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Shooting Pictures in BURST mode gives noticable better Image Quality

Due to some findings of a Member in a German Forum.
The difference is clearly noticable
Shot in normal Mode
http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=_normalsbyfg.jpg
Shot with Burst Mode
http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=burstjgxhj.jpg
Probably one of the Devs can work out how to get the same image quality into normal Photo Shots
All credits go to stream1 @android-hilfe.de

Burst mode shot with sharper details.

zaynal said:
Burst mode shot with sharper details.
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to me (as a photographer, not a modder/hacker) it looks like they do no noise reduction. Which makes sense because this takes processing time (even with DSLR's). so probably thats why. I'd love to be able to turn off the dreaded noise reduction/sharpening (actually all post processing) and do it afterwards in photoshop/lightroom if i care.

This difference is ridiculous. I just tested it out myself...bad Sony.
Lucky it shows the sensor has potential though!
burst on:
http://i.imgur.com/a4ptsKd.jpg
burst off:
http://i.imgur.com/SWUhAKw.jpg

Very strange why this happen!
Why the hell Sony process their image so bad and so much?
BTW which burst mode do you use? Hi, Lo or Mid? Mid has better resolution

Similar results. Why is BURST so much better? What's up with that?

swooks said:
Similar results. Why is BURST so much better? What's up with that?
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less image processing for burst mode! as the user said above ....no denoise.

So we have the choice between Noisy or Blurred pictures! Hooray!
JPWOA said:
Why the hell Sony process their image so bad and so much?
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That is really good question! Maybe the sun is different in Japan, or they calibrated the sensor on their secret Moonbase! jk...
Either they created the noise reduction in a labor only with artificial light, or they ported the noise reduction from previous sensors to the Exmor-RS sensor (Xperia Z is the first phone to use the new sensor, right?)
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BTW which burst mode do you use? Hi, Lo or Mid? Mid has better resolution
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Can't blame you! I can choose between:
Hi: 1280x720
Mid: 3920x2204
Lo: 1920x1080
WTF sony ?
Oh..... here one more in Indors, Light is on but it's still kinda Dark!
The anti noise filter does kinda good in bad lit rooms!
Burst:
http://i.imgur.com/FTRcvPF.jpg
iAuto:
http://i.imgur.com/bo04nVV.jpg
One more with Light off, Smartphone light on!
Burst:
http://i.imgur.com/FTZnuqf.jpg
iAuto:
http://i.imgur.com/ieqYm5X.jpg

Modify
So.. the question now is... is there any devs that can turn this function of?
Maby make a new apk for camera?
I dare you..

Amazing. Hopefully Sony take a look and update the normal mode to look like this.

Contact Sony
Go to your local Sony site (uk,usa etc) find the contact section and choose phone and type in the issue, lets see if we can get Sony to fix this

i used burst mid.

This is an awesome find. Finally everyone will see that there is in fact something wrong with the software and that it needs to be fixed.
SONY ARE YOU READING THIS???

It would be amazing if someone could do a comparison between these burst mode photos and other popular phones like the iPhone 5, GS3, Lumia 920 or Pureview 808. Considering how much sharper and better things look overall in burst mode, I'm very curious how this now stacks up against the competition.

Here are some pictures from burst mode, you can check the complete album with more high resolution pics here: Burst album
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Here some more comparission shot in bright Daylight!
Burst:
http://i.imgur.com/bPC5Lzi.jpg
iAutomatic:
http://i.imgur.com/f3YryS2.jpg
Burst2:
http://i.imgur.com/8amHz4v.jpg
iAutomatic2:
http://i.imgur.com/ZcAIouy.jpg
Thats horrible!
BTW: There is not even a Support Page for the Z yet...
http://www.sonymobile.com/us/support/phones/
http://www.sonymobile.com/us/support/contact-us/country/en_US/
Chose Location, set topic to Phones (E-Mail support) and write

Haldi4803 said:
BTW: There is not even a Support Page for the Z yet...
http://www.sonymobile.com/us/support/phones/
http://www.sonymobile.com/us/support/contact-us/country/en_US/
Chose Location, set topic to Phones (E-Mail support) and write
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Because it's not on sale in the US!
You can find it here: http://talk.sonymobile.com/community/support/xperia_z_zl

For me personally i think that the camera is not to good. I have tried a variety of settings but my pictures look washed out with an opaque appearance. I have read similar reviews to this and can only hope that an update will rectify said issues.
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krabappel2548 said:
Here are some pictures from burst mode, you can check the complete album with more high resolution pics here: Burst album
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Are you using the mid settings here mate?
Seriously we need to be louder to point sony their mistake ..damn hillarious!
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lyndonguti said:
Are you using the mid settings here mate?
Seriously we need to be louder to point sony their mistake ..damn hillarious!
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yes, mid setting

How to get a better low light picture

Just found out how to make good low light pictures with some changes in camera settings.
The settings are :
Manual mode
change the EV to +1.0
flash on
HDR off
Here are 2 pictures to show the differences:
Superior auto:
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Settings above:
-This settings are exceptional when you shoot near objects,like people,pictures in the room..
-Try it yourself and report.
-Thank me if you find this thread helpful.
C6603 ?

Night scene does a decent job taking low light pictures. Better than superior auto.
If you reduce the resolution for some reason helps make better low light pics.

DrKrFfXx said:
Night scene does a decent job taking low light pictures. Better than superior auto.
If you reduce the resolution for some reason helps make better low light pics.
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Not better than my settings, try it yourself.
Night scene:
C6603 ?

I can't seem to find "Contrast" settings?
Do you mean Exposure Value (EV)?

Sorry for that,yes it's EV.
I will fix that in the post
C6603 ?

Look stop asking for a perfect photo in complete darknes. Yes Lumias illuminate a room in an bizzare way, but that is so artifitial. The point of LOW LIGHT is that when there IS SOME LIGHT the phone captures SOME MORE DETAIL. It's not meant to be a night vision feature. LOW LIGHT - even in the name it indicates that there has to be some light.
And with the recent updates it takes relly good lowlights in superior auto.

Sidd_9 said:
Look stop asking for a perfect photo in complete darknes. Yes Lumias illuminate a room in an bizzare way, but that is so artifitial. The point of LOW LIGHT is that when there IS SOME LIGHT the phone captures SOME MORE DETAIL. It's not meant to be a night vision feature. LOW LIGHT - even in the name it indicates that there has to be some light.
And with the recent updates it takes relly good lowlights in superior auto.
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Nobody's asking for a perfect photo. He's just sharing what what he found that is taking good photos in low light.
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@Sidd_9 Okey,but the 'Low light' is bad at superior mode,and night scene is nothing better.
C6603 ?

it really depends on what you classify as a "better" low light photo.
OPs photo is one that is lit up brightly with the flash, and looks like you have the light in the room turned on.
But others may want a photo which shows the ambience of the scene in low light, and have a more evenly exposed photo albeit it being a bit darker overall.
End of the day, depends on what you are trying to capture in your photo.

If you can hold it still, use fireworks mode:

electric0ant said:
it really depends on what you classify as a "better" low light photo.
OPs photo is one that is lit up brightly with the flash, and looks like you have the light in the room turned on.
But others may want a photo which shows the ambience of the scene in low light, and have a more evenly exposed photo albeit it being a bit darker overall.
End of the day, depends on what you are trying to capture in your photo.
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If u want to make a photo for examp. to your friends. They will be dark and hard to see with superior mode.
I just hate that. It's more detailed and more light with this manual settings like with an S4 or HTC One.
C6603 ?

DoubleYouPee said:
If you can hold it still, use fireworks mode:
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You think I didn't tried it?
C6603 ?

svaka cas majstore
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How bout shooting friends at night? Any sample +settings?
-sent from that phone below

you may limit the ISO, to 400 or 800 with EV+1
Noise will greatly reduced, but you must hold steady too...

boyq said:
How bout shooting friends at night? Any sample +settings?
-sent from that phone below
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A gun with a laser sight

Thanks to the OP I tried this with my ZR and it works a treat.
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Starlith said:
Thanks to the OP I tried this with my ZR and it works a treat.
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Np
Tried something else,the pictures are better at night with superior mode when you shoot landscapes.
So, this settings are only for near objects,like people,pictures in the room..
C6603 ?

beni8978 said:
Np
Tried something else,the pictures are better at night with superior mode when you shoot landscapes.
So, this settings are only for near objects,like people,pictures in the room..
C6603 ?
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Night portrait and night works good too for me.
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For landscapes, yes
C6603 ?

Turn down the white balance = huge difference (camera)

6am lighting
Normal manual
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Adjusted white balance lowest setting

How do u turn down the WB in manual mode, all I see is Wb auto, and the slider called EV that one u mean? I turn down the iso at 100 makes picture better but shutter speed is slower
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yes I think he talks about EV. turning down EV all the xperia (since Xperia S) devices get better images (more details)

Hm just tried it out (good lighting) and it DOES seem to provide better images! Am quite surprised!
Now to try it out in low-light, which hopefully, won't turn out a black image..

guybrush2099 said:
yes I think he talks about EV. turning down EV all the xperia (since Xperia S) devices get better images (more details)
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What is EV option? I can not find this option in M mode.

z_harris said:
What is EV option? I can not find this option in M mode.
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EV setting can be found between the Flash and the Settings icons. Its signified by the 3 slider bars. You can move it either +2 to -2, which in this thread is suggesting is to set it to lowest possible setting.

bloodfire1004 said:
EV setting can be found between the Flash and the Settings icons. Its signified by the 3 slider bars. You can move it either +2 to -2, which in this thread is suggesting is to set it to lowest possible setting.
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Tank you
i was thinking of something else. White balance mode - still sleeping -not reading. Tanks again. Best regards.

dawen said:
How do u turn down the WB in manual mode, all I see is Wb auto, and the slider called EV that one u mean? I turn down the iso at 100 makes picture better but shutter speed is slower
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its TRUE that with ISO 100 images is SUPERB in comparison of AUTO ISO... almost NO NOISE AT ALL AT 100 ISO...
But... ISO 100 is for ALL LIGITING CONDITIONS ? can i use it even in a dark room & at OUTSIDE SUN LIGHT ?
Someone that knows pls answer

*Sigh* Of course ISO 100 is not for all lighting conditions... THe more light there is the lower you can set the ISO value, but in darker surroundings you'll just get a sharp but very dark image. It's all in the balance.
Automode just has a habbit of increasing ISO too fast...

dagrim1 said:
*Sigh* Of course ISO 100 is not for all lighting conditions... THe more light there is the lower you can set the ISO value, but in darker surroundings you'll just get a sharp but very dark image. It's all in the balance.
Automode just has a habbit of increasing ISO too fast...
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So outside with SUN LIGHT i can use 100 or 50 iso for perfect pictures ?

My ISO is auto nothing. To worry
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DjTony90 said:
So outside with SUN LIGHT i can use 100 or 50 iso for perfect pictures ?
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I'd think so, but auto-mode would also use ISO-64 or something in those cases...

Uh well, the EV control is one of the way to control the shutter speed in Z1. Do a comparison shots and check the EXIF data.
Lower EV -> Less light ->Faster shutter speed -> Less motion blur -> More details!
Lower the EV will lower the ISO as well, leads to lower noise.

isnt EV the exposure level?

Yes it is, EV = Exposure Value
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Seems like wrong exposure metering is a chronic issue with Sony. Same problem with Xperia T those days: http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_t-review-820p7.php
Q: Given Sony history (I'm coming from Nokia), how much improvements in imaging we can expect from Z1 via future updates?
Cheers,
Miki

Sony Z1 Compact Photography Thread

Future Z1 Compact user here (still waiting for it to be release here in our region)!
Haven't seen a camera samples thread here so I started one. Share our pics, tricks, and tips here!

Sample
Here are some pictures from reviews. These are taken from Recombu and in no way belongs to me.
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Manual 8 MP; Auto ISO (80)
Manual 8 MP; ISO 400

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Here are some pictures from reviews. These are taken from Recombu and in no way belongs to me.
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Manual 8 MP; Auto ISO (80)
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Manual 8 MP; ISO 400
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Tip no. 1 .... Don't use Auto mode. It sucks.

Arthur Hucksake said:
Tip no. 1 .... Don't use Auto mode. It sucks.
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Superior Auto mode sucks... Manual Mode with Auto ISO doesn't.

Manual, 8 mpix
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Manual 8mp night scene. Also I might just suck at photography.
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Suggest people use flickr so we can see the settings used. tapatalk is useless at understanding how the camera works.
if you cannot do that then mention iso, shutter speed & scn mode (if any). This will get you looking at these parameters and help to understand why shots don't turn out as expected or how to get better ones.

Here's one of my test shots, I really like the dynamic range of the camera (see shadow detail)
F/2, 1/800s, ISO 50, Manual Mode @ 20MP (iirc)
original (left) and edited with Snapseed (right)

Good concert samples from louis0815
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=50454715&postcount=2

Is anyone else finding the shutter lag really bad on this phone? After I press the capture button it seems like it freezes the frame and takes a photo, but then clearly continues the exposure for another half second or so before finalizing, meaning if you move the camera it goes into blursville.
In general it seems pretty bad at capturing anything in motion (and I mean mild motion, not requiring sports mode).
I'm really stunned as to how Sony can have allowed such a flawed camera onto a flagship device. In ideal conditions like sunlight etc it takes AMAZING photos, pretty much digicam quality... but you almost need a tripod to get a clear shot in lower light conditions. It's a bit of a bummer for a device which is in every other respect awesome.

Richdog said:
Is anyone else finding the shutter lag really bad on this phone? After I press the capture button it seems like it freezes the frame and takes a photo, but then clearly continues the exposure for another half second or so before finalizing, meaning if you move the camera it goes into blursville.
In general it seems pretty bad at capturing anything in motion (and I mean mild motion, not requiring sports mode).
I'm really stunned as to how Sony can have allowed such a flawed camera onto a flagship device. In ideal conditions like sunlight etc it takes AMAZING photos, pretty much digicam quality... but you almost need a tripod to get a clear shot in lower light conditions. It's a bit of a bummer for a device which is in every other respect awesome.
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I haven't notice this on mine. My kid is constantly on the move and don't usually have problems getting a good shot.
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Edited on stock Sony software on a stock phone.
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Gothenburg
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Yep. A lot better than Davenport, Iowa USA.
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I haven't taken that many pictures but I really like the colours in this one. That's done on superior auto at 8mp. One thing that annoys me is that you can't set superior auto to use the full 20mp
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Dear all,
Would you mind checking the manufacturing date of your Z1C and share?
I wrote in a different thread:
I bought the device and I was very disappointed with the camera. I tried different modes and settings and in all of them the same photos I took with the galaxy S2 were significantly better (more focused, less noise, more vivid colors, more details in crops..) ! (regular scenes/light conditions).
In addition I have the flash leakage problem..
Also the camera looses focus during video capture..
...
I think maybe the first manufacturing line has these problems which are also reported online, could you kindly check the manufacturing date of your device?
Mine is Oct, 2013 (black version)
Thanks !!

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Those look really beautiful to me. What settings did you use for these?

Sponge.BoB said:
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I bought the device and I was very disappointed with the camera. I tried different modes and settings and in all of them the same photos I took with the galaxy S2 were significantly better (more focused, less noise, more vivid colors, more details in crops..) ! (regular scenes/light conditions).
In addition I have the flash leakage problem..
Also the camera looses focus during video capture..
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I'm also a bit disappointed by the camera to be honest. My previous phone was the galaxy S2. In my opinion the camera performs pretty bad under low lightning (manual mode, no settings touched) and also not really special under normal conditions. Maybe I just suck at photographing.
I don't have any flash leakage problem though.

Hideous image processing

What the actual ****, Sony?
I always noticed something was sheit about this camera and I kind of knew it was about the image processing but never realised just how had it is.
Standard picture, manual, 21mp 4:3, no HDR, fully zoomed in:
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Screenshot from a 4K video, no SteadyShot, H264, fully zoomed in:
How could you possibly ruin a picture so much? Not to mention the raw image from the 21mp shot has a much better quality than a frame from a video!
Does anyone know of a way to disable this?

Sony has messed up the camera with lag to launch it and to do a capture... I dont understand really what is the issue to improve that. I have readed that RAM is important.

dfavefenix said:
Sony has messed up the camera with lag to launch it and to do a capture... I dont understand really what is the issue to improve that. I have readed that RAM is important.
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RAM might be related to the launch issue but where is the problem in just disabling the anti-noise algorithm altogether?

ztv-- said:
Standard picture, manual, 21mp 4:3, no HDR, fully zoomed in:
Screenshot from a 4K video, no SteadyShot, H264, fully zoomed in:
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Fixed ur links for u
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WOW
looks like the camera app needs to be rewritten from scratch !
with camera2 api in mind maybe ?!

ztv-- said:
RAM might be related to the launch issue but where is the problem in just disabling the anti-noise algorithm altogether?
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Yeah, where is it. Algorithm is all broken around... Really it isn't understable. Sometimes I think if Sony has something under contract with the others companies and it messes up the software post process.... It's the unique lame in Sony right now if you see the Galaxy S7, LG G5, Huawei P9... Curious thing that Sony is the coolest thing in the sensor industry. Casualty or...

langeveld024 said:
Fixed ur links for u
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Ty, can't post links yet.
anasgets111 said:
WOW
looks like the camera app needs to be rewritten from scratch !
with camera2 api in mind maybe ?!
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It's nothing short of ridiculous that this phone does not fully support Camera 2 API yet. Sony has been marketing this phone all around the camera but they don't deliver anything.
I'll put up a post on the Sony forums and see how it turns out.

So if we want a good quality picture, record in 4k and take a screenshot? Lol
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Ben36 said:
So if we want a good quality picture, record in 4k and take a screenshot? Lol
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The best camera in the world, isnt? lol

I've noticed when you double tap to zoom in it zooms in A LOT. Meaning you see more noise/blurriness. In other phones when you double tap to zoom it doesn't zoom in as much so it looks sharper. But the camera is actually pretty good, SA sometimes gets it completely wrong in low light situation and the shutter lag is ridiculous. Takes too long to take a picture.

Ben36 said:
So if we want a good quality picture, record in 4k and take a screenshot? Lol
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That is literally what I did when I took a bike trip yesterday. Recorded about 1:40 minutes which resulted in almost a gigabyte of video and I extracted exactly 47 still images out of that.
You need a lot of storage but it's a possible workaround. Sad this camera ruins an otherwise great phone.

the camera supports manual controls with fv-5 camera app . Just no raw suport

NexusGTS said:
the camera supports manual controls with fv-5 camera app . Just no raw suport
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And only 8mp
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langeveld024 said:
And only 8mp
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Nothing comes close as stock app with manual controls, like samsung or lg camera apps.
I tried that camera fv 5 or how it was called actualy, and i was not impressed at all.
I really like this phone, but I am dissapointed with the camera.
Also camera interface sucks, it is okay for auto mode but for manual mode you have to go in settings just to change iso or hdr? Really Sony?
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dfavefenix said:
Sony has messed up the camera with lag to launch it and to do a capture... I dont understand really what is the issue to improve that. I have readed that RAM is important.
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They seemed to have improved it significantly in the Xperia X, which is ridiculous as its specs aren't more powerful than the Z5. They are also advertising 0.6 shutter response from standby and "almost instantaneous" shutter response from normal use of the app. Yet if you look at a few of the MWC demos, you can see the shutter response is faster but it still captures very slightly after... On the show floor there were two demos emphasizing the autofocus and shutter from standby, but few people filming there actually showed the shutter response conclusively.
Third party apps have the potential to have less shutter lag but I found the on-screen camera button and physical button to be often unresponsive, probably because the autofocus is badly optimized.