After seeing how well the Moto X performs, I have to wonder is there any real point in constantly making phones that use faster chips such as the snapdragon 600 or 800 when Motorola proves that they can do the same on a dual core S4? Or has the spec race always been pointless and only caters to the desire of the consumer to have the "best." I own both the Moto X and a Google edition HTC One, and despite how much "higher end" the One is, I feel like the Moto X is the better device. Will other manufacturers start doing what Motorola is doing with the deep software-hardware integration, or will they continue to rely on the most cutting edge hardware?
Current Devices: Moto X, HTC One Google Edition, Oppo Find 5
All Moto did was out together an almost bare bones stock phone and focus on what really matters and has high impact for most people. Granted, the motoX may not be for everyone, depending on whether they prefer a larger screen or perform heavier tasks that may be better handled with a quadcore cpu. But for the majority, motoX is about as clean as it gets to being pure stock Android without bloaty oem launchers or UI tweaks. It comes with just a few custom moto apps that people will actually use more than once compared to the gimmicky features that come. Things like gif creators or nfc bump file transfers are of no use to me. But something like active notifications and moto assist is something going I and most others can use everyday.
So to answer your question, spec race isn't over yet, but I think there will be rush from Samsung and HTC to try to close the gap and duplicate the moto apps. There definitely will be an increased emphasis on user experience from here on out as consumers start to realize that cutting edge specs doesn't always translate to best experience.
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All Moto did was out together an almost bare bones stock phone and focus on what really matters and has high impact for most people. Granted, the motoX may not be for everyone, depending on whether they prefer a larger screen or perform heavier tasks that may be better handled with a quadcore cpu. But for the majority, motoX is about as clean as it gets to being pure stock Android without bloaty oem launchers or UI tweaks. It comes with just a few custom moto apps that people will actually use more than once compared to the gimmicky features that come. Things like gif creators or nfc bump file transfers are of no use to me. But something like active notifications and moto assist is something going I and most others can use everyday.
So to answer your question, spec race isn't over yet, but I think there will be rush from Samsung and HTC to try to close the gap and duplicate the moto apps. There definitely will be an increased emphasis on user experience from here on out as consumers start to realize that cutting edge specs doesn't always translate to best experience.
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Truth be told the Moto X isn’t stock, it just has the stock UI on top of a relatively standard Motorola software build, but it does have a heck of a lot less of the operator preload crapware that normally shows up on Android phones sold with a subsidy these days.
http://anandtech.com/show/7235/moto-x-review/3
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After seeing how well the Moto X performs, I have to wonder is there any real point in constantly making phones that use faster chips such as the snapdragon 600 or 800 when Motorola proves that they can do the same on a dual core S4? Or has the spec race always been pointless and only caters to the desire of the consumer to have the "best." I own both the Moto X and a Google edition HTC One, and despite how much "higher end" the One is, I feel like the Moto X is the better device. Will other manufacturers start doing what Motorola is doing with the deep software-hardware integration, or will they continue to rely on the most cutting edge hardware?
Current Devices: Moto X, HTC One Google Edition, Oppo Find 5
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this is the same conversation that happened with computers and clock speed/cores a few years ago. more cores and higher clock speeds come to a point of diminishing returns and optimization is necessary to grow performance at that point.
This won't stop the spec race.
When OEMs realize price is what will win the "war", not specs, we'll finally get somewhere.
Maybe its just me, but I dont get what people are doing with their phones that they need such high spec'ed devices. When I look at a device I look for snapiness, response, and overall usability. Most phones achieve this by optimizing their custom software on the device. Its not about the specs people, its about how you make the software to interact with the device specs. I love my Moto X, as a matter of fact, I took back my S4 Active for it. S4 active is so full of bloatware, it reminds me of my mothers computer everytie she asks me to fix it, it has at least 6-7 toolbars in IE, and you can barely search anything. Some options are great on devices like the S4, but when you stick to simplicity, things work way better. My Moto X has been invaluable to me so far in terms of battery life, and touchless controls. Yes I use them, while driving. Convenient and safe for me and my family.
Just my 2 cents...
Coming from the S4 Active and the HTC One before that I can honestly say that this is the best Android phone I've ever used. It is every bit as fast as those two, if not faster, but even smoother with absolutely zero lag. Couple the amazing performance with the perfect physical design and you've got the Android phone that all others aspired to be but fell short. Screw the spec war, what Motorola did with this phone is nothing short of outstanding. I feel like this is the smart phone I've always wanted. Now if only I can get this crappy battery life figured out...
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Even if u put 8 cores (which they're doing) on a touchwiz phone, its still gonna be laggy in some areas! I had the One before this phone and that was much better but still had some hiccups! To my surprise, I haven't experienced any hiccups on the X yet but obviously having stock android helps a lot! Not a lot of the ram is being used up and correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't this phone use Motorola's new x8 core structure which is really awesome!
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I think it compares to 'higher' end devices just fine. People are knocking it saying it's last year's specs but there was an article I read about the whole S4 pro/600 and there was a guy who is very knowledgeable when it comes to CPU's and he even said he is confused as to what makes a 600 a 600 and what makes a pro a pro. He said they are basically exactly the same from an architecture stand point. He even stated he thinks what makes a 600 a 600 and a pro a pro is the clock speed. I have the HTC One, the X and the Oppo Find 5. I'm pleasantly surprised how well the X runs. This phone is no slouch and I wouldn't consider it a mid range device. (I did consider it one before I owned one) don't get me wrong I still love my HTC one, I also love my find 5 but my X is my new love so she has been getting all the attention lately. Hehe
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I recently sold my HTC one, and plan on returning my droid maxx once the moto x arrives. I love the way the x feels in hand. I'm going to miss the battery on the max though.
I think the processor is underrated and think motorola put out a great lone of phones this year and it will only lead to better phones in the future
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The only time I could see this phone falling behind is if apps begin to fully utilize four cores, but to be honest, I'd take 2 high power cores over 4 low power cores any day. Sadly, the cores in the X aren't anything over the top and probably wouldn't out perform two of the cores from a snapdragon 800 (2.3ghz). I know on my desktop I have an AMD Athlon 64x4 @2.8ghz that performs about the same as my i5 2450m @2.5ghz (turbo and almost always at 3.1ghz). As soon as I get an application that can't utilize all 4 cores the performance is nearly halved when compared to the i5 and makes it seem like a dog. As I said though, it's no suprise that this phone performs as good or even better than "more powerful" devices. I mean, I just can't see flipping through home pages and what not requiring anything more than a decent dual core processor. Optimization is key, and throwing more cores at it won't help.
I suppose my Nexus 4 is no longer a high-end phone. But still, it is not that bad yet after having MOTO X, I hardly touch my N4 anymore for two major reasons: touchless control and the compact size of MOTO. The screen size is the same, but the phone size ain't. Additionally, N4, to me at least, has a wired headphone jack. MOTO X has it in the middle, much easier to hold.
And of course, the dimple
The only super major huge disappointment is the MOTO X's camera. Oh my goodness, magic tweak twice to wake up this crappy camera?
That said, X is more than enough to impress average consumers. It is definitely not for geeks and spec-lovers
I have a Xperia S and I am tempted to buy a moot x what do you think it's good idea? Does it worth it? I know that the camera of the MotoX takes "funeral mode" photos compared to the Xperia S
I saw that the performance it's great but I still don't know
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I get no lag with any of my apps with the dual cores, even the store models and I noticed the other store models did struggle at times. Reminds me of when the HTC Vivid came out, as one of the first dual core phones....no one could use it to the full potential, so I think the Quad Cores should be better utilized in the next generation of phones, but Moto X has more than enough power right now.
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Even if u put 8 cores (which they're doing) on a touchwiz phone, its still gonna be laggy in some areas! I had the One before this phone and that was much better but still had some hiccups! To my surprise, I haven't experienced any hiccups on the X yet but obviously having stock android helps a lot! Not a lot of the ram is being used up and correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't this phone use Motorola's new x8 core structure which is really awesome!
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No need to lie, the HTC One does hiccup at all.. With that said, I'm considering going to the X simply because of battery life. I just feel like I will miss the aluminum, front speakers and camera.
I got the Moto X and love it. Everything runs smooth and fliud all throughout the system and apps. I'm selling my HTC One and GE S4 but am getting a Dev edition One. I really hope Google and Motorola keep making phones like this and this is just the beginning.
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Hey guys, so i have a unique opportunity that ive been given, i could if i want trade in my incredible for a Droid X, because my friend has a 2 year upgrade available and he really wants an incredible, so he told me he was fine with buying a Droid X with the upgrade and then me and him just swap phones
I know that in general, the phones are very close performers, however im just looking at one specific thing here and that is the Camera that both utilize... HTCs is 8 megapixels and Motorolas is also 8 Megapixels... both are also capable of taking 720p videos so on paper they would seem to be idential, however we know thats not the case
Alot of users have reported that the HTC Incredible / Evo Camera while taking 720p video is rather mediocre and sub-par to what youd expect, and that it also suffers from a low FPS video capture using that resolution... So i was wondering if the Motorola solution is the same way or does that 8MP Camera that they utilize in the Droid X a superior one to that of the DINC?
Honestly, the camera and video performance has been a phenomenal experience on the incredible. Your dealing with a phone here and the differences between the two (if there are) will be quite slim. Sure if you put the two side by side, you may see a difference however it's not going to be replacing your point-and-shoot camera or DSLR.
If you're stuck deciding between the two I'd highly suggest you take a look at what's going to feel better for yourself whether it be the size/form factor or the software that your dealing with/ whether or not you want to be able to have the ability to switch roms.
If you absolutely don't care and the decision maker comes down to the camera, honestly, either one will be a fantastic choice -- I just suggest rethinking where you are on the fence about the phones.
Its not just a camera... however the Droid X's size does not bother me at all, ive been tinkering with them in the verizon stores for awile now and havent been dissapointed..
FYI i went into a Verizon store today and went to one of the Droid X's up on display and installed Quadrant Benchmark on it from the market and right off the display shelf it did a 1200 quadrant score... and thats running a 2.1 rom fully stock with no modification.... 1200s is what we incredible owners are hitting running FROYO and custom roms, that won me over... the Droid X is just a better performer
good luck with the locked bootloader
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Thats the one downside that im fully aware of... coming from a rooted and rom'd incredible
Honestly, benchmarks don't mean ****. I've used both and I can tell you, without a doubt, the incredible is faster, smoother, and all around nicer to look at.
On paper the X seems like it should perform MUCH better than the Incredible (sorry... OMAP vs. Qualcomm ANYTHING... OMAP wins), but yeah in having an incredible and spending a decent amount of time with the X, the X seemed noticeably slower in a few things. For one, just swiping left and right between home screens, the Inc is butter smooth, the X animates far more choppy... even my wife noticed this, and she is not the kind of person who cares about that kind of stuff. Also, opening apps, often the Inc would open faster, usually by less than a second, but still. I also had a hard time getting a steady shot with the camera.
of course, the bigger screen is very nice, and dedicated camera button should be f'ing mandatory these days (HTC!!). For gaming, the X is going to stomp the Inc (though, they both bow down to the Galaxy S).
It's all personal preference, but having tried the X, I don't regret having the Inc.
Yeah the incredible is smoother. I ran bench mark on my incredible and it ranked higher than the x. So i guess bench mark can be inconsistent
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You are either an HTC person or not.
I had both and had to dump the X because exchange support is loaded with bugs and notifications are broken.
HTC licenses active sync so exchange support is flawless.
I also found the white level control on the HTC to be far superior.
The Motorola is always shooting with a yellow cast to the pictures.
Low light the HTC has better color but the noise reduction is out of control.
I also think the HTC camera is faster.
Motorola has the edge on the gallery scrolling, its much faster. HTC is like slow motion compared.
HTC is more of a software company than Motorola and it shows.
You have to load at least 5 apps on the Motorola to get most of the functionality you do with Sense, including a launcher which completely defeats the point of Moto Blur.
Little things like icon notifications for gmail and exchange are built into sense.
You have to download a GMAIL notifier app for the Motorola and you dont have a way to get icon notifications on exchange at all on the Motorola.
Little nuances add up big time which is why despite the small size the Incredible is a better overall phone right now.
X had dedicated GPU.
I love the formfactor for the DINC, but if I had a choice to switch... I would just switch with his old crappy phone for now and give him the dINC, then wait for the verizon galaxy S to drop and upgrade to that.
I have been absolutely loving the Moto X for the last month. The battery longevity, ergonomics (size and shape), active notifications / unlock from screen, Moto assist, and Motorola Connect are my top reasons for keeping this phone. I know the Nexus 5 just released today and I am wondering if any of you guys are going to switch over to it. I don't think I will, but want to see what all you others think. Please provide reasoning and add your vote to the poll. Thanks.
I ordered my 32gb black N5 the very second it went live. I have no intention of ditching the Moto X for it, but want to have it to tinker with. The Moto X is pretty much perfect in every way (for now) so I can't really see myself liking the Nexus 5 any more. But, the bigger screen and 4.4 have me wanting it so I bought it. I'll probably use my Moto X as a weekday/work phone and the Nexus 5 as my weekend/play phone.
I think my decision depends on how quickly they get Kitkat out on the Moto X. Punit Soni hinted it was coming soon so I'll bide my time.
I'll be staying with the X. The n5 looks nice but after getting used to the perfect size of the x, I'm not interested in going back to a bigger device.
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I'll be staying with the X. The n5 looks nice but after getting used to the perfect size of the x, I'm not interested in going back to a bigger device.
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In other words, you are trying to be the supply issue
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In other words, you are trying to be the supply issue
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I don't follow?
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Do you have a problem with me purchasing the N5 just to sell?
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I'd think you were scum if you were profiteering from flood victims, but it is just a phone. Anyone stupid enough to buy from you deserves what they get.
Anyhow, not interested in the N5 as I want a one-handed friendly form factor, and active display is a killer feature for me.
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I'd think you were scum if you were profiteering from flood victims, but it is just a phone. Anyone stupid enough to buy from you deserves what they get.
Anyhow, not interested in the N5 as I want a one-handed friendly form factor, and active display is a killer feature for me.
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That's usually how i feel about those people too. My plan is to sell it if people are dumb enough to buy it for an exaggerated price. If not, I love phones and ill keep it.
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That's usually how i feel about those people too. My plan is to sell it if people are dumb enough to buy it for an exaggerated price. If not, I love phones and ill keep it.
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There is nothing wrong with this, I dont do it myself, but it happens in every market that is dictated by s&d... Whether it's phones, concert tickets, consoles etc... It's part of how Capitalism works. If someone us stupid enough to buy something for more than its market value, then more power to the seller. Look at the iPhone! Every year people buy tens of thousands just to resell at higher prices. I think it's stupid and foolish! But from the buyers perspective, not the sellers.
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I use to want to flash my phone all the time, get a new ROM here and there. It originally started with wiping the phone every new flash. It started becoming a lengthy process to restore my apps and data that I use daily and things for work. So I started doing dirty flashes, then the ROMs would sometimes require a fresh flash due to instability.
With the MotoX that has all went away. I got 4.2.2 (I didn't see alot to 4.3 for my daily use) and still have root and system right access after the camera update. My phone is completely stable, and I get all the features I mainly use from ROMs using things like Xposed. (I still cant get the volume track control working, which I really use alot) and the phone is rock stable and doesn't require me to mess with kernels or tweak it with each new rom and build to get it right.
Now that I see 4.4 is coming and PwnMyMoto2 may be coming (no idea what it will do) I am sure I will stay with my Moto X. The Nexus 5 is great but I would be so tempted to ROM it and loosing Active Display would suck.
So for my playing needs I have my recently purchased Nexus 7 (2013) which I get to mess with all the time and no worries if it crashes or isn't stable.
TLDR: The Moto X is a solid performer and stable as hell for me and has cured my crack flashing cravings and shown me how a simple reliable phone can be perfect!
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I use to want to flash my phone all the time, get a new ROM here and there. It originally started with wiping the phone every new flash. It started becoming a lengthy process to restore my apps and data that I use daily and things for work. So I started doing dirty flashes, then the ROMs would sometimes require a fresh flash due to instability.
With the MotoX that has all went away. I got 4.2.2 (I didn't see alot to 4.3 for my daily use) and still have root and system right access after the camera update. My phone is completely stable, and I get all the features I mainly use from ROMs using things like Xposed. (I still cant get the volume track control working, which I really use alot) and the phone is rock stable and doesn't require me to mess with kernels or tweak it with each new rom and build to get it right.
Now that I see 4.4 is coming and PwnMyMoto2 may be coming (no idea what it will do) I am sure I will stay with my Moto X. The Nexus 5 is great but I would be so tempted to ROM it and loosing Active Display would suck.
So for my playing needs I have my recently purchased Nexus 7 (2013) which I get to mess with all the time and no worries if it crashes or isn't stable.
TLDR: The Moto X is a solid performer and stable as hell for me and has cured my crack flashing cravings and shown me how a simple reliable phone can be perfect!
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My only worry is the longevity of the dual-core processor. It's great now, but what about after a couple of OS updates? The N5 will certainly hold up better than the Moto X in terms of longevity -- but I'm finding it hard to justify ditching the great form factor and convenience of Active Display/Touchless Control for better specs. I'm loving my Moto X and will not be ditching it for the way-too-big N5!
Also, it sounds like Kitkat will be coming out for the Moto X in a reasonable time. Motorola has already announced the phones that will be getting it and it seems a few insides on XDA are saying it'll be out soon. Here's to hoping service providers don't hold up that process too much.
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My only worry is the longevity of the dual-core processor. It's great now, but what about after a couple of OS updates? The N5 will certainly hold up better than the Moto X in terms of longevity -- but I'm finding it hard to justify ditching the great form factor and convenience of Active Display/Touchless Control for better specs. I'm loving my Moto X and will not be ditching it for the way-too-big N5!
Also, it sounds like Kitkat will be coming out for the Moto X in a reasonable time. Motorola has already announced the phones that will be getting it and it seems a few insides on XDA are saying it'll be out soon. Here's to hoping service providers don't hold up that process too much.
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The dual core CPU on this phone is technically quick because it is able to perform its duties at higher efficiency. There was an article from Anandtech talking about why Apple iPhone 5s is still a Dualcore.
I always thought the transition from 2 to 4 cores happened quicker in mobile than I had expected. Thankfully there are some well threaded apps that have been able to take advantage of more than two cores and power gating keeps the negative impact of the additional cores down to a minimum. As we saw in our Moto X review however, two faster cores are still better for most uses than four cores running at lower frequencies. NVIDIA forced everyone’s hand in moving to 4 cores earlier than they would’ve liked, and now you pretty much can’t get away with shipping anything less than that in an Android handset. Even Motorola felt necessary to obfuscate core count with its X8 mobile computing system. Markets like China seem to also demand more cores over better ones, which is why we see such a proliferation of quad-core Cortex A5/A7 designs. Apple has traditionally been sensible in this regard, even dating back to core count decisions in its Macs. I remembering reviewing an old iMac and pitting it against a Dell XPS One at the time. This was in the pre-power gating/turbo days. Dell went the route of more cores, while Apple chose for fewer, faster ones. It also put the CPU savings into a better GPU. You can guess which system ended out ahead.
In such a thermally constrained environment, going quad-core only makes sense if you can properly power gate/turbo up when some cores are idle. I have yet to see any mobile SoC vendor (with the exception of Intel with Bay Trail) do this properly, so until we hit that point the optimal target is likely two cores. You only need to look back at the evolution of the PC to come to the same conclusion. Before the arrival of Nehalem and Lynnfield, you always had to make a tradeoff between fewer faster cores and more of them. Gaming systems (and most users) tended to opt for the former, while those doing heavy multitasking went with the latter. Once we got architectures with good turbo, the 2 vs 4 discussion became one of cost and nothing more. I expect we’ll follow the same path in mobile.
Then there’s the frequency discussion. Brian and I have long been hinting at the sort of ridiculous frequency/voltage combinations mobile SoC vendors have been shipping at for nothing more than marketing purposes. I remember ARM telling me the ideal target for a Cortex A15 core in a smartphone was 1.2GHz. Samsung’s Exynos 5410 stuck four Cortex A15s in a phone with a max clock of 1.6GHz. The 5420 increases that to 1.7GHz. The problem with frequency scaling alone is that it typically comes at the price of higher voltage. There’s a quadratic relationship between voltage and power consumption, so it’s quite possibly one of the worst ways to get more performance. Brian even tweeted an image showing the frequency/voltage curve for a high-end mobile SoC. Note the huge increase in voltage required to deliver what amounts to another 100MHz in frequency.
The combination of both of these things gives us a basis for why Apple settled on two Swift cores running at 1.3GHz in the A6, and it’s also why the A7 comes with two cores running at the same max frequency. Interestingly enough, this is the same max non-turbo frequency Intel settled at for Bay Trail. Given a faster process (and turbo), I would expect to see Apple push higher frequencies but without those things, remaining conservative makes sense. I verified frequency through a combination of reporting tools and benchmarks. While it’s possible that I’m wrong, everything I’ve run on the device (both public and not) points to a 1.3GHz max frequency.
Verifying core count is a bit easier. Many benchmarks report core count, I also have some internal tools that do the same - all agreed on the same 2 cores/2 threads conclusion. Geekbench 3 breaks out both single and multithreaded performance results. I checked with the developer to ensure that the number of threads isn’t hard coded. The benchmark queries the max number of logical CPUs before spawning that number of threads. Looking at the ratio of single to multithreaded performance on the iPhone 5s, it’s safe to say that we’re dealing with a dual-core part.
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I quoted due to the way it is worded. We saw these same issues with Desktops when we started moving to Quadcores. In most usage scenarios it was better to have fast dual core CPUs than to have quad core CPUs. It took some time for things to catch up and get to the point where the move made sense.
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My only worry is the longevity of the dual-core processor. It's great now, but what about after a couple of OS updates? The N5 will certainly hold up better than the Moto X in terms of longevity -- but I'm finding it hard to justify ditching the great form factor and convenience of Active Display/Touchless Control for better specs. I'm loving my Moto X and will not be ditching it for the way-too-big N5!
Also, it sounds like Kitkat will be coming out for the Moto X in a reasonable time. Motorola has already announced the phones that will be getting it and it seems a few insides on XDA are saying it'll be out soon. Here's to hoping service providers don't hold up that process too much.
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Keep in mind they made some big advances in memory management and efficiency within Android 4.4, ensuring that Kit Kat can run even on devices with 512 MB of RAM. My guess is, that may have actually lowered the load placed on our dual-core Snapdragon 600 (it is that, right?).
In addition, you can bet Motorola will do whatever it needs to in terms of optimizing code in order to ensure that Kit Kat runs chocolately smooth on our devices.
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Keep in mind they made some big advances in memory management and efficiency within Android 4.4, ensuring that Kit Kat can run even on devices with 512 MB of RAM. My guess is, that may have actually lowered the load placed on our dual-core Snapdragon 600 (it is that, right?).
In addition, you can bet Motorola will do whatever it needs to in terms of optimizing code in order to ensure that Kit Kat runs chocolately smooth on our devices.
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Hey, I am using an old Defy+ and its time for me to change my phone. I'm having REALLY hard time picking between the X and the N5. When looking superficially on the specs, I get this image in my head that the X is slow compared to N5 due to processor. Can I get more info about this that will help me pick a phone?
BrokenWall said:
I use to want to flash my phone all the time, get a new ROM here and there. It originally started with wiping the phone every new flash. It started becoming a lengthy process to restore my apps and data that I use daily and things for work. So I started doing dirty flashes, then the ROMs would sometimes require a fresh flash due to instability.
With the MotoX that has all went away. I got 4.2.2 (I didn't see alot to 4.3 for my daily use) and still have root and system right access after the camera update. My phone is completely stable, and I get all the features I mainly use from ROMs using things like Xposed. (I still cant get the volume track control working, which I really use alot) and the phone is rock stable and doesn't require me to mess with kernels or tweak it with each new rom and build to get it right.
Now that I see 4.4 is coming and PwnMyMoto2 may be coming (no idea what it will do) I am sure I will stay with my Moto X. The Nexus 5 is great but I would be so tempted to ROM it and loosing Active Display would suck.
So for my playing needs I have my recently purchased Nexus 7 (2013) which I get to mess with all the time and no worries if it crashes or isn't stable.
TLDR: The Moto X is a solid performer and stable as hell for me and has cured my crack flashing cravings and shown me how a simple reliable phone can be perfect!
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I was just informed that the N5, as well as other devices, will be getting touchless controls too through the Kitkat update. This brings me back to square one! On one hand, the Moto X has great functionality in a nice package while the N5 has crazy specs in an too-big-to-properly-handle package.
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I was just informed that the N5, as well as other devices, will be getting touchless controls too through the Kitkat update. This brings me back to square one! One one hand, the Moto X has great functionality in a nice package while the N5 has crazy specs in an too-big-to-properly-handle package.
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The Nexus 5 is not getting complete Touchless controls. The phone is unable to wake from sleep to the sound of your command. While the phone is on it will respond to "OK, google" which is fine for most people. But the Moto X still has the edge since the co-processor is able to do more listening while the phone is completely asleep.
The Snapdragon 800 is suppose to have a low power cpu to handle these duties but it hasn't been put to the test by anyone to confirm if it will be able to do the same jobs as the extra cpus in the X8 Silicon.
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Hey, I am using an old Defy+ and its time for me to change my phone. I'm having REALLY hard time picking between the X and the N5. When looking superficially on the specs, I get this image in my head that the X is slow compared to N5 due to processor. Can I get more info about this that will help me pick a phone?
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While technically the processor is 'slower' than the Nexus 5, and the Nexus 5 has two additional cores, that doesn't mean that the Moto X doesn't have the processing power to run Android smoothly. It just means that the Nexus 5 has more power available to it should an application demand it.
Think of it this way... The Moto X is a four cylinder, 200 horsepower engine. Plenty to smoothly sail on the highway at 60 or 70 miles per hour. If you want to, you might even be able to fly by at 120 miles per hour. The Nexus 5 is a six cylinder, 400 horsepower engine. You can go up to 200 miles per hour. Either way though, most of your Android usage in a non gaming situation is going to be highway speed at 60 or 70 mph. Only when you turn on some serious mobile games or graphics intensive applications, or heavy number crunching benchmarks or pi-calculating apps, will you notice the difference in the engine horsepower between the two.
The N5 looks super sweet, but I spent more time ogling 4.4 than the N5. I mean, it's absolutely awesome (if you're not on Verizon) to get an off-contract phone for so cheap, and I'd imagine that you could buy a carrier-subsidized one for even cheaper. But 4.4's features are an even bigger selling point to me. It feels like they're adding more than they did in the past few JB updates, and all the features improve the quality of experience.
But, I'm sticking with the Moto X. Why? I just got it 48 hours ago. And I'm on Verizon. But aside from all of that, I've found that bigger phones just get easier for me to drop, and the X's combination of touchless controls and active notifications are way too good to pass up on.
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The Nexus 5 is not getting complete Touchless controls. The phone is unable to wake from sleep to the sound of your command. While the phone is on it will respond to "OK, google" which is fine for most people. But the Moto X still has the edge since the co-processor is able to do more listening while the phone is completely asleep.
The Snapdragon 800 is suppose to have a low power cpu to handle these duties but it hasn't been put to the test by anyone to confirm if it will be able to do the same jobs as the extra cpus in the X8 Silicon.
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Is that right? It won't recognize the voice commands when sleeping? I've decided to keep the Moto X but if what you say is true then that only makes me feel even better about my decision.
I have a Nexus 7 and see no reason to get a N5 to replace my Moto X.....or in general for that matter. I use my phone as a phone (yup), GPS, email, texting, pics of the kids every now and then, and minor web stuff. I found I don't need an Android update every two weeks, a quad core monster processor, or a 55 million PPI screen for anything.
After spamming the 4.4 update thread with phone comparison things, I decided to open a new thread.
Here we can compare other devices with the RAZR I and debate about stuff like that.
Now I will start.
After getting more and more problems with my RAZR I I decided to buy a new phone. I was searching for several weeks and now I have a moto X.(in Germany, bought via eBay, using Verizon KK ROM with fully supported German language)
What I have noticed so far:
-the X perfectly fits in your hand with a acceptable weight
-the battery consumption is better than the Ri's ( I get easy 20h of (my) normal use; Ri got only ~17h)
-the screen have a much higher resolution
-the X have a better performance, up to now I doesn't had any lags.
-the voice from outgoing calls is very clear, a bit better than the Ri; the voice quality of incoming calls depends on the calling phone
-both cameras of the X are better than the Ri's, but it have also problems when the light is low
-active display and touchless control are pretty neat
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Do we think the RAZR I will get 4.4
I hope moto let us know soon.
All the best
Moley
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I can't accept no slot for microSD on moto g and x. Even new version of RAZR m, droid mini there is no slot
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I think it is not fair to compare the Razr i against the X. The Moto X is without question the better phone by far, but that comes along with the fact that the X is a fully fledged flagship model of an Android and the Razr is and was a budget phone with medium specs. So a comparison can only be fair, if you compare it to phones in the same league like the Moto G, HTC One Mini, Samsung 4 mini and so on..
I recently had a Moto G in my hands and I can say that this phone is really remarkable, nice specs, nice design and it works like a charm. The only things that I noticed that are not to my liking is the bad camera and it is a bit too big for its own good. For my personal taste 4.3 is a perfect form factor, 4.5 is 0.2 inches too much. Also it is a bit thicker than the Razr i, so with my tiny little hands the G felt a bit bigger in my hands. Im not sure, if I just have to get used to that, but I really like the slim look and feel of the Razr i in comparison.
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I think it is not fair to compare the Razr i against the X. The Moto X is without question the better phone by far, but that comes along with the fact that the X is a fully fledged flagship model of an Android and the Razr is and was a budget phone with medium specs. So a comparison can only be fair, if you compare it to phones in the same league like the Moto G, HTC One Mini, Samsung 4 mini and so on..
I recently had a Moto G in my hands and I can say that this phone is really remarkable, nice specs, nice design and it works like a charm. The only things that I noticed that are not to my liking is the bad camera and it is a bit too big for its own good. For my personal taste 4.3 is a perfect form factor, 4.5 is 0.2 inches too much. Also it is a bit thicker than the Razr i, so with my tiny little hands the G felt a bit bigger in my hands. Im not sure, if I just have to get used to that, but I really like the slim look and feel of the Razr i in comparison.
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Same here, I also think that Moto X is currently the best phone on the market but still little to big for me.
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I think it is not fair to compare the Razr i against the X. The Moto X is without question the better phone by far, but that comes along with the fact that the X is a fully fledged flagship model of an Android and the Razr is and was a budget phone with medium specs. So a comparison can only be fair, if you compare it to phones in the same league like the Moto G, HTC One Mini, Samsung 4 mini and so on..
I recently had a Moto G in my hands and I can say that this phone is really remarkable, nice specs, nice design and it works like a charm. The only things that I noticed that are not to my liking is the bad camera and it is a bit too big for its own good. For my personal taste 4.3 is a perfect form factor, 4.5 is 0.2 inches too much. Also it is a bit thicker than the Razr i, so with my tiny little hands the G felt a bit bigger in my hands. Im not sure, if I just have to get used to that, but I really like the slim look and feel of the Razr i in comparison.
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I agree entirely.
I picked up a G over Christmas to cheer myself up a bit and to find out what all the fuss was about - is this phone really as good as they say for such a ridiculously low price? Well in my opinion yes, and more.
I'd had a number of frustrations with my XT890: random lagginess, certains apps not being compatible, battery life not being quite as good as I expected, amongst others. The one thing I absolutely love about the '90 though is the form factor and build quality, so IMO how does the G stack up against it? Well it's now very much my main phone.
Overall I find it's quicker and smoother with nowhere near as many lags, although whether this is down to JB 4.3, the chip, or a combination of both I have no idea, but for me it works better. The build quality is exemplary. It doesn't in any way look or feel like a plastic phone and is a rock solid build, which is a lesson Samsung should learn and I'm not talking about their budget end either. Battery life is better, beautiful screen, and couldn't be happier. True, the camera's c*** but I'm not going to use it anyway,so a big thumbs up!
Thank you for the voice quality comparison on the Moto X that is great info!!!! Can someone comment on the same thing regarding the G?
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Same here, I also think that Moto X is currently the best phone on the market but still little to big for me.
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But it's only the X's screen size which is bigger than moto G's. These phone have nearly the same shape.
And the moto x doesn't feel so big.
To the problem with no SD-card-slot:
Yes that was the one point annoying me, but to be serious, even the nexus phones haven't such a slot and Google presents how they think a android phone have to look like with this phones, so I think the sd-card-slot will die out slowly.
So I bought a developer edition with 32GB of storage. That is enough for me, I've used the RAZR I with the internal 8GB plus a 16GB SD card and even that was okay.
On the other hand we have to look at the battery consumption. A device which have to handle a internal and a external storage needs more energy. Also are SD cards mostly slower than the build in storage, which means that we lose performance.
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In my opinion the SD card slot is only needed, if the phone has insufficient internal memory. 16 GB is just not enough for today's needs. At least for me it is not. 32 and plus of storage is a must have. That's why I didn't get a new nexus device or will not get the Moto G.
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I agree on the storage issue. My iPhone 5s has 64GB and only has about 20 gigs left. It will probably be quite full in a year or two. Why phones aren't offered with 128 or heck even 512 gigs is beyond me. They are the main computers in many of our lives now. They can charge pretty much anything they want for it and a lot of us will pay.
the asus zenPhone 5'@720p, atom z2580, 8gb + sd card, android 4.3, update to 4.4, for only 150 U$S its really the moto g killer.
I found the LG Nexus 4 a great replacement for my old Motorola Razr i, and it's even cheaper here on my country...
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I'm thinking about to sell my Razr i for 200€ and buy the Moto G for 169€ or even the one for 199€. My Razr i looks like freshly taken from the box, not one scratch, nothing. And there is a 64GB memory card with it. If I install the stock ROM then there is only the warning about the unlocked bootloader that reminds you that it is a used device.
I bought the 64GB card to listen to music, back when I was going to school but now it's a different situation and I don't have the time to listen to music on my smartphone, especially since I have a car now. And even if I wanna listen to music on my phone I think 16GB or even 8GB would be enough.
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I'm thinking about to sell my Razr i for 200€ and buy the Moto G for 169€ or even the one for 199€. My Razr i looks like freshly taken from the box, not one scratch, nothing. And there is a 64GB memory card with it. If I install the stock ROM then there is only the warning about the unlocked bootloader that reminds you that it is a used device.
I bought the 64GB card to listen to music, back when I was going to school but now it's a different situation and I don't have the time to listen to music on my smartphone, especially since I have a car now. And even if I wanna listen to music on my phone I think 16GB or even 8GB would be enough.
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always aim for more, not less, better wait for the asus zen Phones
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always aim for more, not less, better wait for the asus zen Phones
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Or wait what Motorola is going to present next week in the UK.
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I'm really not trying to troll here, just relaying my experience over the last two months:
I've been on Android for 3 years. Before, I was using WindowsMobile 6, and version 5 before that, until Microsoft stupidly killed that incredibly diverse ecosystem and made me and millions of others jump to Android. I had a clamshell Razr V3i before that that was an astonishingly good and beautifully hackable phone for the time - it was a great web browser with opera mini and I could email from it too, fantastic voice quality that could be tuned with a hex editor, and excellent radio/reception. It took a microSD so I used it as an MP3 player too. Moto typically has great build quality and radios though they definitely have released some total junk phones along the way too, I think I had a V551(??) that was dog poop, and several moto phones the camera broke on for no reason, usually a hardware failure like one of the internal lenses becoming dislodged, even if the phone was never dropped.
My *personal opinion* is that Android was most stable, useful and hackable at version 2.3 and has had been becoming progressively less stable and ever more locked down since. I have a Nexus 7 that I just leave stock and let it autoupdate whenever it feels like it to see what the latest edition of Android and latest versions of all my apps always look like; I've watched in horror as android and the Android app ecosystem has become a bug ridden laggy crashy malware adware spyware filled unholy mess over the last 12 months, as bad as Windows 98/XP ever was. Previously, as an android user I had always felt a little bit... i don't know... "more savvy" than iPhone users because Android was (supposedly) less expensive and I could make it do anything I wanted. But with the update to 4.1 on my RAZR i, I could no longer WIFI tether (it could tether with 4.0 but then Moto locked out tethering HARD and no one has figured a way around it) and that just made me really POed.
Then I also thought about it and realized I had EIGHT android devices and I was spending a ton of money always buying new android phones because that was usually the only way I could run the latest OS. I've for three years always been waiting/hoping that I'll get the next version of android when it is released, and usually all my hopes were dashed. Yes I did all the cyanagenmod/etc reflashing stuff for a while but that's always a little risky and after 10 or so flashes constantly trying out roll your own OS turns into a real time consumer, often gives me new bugs when I was trying eliminate other old bugs, and for some devices, namely the RAZRi, sometimes just not an option. My original Moto RAZR has a locked bootloader that was never really worked around. I was getting so sick of waiting around all of the time.
And I was noticing that there were people with iPhones many years old still using them, still happy with them. I played with a friends iPhone 3GS a year ago and was impressed with how smooth it was even then with supposedly far less hardware than my RAZR, and how happy she still was with it - and I noticed how aggravated I was with my RAZR.
So WTF, two months ago I bought a new iPhone 5s 64gb. It was Very
Expensive... but not really compared to the highest end Moto X, which was the other phone I was considering.
At first it was super annoying, not intuitive at all coming from android, lots of the design decisions seemed stupid. But I stuck with it, finally got used to everything about 3 weeks ago, and now two months after purchase I can say from my heart, and my head, it just blows Android out of the water right at this time. It is ROCK SOLID in hardware build and software stability, an order of magnitude above any android devices. I just can't stress enough how stable ios is compared to android. It took me many weeks to figure out all the workarounds I needed to do stuff like tethering, swype, etc, but now it does everything I can do on android.
I have two phones (work/personal), and this week I needed a second phone to replace my Razr i (which now has a new issue of blurry focus camera that I fix by banging it with my hand... i never dropped it... sigh), so I I just bought a used perfect condition 64gb Iphone 5 for $400. Goodbye Android for now.
There are hundreds of teensy little software and hardware design decisions in the iPhone that just make it so *pleasant* to use all the time. It makes all versions of android seem so rough and unpolished when I use my other android devices.
In the long run I think the iPhones will be either a wash cost wise, or maybe a little cheaper because now I can instead of buying a new Android phone every few months in hopes of finally having one that is solid and stable, I'll likely keep these iPhones for 2-3+ years and I'm guaranteed years of the most recent OS, available as soon as announced. But cost aside, ios is just a completely stress free experience that lets me get on with life.
Oh one last thing, the responsiveness of the iPhone is *phenomenal* I read a few months ago this is because the electronic hardware itself for the touchscreen has about 1/3rd the lag time between touching the screen, and the OS getting the signal. It makes the display feel really really good all the time. Now when I use any android touch screen it just feels so slow and annoying. Battery life is at least double the RAZR i in my experience so far, mostly because there is never any crap running in the background that I can't turn off, like is always happening in android as soon as I add more than three apps.
I'm not an apple aficionado at all; as soon as I find something better than iPhone I'll jump ship immediately, but as far as I can tell iPhone 5s is the best there is right now.
tl;dr: the iPhone 5 and 5s are mindblowingly good compared to the hell and heartbreak that android has turned onto. YMMV
Unfortunately, I must agree. Apple is doing so many things better with iOS than Google with Android. I always liked Android for openness, community, tweaking abilities ... currently I even write soft for Android at work ... but still, I'm always waiting for new version of Android that will fix problems from current version, I'm looking for custom ROMS that will eliminate constant lag and solve other problems.
I liked Google because it was the best software company in the world, company that ideology I liked, but now ... it's changing. They've still got good software but ads are getting more aggressive than ever, Android is getting more and more closed, and it will be fully closed in future, so maybe it's time to start searching for something new. But anyway I think that Android will be the most popular OS for very, very long time.
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Yeah, I have to say, that you have right with much things you've said, but you couldn't forget that iOS is build by apple, so they can perfectly fit the software to the hardware and vice versa. Android is open source and Google couldn't specify it for one device, it have to be as much stable as possible for a lot of devices, that is the problem. That's the same with every open source os.
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Well, I just made the switch from Razr I to the Moto G, just because I was offered a good price for my Razr (pristine condition) and couldn't resist.
Wasn't expecting much really, but it actually feels like a good upgrade. The screen is TONS better and with Kitkat the menu buttons now are completely hidden in most apps, making the screen really 4.5 inches. The overall feel is faster, especially with apps like Maps and Chrome. Games run faster as well, for example Asphalt 8 plays perfect on high settings, while on the Razr I will run only on low.
The downsides are plastic instead of the metal and kevlar on the Razr, the screen is not edge to edge and the camera is worse (also no 1080p video).
But for me the bigger and better display and the faster performance are worth it.
I currently think about getting a Sony Z1 Compact.
I was playing with the Droid Turbo at Verizon today, and was surprised to see lag using Chrome and other apps. It just doesn't run as snappy as the new Moto X. I then read an article that the Snapdragon 805 chip can handle Quad HD (2560x1440), but really only by itself and not well with other things going on in the background (like animating one thing on top of another).
http://appleinsider.com/articles/14...er-poor-graphics-performance-vs-iphone-6-plus
I realize this is a pro-Apple website, but I believe my eyes in the real world over a website, and the Droid Turbo lagged behind the Moto X 2014 and the HTC One M8. I would say it ran comparable to the LG G3, which I also noticed lagged more than the M8.
If it's true that these manufacturers are choosing a high resolution just because it's advertised without checking real-world performance, then it's a disappointment, because they could have gone with a lower resolution and gotten better performance, speed, and battery life (and it's not performing for 2 days in reviews as advertised), at a compromise of a hardly-noticeable change in pixel resolution. I couldn't even tell a pixel difference between the Droid MAXX (720), the Moto X 2014 (1080), and the Droid Turbo (1440) without getting close and squinting, and they're all 5" screens.
Can someone root their Droid Turbo and lower the resolution to 1080 to see if they get a better frame rate and battery life? I'm thinking of doing that but I'm not sure what I lose.
The LG G3 is the same QHD resolution but with the older 801. No lag for me there either. I think it's just you.
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The LG G3 is the same QHD resolution but with the older 801. No lag for me there either. I think it's just you.
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I think I just notice it whereas you don't, lucky you. I've been doing this since 320x240, I can tell you when a game or TV show is running less than 60 frames per second (and when a game is 30fps as opposed to a TV show at 24fps, like Seinfeld), whereas I've noticed other people either don't notice or barely notice. If you're the type that doesn't notice, good for you, but the more apps you install and more things you do on the phone, the more it will be compromised with an underpowered chip.
I can tell by how quickly you responded you either didn't read the article or for long.
If nobody else notices, great, back to my question: Will someone who roots the phone please leave a review of the phone at 1920x1080 as far as performance and battery life?
I know there are people on this forum who can tell the difference in frame rates, and lag will bother them. I'd love to know how you improved the phone (the Moto X 2014 still impressed me the most at the store, though I want more battery life).
Just wait until Lollipop hits this phone. It is buttery smooth on Nexus 5 so can't wait for this phone to get. Also BTW I notice no lag either.
I usually notice these things as well (I did with the g3, which is why I didn't get it), but with the store demo or the one in my hand, I see absolutely no lag so far.
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If nobody else notices, great, back to my question: Will someone who roots the phone please leave a review of the phone at 1920x1080 as far as performance and battery life?
I know there are people on this forum who can tell the difference in frame rates, and lag will bother them. I'd love to know how you improved the phone (the Moto X 2014 still impressed me the most at the store, though I want more battery life).
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There's no way to root the phone
No lag on my Droid Turbo
It seems really snappy and is way faster than my old G2 i had. I will never use another LG phone cause I went through 3 of the G2s. I too cant wait for Lollipop to come to the Turbo..
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Well, not yet anyway.
I dunno, my phone feels super smooth. Pretty much like playing a game at 60fps. Haven't noticed a bit of lag yet other than in the camera's viewfinder. I guess every model will differ a bit here and there though.
Well, I guess I got the only three laggy Droid Turbos at Verizon, because they were consistent this way, and the other phones were consistent their way, and if I had to choose without knowing anything else about the phones but what I saw there, I would have chosen the Moto X 2014. I'm still just banging my head on the wall with the decision to use 2560x1440 on a 5" screen, when that's not even noticeable to me or most people without squinting up close, and the battery life (and apparent performance) loss that just goes with an increase in resolution. The more pixels, the more power.
I own the G3 and the turbo. There is 0 lag on this thing. Compared to Tue G3, it runs laps around it. Everything is just faster and smoother
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Well, I guess I got the only three laggy Droid Turbos at Verizon, because they were consistent this way, and the other phones were consistent their way, and if I had to choose without knowing anything else about the phones but what I saw there, I would have chosen the Moto X 2014. I'm still just banging my head on the wall with the decision to use 2560x1440 on a 5" screen, when that's not even noticeable to me or most people without squinting up close, and the battery life (and apparent performance) loss that just goes with an increase in resolution. The more pixels, the more power.
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I didn't play with the display model, but maybe it's a demo mode thing? I know they have all that junk loaded onto it to showcase the device. Might be bogging down the system there.
As a huge supporter of this phone and someone who has been waiting a long time to have it in hand.... it has hiccuped on me a few times through transitions. ONLY minor hiccups, though. The CPU intensive things fly. Leaps and bounds better than any of my prior Android devices.
Overall it's performance has been way beyond that of my M7, G2, and Moto G of the past year. I'm going to play around with spare parts and what not. Maybe I can speed up animations even more.
Thank you for the intelligent replies here; with all the trolling on Twitter and YouTube and terrible replies I get at lesser forums, these have been the most intelligent (and actually cogent) replies I've gotten to tech issues I've posted in a long while. I really was expecting less, especially since some of what I said may have sounded incendiary. Thank you XDA for elevating the rhetoric!
I also noticed the floor models lagging a little bit when I went to get my Turbo today.
After loading all my apps and disabling that garbage Verizon bloat, its smooth as can be.
I Edged up from my G3 and have zero regrets. :good:
Undoubtedly, this device would probably perform in top-form if it were rooted, with an unlocked bootloader. Unfortunately, with the most recent discovery of the root exploit for some Sammy/Moto devices (towelroot) Qualcomm and Moto have made damn sure that from here on out, exploits like that won't happen again (or as easily). I figure with 3 Gigs of RAM, a quad-core CPU, and hopefully Lollipop down the line, we will have a beast of a device that will take us through 2 more years of minimized lag, before something better is invented.
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I was playing with the Droid Turbo at Verizon today, and was surprised to see lag using Chrome and other apps. It just doesn't run as snappy as the new Moto X. I then read an article that the Snapdragon 805 chip can handle Quad HD (2560x1440), but really only by itself and not well with other things going on in the background (like animating one thing on top of another).
http://appleinsider.com/articles/14...er-poor-graphics-performance-vs-iphone-6-plus
I realize this is a pro-Apple website, but I believe my eyes in the real world over a website, and the Droid Turbo lagged behind the Moto X 2014 and the HTC One M8. I would say it ran comparable to the LG G3, which I also noticed lagged more than the M8.
If it's true that these manufacturers are choosing a high resolution just because it's advertised without checking real-world performance, then it's a disappointment, because they could have gone with a lower resolution and gotten better performance, speed, and battery life (and it's not performing for 2 days in reviews as advertised), at a compromise of a hardly-noticeable change in pixel resolution. I couldn't even tell a pixel difference between the Droid MAXX (720), the Moto X 2014 (1080), and the Droid Turbo (1440) without getting close and squinting, and they're all 5" screens.
Can someone root their Droid Turbo and lower the resolution to 1080 to see if they get a better frame rate and battery life? I'm thinking of doing that but I'm not sure what I lose.
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I bought one and it does not have any lag. So far it has been real solid. Camera is great...battery life is too early to tell. But no lag.
But C'mon man.......quoting Apple Inside about a Android phone! That site is the most pro Apple anti Android site on the internet. Not a good source...........
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I bought one and it does not have any lag. So far it has been real solid. Camera is great...battery life is too early to tell. But no lag.
But C'mon man.......quoting Apple Inside about a Android phone! That site is the most pro Apple anti Android site on the internet. Not a good source...........
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Did you read the article? It's completely backed up by technical specs and facts. Theyre not hating just to hate. The iphone 6+ has been regarded by many non baised review sites as the smoothest graphics of any phone.
Read the article, it has useful info. Theyre pushing display resolution ahead of chipset performance and its showing.
I have had mine for almost 24 hrs and absolutely no lag whatsoever. Downloaded the AnTuTuBenchmark app and it DESTROYED the top score of the highest rated phone in the app which was the HTC M8. Since I work at Verizon..I had a coworker downloaded and run the benchmark test on his Note 4 and it came in around 2-3 spots below the M8. Love the QHD display...the only thing that keeps this phone from being perfect is the lack of simultaneous using data and voice use on LTE that's only temporary though...but otherwise..I have ZERO complaints. Absolutely crushes my DroidMaxx by comparison.
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So...after 4 months with the Verizon version, I'm making what I call a "lateral"transfer to the LG G2. Specs are becoming moot. The G2 offers a lot, the battery being a big factor.
Did anyone else let go of there Moto X 2014?
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I'll never let go of the Moto X, best phone ever made. I always sell my old devices to pay for my new ones, but that's not gonna happen this time around. This bad boy is going in the museum when I upgrade.
A friend just got the G3 as there was some issue getting the Moto X (corporate account). It's a great phone, but I wasn't a big fan of their software overlays. Plus cell radio quality is a big factor for me and the Moto X has better radio/antenna system. Camera on LG is noticeably better, but still not good enough if it is low light and something I really care about. Nice that it has removable battery and SD card, but have really never needed either.
And I do like the Moto X add ons... if they'd only get 'Attentive Display' working on Lollipop!
I'm finding that the battery isn't holding up long term.I need more. It's great for what it does, but it's a legitimate step back. It's rather disappointing.
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A friend just got the G3 as there was some issue getting the Moto X (corporate account). It's a great phone, but I wasn't a big fan of their software overlays. Plus cell radio quality is a big factor for me and the Moto X has better radio/antenna system. Camera on LG is noticeably better, but still not good enough if it is low light and something I really care about. Nice that it has removable battery and SD card, but have really never needed either.
And I do like the Moto X add ons... if they'd only get 'Attentive Display' working on Lollipop!
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Attentive display seems to be working quite well in the newest lollipop build (5.0.1) that was just released for Telus in Canada.
Steve-x said:
Attentive display seems to be working quite well in the newest lollipop build (5.0.1) that was just released for Telus in Canada.
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Good to hear. Hopefully we'll get that in the US soon.
Its the best phone for who dont have an att branded device. I cant unlock it and dont have lollipop.. Next time i will pay more for a pure.
The moto x series is really a breakthrough, this phone is (the) smartphone, I spent an hour or two receiving and responding to messages and calls without touching it not to mention other genius features which are hardware dependent.
Cons: no sd card and no easily removable battery
Pro: everything else
A very nice phone
The battery life is really bad, and has gotten worst. Even with Lollipop, which made it better, I'm not happy. As much as I love the speed of the phone, the battery is killing me hard! The G2 will give me near similar speed with much better battery, not to mention greater storage. This may be on Swappa soon...
I went from a nexus 5 to a G3 to now the moto X² PE and won't give this up unless something crazy comes out or the X³ arrives.
I have not had any battery issues with this phone as I consistently get 4.5 hrs SOT with 12+ hours total. I will say that the camera on the G3 was much better, but the moto X isn't horrible. And the hands free/voice actions with this phone are second to none.
That's just my humble opinion though.
As someone on Verizon, this phone is BY FAR the best available. No bloatware other than AcDisplay and some nice Moto things that make the phone better. Coming from a GS3 and a Galaxy Nexus (switched after my GS3 cracked), this phone is a god when it comes to battery life. I consistently get three, if not four hours of SoT per day. This phone already has lollipop and had it before some Nexus devices got it, and some flagships still don't have it, let alone on Verizon. The only thing not so good is the camera, but it gets the job done fine as long as there's good lighting. If I had the choice (unlocked cell service), I would still choose the OnePlus One, but I didn't have a choice.
MrToxicTaco said:
As someone on Verizon, this phone is BY FAR the best available. No bloatware other than AcDisplay and some nice Moto things that make the phone better. Coming from a GS3 and a Galaxy Nexus (switched after my GS3 cracked), this phone is a god when it comes to battery life. I consistently get three, if not four hours of SoT per day. This phone already has lollipop and had it before some Nexus devices got it, and some flagships still don't have it, let alone on Verizon. The only thing not so good is the camera, but it gets the job done fine as long as there's good lighting. If I had the choice (unlocked cell service), I would still choose the OnePlus One, but I didn't have a choice.
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I'm on Verizon, and you must not have used a G3 or the Turbo at all. The LG skin is light (I come from Samsung) and the Turbo is the X beefed up.
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ChristianPreachr said:
I'm on Verizon, and you must not have used a G3 or the Turbo at all. The LG skin is light (I come from Samsung) and the Turbo is the X beefed up.
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The Turbo looks great on paper, but the actual device is only so-so. I spent a good deal of time with one and walked away unimpressed. The X has FAR better build quality, is as fast if not faster (no QHD screen to waste resources on) and was generally smoother. Sure the turbo has better battery life, but my X easily lasts through the day and then some so it's a non-issue. The G3 is ugly, the skin is still pretty bad, and it is underpowered for the screen it has. Aside from the N5, everything LG puts out is just meh. People need to stop looking at only specs, they don't matter nearly as much as they used to. That said, the X still provides the best user experience out of any phone on the market, and that is what's important.
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The Turbo looks great on paper, but the actual device is only so-so. I spent a good deal of time with one and walked away unimpressed. The X has FAR better build quality, is as fast if not faster (no QHD screen to waste resources on) and was generally smoother. Sure the turbo has better battery life, but my X easily lasts through the day and then some so it's a non-issue. The G3 is ugly, the skin is still pretty bad, and it is underpowered for the screen it has. Aside from the N5, everything LG puts out is just meh. People need to stop looking at only specs, they don't matter nearly as much as they used to. That said, the X still provides the best user experience out of any phone on the market, and that is what's important.
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My feelings exactly. I really, really didn't like how the Turbo was built and even though the G3 build in my opinion is sleek, it's nothing special compared to the X. I've never used either phone as a daily driver, so I may not be the best one to judge it, but the Moto X is blazing fast with "good enough" features that work for me as a user who just wants to get through the day being able to use features like Google Now, something I was never able to keep on with my previous phones. The experience of the X is perfect for an everyday user, like most people are, and in my opinion that's what matters most in a phone. Again, I may have bias as this is my only phone I have been using.
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The Turbo looks great on paper, but the actual device is only so-so. I spent a good deal of time with one and walked away unimpressed. The X has FAR better build quality, is as fast if not faster (no QHD screen to waste resources on) and was generally smoother. Sure the turbo has better battery life, but my X easily lasts through the day and then some so it's a non-issue. The G3 is ugly, the skin is still pretty bad, and it is underpowered for the screen it has. Aside from the N5, everything LG puts out is just meh. People need to stop looking at only specs, they don't matter nearly as much as they used to. That said, the X still provides the best user experience out of any phone on the market, and that is what's important.
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Well, from the beginning of time until now, numbers haven't lied. That's not up for debate. But with user experience..I have to install nova launcher on the X because stock is lacking. The G2 (which I'm going to) offers equal speed. A smaller os, better battery and excellent build all while being a year older. The X while being customizable is just not enough for a power user.
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Well, from the beginning of time until now, numbers haven't lied. That's not up for debate. But with user experience..I have to install nova launcher on the X because stock is lacking. The G2 (which I'm going to) offers equal speed. A smaller os, better battery and excellent build all while being a year older. The X while being customizable is just not enough for a power user.
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I never said numbers lie, but they aren't always representative of the actual experience that the phone provides. If numbers meant everything, than the iPhone would have the worst battery life and performance of any smartphone out there, but that couldn't be farther from the truth. The same applies to the X. While the Turbo has better numbers, the X has the better UX. I don't see how the X isn't enough for a power user, I'm the very definition of a power user and it is pretty much everything I can ask for in a smartphone, with storage being the sole exception. Who cares if you have to put Nova launcher on it? That has no bearing on the quality of the phone itself. At least it doesn't have a nasty UI like the G2 does, even Nova cant save it from LG's hideous software, not to mention the plastic fantastic build. But everybody is entitled to their own opinion. If you think the G2 will serve your needs better, than that's wonderful. For me, the X is where its at.
hello guys ! i wanna upgrade to new device
and i'm confused between nexus 5 and moto x(2014) ?
i personally like pure vanilla aosp and this both have almost same though moto has some modification i don't think it will impact badly on performance ( does it? )
i love N5's fast update smooth performance even with some hardware compromises
but on other has moto x have better SD801 , and GUP freq 578 (vs 450 on N5) { will gaming performance be better ? } which in theory make it batter performance so if any anyone here can tell it's really an upgrade or i won't feel anything better
finally i like amoled but read somewhere that amoled pannel on moto x is worst qauily that samsung can make (really ?!!) , othere thing about camera ppl says it's 13MP is not as good as 8MP of N5 !! ( is it right ? ) and moto don't have notification led & OIS ( while taking pictures only does it matter ? )
so need your view should i go for moto X of stick again with relibale N5 ? will moto x be really upgrade ?
and how's lollipop on moto X ? ( i really like lollipop so hoping bugfree )
it will be really helpful if you can answer red marked questions
jineshpatel30 said:
hello guys ! i wanna upgrade to new device
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and i'm confused between nexus 5 and moto x(2014) ?
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old generation phone vs new one. I really have no doubt which one to buy between 2 candidates.
maybe take a look to lg products or htc but don't make a step into the past.
jineshpatel30 said:
hello guys ! i wanna upgrade to new device
and i'm confused between nexus 5 and moto x(2014) ?
i personally like pure vanilla aosp and this both have almost same though moto has some modification i don't think it will impact badly on performance ( does it? )
i love N5's fast update smooth performance even with some hardware compromises
but on other has moto x have better SD801 , and GUP freq 578 (vs 450 on N5) { will gaming performance be better ? } which in theory make it batter performance so if any anyone here can tell it's really an upgrade or i won't feel anything better
finally i like amoled but read somewhere that amoled pannel on moto x is worst qauily that samsung can make (really ?!!) , othere thing about camera ppl says it's 13MP is not as good as 8MP of N5 !! ( is it right ? ) and moto don't have notification led & OIS ( while taking pictures only does it matter ? )
so need your view should i go for moto X of stick again with relibale N5 ? will moto x be really upgrade ?
and how's lollipop on moto X ? ( i really like lollipop so hoping bugfree )
it will be really helpful if you can answer red marked questions
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I have and use both of those phones regularly and while the N5 is still a beast of a phone, the Moto X is easily the better of the two. The software mods that Motorola has done don't affect performance at all, and actually go a long way to making the Moto X what it is. Moto Display and Moto Voice are game changers. Gaming performance is great on both devices but slightly better on the Moto X. I can't say anything about lollipop because I don't like it at all and am keeping all my devices on KitKat indefinitely. If you get the X, which you should, make sure you buy the Pure Edition or at least one that's not branded by a carrier who doesn't allow bootloader unlocking. You need that unlockable bootloader in order to be able to root the phone.