Anyone knows if I can update to official 4.3 TW whenever it becomes available after rooting MF3?
Or would I have to unroot (which I think is not possible for now)?
I am pretty happy with TW 4.2 and would like to root it to use greenify and other root required apps, but not at the cost of losing
the ability to update to stock 4.3.
I'd imagine you could update but it would make you lose root.
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I'd imagine you could update but it would make you lose root.
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That would be fine with me as long as I can get to official 4.3 since I know sooner or later root would be achieved again,
and even if it could not, I'd rather have the update.
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That would be fine with me as long as I can get to official 4.3 since I know sooner or later root would be achieved again,
and even if it could not, I'd rather have the update.
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I don't think there's any guarantee about it, unfortunately. Sometimes you do have to unroot in order for the OTA to go through...and if there is still no possible way to unroot when the OTA comes around, you risk having that issue. I do wonder whether the temp unroot feature in Voodoo OTA Rootkeeper would work on MF3 right now...maybe someone rooted on MF3 can test it and see if their device shows no root.
Anyways, I personally recommend everyone stay away from MF3 rooting...especially if you are not very aware of exactly what the consequences are. The fact that there is no unroot should be enough to keep most people away, but I think most don't even realize that fact.
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I don't think there's any guarantee about it, unfortunately. Sometimes you do have to unroot in order for the OTA to go through...and if there is still no possible way to unroot when the OTA comes around, you risk having that issue. I do wonder whether the temp unroot feature in Voodoo OTA Rootkeeper would work on MF3 right now...maybe someone rooted on MF3 can test it and see if their device shows no root.
Anyways, I personally recommend everyone stay away from MF3 rooting...especially if you are not very aware of exactly what the consequences are. The fact that there is no unroot should be enough to keep most people away, but I think most don't even realize that fact.
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That is exactly the reason why I have not rooted yet and thus the question just in case any one here knew for sure.
For now I will noot root and I may even switch to a Tmo or international S4 if I get the chance.
The way most updates are, if you have root then you'd have to unroot (flash stock or temp unroot) and if you've modified system files it won't go through, meaning MF3 root is risky if you want to still update until they put out firmware.
Could not resist all the bloatware, and not being able to use greenify and all the root requiring goodies. Soooo....:silly:
I rooted and removed bloatware, greenified, and very happy.
I guess sooner or later we will be able to install custom roms, including TW 4.3, even if it is not an official version.
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Hello, I want to root the Sprint S4 without unlocking it and still be able to receive OTA updates. Is this possible? I can do it on an ASUS table I have.
What do you mean without unlocking? And if you are asking if you can root your S4 with your Asus tablet you don't need anything but your phone. Just download Mobile Odin and use it to root.
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yes you can root and still get ota no problem. just don't install a custom recovery or modify any system apps.
not sure why anyone would want this however.
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Hello, I want to root the Sprint S4 without unlocking it and still be able to receive OTA updates. Is this possible? I can do it on an ASUS table I have.
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The Sprint GS4 doesn't have a locked bootloader, if that's what's you're referring to. No unlocking needed.
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The Sprint GS4 doesn't have a locked bootloader, if that's what's you're referring to. No unlocking needed.
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I just want to be able to Root my phone and still receive my OTAs from sprint. Is this possible?
When you say modify system apps are you referring to removing any apps that came with the phone?
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yes you can root and still get ota no problem. just don't install a custom recovery or modify any system apps.
not sure why anyone would want this however.
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When you say modify system apps are you referring to removing any apps that came with the phone?
Basically yes. Also when you take an ota you will need to root again.
Honestly otas are the worst possible way to update your phone.
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Basically yes. Also when you take an ota you will need to root again.
Honestly otas are the worst possible way to update your phone.
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The reason I am looking into this is because my S3 is 32gb and the S4 is only 16gb. I always like the ability to use the OTAs and then use Voodo to restore root. If I go the full root, what roms do you recommend? I always like to keep it stock with the ability to do whatever I want.
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The reason I am looking into this is because my S3 is 32gb and the S4 is only 16gb. I always like the ability to use the OTAs and then use Voodo to restore root. If I go the full root, what roms do you recommend? I always like to keep it stock with the ability to do whatever I want.
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I run stock as well at least lately.
Just root with cf auto root and then use goo manager to load twrp recovery. When new updates are released someone always posts a rooted version rather quickly. Flash that in recovery and use odin to update modem (and bootloader if necessary).
Custom roms would follow pretty much the same procedure no need to limit yourself to stock if you want to try them out. You can odin back to 100% bone stock unrooted at any time if you want to. I think you are confusing the s3/s4 with the asus transformer where you can't go back once you run custom and unlock. that is not the case here at all.
I rooted my device a few weeks ago, and 4.3 released earlier, so I completely uninstalled root, through my superuser app. 4.3 downloads, and when it came time to install, it went through the install process in about five seconds, and booted up normally. I have an unlocked bootloader, I need help changing it back to normal? Is there a way?
Can we at XDA know what phone model you have and if your
MDL or MF3
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Please can some one help I'm rooted stock kernal cwm recovery on mdb there is a update that started to download I quick stopped it by shutting off WiFi. How do I no what update this is ? I don't want to mess up by DL mf3 and locking bootloader . but maybe it new update 4.3. What should I do ??
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Can we at XDA know what phone model you have and if your
MDL or MF3
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MF3.
How do you have an unlocked bootloader. ? and what leads you to believe its unlocked ?
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Oh he thinks it's unlocked because of the icon on the Samsung splash screen. Lol.
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Lol if you have mf3 the bootloader is NOT unlocked.
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Please can some one help I'm rooted stock kernal cwm recovery on mdb there is a update that started to download I quick stopped it by shutting off WiFi. How do I no what update this is ? I don't want to mess up by DL mf3 and locking bootloader . but maybe it new update 4.3. What should I do ??
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If you are currently fully rooted and wish to stay that way then you NEVER want to update through your carrier! If you do take the update, your phone will be permanently un-rooted! You should always wait for the developer community to take a look at it and determine what the pit-falls may be and to produce alternatives (update based rooted roms).
And before everyone starts jumping on me for using the word permanently; My feeling is that until proven otherwise, it should always be presumed that the affect will be permanent to emphasize the potential severity of the action. I would be happy to be proven wrong!
We all know he either wants the padlock gone or back to completely stock rite.
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If you are currently fully rooted and wish to stay that way then you NEVER want to update through your carrier! If you do take the update, your phone will be permanently un-rooted! You should always wait for the developer community to take a look at it and determine what the pit-falls may be and to produce alternatives (update based rooted roms).
And before everyone starts jumping on me for using the word permanently; My feeling is that until proven otherwise, it should always be presumed that the affect will be permanent to emphasize the potential severity of the action. I would be happy to be proven wrong!
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Im afraid your statement has already been proven to be wrong. He said he is MDB and the update he is getting would be to MF3 and there is already a root method for that firmware. Permanent is a strong word, especially given the abilities of the developers on XDA, Temporarily is a much more adequate word to use, which would the case for 4.3 MJ9, TEMPORARILY, there isn't a proven SAFE root method....as of yet.
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Im afraid your statement has already been proven to be wrong. He said he is MDB and the update he is getting would be to MF3 and there is already a root method for that firmware. Permanent is a strong word, especially given the abilities of the developers on XDA, Temporarily is a much more adequate word to use, which would the case for 4.3 MJ9, TEMPORARILY, there isn't a proven SAFE root method....as of yet.
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I think you missed my point. Yes, there is a a way to root MF3 but not a clean bootloader/recovery replacement. The reason for using the word permanent was to emphasize that there are NO guarantees of root for those who choose to update from the carrier as soon as an update becomes available. I agree that there is a high likelihood that some form of root will be made available but until that method is discovered the user should assume he/she will be stuck with what they have. An excellent example of such is exactly the MF3 release he is talking about. If you receive the MF3 OTA you no longer have an unlocked bootloader available and if you desire running another rom you are stuck with a kludge solution, not a clean one.
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I think you missed my point. Yes, there is a a way to root MF3 but not a clean bootloader/recovery replacement. The reason for using the word permanent was to emphasize that there are NO guarantees of root for those who choose to update from the carrier as soon as an update becomes available. I agree that there is a high likelihood that some form of root will be made available but until that method is discovered the user should assume he/she will be stuck with what they have. An excellent example of such is exactly the MF3 release he is talking about. If you receive the MF3 OTA you no longer have an unlocked bootloader available and if you desire running another rom you are stuck with a kludge solution, not a clean one.
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I'm not real sure what you mean by a "kludge solution", but I'm on MF3 with Safestrap and there are quite a few ROMS available to flash and some of them are as good as any I've run before (excluding none). I would be willing to bet that 4.3 will have root and ROMS available in a very short time. Im quite certian that Hashcode will have Safestrapup and running on 4.3 before ya know it and if not, I'm happy with the device and options I have with it as it is now. I do agree that anyone who chooses to take the update right away, and then expect all the development options, are wishful thinking, and/or not doing their research
MDB,MDL,MF3,MJ9
The above list has always been bootloader locked.yes rooted minus the new MJ9 and a "work around" to flashing roms.
I have faith that one day someone will crack the lock,just not before I switch to a Nexus 5
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Well I am on the horrible MF3 that requires the safestrap recovery to flash any compatible file. So I am not on a custom ROM I am only rooted.
I recently saw the notification that the new 4.3 update is ready to download .
My question is if I update will it still update and just take the root away? Or will I have to unroot and then upgrade?
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VeryCoolAlan said:
Well I am on the horrible MF3 that requires the safestrap recovery to flash any compatible file. So I am not on a custom ROM I am only rooted.
I recently saw the notification that the new 4.3 update is ready to download .
My question is if I update will it still update and just take the root away? Or will I have to unroot and then upgrade?
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I am still waiting on an answer for this also. I do know that it has been confirmed working to retain root when upgrading to 4.3 using "survival mode" in SuperSU. I purchased SuperSU Pro and enabled "survival mode". Then I defrosted the AT&T software updater (had it frozen previously to avoid the update) and Let the update to 4.3 download. I tried this twice and both times the 4.3 update failed to install at 25%. Maybe because I had previously uninstalled some of the AT&T BS apps. So I think I wasted $2.50 for SuperSU Pro. I have searched the forum and there are many people talking about having upgraded and retained root via this method, but nobody seems to want to clarify the steps of the process.
Some I am guessing maybe if you haven't removed any of the bloatware from your phone, you can use survival mode in SuperSU to retain root and take the 4.3 OTA update as normal. If you try it, let me know your mileage.
If I had any idea about MF3 and the locked bootloader I never would have gotten this phone. I hated iOS 7 and decided to come over to Android thinking modification would be much easier on the platform. With carriers locking bootloaders now, it's actually WORSE than having to wait for a jailbreak for an iOS version.
I accidently ota to mk2 from mf3 and re rooted with the mj6 method on att s4
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I am still waiting on an answer for this also. I do know that it has been confirmed working to retain root when upgrading to 4.3 using "survival mode" in SuperSU. I purchased SuperSU Pro and enabled "survival mode". Then I defrosted the AT&T software updater (had it frozen previously to avoid the update) and Let the update to 4.3 download. I tried this twice and both times the 4.3 update failed to install at 25%. Maybe because I had previously uninstalled some of the AT&T BS apps. So I think I wasted $2.50 for SuperSU Pro. I have searched the forum and there are many people talking about having upgraded and retained root via this method, but nobody seems to want to clarify the steps of the process.
Some I am guessing maybe if you haven't removed any of the bloatware from your phone, you can use survival mode in SuperSU to retain root and take the 4.3 OTA update as normal. If you try it, let me know your mileage.
If I had any idea about MF3 and the locked bootloader I never would have gotten this phone. I hated iOS 7 and decided to come over to Android thinking modification would be much easier on the platform. With carriers locking bootloaders now, it's actually WORSE than having to wait for a jailbreak for an iOS version.
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Take a chill pill bro. This phone is still better than an iPhone. There is a safe root method now so no need to use survival mode just have to find a way to get to 4.3 which is all over the discussion boards.
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I've read in a couple places of people having success taking the the NC4 OTA on their stock rooted device with SU Survival Mode on and being able to keep root after the update.
I was just wondering if any has tried that and if they were successful or not, thanks!
I know some people just want root, but really what other point is there to doing this?? This sounds just like what happened over in the S3 forum when people who wanted 4.3 ota so desperately they ended up getting hard bricks and relocked bootloaders.
Taking the OTA, you are giving up kernel modules on NC2 and the ability to go back to MJE if you need. For anyone that missed it, read this thread about why NC2 is unique. Just flash NC4 baseband (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=52633373&postcount=391), and stay on NC2 til devs cook up a safe NC4 to use. What Im doing if you ever want to use kexec in the future for aosp roms when it comes
I successfully did this.
I had to Odin back to stock 4.3 because OTA would fail, but once that finished and re-rooted with Kingo I took the update in survival mode retaining root.
I'm one of those just wanting root.
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I know some people just want root, but really what other point is there to doing this?? This sounds just like what happened over in the S3 forum when people who wanted 4.3 ota so desperately they ended up getting hard bricks and relocked bootloaders.
Taking the OTA, you are giving up kernel modules on NC2 and the ability to go back to MJE if you need. Just flash NC4 baseband, and stay on NC2 til devs cook up a safe NC4 to use. What Im doing if you ever want to use kexec in the future for aosp roms when it comes
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Well, I'm one of the people that only care about simple root access, so that's why I'm curious.
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I know some people just want root, but really what other point is there to doing this?? This sounds just like what happened over in the S3 forum when people who wanted 4.3 ota so desperately they ended up getting hard bricks and relocked bootloaders.
Taking the OTA, you are giving up kernel modules on NC2 and the ability to go back to MJE if you need. Just flash NC4 baseband (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=52633373&postcount=391), and stay on NC2 til devs cook up a safe NC4 to use. What Im doing if you ever want to use kexec in the future for aosp roms when it comes
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Jeez I shouldnt have even said anything about being able to take the OTA w/survival mode.
Theres nothing wrong with taking it if you guys have no issue with not being able to change kernels in the future or downgrade with Odin. If you screw up the survival process though and lose root, beans has already said it will probably be a very long time til there will be an exploit
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=52603311&postcount=12
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=52609797&postcount=42
Theres nothing on NC4 coming from NC2 worth losing that imo it shouldnt be long til you see NC4 roms in the dev section pre rooted. But its your phone, and we all take our own risks.
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Jeez I shouldnt have even said anything about being able to take the OTA w/survival mode.
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Thank you for doing so - it is appreciated by many. Sometimes people get caught up in their own circumstances and cannot appreciate that not everything is so black and white.
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Like I said, it worked for me after doing some pre-maintenance.
My thought process was that being it'll probably be close to a year before Verizon releases another update... I plan to jump ship before I see another OTA.
That, or the awesome Devs here that give Big Red the finger and find ways to do the impossible.
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Sometimes people get caught up in their own circumstances and cannot appreciate that not everything is so black and white.
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You mean some people rush to have the newest things, that they dont realize what they are giving up for it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2750875
This thread already exists in Q&A and was simply trying to save some headaches now as well as down the road for those who don't know...
again if all you care about is root on your phone... nobody is stopping you from the attempt
There is already a thread for this:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2750875
Thread closed and moved to Q and A like its supposed to be.
Hi Everyone,
I have the G2, and wanted to get rid of annoying ads. So I rooted(that's it, stock, no recovery). I only rooted it. Everything is still stock. The only thing I added was superuser and busybox. I didn't install a recovery like Twrp or cm. I hate ads, that is the only reason I rooted. I didn't delete any bloatware, only froze with Titanium. Essentially everything is factory, except it is rooted.
Question: Will I be able to take the lollipop OTA?
If so, Will I lose root?
If I cant receive OTA, what do I need to do to receive ota update?
Thanks a bunch
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Question: Will I be able to take the lollipop OTA?
If so, Will I lose root?
If I cant receive OTA, what do I need to do to receive ota update?
Thanks a bunch
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Probably
Probably not
Flash stock .kdz
Well we are not likely to see a LP update in the near future, so no worries. As long as you haven't touched any system apps or installed custom recovery you will most likely be fine taking any OTA.
I think that OTA updates aint posible on some devices, like example mine which is 20b. I can only update via pc and lg update tool, but im kinda scared i wont brick my phone since i rooted it on stock 20b with towelroot.
Should i do the update? Can sh*t happen? I am looking over the forums atm, but wanted to ask.
Also im searching for a recovery install way on d802 with rooted 20b stock firmware.
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If you are Stock you can still take the OTA if/when it comes out. Root has never been an issue upgrading with an OTA.
What makes the process fail is what you do with root, like changing DPI, changing the WiFi Tether App, physically deleting bloat (verse disabling it).
I'm not sure if you can root Lollipop yet. I've heard they are disabling the ability to root lollipop without a custom kernel.
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If you are Stock you can still take the OTA if/when it comes out. Root has never been an issue upgrading with an OTA.
What makes the process fail is what you do with root, like changing DPI, changing the WiFi Tether App, physically deleting bloat (verse disabling it).
I'm not sure if you can root Lollipop yet. I've heard they are disabling the ability to root lollipop without a custom kernel.
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Thanks,
I did few changes with xposed and g2 tweakbox, you think that could cause problems for the update?
I think i should really update 20b stock..
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I wouldn't risk it, I've read a lot about people bricking their phone because they thought they could just uninstall xposed, uproot and update