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I'm NOT whining: Lag on jp6 Froyo is real (proof)

Check my Youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fds9eccI9OA
I did a FR before flashing with Kies, and after flashing. Also did a clean install of all apps and settings and a cache wipe.
maybe 50 pics, 50 mp3s and 100 apps and 4 widgets running.
This video was taken just 15 minutes after a reboot.
Do people consider this whining?
EDIT: Spend 6 minutes looking through the video. The lags gets worse and worse.

That is the worst lag I have ever seen, I understand if you are upset, for me the lag is 1-2 second pauses now and then.
Was it as bad on 2.1?

Looks bad. Anyways try getting rid of the batt app that lets you know of the batt percentage on the notifications tray. I got rid of mine and the phone is much quicker.
Good luck i feel for you buddy.
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Something is hogging the cpu.. Or a process is creating a problem. What happens after you clean the memory in the taskmanager? This isn't normal.
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Whats the icon in the top right hand corner? And this SHOULD have been posted to the other lag threads.

andrewluecke said:
Whats the icon in the top right hand corner? And this SHOULD have been posted to the other lag threads.
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The icon is just the alarm clock.
Ending all apps does not solve much. The lag returns almost immediately.

Was this lag meant to be so, i mean is it intended to blame the phone? I'm sure this is not normal, and have never seen lag like this. Mostly its 1sec (i know many complain about this) but blink twice and it will load

borchgrevink said:
The icon is just the alarm clock.
Ending all apps does not solve much. The lag returns almost immediately.
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What apps do you have installed?
And yes, creating your own thread is whining.. This thread should be marked as a duplicate..

andrewluecke said:
What apps do you have installed?
And yes, creating your own thread is whining.. This thread should be marked as a duplicate..
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Sorry, but I have to disagree. I think this is relevant enough to put in a separate thread.
My apps: http://www.appbrain.com/user/borchgrevink/apps-on-the-phone (minus Angry birds)
The lag was almost like this also with jf3 and jm1.
Not many apps running simultaneously, so I don't see the problem...

Not to disparage what you're experiencing there mate but I flashed JP6 yesterday and I can honestly say so far it's been smooth sailing even without any lag-fixes, as opposed to when I was on 2.1 just prior and things were about the same as what you've got here. Did you do a TitaniumBackup restore or anything?

Unimaginative said:
Not to disparage what you're experiencing there mate but I flashed JP6 yesterday and I can honestly say so far it's been smooth sailing even without any lag-fixes, as opposed to when I was on 2.1 just prior and things were about the same as what you've got here. Did you do a TitaniumBackup restore or anything?
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Clean install of everything.

adzam3 said:
Looks bad. Anyways try getting rid of the batt app that lets you know of the batt percentage on the notifications tray. I got rid of mine and the phone is much quicker.
Good luck i feel for you buddy.
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Did that and no difference...

borchgrevink said:
Clean install of everything.
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Hmmmm, the only thing I can think of (and this'll probably sound silly) but you might want to try without a SIM in it. I remember people with Milestones having damaged/faulty SIMs which would cause their phones to slow right down.
Also, sorry but I have to admit I got a good giggle from the fingers tapping at ~4:30 :3

borchgrevink said:
Sorry, but I have to disagree. I think this is relevant enough to put in a separate thread.
My apps: http://www.appbrain.com/user/borchgrevink/apps-on-the-phone (minus Angry birds)
The lag was almost like this also with jf3 and jm1.
Not many apps running simultaneously, so I don't see the problem...
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It depends WHAT you are running. In your movie you say stuff like "wow, 5 apps running", but widgetlocker for instance I know slows the phone down a bit.
The number of apps means very little (I can make a computer lag by encoding a video and messing around in photoshop too). It's what you are running that matters. Maybe you should try to work out which applications are causing issues (there is a good reason why I got rid of widgetlocker though).
Anyway, this thread should be closed as a dupe. It doesn't warrant it's own thread, as you aren't a celebrity, and other people have already posted video's onto the existing threads.Your case is no more important than the others.

borchgrevink said:
Clean install of everything.
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That's part of the problem, it probably depends on what you are running, so whatever was slowing down your phone significantly before, has probably been reinstalled..

andrewluecke said:
That's part of the problem, it probably depends on what you are running, so whatever was slowing down your phone significantly before, has probably been reinstalled..
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Wasn't running anything after fresh boot. The video is from first screen taps on this freshly booted phone.
EDIT: Removing Widget Locker does not help... Tried that.

here it's unbelievable stable(jpk+oclf+4wks+120apps), guess it was a wise choice not going jp6/m.
But why are there 5 apps active? I have several active widgets but they don't show up as a regular process(es) here.. I'm sure that my phone would lagg too while running 2 games, 2 web browsers and navigational software on the background. =/
I doubt it was acting like this from flash off right?

Do you consider that the hardware may have been damaged!? You have your warranty, get another one .

borchgrevink said:
Wasn't running anything after fresh boot. The video is from first screen taps on this freshly booted phone.
EDIT: Removing Widget Locker does not help... Tried that.
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Well.. That's my point.. Your apps must be doing something that is sucking up your CPU... because I'm running Messaging, Launcherpro, Jabberoid (not listed in active apps), sipdroid (not listed in active apps), and a live wallpaper. I suspect that your apps are possibly running a few things not listed in task manager.. Also, are you running custom widgets (I'm not using any, which might be adding to the jumpiness). I also only have 50 apps.
I have noticed your app list contains MANY custom widgets..
So, I suggest working out what specifically is causing your issues. But I can honestly say I don't get lag like that on my phone..

andrewluecke said:
Well.. That's my point.. Your apps must be doing something that is sucking up your CPU... because I'm running Messaging, Launcherpro, Jabberoid (not listed in active apps), sipdroid (not listed in active apps), and a live wallpaper. I suspect that your apps are possibly running a few things not listed in task manager.. Also, are you running custom widgets (I'm not using any, which might be adding to the jumpiness). I also only have 50 apps.
I have noticed your app list contains MANY custom widgets..
So, I suggest working out what specifically is causing your issues. But I can honestly say I don't get lag like that on my phone..
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Well, the apps "running" in task manager are only the six most recent apps. I am only using 4-5 widgets on this video. I have also tried without any widgets. Same problem.
Will get a new replacement phone (have made a deal with Samsung, just waiting for a new one).

[Q] Remove autostart programs?

Hi.
So im wondering if someone has a solution for the programs that autostart in the background?
The programs that i have in my list that is unnessesary is:
Setup Guide. (why would you want it running?)
Maps (starts randomly and takes memory)?
Media server (also starts randomly, Maby its something like a sd card media scanner?)
Would like my memory back that theese programs steals from me!

try Advanced Task Killer

Retrosid said:
try Advanced Task Killer
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Well they start again all the time for no reason. I'd guess everyone has the same thing?
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hargibi said:
Well they start again all the time for no reason. I'd guess everyone has the same thing?
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You do not have to worry about them because they are not using any CPU
check battery information and you'll see that they don't appear to cause any problems
if you are using Advanced task killer then exclude them instead of killing them, because it will use a lot of CPU every time they start up again

Aaaaaarrgrrrrggghhhhhh.... You only need worry about CPU hogs.. not Memory.. android will clear the memory they use if it needs it.

im_iceman said:
Aaaaaarrgrrrrggghhhhhh.... You only need worry about CPU hogs.. not Memory.. android will clear the memory they use if it needs it.
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ok to be honest, I dont care how many times you write out that android will clear memory for others programs. Ive seen this line beeing used more times i can say android in one day.
Ive experienced in real life that the more memory i got free, the faster apps open. Apps run smoother and so on.
Sorry about beeing rude, i dont really mean it. Im just trying to state facts about my experience with android
Anyhow i would guess we need a rooted device to completly remove theese apps from starting at all?
Happy weekend all

hargibi said:
ok to be honest, I dont care how many times you write out that android will clear memory for others programs. Ive seen this line beeing used more times i can say android in one day.
Ive experienced in real life that the more memory i got free, the faster apps open. Apps run smoother and so on.
Sorry about beeing rude, i dont really mean it. Im just trying to state facts about my experience with android
Anyhow i would guess we need a rooted device to completly remove theese apps from starting at all?
Happy weekend all
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I recommend you installing "Active apps" to check active applications, once installed you'll understand what Iceman is talking about
You claim you have experience with Android, is this experience gained from 2.3 or prior versions?
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Its definitley true about android clearing out the memory it needs. Ive found if im down to around 40 ish free memory and start a game such as nova, if I end it immediately I usually have around 100 free

diggedy said:
Its definitley true about android clearing out the memory it needs. Ive found if im down to around 40 ish free memory and start a game such as nova, if I end it immediately I usually have around 100 free
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If more memory is necessary to run a program (e.g. nova), unneeded programs are deleted/swapped from memory. This is done all the time.
So think about the fastest way:
- free ram with taskkiller, start new program
- start new program and let android free ram
I would wonder, if you're faster with taskkiller

Conclusion: multitasking is super slow on GB, until...

Just realised that mt on ginger rom is slow until some system apps are removed. For example Maps, gmail, email...
As far as I know some of those apps are always in memory and other apps just dont have enough ram to run.
Example: I was using System app remover to uninstall loads of useless apps from GC 7.4 and every time uninstallation process would finish Sys app rem. would restart. That stopped when I deleted Maps and some other apps.
You can see it when surfing the net and using tapatalk in thevsame time. Tapatalk will go back to favorites, and browser will reload the page when opened, insted of just showing it up immedatly.
Those things never happen on Froyo roms and I think that Froyo ram management suits more to our device.
I hope I was clear, I will explain further when I go on the pc.
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Edit: Probably Supercharger script would solve this, but as I failed first time I'm too f***ing lazy to try again

wow. I think I'm the only one noticed this. I don't want to be marked/recognized as "troll" by saying this in the forum, that's why I'm keeping this for myself this while LOL.
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HaN6787 said:
wow. I think I'm the only one noticed this. I don't want to be marked/recognized as "troll" by saying this in the forum, that's why I'm keeping this for myself this while LOL.
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It's a fact. Ginger is smoother in "animations" like pulling down notification bar, keyboard etc...
But Froyo is better for multiple apps.

I'm also experiencing these problems also. My home app is also closing after opening a message from lockscreen..
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Supercharger script fix this but we cant run it on boot.

Dare-Devil Inside said:
It's a fact. Ginger is smoother in "animations" like pulling down notification bar, keyboard etc...
But Froyo is better for multiple apps.
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Yes, ginger is better on animation stuff, but about multitasking, since our X8's RAM is lower, the multitasking experience is worse than froyo

Im just wondering if its the RAM problem, then why it runs well on froyo than gingerbread?

I noticed that some applications spend more memory in GingerDX compared to the FroyoBread such as keyboard, dialer, FroyoBread (app).

Isnt by default dialer, settings, keyboard are always in background? Its a system process so I guess it should always running. Correct me if Im wrong.

OT: I meet two people with "dee" in there names "aldee" and "Mika Dee" and ya "DDI"? hihihi. ooopss. spam

Mika Dee said:
Isnt by default dialer, settings, keyboard are always in background? Its a system process so I guess it should always running. Correct me if Im wrong.
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Some applications such as Fancy Widgets also spend more memory in GingerDX after boot (15MB vs. 10MB in FroyoBread)

I see so it is really dependent on how many application installed and running in background, i noticed poweramp also eat much memry.
-just teasing Mika Dee-

awww deedii how are you related to baifern pimchanok, that's you?

That's a secret i dont want to reveal.
Haha so much for this OT. Youre new right? Welcome to world of x8 x0x0

awww your a fan i guess. Thank you.

[TIP] Make ICS *Faster*!!!

Hello...
A simple tip for today...
Do you run stock 4.0.3? Want to have some faster performances?
Try the tip of the day:
1. Open Settings>Developers Options>Force GPU Rendering(enable it)
2. Kill all the background apps(long press Home key and swipe all away)
3. Restart the phone.
You will surely notice a bump of improvement.
Recognizable improvements in: Facebook, Twiiter, Whats-app, XDA, Gmail etc...
Let me know if it worls!
Cheers!
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we will see

HAKA said:
Hello...
2. Kill all the background apps(long press Home key and swipe all away)
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this just hides the most recent apps. it does not kill any background process

praveenmarkandu said:
this just hides the most recent apps. it does not kill any background process
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Besides, most (if not all) apps that appear there are cached and they are not actually running. Exceptions are some apps that insist on having useless services running all day (for example, facebook, eats around 7-8mb RAM while doing nothing). The more cached processes you actually have, the faster these apps will launch so it doesn't make much sense to go and kill them all.
Unix works the same way. Currently on my computer with 8GB RAM running only Chromium and Pidgin (an IM app) it says I am using 6573mb of RAM! Is that possible? Well, I actually use 570mb but the rest are all cache. Since unused RAM = wasted RAM, it caches disk files I use all the time for faster access. Nothing is lost and you gain some speed. I am pretty sure Windows does the same too, at Task Manager under the CPU/RAM graphs is a small box with RAM usage, I remember it saying 'Cache' there too, but it doesn't add it to the 'Used' RAM counter so you think it's really really empty.

What does enabling Force GPU rendering do to the battery life?

HAKA said:
2. Kill all the background apps(long press Home key and swipe all away)
3. Restart the phone.
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Restarting the phone would clear all the background apps anyway

onthecouchagain said:
What does enabling Force GPU rendering do to the battery life?
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Did not see a difference. But it's not smoother though...

Problem is you will break apps that aren't yet ready for hardware acceleration.

Facebook performs much better
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maybe can make some unstable apps, maybe it's better to wait for all apps support ics and their "api"

sakisds said:
Besides, most (if not all) apps that appear there are cached and they are not actually running. Exceptions are some apps that insist on having useless services running all day (for example, facebook, eats around 7-8mb RAM while doing nothing). The more cached processes you actually have, the faster these apps will launch so it doesn't make much sense to go and kill them all.
Unix works the same way. Currently on my computer with 8GB RAM running only Chromium and Pidgin (an IM app) it says I am using 6573mb of RAM! Is that possible? Well, I actually use 570mb but the rest are all cache. Since unused RAM = wasted RAM, it caches disk files I use all the time for faster access. Nothing is lost and you gain some speed. I am pretty sure Windows does the same too, at Task Manager under the CPU/RAM graphs is a small box with RAM usage, I remember it saying 'Cache' there too, but it doesn't add it to the 'Used' RAM counter so you think it's really really empty.
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I want what you say to be true, but there are some apps that aren't just cached but actually have background services running.
When you go an flick them off that apps list it doesn't just free up the ram from the cached activity but also the background services that were spawned from it. With some of the apps I launch it's noticeable if I clean up those old activities first.

try aosp+ by androiduser and flash eugene's icup kernel. you'll be surprised that speed is comparable to gb

Any difference you'll notice should be just placebo =]

Well this was a misleading thread. Whole bunch of nuthin.
The best way to speed up ics is to flash vhgomez's 1.2 or Crossbones rom, along with Eugene's Speedy3 kernel.

Braneless said:
Well this was a misleading thread. Whole bunch of nuthin.
The best way to speed up ics is to flash vhgomez's 1.2 or Crossbones rom, along with Eugene's Speedy3 kernel.
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+1
Sent from my Nexus S 4G using XDA App. Developer of brickROM, and OP of XDA Thread of The Year 2011.

haha i dont know but not see much difference here
but thx

praveenmarkandu said:
this just hides the most recent apps. it does not kill any background process
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Not true. Op is correct. Swiping them DOES kill the process.

Flashing a different kernel increases the speed alot. I'm using eugene's ICUP speedy 3 kernel and it's really fast!

obsanity said:
Not true. Op is correct. Swiping them DOES kill the process.
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No, go away.

lvnatic said:
No, go away.
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Umm OK. I'll just be in another thread

Question about RAM usage

Hey guys, I hope you're all doing well.
My question is why in my RN7 that hast 4gb of RAM, there is alway at least 1.5GB free? I also noticed it in a friend's phone that have 3GB and with 1 or 2 GB free, I wouln't mind if my phone usage was low, but almost always it has to reload the apps that were opened before the 3rd or 4th most recent. I dont know if I'm making any sense but the RAM usage shouldn't be almost 100%?
Thank you

Is that for what u ask?

That's exactly what I mean, the RAM is free but several apps have to be reloaded after a while.
Edit: I think I found an answer, I suppose is the battery optimizer that closes apps after a while, if anyone knows about this, please confirm.

2Gb free here. On latest RevOS MIUI.

I'm not worried about using 2 of 4gigs, is the contrary, I want to use all the gigs so my apps don't reload too often and are ready to use

Psicovirus said:
I'm not worried about using 2 of 4gigs, is the contrary, I want to use all the gigs so my apps don't reload too often and are ready to use
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Linux don't work like windows.
https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/mm/index.html
https://serversuit.com/community/technical-tips/view/how-does-linux-handle-ram.html

Psicovirus said:
I'm not worried about using 2 of 4gigs, is the contrary, I want to use all the gigs so my apps don't reload too often and are ready to use
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Change app battery saver of particular app to no restrictions and lock the app in recents. Maybe it'll not kill the app.

!!!!!!!Root2!!!!!! said:
Change app battery saver of particular app to no restrictions and lock the app in recents. Maybe it'll not kill the app.
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After a bit of usage, this is the answer I was looking for, I was not used to have a task killer built into the phone OS by default, doing what you said did the trick for me, thanks!