than h/w keys
Actually when we watch videos and slideshow it will hide automatically
Very easier to use.
I love s/w keys in galaxy nexus
I like virtual keys on my tablet
When I flashed Gummy on my D2, i enabled the virtual keys and always ended up sliding and hitting the home button, so even though it doesn't bother me, i like both but used to hardware; i just like how you can edit the virtual keys
Definitely Software keys!
1. Allows for maximum screen size within a smaller phone shell
2. When the keys are not needed, we will get more screen real estate
3. With roms, we will be able to choose what buttons we want. Menu, search, recent apps, etc.
HW button more prefer for S3
Of coz hw button so that i may avoid accidentally push button like home button as ive ever experienced with gnex.....
I love the soft keys of my Galaxy Nexus. They change direction when the screen orientation changes. They eat up screen space, that's why I made them tiny and almost transparent with the Codename Android rom.
I love the extra screen space, I feel like I upgraded my device to one with a bigger screen. The Navigation Bar is now about the size of the status bar, and I almost never miss the buttons with my finger.
i hate virtual keys.eats inch from the display i dont want them at all
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i hate virtual keys.eats inch from the display i dont want them at all
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Same here. I really don't see the advantages to them aside from being customizable. But what can you really add aside from the standard 4 already being used on GB.
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...on the other hand HW buttons make bottom bezel larger
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And the Nexus is what? Bezel-less? It has more than enough space below the screen for hardware buttons. They could even make the space smaller and there would still be room for hardware buttons.
The OONLY reason to go from Hardware buttons to Software ones (a la Gnex) is to cut down the bezel and overall phone size, which means you can have a larger screen-estate.
I know for a fact, this wont be happening.
So if Samsung chooses a Virtual or Hardware buttons the overall size will be the same.
But then, why give up the tactile satisfaction of hardware keys?
No reason !!
I've simply handed my device to many people, lets say after a Youtube clip loaded, and so many times they grab the Capacitive "Back" button which means the whole video must load all over again. This is particularly annoying when you have bad reception/slow connection.
So Samsung, make all 3 hardware buttons (stylish, slim, clicky etc) or Shave off that bezel so that the screen gets larger without the phone getting larger. Ball's in your court
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And the Nexus is what? Bezel-less? It has more than enough space below the screen for hardware buttons. They could even make the space smaller and there would still be room for hardware buttons.
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You know the sides like the outer edge the smooth part on the outer edge or like on a watch the.ring surrounding the watfh none of that
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I prefer capacitive keys if it include the dedicated menu key. Otherwise give me virtual keys so I can mod one in there.
I still don't trust that menu works right in all apps with ICS so I prefer to have one in all cases.
Definitely virtual keys. Don't really like the white glow of my SGSII's hardware keys.
No more hardware key, please! I couldn't stand the feedback of GS2 hw key. It's okay at first, but when time goes by the feedback got worse and eventually I was able to hear a tiny clicking sounds when pressing it. Such a fragile spot of an expensive device.
I like virtual keys. I can set up its count, color, etc. Small but nice feature.
if the phone doesnt have virtual buttons i will surely go for galaxy nexus
1. Get a phone with capacitive or virtual buttons
2. Install Temple Run
3. Play the game and swipe down
4. Accidentally hit home button
5. ???
6. Profit!
Or something like that. I absolutely hate my Huawei Ideos X5s capacitive home button. So I'd like to have capacitive multitask-button, hw home button and capacitive back-button. I'll buy it either way. I've been missing Samsung so much after I swapped my SGS2 to Omnia W and then ended up using my backup phone (Huawei) until SGS3 comes.
I had a huawei x3 with soft keys. Total crap! Too many accidental clicks.
Hardware home Button + menu key + back key
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I have used SGS and SGS2. I am used to hardware keys so I would love to have it. I can make practical use of home key, like taking pictures or putting whatever shortcut I want. I am sure samsung will stick to the hardware keys.
I prefer waking my phone by pressing the physical home button rather than using the side power button. Since the note has a larger foot print it's easier to reach the home button.
Also given Amoled's flaws, static images such as the notification bar and virtual on screen buttons would prematurely cause screen burn out which leads to ghosting. I've had the notification/status bar destroy my galaxy S screen.
Am I the only one that likes physical home button?
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I prefer waking my phone by pressing the physical home button rather than using the side power button. Since the note has a larger foot print it's easier to reach the home button.
Also given Amoled's flaws, static images such as the notification bar and virtual on screen buttons would prematurely cause screen burn out which leads to ghosting. I've had the notification/status bar destroy my galaxy S screen.
Am I the only one that likes physical home button?
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Nopes You are not...I too like waking it up via the Home button....
I also prefer the physical home button compared to the capacitive touch buttons. This device is my first international phone that I have used and I like it a lot better than any carrier's version I've ever used.
I'd rater it was capacitive like menu and back buttons. Would make the design look so much better.
Can't say that i like software keys though - i always turn them off.
Given I'm the only one who voted Virtual so far; I better post my rationale to see if I am sensible or really need to get my head checked.
First; why I like the physical button; no accidental press and good demarcation of where the back and menu buttons are (and the home of course ) I tend to wake the phone using the side lock button, because my thumb is on the side already, when I pull the phone out of my pocket (right handed) but I grant that when my phone is on the table, its much easier with the home button.
On the other hand I would prefer it if the home button was the capacitive icon like the menu and back buttons. Advantages of this to me would be that it would distance Samsung from the iPhone-like single button front but mainly because I like the modern feel when I used a Galaxy Nexus. There is something to be said for the 'light touch' approach to using phones. I Swype the screen with a light touch, tap icons and links lightly, back-button lightly. Then *crunch* the home button goes. I know its a really weird niggle to make but it is just personal preference.
edit: Reading some of the posts which were made while I was composing this short essay, I think I may have misunderstood 'virtual button'.
Yep same here prefer sometimes it saves me when screen is stuck
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Physical for me as well. And I use Screen Off and Lock in the notification bar to, well, switch the screen off and lock the phone. Using the power button is soooo 2010.
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I never use the home button to wake the phone (well maybe that's because I only discovered that it can be used instead of the power button after having the note for like a month lol)
I've not had a virtual unit to compare against, but I could see some problems having a virtual home key.
So, I voted physical.
My opinion goes like this:
99/100 - Xperia X10 buttons (slim, long, elegant, easy to press. Proper positioning of Back, Home, Menu buttons).
80/100 - NOTE's physical buttons (though the Back and Menu buttons should trade places. Accidental capacitive presses occur when passing the phone to others).
60/100 - On-Screen buttons (ICS/JB).
What I would like for NOTE-2:
On-screen buttons:
-Then device can be smaller.
-Device looks better/styling.
-S PEN will work with it.
-We can customize it with different functions, colours, glows, animations, gestures, app shortcuts.
Kangal said:
My opinion goes like this:
99/100 - Xperia X10 buttons (slim, long, elegant, easy to press. Proper positioning of Back, Home, Menu buttons).
80/100 - NOTE's physical buttons (though the Back and Menu buttons should trade places. Accidental capacitive presses occur when passing the phone to others).
60/100 - On-Screen buttons (ICS/JB).
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+1 totally agree!
PS. The X10 buttons were great, too bad the phone sucked.
PPS. I really hope phone manufacturers keep disregarding the ics/jb onscreen buttons. It just looks fancy but is way less functional.
On-screen or capacitive. Tactile feedback reminds me of wear anf tear. On the Note, I unlock exclusively using the home key
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I prefer physical Home button of Note / GS2. It is easier to wake up the phone. But compared to other Android which have capactivie Home, I tend to press physical Home less frequently, but instead press capaitive Back couple of times to come back to home. When I must press Home for task switching or when I have browsed several pages in browser, I press Home. So my take is - I like physical Home to wake up but would have preferred capacitive Home to go to home screen.
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What I would like for NOTE-2:
On-screen buttons:
-Then device can be smaller.
-Device looks better/styling.
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Huh? Device can be smaller?! You know that the result would be a smaller screen, right? In fact, if you want the same (usable) screen size, the device has to have the exact same size, even with CB.
I´m really enjoying my hardware buttons and I really hope that samsung will never ever abandon them.
- Wakeup with home key
- NO IN-BURNS!!!
- brighter lightning, even when screen is in energy saving mode
- partwise usable for other functions (see hyperX camera mod)
It is as simple as this....
YOU PREFER YOUR GIRLFRIEND/WIFE TO BE "PHYSICAL" OR "VIRTUAL" ????
The answer to this is as easy as the answer to that
Rulinglionadi said:
It is as simple as this....
YOU PREFER YOUR GIRLFRIEND/WIFE TO BE "PHYSICAL" OR "VIRTUAL" ????
The answer to this is as easy as the answer to that
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:-D great analogy
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brooon said:
Huh? Device can be smaller?! You know that the result would be a smaller screen, right? In fact, if you want the same (usable) screen size, the device has to have the exact same size, even with CB.
I´m really enjoying my hardware buttons and I really hope that samsung will never ever abandon them.
- Wakeup with home key
- NO IN-BURNS!!!
- brighter lightning, even when screen is in energy saving mode
- partwise usable for other functions (see hyperX camera mod)
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Here's my reasons why NOTE 2 should get On-Screen buttons:
1) Position the Power button on top. Make it large. Make it clicky.
There you go, its easy to Wake phone again : )
2) The Burn-In is associated with the screen tech, not the buttons themselves.
This point is quite redundant/pointless. In fact the issue affected a tiny portion of Gnex users and the in-burn was associated with the entire screen NOT exclusive to the navigation buttons.
3) You do have a point. But changing the buttons to a white silhouette will make it bright and stand out. You then have the option of making it Grey so its easier on the eyes in the dark. Or red to save power. You can also set a "screen on time" for the Navigation buttons for how illuminated they are for what duration. And more options when in power mode. The possibility of tons of options makes this a positive thing, not a negative thing.
4) hyperX MOD is for the Volume Rocker not the Home/Back/Menu keys. Its still possible to have hyperX and On-screen buttons. What you will miss out on though is BLED: flashing of capacitive buttons when Notification arrives.
Solution: Notification light! (a la Gnex)
I'd like to make another suggestion: Curved Glass.
That way it molds around your face and bum cheeks. Feels a little more balanced in the hand. What do you think?
I personally love the off screen buttons, why do most people like onscreen buttons more? its a waste of screenspace innit?
I liked the off screen buttons on my galaxy s4 but that's because it made the screen look big, especially when comparing to phones with on screen. Prefer to use the on screen buttons on my OPO as it makes the screen a bit and smaller which is OK as it is a big one. It's nice to have the option though and is a thoughtful feature on the part of the designers. Just wish they put the buttons the right way around though, why put them the opposite?
On screen buttons are ugly
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Capacitive buttons all the way. Using on-screen buttons is a waste of screen real estate.
on screen buttons? rofl. have fun wasting 40% space of the screen for nothing.
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on screen buttons? rofl. have fun wasting 40% space of the screen for nothing.
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Lol, 40%?!
definitely off screen!
I'll choose off screen every single time...
Your phones' screen is it's biggest asset... Don't waste it
timmaaa said:
Lol, 40%?!
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it feels like that yea,
I like using on screen as I like easy access to switch apps, going left / right in text fields. And it hides when you do use full screen.
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it feels like that yea,
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Oh I know that feel.
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I like using on screen as I like easy access to switch apps, going left / right in text fields. And it hides when you do use full screen.
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Yeah the shortcuts are enticing.. but still nothing that special. The off screen buttons can be flipped as well if you try hard enough (through xposed).
I like on screen, but with the height of the nav bar slimmed down (to save that precious screen size).
On-screen buttons for me. One of the main reasons being that the capacitive buttons are a little hard to press sometimes (the buttons seem to be relatively small and you need to be fairly accurate). On-screen buttons are lot more forgiving and I never have to press the same button twice (happens sometimes with capacitive buttons). Also, easy access to recents is another minor reason.
Always on screen. Off screen buttons have a horrible layout and you have to keep pressing the left one to list open applications.
On screen for me, I got used to it on my mako. Plus u got haptic feedback when you press them, when I tried the capacitive buttons, I kept missing and I wasn't sure if I pressed anything. Plus you can customize and swap them however you see fit. And lastly this phone is too damn big, so making it a tad smaller is only good. I don't have such big hands.
With the option available I use capacitive buttons to save screen space, but if I had a choice I'd say scrap the capacitive buttons and make the overall height of the phone shorter. For a bigger screen to body ratio.
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i like both
On screen buttons is more easy to use for me
Capacitive buttons for more screen space but difficult to use
Hmmm I'm using offscreen buttons because all my devices before had that... (Samsung)
But as the device arrived, I said I use the onscreen Buttons but if there are offscreen buttons why I should waste screen for Buttons?
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I use onscreen buttons for the convenience of shortcuts, with "extended desktop(show statusbar)" enabled. So i only lose screen if i'm using the buttons, and still have access to the shortcuts easily.
Onscreen buttons. I come from a nexus 5 and my OPO is affected by the yellow band issues, so...why not take the chance to kill two birds with one stone? ?
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easy access to recents is another minor reason.
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+1 on that reason, but the further I go the less minor it seems. I use the recents button constantly.
The dynamic button assignment on-screen is confusing at first but ultimately more logical. The extra buttons when the keyboard is up are helpful occasionally.