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Xoom vs. EEE Pad Transformer

Hi guys,
now I'm probably not gonna win a popularity contest posting this but after reviewing the technical specs of the transformer with those of the xoom, I'm a bit surprised - where's the catch?
I mean the transformer is gonna have a dock and as far as I have seen the same basic features the xoom has, only its lighter. And it costs less?!
Normally, when things appear to good to be true, they usually are...
So - where's the catch?
And, where's the hype??

I find the Asus tablet (the name is just silly, though; "eee pad" for real?) interesting as well, although of course the proof will be in the pudding. The dock looks nice, but if it's an additional $300 or so then I'll not be interested. And I've found that Asus can have really mixed build quality--some stuff is great, others not so much.
The thing that does interest me, though, is the IPS screen. If reviews come out that show it has great build quality (equal to the Xoom, which I consider excellent), it's available for a similar price ($599 or less for 32GB wifi-only), the dock is reasonably priced (say, $150 or less, which might be a stretch since it includes a battery), and it's available from my retailer of choice (Costco), then I might consider returning the Xoom and getting it instead.
The one huge caveat for me, though, is the custom skin Asus is putting on it. I do NOT want anything to slow down updates, and so I like that the Xoom is stock Honeycomb. I don't really know that I'd trust Asus to come out with timely updates...

The catch is that the Xoom is available now, and the Asus one isn't (unless you're in Taiwan). Ditto with any other HC tablet, which in all likelihood will be cheaper than the Xoom's current pricing. When the mass release comes, my bet is that the Xoom will get cheaper as well. Moto's CEO has said as much, although not explicitly for the Xoom.
BTW, if you are in the States and are looking at the Euro prices as a benchmark, be aware that the US dollar has been slipping as of late, and there is no guarantee that there'll be a 1:1 parity with the Euro pricing. Not sure about the Canucks, but generally they get the same prices as the Yanks'.

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BTW, if you are in the States and are looking at the Euro prices as a benchmark, be aware that the US dollar has been slipping as of late, and there is no guarantee that there'll be a 1:1 parity with the Euro pricing. Not sure about the Canucks, but generally they get the same prices as the Yanks'.
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Also remember that most European countries have a VAT (Value Added Tax) that inflates prices by about 20%-25% depending on the country. Keep this in mind when looking at European prices and converting into USD.

If you own a Xoom now you are in a good position to get early updates and in one year the tablet market should be extremely competitive with great deals. Faster, lighter, thinner better screens, Android 4.0, you name it.
Quite often the hands on with some of these new tabs reveals a lot of cheap plastic, etc. The Xoom is extremely well built and I bet well be very desirable for quite some time.

Asus has only tablet i'm interested in & that's the Slate tablet..it costs like $1100.Plays 1080p video.Has a full Windows 7 operating system on a 12 inch tablet screen.Plus it has a I5 processor!!! But the all that said this thing has a battery life of only 3-4 hours & if you're watching a 1080p movie then you only get 2 hours . If it had a battery life of 7-8 hours i'd be all over it.So nothing can compare to the Xoom but that tablet
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Arun01 said:
Asus has only tablet i'm interested in & that's the Slate tablet..it costs like $1100.Plays 1080p video.Has a full Windows 7 operating system on a 12 inch tablet screen.Plus it has a I5 processor!!! But the all that said this thing has a battery life of only 3-4 hours & if you're watching a 1080p movie then you only get 2 hours . If it had a battery life of 7-8 hours i'd be all over it.So nothing can compare to the Xoom but that tablet
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I had a win7 tablet and can tell you win7 is a very cumbersome touch interface.

Hmm yea i've heard a few people say that too.
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rjoudrey said:
I had a win7 tablet and can tell you win7 is a very cumbersome touch interface.
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+100000.. To the point where you'd actually rather use a mouse and keyboard than it's touch capability..
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rjoudrey said:
I had a win7 tablet and can tell you win7 is a very cumbersome touch interface.
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I have a dell duo which is a 10 inch windows tablet/netbook. I agree win 7 is tough for touch interfaces but there are ways you can fix that. I adjusted a bunch of settings to make it more touch friendly
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krat0s123 said:
+100000.. To the point where you'd actually rather use a mouse and keyboard than it's touch capability..
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It is like the inverse of 2.2 on a tablet. As we now know it has to be built for a tablet from the ground up!

Arun01 said:
Asus has only tablet i'm interested in & that's the Slate tablet..it costs like $1100.Plays 1080p video.Has a full Windows 7 operating system on a 12 inch tablet screen.Plus it has a I5 processor!!! But the all that said this thing has a battery life of only 3-4 hours & if you're watching a 1080p movie then you only get 2 hours . If it had a battery life of 7-8 hours i'd be all over it.So nothing can compare to the Xoom but that tablet
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I have three windows based tablets: A Viliv X70, A Viliv S5 and an HP 2510US. All are running windows 7 and all are gathering dust.
Believe what the others on this forum are saying. Windows is an awful operating system for tablets. Its just painful to use. Even with a fast processor, somehow everything seems to bog down and crawl. Just scrolling a PDF file becomes a chore.
Stick to Windows for Laptops and Netbooks, and Android for tablets. You'll be much happier.
And if you think an Android convertible will give you the best of both worlds, I found that the trade-off in thickness and bulk with a convertible made it easier to just use my cell phone or a laptop then a convertible tablet. Becomes painful and awkward to hold after a while.
Edit: Might have to amend that last statement: just took a look at the Asus eee Pad transformer - seems the keyboard completely separates from the main tablet so you aren't forced to hold the added bulk. I guess, if one was willing to carry the keyboard around, I could see something like that being pretty useful.

The Asus 12'' Win7 slate has stylus (with pressure sensitivity!) - so it's no problem to click even small icons. On the other hand the battery live is very short and it has two fans. I was considering it but will probably buy Android device instead.

Yeah, I was semi interested till I saw 2 hour battery life under normal usage. I'll stick with my Xoom.
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Guys,
I don't mean the Windows version of the ASUS tablet but the transformer.
It runs Honeycomb just like the Xoom and according to Facebook has a video playback duration of 9 hours.
Plus it's cheaper, lighter and has an IPS screen.

graffixnyc said:
I have a dell duo which is a 10 inch windows tablet/netbook. I agree win 7 is tough for touch interfaces but there are ways you can fix that. I adjusted a bunch of settings to make it more touch friendly
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Have you put android on the duo to dual boot? If so how is it in comparison to IDK let's say the xoom? lol

pub00515 said:
Guys,
I don't mean the Windows version of the ASUS tablet but the transformer.
It runs Honeycomb just like the Xoom and according to Facebook has a video playback duration of 9 hours.
Plus it's cheaper, lighter and has an IPS screen.
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Don't forget when put on the keyboard it DOUBLES your battery life! Supposedly a total of 16 hrs with both batteries!!!

fabian29906 said:
Have you put android on the duo to dual boot? If so how is it in comparison to IDK let's say the xoom? lol
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I did run a x86 version of android on it, it sucked. hahaha Now I just basically use it to take to school or work and dual boot win 7 and ubuntu although with the duo I've been using it more for ubuntu instead of windows. If it did come anywhere close I wouldnt have gone out and gotten a xoom

martonikaj said:
Also remember that most European countries have a VAT (Value Added Tax) that inflates prices by about 20%-25% depending on the country. Keep this in mind when looking at European prices and converting into USD.
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Remember that in european countries VAT is actually included. What you see is what you get.

the transformer will be sold tomorrow on uk. hope someone make a video to compare screens and multi-touch.

[Q] Advice Wanted: What Tablet Should I Purchase To Run Win8?

I do not and have not ever owned a computer. I do love Windows Phone. So tempted am I after looking at god knows how many YT videos of the CP of 8. So. Tempted. What tablet do you guys recommend? What laptop? This is my first computer and I, quite frankly, expect it to last for a good while.
I know it's buggy. I know it's a beta. But damn does it look sexy.

If you want to get a tablet that can run Windows 8, is well-built, and modern-looking, and you want it before the proper Windows 8 tablets come out in the second half of the year... then the Samsung Series 7 Slate would be my recommendation.

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If you want to get a tablet that can run Windows 8, is well-built, and modern-looking, and you want it before the proper Windows 8 tablets come out in the second half of the year... then the Samsung Series 7 Slate would be my recommendation.
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Quite a hefty price tag on that. Every YT review mentions that the viewing angles are subpar. Your assessment as well? Otherwise, sexy specs, indeed. Added to the list, thanks.

Wait for windows 8 to launch and get a quality laptop with a touch screen. They will be flooding the market then and $750 will probably be enough for decent model. You may also want to avoid a tablet for windows 8 since software support for the ARM architecture is going to take a little time. A laptop with touch screen will allow you to fully enjoy the touch features metro brings while also being able to run everyday software and not just the simple metro apps.

I am running Windows 8 CP on a JooJoo (Intel Atom N270 and Nvidia ION), and it's running well. But I am jealous when I watch other people with Samsung Series 7 Slate running same tasks 3-4 times faster. So I would say that Samsung Slate deserves its money if you want power. But if you are looking for something affordable take a look at Winpad P100 with dual-core N570 and Hi-Definition 1366*768 screen. It will cost you around 450$. From what I read it is quite good compared to other Tablet PCs.
Cheers!

I owned a Samsung Slate for a week and I wouldn't recommend it.

cristidotro said:
I am running Windows 8 CP on a JooJoo (Intel Atom N270 and Nvidia ION), and it's running well. But I am jealous when I watch other people with Samsung Series 7 Slate running same tasks 3-4 times faster. So I would say that Samsung Slate deserves its money if you want power. But if you are looking for something affordable take a look at Winpad P100 with dual-core N570 and Hi-Definition 1366*768 screen. It will cost you around 450$. From what I read it is quite good compared to other Tablet PCs.
Cheers!
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This thing looks pretty good and when I googled it I found a website that it selling it for $349 (single core) and add $50 for the Dual Core so its only $400 bucks...

Acer Iconia Tab W500
I think one of the challenges you are going to run into right now is that no hardware manufacturer is really making a true Win8-optimized Laptop. Buying anything at the moment is kind of a crap-shoot as a result.
If you are truly looking owning something that needs to last a few years you may be better waiting until the product goes gold and Dell, HP, Lenovo (and even Nokia if rumors are to be believed) begin coming out with product that will take advantage of the touch-enabled interface. I know I'm not making any expensive personal decisions until then as I expect to see a lot of interesting stuff at that point.
For testing purposes I've been using an Acer Iconia Tab W500 since the DP release that was boosted with an 80GB SSD. Total cost was about $600.00 (Tablet plus SSD bought off eBay) and as a Tablet PC for testing it is a great deal for the money.

Wait until fully win8 compliant hardware available
To be able to use a Win8 tablet like any of the other modern tablets, it needs to be able to allow Metro apps (like mail, feeds, weather) to update themselves while the device is asleep.
To do this, the hardware has to support the Connected Standby (CS) state.
The CS presenter at the BUILD conference stated that the tablet handed out there (same as Samsung Slate XE700T) did NOT support CS.
That is why I stopped being interested in the Slate.
I would suggest waiting until devices running the full finished Win8 come out as they would most likely support all the designed-in Win8 functionality.
To those who think that a laptop with touch will do, I say that the Samsung Slate has shown that a dual core i5 64bit tablet is easily capable of replacing almost all current laptops, but in a more flexible and convenient format. I predict that tablets with keyboards will replace laptops almost completely (come the next replacement opportunity).

my recomendation...
If you absolutely can't wait, I have an Acer Iconia Tab W500.
10.1 Inches, AMD Fusion C-60 (yes, not C-50) dual core @1.0Ghz with Radeon HD6290 graphics, 2Gb of memory and a 32 Gb SSD for storage.
I got it with the Keyboard dock which ads a Lan and makes it an awesome choice.
Better by far than any atom out there.

MasterTB said:
If you absolutely can't wait, I have an Acer Iconia Tab W500.
10.1 Inches, AMD Fusion C-60 (yes, not C-50) dual core @1.0Ghz with Radeon HD6290 graphics, 2Gb of memory and a 32 Gb SSD for storage.
I got it with the Keyboard dock which ads a Lan and makes it an awesome choice.
Better by far than any atom out there.
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I second this. The W500 is so awesome. I have the version with C-50 and even this one does most games and programmes amazingly fast!

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I got the Samsung Slate. My reasoning is on my blog at gadgets dot itwriting dot com - I have too few posts here to give the link unfortunately. Search for Samsung.
Frankly, the device is not that well designed. The keyboard (optional extra) is particularly annoying, because it has no real on/off button. Very hard to pack a keyboard in such a way that keys do not get pressed accidentally. Consequently, if you pack keyboard + slate in your bag, with the slate on sleep, the keyboard wakes it up and bad things happen. Ended up removing batteries from keyboard when not in use, and they rattle around at the bottom of the bag.
Of course you don't need to get the keyboard; and with Windows 8 it works better than with 7 although I have not got the rotation sensor working yet. The Windows button doesn't work quite right, especially after it has been on for a while, but no great loss. Performance is great, and I don't regret the purchase given that I really need to use Windows 8 NOW.
If you can hold off though, I would definitely wait for devices that are designed for Windows 8.
Tim

^^ the Series 7 Slate keyboard has an off switch. Its the same button you click to put it in pairing mode.

dtboos said:
^^ the Series 7 Slate keyboard has an off switch. Its the same button you click to put it in pairing mode.
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I have found it works OK as an "on" switch but not as an "off" switch!
Tim

Hardware wise what's coming in the next few months?

bmstrong said:
Hardware wise what's coming in the next few months?
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Probably nothing. You won't see new devices until Win8 is ready to be released.

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Probably nothing. You won't see new devices until Win8 is ready to be released.
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Well, nuts. I convinced my brother to drop it onto his laptop. Absolutely fantastic for me, as a long time Windows user he was horrified. A lot, I think comes down to a fear of change and the misconception that you can't really do anything with the MetroTop. As a WP lover I couldn't be happier and wished they didn't even include the desktop side.
I'll look around at a couple suggestions, perhaps with the fever surrounding the iPad 3 I can snatch something cheap.

Your next tablet.???

So i was wondering if any of you fellow a500 owners decide to upgrade this year what tablet it might be...
I love my a500 but i will be upgrading this year as i love new tech toys
Currently i see 4 potential suitors. They are...
Obviously the Acer a510 10" quad core t3 ics tablet
Acer a700 HD 10" t3 ics tablet
Asus prime HD (better front camera and higher res screen than current prime)
Finally the only dual core device the Samsung note 10.1 just because i own the phone and know the potential and unique features this offers! (Better for business, email, notes etc... not as good for games as t3)
Please share your thoughts .
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im really thinking of getting acers new 7 inch one when it comes out, the ten is good, but bringing it with me a seven inch might be best.
BUt then agian I love my full sized usb port

The Asus memo looks nice as well. T3 ips and 250 bucks!
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I don't think I will be buying another tablet for years now. I use my A500 so rarely, and I want to be able to slap it in a dock and actually be able to use it for desktop-computing, something that none of the current tablets offer. Tablets are horrible for gaming, so even the improved performance doesn't mean anything to me.

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I don't think I will be buying another tablet for years now. I use my A500 so rarely, and I want to be able to slap it in a dock and actually be able to use it for desktop-computing, something that none of the current tablets offer. Tablets are horrible for gaming, so even the improved performance doesn't mean anything to me.
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yeah i really wish all the big companies would add the usb controller parts into their games, I look at some of gameloft games and go that looks good, by a fps with touch controls never work well.
Onlive with the xbox controller I got is really nice, granted if your near a router

I will buy a windows 8 tablet.

I have an A501 right now but my next one is going to open source, whether it is a linux or android it will have an open source operating system or at least be capable of it.
I have been shopping in China for days, looking for the perfect Tablet...
Must be open source or capable (unlocked bootloader & source available)
10 inch capacitive screen
integrated 3g and phone capable
USB host
HDMI with docking
8hr battery
Wifi & full bluetooth capable (HSP HFP SPP, HID)

I'm only using mine for reading books, some web browsing and web demoing to clients. I don't really have much need for it otherwise, but a Windows 8 tablet I would certainly buy when it's out.

Buying another android tablet does not make any sense, to me at least.
Android is great and all, it has good apps too.
Another Android tablet with better specs? It is still android!!!!!! you will rarely notice the difference between Tegra2 and 3.. ( Unless you download some games only to see a difference).
I'm not interested in Apple's iPad either, not at all.
So the next tablet? Windows 8. Most apps will not be optimized for touch, even Office apps, but does it matter? Well, using those apps won't be as easy as using Android apps, but they can actually replace a laptop!!!!!!
So, the next time I'm in the market for a laptop, not a tablet, I am going to buy a Windows 8 tab that has a dis-connectable keyboard. Thank you.

Thanks for the feedback you all have valid points. I was only stating t3 has better game performance and support over the exynos in the Samsung. Personally i don't game alot. But android tablet games are coming along way fast!
For me the reason for upgrading is in a few months ill be fixing my a500 in my truck as a stereo headunit media center. So I'm going to need /want something new.
Windows 8 might be an option but haven't look into it much. Still won't be released till end if year correct?
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WOW Jumping ahead way to soon
I do not know of one single app that will not run on the Iconia a500. Its just coming up on a year old 450.00 device . i will be using mine for a few more years atleast..
I really still enjoy my iconia and with ICS its even better.

I don't plan on upgrading from my iconia until jelly bean is mainstream. By then I think the tegra 2 will start to feel older and slower, and my battery won't have as good of a charge.
And keep in mind ICS isn't mainstream yet

I'm looking at the a700... a real possibility

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I'm looking at the a700... a real possibility
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Europe pricing is like 749 for 16 gb and just under 1000 for 64gb. Crazy
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If I were to replace my A501 I'd probably go for the Asus Padfone, that way I could replace my Samsung Galaxy S as well.
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(Acer Iconia A501 + Samsung Galaxy S I9000T)

I'll start by saying that I really do love Android and despite what anyone says, I do think it's only getting better and is definitely going places.
That being said, I believe my next tablet may just be a Windows 8 tablet...that is of course if they are in the same or a similar price range as Android tablets. It won't be this year. Well, never say never but I highly doubt it will be this year. More than likely next Summer is when I'll be looking.
Currently my A500 does what I want it to, I use it almost daily for everything and I'm very happy with it. I believe that similarly, I would use my Windows 8 tablet in this way with an added bonus of having it be synergistic with my desktop and notebook. That's really the only reason.
I would give it a bit of time - there are apps on Android that aren't currently made for Windows that I want to use and I'd like to see how popular the Windows Store gets with these apps and if they will be free or the right price. I'd also have to see how fluid the OS is on whatever tablet I was interested in. If everything meshes well and I like what I see/use then I will def. be going to Windows 8.
I'll get another Android tablet IF Windows 8 Tablet isn't the experience I expect it to be...again, more than likely sometime next year. Right now I'm quite happy with the A500. The top requirement will be (once bitten, twice shy) that it sources updates directly from/through Google and isn't skinned - so likely some kind of Nexus Tablet, lol.

There's nothing the A500 can't do right now. With our talented Devs bringing us ICS, it makes it even better. All the apps work as they should and all functions work as they should or better. I don't see myself upgrading until the next series of Iconia's get released.
That being said, if HTC smartens up and brings out a 10" tablet with an unlocked bootloader and S-OFF, I may have to snap that up. Abit of an HTC Fanboy at heart =p

I ordered the new iPad on March, 11. I will get it on 5th April.
Thats my next tablet.

I'm sure you have been forced. We all feel very sorry with you

my tablet is only for internet surfing. The display and the battery are better than any android device.
If there are Android tablets in future with stock android (because of fast updates without custom roms), 8h battery time while surfing or watch a movie and 1080P resolution or higher I could sell the iPad and get this new android tablet. But in nearer future I don't think, that this will happen.
I forgot: in germany sky go app ins only avaible Form ios and I want Tor use this

Is the Acer Iconia W510 the way to go?

Price wise, it is really catching my eye, although I'm speaking the "Tablet" only.
I feel as though the dock bundle is a bit pricey. $750.
Anyone have this & want to share a mini review or an alternative peice of hardware in comparison, value wise?

Genjinaro said:
Price wise, it is really catching my eye, although I'm speaking the "Tablet" only.
I feel as though the dock bundle is a bit pricey. $750.
Anyone have this & want to share a mini review or an alternative peice of hardware in comparison, value wise?
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Got to get that x86 processor. Prices for intel w8 tablets should drop around $500 soon. $750 is way too much for a glorified netbook.

True... Hell, surface really screwed the new wave of Windows, price wise.
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What happened to it?
The Acer W510 tablets have been yanked off all the Best Buy and Future Shop web sites - like it never existed? Anybody hear what happened?

Probably because it has only 32GB. For full Win8, that means only a few GB remains for data use. There's no space for anything else. It's not a usable device.
Perhaps not so coincidentally, the 32GB W510 is available now in MS Store as a $399 Cyber Monday deal.
http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msstore/pd/Acer-Iconia-W510-1674-Tablet/productID.258447300

I'm definitely planning on getting this device..at the price point it seems to offer the most bang for the buck. I like the size and weight and think it'll serve its purpose (consumption tablet w/ the ability to run full xbmc and ACTUAL desktop web pages) just fine. Aside from its lack of availability the only other thing I'm waiting for is a more detailed video review. In the meantime I've found this:
http://www.amazon.com/Acer-Iconia-W...dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

Samsung Series 7 Slate equals win.
Genjinaro said:
Price wise, it is really catching my eye, although I'm speaking the "Tablet" only.
I feel as though the dock bundle is a bit pricey. $750.
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I have the Samsung Series 7 slate that came with Windows 7. I love it, with Win8 that is. It has 64gb of space and you can add a microsd as well. Also has the i5 processor and 4gb ram. You can get one on eBay for maybe 600 or less tablet only. I was tempted a bit by the new Ativ 500, but it has the atom processor and half the ram. They are releasing a new series 7 but really pricey. Get the series 7 with win 7, pay the 40 for the upgrade and you won't regret it.:good:

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I have the Samsung Series 7 slate that came with Windows 7. I love it, with Win8 that is. It has 64gb of space and you can add a microsd as well. Also has the i5 processor and 4gb ram. You can get one on eBay for maybe 600 or less tablet only. I was tempted a bit by the new Ativ 500, but it has the atom processor and half the ram. They are releasing a new series 7 but really pricey. Get the series 7 with win 7, pay the 40 for the upgrade and you won't regret it.:good:
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for me it becomes a question of battery life and portability..how does it fare in those areas? If I didn't already have a laptop, I can defly see a home application for it. But I'm looking for something that I can take on the road

Yep.
KERKEDAGAIN said:
for me it becomes a question of battery life and portability..how does it fare in those areas? If I didn't already have a laptop, I can defly see a home application for it. But I'm looking for something that I can take on the road
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I take it with me everywhere. The 11.6 really to me is great. I mean, obviously it is a little bigger, but the screen resolution is so nice it is great. I got the Samsung Book cover for it, and carry it with me no problems. I had a 10.1 sammy gtab before. Battery life is good, except if you watch a lot of video, then it sucks it up. but that is true with any tablet. It lasts me all day though. I have never had to charge it before maybe 8 in the evening. The thing that is great over every tablet I have seen running win8 is no lag at all. I mean this thing is butter smooth. I have replaced my laptop completely with this. It runs desktop software great. Some are not made for touch though, so the stylus make that experience much better. If you want, the bluetooth keyboard works very well too.

For me, i'm still haven't decided between asus vivobook and acer iconia w7.
I still can't decided which form factor i want, a tablet or a touch screen laptop.
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The Vivo is nice, but I just can't get with rt only. I really like win8, I think is great for a tablet, and if you want something this is completely usable, rt just isn't there yet. Surface pro will be out, but 1 grand. Stiff. 4 hours battery life. Bummer. I love the form factor though. :good:

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I take it with me everywhere. The 11.6 really to me is great. I mean, obviously it is a little bigger, but the screen resolution is so nice it is great. I got the Samsung Book cover for it, and carry it with me no problems. I had a 10.1 sammy gtab before. Battery life is good, except if you watch a lot of video, then it sucks it up. but that is true with any tablet. It lasts me all day though. I have never had to charge it before maybe 8 in the evening. The thing that is great over every tablet I have seen running win8 is no lag at all. I mean this thing is butter smooth. I have replaced my laptop completely with this. It runs desktop software great. Some are not made for touch though, so the stylus make that experience much better. If you want, the bluetooth keyboard works very well too.
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I'm pretty amazed that a past generation i5 processor can last you all day.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834110479
That's cheap, and has a great Reslolution, for 300 bucks. It's got an atom, but it's cheaper than the Iconia, with double the storage. You'll have to install 8 through USB, though.

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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834110479
That's cheap, and has a great Reslolution, for 300 bucks. It's got an atom, but it's cheaper than the Iconia, with double the storage. You'll have to install 8 through USB, though.
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That is a headache waiting to happen. The processor is far too weak to get any real use out of it, even with an SSD.
Sometimes its worth saving just a little extra.

This device is a great tablet at a great price
I got the iconia W510 and I have to admin that I love it. It will take a little time to get used to the windows 8 gestures but after that it works very well. Also the $400 price tag is a steal for a fully x86 compatible tablet. Even though it has only the Atom clover trail, it's fast enough and does not really lag. It can do hbo-go from the browser with no issues. The screen is beautiful and clear. It also has NFC even though that does not seem to be advertised and not sure what it could be used for yet.... And for the record I am NOT a Microsoft fan boy, I have an IPad 3, an iPad mini, iPhone 5 and still love those devices but I got to admit that this tablet is great and I can use it to replace my laptop using the BT keyboard and mouse. I just need to get the keyboard dock and that can definitely replace a work laptop...

I decided on this device w/keyboard dock for these personal reasons:
not RT - 'nuff said
price - ivy bridge would be great, but not at those prices, I just assume sacrifice the hybrid flexibility and get a kick-ass ultrabook
size - 11.6" is cool for a notebook, but too cumbersome for a tablet
keyboard dock - it's very stable when docked and easy to connect/disconnect, the Asus less so, and I've heard multiple complaints of the Samsung Ativ frequently losing its connection altogether (no keyboard response), not acceptable
battery life - can work all day while docked and still have a fully charged tablet battery, the surface pro estimates are pathetic
storage - wish it had more on-board, I eliminated any 32 gb model from consideration
performance - granted, there's a hit compared to ivy bridge, but no doubt clover trail is an improvement over the previous atom, so far this has not been an issue for what I do with the device
For sure, my purchase decision is filled with compromises and trade-offs, but I guess that's how it is when considering a 1st-generation hybrid. I could have waited for the next gen when there will likely be less trade-offs and better values. But no, I wanted one of these now! I'm loving the flexibility of having a laptop and tablet in one device, and being able to run x86 apps helps make up for stuff lacking in the Windows store (i.e. DropBox).

Anyone able to comment on multitasking and gaming? specifically what is gaming like on the devcice. I know you wont get performance when playing games like modern warfare crysis etc but whats it like on the tablet games angry birds/jetpack joyride/riptide gp etc? I want something purely for consumption multimedia light gaming and internet surfing streaming, and am trying to deciede between intel and rt.

blucmal said:
Anyone able to comment on multitasking and gaming? specifically what is gaming like on the devcice. I know you wont get performance when playing games like modern warfare crysis etc but whats it like on the tablet games angry birds/jetpack joyride/riptide gp etc? I want something purely for consumption multimedia light gaming and internet surfing streaming, and am trying to deciede between intel and rt.
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I have the Asus Vivo Tab 11.6" one with Clover Trail processor like the Acer W510 and it does all the games from the Windows store quite well. It does Pinball FX2, and RIptide perfectly smooth. Hydro Thunder for some reason isn't as smooth on some parts but still smooth enough to be playable. I even installed Iron Man PC game from 2007 and it plays really well. Even the newest Google earth with 3d buildings works decently, but it sometimes crashes the graphics driver.
Multitasking is very smooth. When installing apps I can tell it takes like twice as long as an I5 or I7 PC but there's no lag at least. Switching between apps is very fast and smooth no matter what I have running on the background.

I have the Samsung 500T. I picked it because I wanted a 11.6 inch tablet for the more spacious keyboard. I had a real bad time with Acer's TF300 keyboard being too small and worried the W510 would be a similar experience.
That said. I do hate how slick the back of the 500T is. And it's really bad with 1080p videos. A reviewer mentioned their 500T had problems with 1080p also, but the W510 had no problems at all. So hopefully it's not a hardware limitation and Samsung can fix this eventually.
It's a shame so many Windows 8 Atom tablets have been delayed until mid January. Had I more patience, I probably should have waited. I think I might have liked the HP Envy X2 more. The ASUS seems to be out of the question with it's crazy price tag of $800 just for the tablet.
As for multitasking. I try to do it sparingly. And I avoid doing anything at all while x86 apps are installing as it's very laggy. I tend to spend most of my time with desktop apps. On the Windows 8 (Metro) those apps usually fly (as long as they don't involve playing 1080p videos).

Hey guys...typing this from the w510 keyboard dock I got from acer today. I bought my 32gb w510 from microcenter for $399 plus tax. Keyboard was $160 shipped. I've been using the keyboard for 10 minutes and will say I freaking love it. I guess I'm just so attracted to the functionality that a keyboard/touchpad add (had the original asus transformer). feels even more natural in the windows 8 environment.
The tablet itself is very lightweight, and I personally really like how it looks, the white trim, silver back, clean design. yes its plastic but mine feels really good.
Now for you guys new to the w510 there are some possible game breakers for you as far as bugs...
Sound will randomally just die and you have to restart the tablet to get it back. This has NOT happened to me since I installed the latest bios/drivers. Similarly, it has frozen on me a couple times, again - this has not happened to me since the drivers. Finally there is a big issue with the touchpad becoming wildly inaccurate. theres a debate whether that's a hardware issue or driver issue. Mine has not gone bonkers yet.
I gotta say I really like this tablet overall... especially with the dock for the price. My nexus 10 arrived today, I'm only keeping one of them.... I'll be honest and say its gonna be really hard to give up the w510 because of the overall package.
Those interested in gaming - the atom is not graphics friendly but it will play the windows store games. Performance wise, the atom should deliver similar non gaming/graphics functionality to that of the n10's xyneos (spelling) - I believe anandtech did a comparison on this.

Is the TF300 a bit outta shape? (Obsolete)

Okay, so recently we've seen the sprout of Windows 8 tablets and RT tablets. And it got me wondering, now that we have Windows tablets with keyboard docks, what's the point of the TF300 or Transformer Line at all?
I mean, look at it this way, for the users who bought it with the keyboard, we bought it for the tablet/pc experience. But now with Windows 8 tablets (and Win 8 Pro), what's the point of the TF300? Wouldn't you be more satisfied with the Surface tablet running full fledged Windows 8, and being able to use it with some of their basic apps for a tablet like experience?
That's just my 2 cents, I dunno. I'm thinking about saving for a Surface tablet without RT.

I still think TF300 is the best. It is Android (not Windows crappy SO) and my dock gives me more battery life. Windows 8 apps are sloooow to load, surface comes with many problems related to sound, and well, I'ts a Windows - after some months it will start to stay slow and buggy. I also hate that metro thing that you cannot even change. If I didn't buy the transformer at this time, I would buy it anyway.

The other Windows tablets don't even come close to the functionality the Asus Transformer Pad series offers. You don't have to use crappy Windows 8 for a start.

I am usually an early adopter, but I am waiting to see how the Windows RT market develops. In time, I think it will be as rich as the iOS and Android app markets, but it ain't there yet.
I also like the open nature of Android over iOS or Win RT. Windows is aiming for a compromise between the two environments: less restrictive than Apple, but still not open to multiple markets and varying levels of quality control/risk on the Android platform, which a lot of users will prefer. But Win RT is restricted, unlike the x86 version of Windows 8 (and all previous Windows OSs). So I don;t see Android losing its appeal, and thus the Transformer models are still strong tablets with keyboard capabilities.

I haven't seen a Windows tablet yet that will touch this Transformer.
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I mean recently I've been looking into getting a ASUS VivoTab which is similar to the Transformer series, but uses Windows 8 Pro, and an Atom Clover Field Dual-Core 1.8GHz processor, w/ 2GB's of RAM. It'll sustain my web browsing and be able to run legacy apps. That's what I'm really interested in, a laptop/tablet hybrid.
The TF300 doesn't keep me excited the way it used to :/ I really do wanna like it though.

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I mean recently I've been looking into getting a ASUS VivoTab which is similar to the Transformer series, but uses Windows 8 Pro, and an Atom Clover Field Dual-Core 1.8GHz processor, w/ 2GB's of RAM. It'll sustain my web browsing and be able to run legacy apps. That's what I'm really interested in, a laptop/tablet hybrid.
The TF300 doesn't keep me excited the way it used to :/ I really do wanna like it though.
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The way I see it, Windows 8 Pro looks great. BUT it can wait for the next laptop upgrade, at which point all laptops will be a tablet hybrid. Plus, going by the Microsoft "every other OS" curse, Windows 8 will suck compared to Windows 9.

Not just Android, but also price point: you're looking at US$200 more for the RT equivalent of the TF300.
I want a tablet, not a PC, and all the reliability you get with a tablet. I don't think there's anything wrong with Windows or Microsoft - I have two Windows PCs and think it's great for working on my desktop - but it's horses for courses, and I like the open nature of Android. You can expect Microsoft to mess something up or stifle development at some point: if Android didn't exist and development was left up to Microsoft then it'd be a much worse environment.
I can't imagine that I'd have a real use for a hybrid tablet/laptop though, not until the prices for touch screens come down a lot. At work and in my office here, the laptops end up getting plugged into a larger monitor and external keyboard for comfort reasons.
Or maybe I'm just getting old and resistant to change.

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Okay, so recently we've seen the sprout of Windows 8 tablets and RT tablets. And it got me wondering, now that we have Windows tablets with keyboard docks, what's the point of the TF300 or Transformer Line at all?
I mean, look at it this way, for the users who bought it with the keyboard, we bought it for the tablet/pc experience. But now with Windows 8 tablets (and Win 8 Pro), what's the point of the TF300? Wouldn't you be more satisfied with the Surface tablet running full fledged Windows 8, and being able to use it with some of their basic apps for a tablet like experience?
That's just my 2 cents, I dunno. I'm thinking about saving for a Surface tablet without RT.
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The biggest downside for windows 8 rt is you can only run rt apps which are few. I'll consider later when there is more app support. As I see it now if it isn't included you are stuck, compared to hundreds of thousands of apps for android.
Obsolete? No I don't think that is accurate. Newer tabs out, yes. That is the tech world. Buy today and get more bells and whistles tomorrow or use a current product until there is truly a good reason to upgrade or spend your bucks to have the latest.
I know which is best for me but you are the only one who can make a proper decision for yourself.
If it is right for you then certainly get one. No one can or should fault you for that.
Good Luck!

Yep I'm with the idea for the price tag this is more capable and better software..... Plus they are right the touch screen laptop bit is more attractive.....
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Honestly I don't like the way windows 8 is layed out. I do like the tablet / laptop design. But seriously windows 8 does not look compelling to me, they are trying to hard to make it look like android .
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