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What's going on? even after using advanced task killer, I only have around 200MB RAM free from the 512MB
What is eating up all my RAM?
It doesn't make sense that the OS requires 300MB of RAM to run, since it runs on devices with 128MB
I know I'm not the only one seeing this
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Yeah, whats up with this????
After a reboot and letting it sit for a minute, I kill all tasks and it tells me 237Megs available....
Can the system be using all of that or something???
The os could be caching ram, maybe like windows 7 does now where it always shows low free ram even when it isn't truly in use. We need a linux or android expert to chime in.
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Precaching photos for your contacts and their info and other photos in terms of widgets.
Droid X probably has some aggressive precaching.
Its pretty damn fast and everything runs great so i don't care too much how much it sais is free.
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Yet it seems like nobody has thought to precache the app icons in the launcher. The launcher has always been the most lag-prone part of any android phone.
InspecterJones said:
Its pretty damn fast and everything runs great so i don't care too much how much it sais is free.
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Right there with ya ; )
yes this phone has 512mb of ram, but the hardware in the phone makes alot of that ram dedicated to it, hardware such as the awesome gpu! so even 200mb free! is still alot let over.
Ryan Frawley said:
Yet it seems like nobody has thought to precache the app icons in the launcher. The launcher has always been the most lag-prone part of any android phone.
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Only takes a second and they may have aimed for a limit.
I assume froyo may help with this...i hope! Im dropping down into the 50s will normal use and if i kill everything i can get back up to about 120s. there is a little lag on scrolling but ill wait for froyo. loving my first android!
I'm hovering around 75 or so, with mild auto task killing. Is this something to be concerned about? It feels relatively smooth.
EDIT: Will auto-killing tasks (useless ones) improve battery life or hurt it by wasting cpu cycles? I've heard that task killers aren't good for Android, and yet I also hear that they can improve battery life if used properly. I figure XDA will have a few people who can help answer that question
which tasks can you kill?
i wanted to know which tasks can be killed with my auto task killer without messing up anything with the phone? thanks.
Mikerrrrrrrr said:
I've heard that task killers aren't good for Android, and yet I also hear that they can improve battery life if used properly.
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Unless you're running apps that are poorly designed and behaving badly, you probably won't see any benefits from using a task killer.
I have not heard too much about this, but the available RAM on my Atrix is around ~155-160MB which seems really low considering nothing but syncing services are running.
How is your phone keeping up?
i.mac said:
I have not heard too much about this, but the available RAM on my Atrix is around ~155-160MB which seems really low considering nothing but syncing services are running.
How is your phone keeping up?
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That is normal. Everyone needs to read up on how RAM works on an Android phone. Especially Android 2.2+
http://android.nextapp.com/site/systempanel/doc/taskmanagement
live4nyy said:
That is normal. Everyone needs to read up on how RAM works on an Android phone. Especially Android 2.2+
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That's a relief. I haven't had any issues in speed with the phone. I'm just getting apprehensive because there is so much negativity in these forums about the phone. :/
i.mac said:
That's a relief. I haven't had any issues in speed with the phone. I'm just getting apprehensive because there is so much negativity in these forums about the phone. :/
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Yeah, I hear ya. I forget sometimes that a task killer used to be essential on older versions like 1.5/1.6
I usually have between 250-400 free, but I turn my phone off and on once or twice a day to keep it running fresh. I never see available ram that low.
im usually at around 400-450 when i keep it normal....try to clean up the crap out some bloated scripts on webtop, that'll free up some space, and also delete the bloatware from the apps...if you do that and don't run a secondary launcher, you should be fine...im just running motoblur adeo modded which keeps it lean.
I am running launcher pro. I'll try running Blur. How do I remove the bloatware?
i.mac said:
I am running launcher pro. I'll try running Blur. How do I remove the bloatware?
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well delete LP (it runs about 50mb when fully initialized), delete all the stock apps that you really don't need, also install adeo rom which will deox your apps so it wont run at boot, you can also install atk (it wont read the ram accurately since it has conflicts with the dual core for some reason) but it does work. it should then be at around 400+ on ram available.
You can add things to the auto close list in the built in task manager. Those apps will close out when the screen goes into standby. Lots of things stay running and sucking up ram without doing that.
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http://android.nextapp.com/site/systempanel/doc/taskmanagement
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That is an interesting bit of information. I never realized any of that. I always look at the little memroy stat on my sense clock widget and hate when my memory gets low. I am always closing apps to bring up free ram.
This was one of the reasons I reverted from the adeo rom. Always had less than 200mb free and could barely get it higher. Without adeo I can keep it closer to 300mb.
It always seems that my phone runs fine no matter what the available ram states so it makes sense to me that it doesn't matter. Perhaps now I won't concern myself with it as much and maybe even give launcher pro another go.
Mafisometal said:
well delete LP (it runs about 50mb when fully initialized), delete all the stock apps that you really don't need, also install adeo rom which will deox your apps so it wont run at boot, you can also install atk (it wont read the ram accurately since it has conflicts with the dual core for some reason) but it does work. it should then be at around 400+ on ram available.
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waltah! said:
You can add things to the auto close list in the built in task manager. Those apps will close out when the screen goes into standby. Lots of things stay running and sucking up ram without doing that.
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I hate to say it but you guys have no idea what you're talking about. Just read the link I posted earlier and do some research on your own about the matter. All you're doing is putting stress on the system and killing your battery.
I have a ton of stuff on my phone and it usually doesn't go lower than 300mb free. Usually more around 400-450.
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I hate to say it but you guys have no idea what you're talking about. Just read the link I posted earlier and do some research on your own about the matter. All you're doing is putting stress on the system and killing your battery.
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this man speaks the truth.
I'm running launcher pro, blur stuff frozen, always have more than 300mb free. want to know the best way to clean up the RAM? go delete all the excess apps you don't actually need or use. I'm willing to bet there are a good number that you haven't used since first downloading thinking they'd be cool.
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this man speaks the truth. .
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Yea, verily. This is why I'm not especially worried about the Bionic's or the G2X's smaller RAM capacities. I have killed a lot of bloatware and typically have more than half my Atrix's memory available. Since "available" basically equals "wasted", I'm not going to have any problem returning the phone to hold out for the G2X.
(I would probably feel differently if I could see myself getting much use out of the Atrix's webtop OS.)
Can anyone confirm if Adeo works on the Bell version? Thanks.
Also, do I use Titanium Backup to backup all the stock apps incase I decide to return?
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Can anyone confirm if Adeo works on the Bell version? Thanks.
Also, do I use Titanium Backup to backup all the stock apps incase I decide to return?
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Not sure if it's working for the Bell version.
The Adeo install script creates a backup file of your system files. Titanium will only backup the apk files, not the odex files. So if you wanted to return it you would have to take the created backup file, extract the required folders, then repackage and rename them to work with the adeounistall script. Be sure to replace the folder that is already in there.
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Not sure if it's working for the Bell version.
The Adeo install script creates a backup file of your system files. Titanium will only backup the apk files, not the odex files. So if you wanted to return it you would have to take the created backup file, extract the required folders, then repackage and rename them to work with the adeounistall script. Be sure to replace the folder that is already in there.
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Wow! And I suppose there is a tutorial for this. I have used a lot of abd with my Nexus but I always had a tutorial to refer to.
Why do you need more than 200mb of RAM available? I use a Milestone 1 and I get 30 to 50MB available and it works like a charm. Memory management in Android is automatic, way different from a desktop OS. It frees up memory as soon as you need it.
I run Memory Booster which has task killer and quick boost. When I run it after start up, I hit around low 600 mb free. When I run it when the phone dips to the 300 mb range, it normally frees up 150 to 200 mb.
Hi.
So im wondering if someone has a solution for the programs that autostart in the background?
The programs that i have in my list that is unnessesary is:
Setup Guide. (why would you want it running?)
Maps (starts randomly and takes memory)?
Media server (also starts randomly, Maby its something like a sd card media scanner?)
Would like my memory back that theese programs steals from me!
try Advanced Task Killer
Retrosid said:
try Advanced Task Killer
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Well they start again all the time for no reason. I'd guess everyone has the same thing?
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hargibi said:
Well they start again all the time for no reason. I'd guess everyone has the same thing?
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You do not have to worry about them because they are not using any CPU
check battery information and you'll see that they don't appear to cause any problems
if you are using Advanced task killer then exclude them instead of killing them, because it will use a lot of CPU every time they start up again
Aaaaaarrgrrrrggghhhhhh.... You only need worry about CPU hogs.. not Memory.. android will clear the memory they use if it needs it.
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Aaaaaarrgrrrrggghhhhhh.... You only need worry about CPU hogs.. not Memory.. android will clear the memory they use if it needs it.
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ok to be honest, I dont care how many times you write out that android will clear memory for others programs. Ive seen this line beeing used more times i can say android in one day.
Ive experienced in real life that the more memory i got free, the faster apps open. Apps run smoother and so on.
Sorry about beeing rude, i dont really mean it. Im just trying to state facts about my experience with android
Anyhow i would guess we need a rooted device to completly remove theese apps from starting at all?
Happy weekend all
hargibi said:
ok to be honest, I dont care how many times you write out that android will clear memory for others programs. Ive seen this line beeing used more times i can say android in one day.
Ive experienced in real life that the more memory i got free, the faster apps open. Apps run smoother and so on.
Sorry about beeing rude, i dont really mean it. Im just trying to state facts about my experience with android
Anyhow i would guess we need a rooted device to completly remove theese apps from starting at all?
Happy weekend all
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I recommend you installing "Active apps" to check active applications, once installed you'll understand what Iceman is talking about
You claim you have experience with Android, is this experience gained from 2.3 or prior versions?
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Its definitley true about android clearing out the memory it needs. Ive found if im down to around 40 ish free memory and start a game such as nova, if I end it immediately I usually have around 100 free
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Its definitley true about android clearing out the memory it needs. Ive found if im down to around 40 ish free memory and start a game such as nova, if I end it immediately I usually have around 100 free
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If more memory is necessary to run a program (e.g. nova), unneeded programs are deleted/swapped from memory. This is done all the time.
So think about the fastest way:
- free ram with taskkiller, start new program
- start new program and let android free ram
I would wonder, if you're faster with taskkiller
May i ask why is the ram used always 500-600 / 776 even after closing all programs? Is this normal?
Yes, it is normal, but with touch of some devs we could get more
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Honestly, the fact that a lot of RAM is being used is a good thing. Think about it. If you have loads of free unused RAM, then that's just really high speed memory that isn't being used to make your system and apps run and load faster.
Jade Eyed Wolf said:
Honestly, the fact that a lot of RAM is being used is a good thing. Think about it. If you have loads of free unused RAM, then that's just really high speed memory that isn't being used to make your system and apps run and load faster.
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make sense but somehow looking at that amount of ram use doesn't seem to justify the speed i feel
Well, maybe just get use to it and hope it gets better after some nice update
The only problem of too much used ram is that the garbage collection on the the Tab7.7 is quite bad and needs to be tweaked once you have 50mb free ram it starts to significantly slow down till the low memory killer decides to kick in.
elsonhwx said:
make sense but somehow looking at that amount of ram use doesn't seem to justify the speed i feel
Well, maybe just get use to it and hope it gets better after some nice update
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I not sure how many times this needs to be repeated, but the lag is due to honeycomb and touchwiz, and likely won't change till ICS arrives.
Jade Eyed Wolf said:
Honestly, the fact that a lot of RAM is being used is a good thing. Think about it. If you have loads of free unused RAM, then that's just really high speed memory that isn't being used to make your system and apps run and load faster.
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Except that most of it is filled with bloatware that most of us won't even use.
I hate how Android decides for me what it will load. I have no control of it and that is annoying. I wish it was more like a PC where you can uninstall the crap you don't want and be shut of it for good.
DaveC1964 said:
Except that most of it is filled with bloatware that most of us won't even use.
I hate how Android decides for me what it will load. I have no control of it and that is annoying. I wish it was more like a PC where you can uninstall the crap you don't want and be shut of it for good.
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A windows 8 tablet might give you just that and I would assume the modding community for it will be bigger.
DaveC1964 said:
I wish it was more like a PC where you can uninstall the crap you don't want and be shut of it for good.
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You can... root it (takes around 2 minutes) and use Titanium Backup to freeze or even uninstall system apps.
Richdog said:
You can... root it (takes around 2 minutes) and use Titanium Backup to freeze or even uninstall system apps.
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which apps can be freeze ?
Thank you
might as well try installing autostarts app so you will have control on the app that will run on certain event, such as during boot up, when wifi is turned on etc. saves ram and loading times (during boot up not the app themselves)
I just uninstalled a bunch of stuff, about 61 APK's this includes apps that I will never use and widgets that I dont use that auto starts.
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which apps can be freeze ?
Thank you
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That is a very good question. Whats apps could safely be frozen that wont interfeer with the operation of the tab. Everytime i clear ram using the stock task manager it closes over 20 apps, i would like to know what they are and if i really need them.
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Mine is always used maxed at 650mb.. If I clear them, it will go down to 420.. sometime even 380..
650MB sounds about right as we only have 766MB of usable mem, andriod tends to keep between 75-95mb of free ram for god knows what.
i just get tired of stupid TouchWiz to kill my browser or Reader each time i go to Home launcher and open something else
Richdog said:
You can... root it (takes around 2 minutes) and use Titanium Backup to freeze or even uninstall system apps.
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I tried that on my phone and it ended up freezing the GUI somehow (even though I only froze bloat) so I could no longer use the phone at all. I had to reflash the FW through odin and set up all over again. What a pain. I am a bit aprehensive to freeze anything now.
which system apps that we suppose to freez and it's save??do you have any suggestion??
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i am having some issues with the ram - it gets to a point where the device becomes unresponsive using around 750 mb of ram - not sure exactly why and i dont always have alot of apps open - i am forced to hold the power button down and restart - i am rooted running the magnolia tab 1.1 beta - i dont remember if this was happening before i rooted / running this rom - i am not running any widgets at all now and it is still happening - anyone else having this issue ?
I suspect the missing ram may have been stolen by the Mali graphics adapter. I'm not certain but since this is a SOC there isn't any place to put ram so it just nicks done system ram. It seems like a lot to go missing but texture can be pretty large these days.
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I've been using this app for the past few weeks:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cleanmaster.mguard
and it seems like every other day or so, it warns me that my RAM use is over 90%?
Maybe the reason why Samusng put 3gb of RAM on this phone is because the software is so bloated?
Neo3D said:
I've been using this app for the past few weeks:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cleanmaster.mguard
and it seems like every other day or so, it warns me that my RAM use is over 90%?
Maybe the reason why Samusng put 3gb of RAM on this phone is because the software is so bloated?
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That's normal, and infact good.
When you close an application, it leaves a bit of footprint in the RAM. So when you open it the next time, it opens faster. Incase the RAM starts running out, android removes the earlier apps from it.
Stop blaming Sammy for just about everything.
Neo3D said:
I've been using this app for the past few weeks:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cleanmaster.mguard
and it seems like every other day or so, it warns me that my RAM use is over 90%?
Maybe the reason why Samusng put 3gb of RAM on this phone is because the software is so bloated?
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i have the same app and ive been on cm11 for weeks never had to use it not like when i was on tw sometimes 2/3 times aday
jaythenut said:
i have the same app and ive been on cm11 for weeks never had to use it not like when i was on tw sometimes 2/3 times aday
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Is it safe to use these app killer things or should we just let Android take care of it automatically? I thought I read somewhere that these things are bad and can make corruption?
Over 90%? I rarely go past 50%... Perks of running CM11
I rarely go past 50 and I use a TW based ROM..
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I rarely go past 50 and I use a TW based ROM..
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I'm using stock TW on Tmo and I go over 90% at least every other day if not more
Might wanna check what apps you are using and have installed. Uninstall apps you don't use etc.
If you have root you can freeze apps you never use and I disagree it doesn't affect the system performance. On a boot up just about every application loads into memory and that's plain stupid, since most of those apps I never ever use. I was actually shocked when I looked at application manager and everything was loaded into memory. It was main reason I rooted my phone, to freeze all the garbage and bloat on my phone. You can also delete some of the stuff, but it gets little complicated if you delete wrong app and then other things don't work no more. I don't know if they load all programs into memory because of "just in time" compiler, another idiotic idea, why compile program once, when we can compile and waste time, every time we start the program. When new, my phone would use about 70% of memory right from the boot and would go to 90% over time, now I freeze just the most obvious stuff and start at 40% memory load. There is a spreadsheet listing all apps, what they do if they can be safely removed, it could help you get better control of your phone.
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If you have root you can freeze apps you never use and I disagree it doesn't affect the system performance. On a boot up just about every application loads into memory and that's plain stupid, since most of those apps I never ever use. I was actually shocked when I looked at application manager and everything was loaded into memory. It was main reason I rooted my phone, to freeze all the garbage and bloat on my phone. You can also delete some of the stuff, but it gets little complicated if you delete wrong app and then other things don't work no more. I don't know if they load all programs into memory because of "just in time" compiler, another idiotic idea, why compile program once, when we can compile and waste time, every time we start the program. When new, my phone would use about 70% of memory right from the boot and would go to 90% over time, now I freeze just the most obvious stuff and start at 40% memory load. There is a spreadsheet listing all apps, what they do if they can be safely removed, it could help you get better control of your phone.
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Which spreadsheet do you mean? Is it an accurate spreadsheet as to what we can freeze? Oh, do you need root to freeze?
pete4k said:
On a boot up just about every application loads into memory and that's plain stupid, since most of those apps I never ever use. I was actually shocked when I looked at application manager and everything was loaded into memory.
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^ This
I've just recently installed boot manager(requires root + xposed framework) to combat this very problem. It doesn't stop system apps from starting just user downloaded ones. TBH I haven't noticed any effect on the battery or the speed of the phone. Just when I restart, the phone has more free memory.
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I was on 4.3 MJ1 rooted and every day I would go up to 90% as it would notify me on the bar to clean.
Now I'm on 4.4 NA6 rooted and I don't get the popup anymore, the 340mb RAM bump is quite useful.
nicholaschum said:
the 340mb RAM bump is quite useful.
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What does that mean? KK uses 340mb less RAM?
Neo3D said:
Which spreadsheet do you mean? Is it an accurate spreadsheet as to what we can freeze? Oh, do you need root to freeze?
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here is the spreadsheet listing apps, what they do and if they're safe to remove or freeze, it is not complete but good starting point. Just be careful, don't touch stuff you're not sure about.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2470862
Since Google, just like Crapple thinks all their users are idiots and should be saved from themselves, yeah you need to root to just do anything on your phone. You can go to Application manager and force close programs you don't use without root but:
1. you need to do it every time phone starts one by one
2. some programs will restart by themselves anyway
When you freeze, you do it once and that's it. ROM Toolbox has pretty much all you need.
As far as 4.4 goes, yep you may get some RAM back but pretty much loose access to your SD card, if you have one, something like going from shower into the rain
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What does that mean? KK uses 340mb less RAM?
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You get more RAM on KK. 340mb more.
nicholaschum said:
You get more RAM on KK. 340mb more.
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But KitKat disables the micro SD card?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2613816
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But KitKat disables the micro SD card?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2613816
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MicroSD works on mine. Maybe its because of different variants. But I run custom ROM X-Note 8.0, and most of my media is in MicroSD.
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But KitKat disables the micro SD card?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2613816
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KK introduces new permission for SD card usage that breaks writing to SD for most 3rd party apps, you can fix it if you're rooted or run custom ROM, like above poster, but I don't think there is a way to root KK without tripping Knox flag and so you may be loosing your warranty.
I'm rooted on 4.3 and my flag is x0, so for me this is the way it will have to stay.
denski101 said:
^ This
I've just recently installed boot manager(requires root + xposed framework) to combat this very problem. It doesn't stop system apps from starting just user downloaded ones. TBH I haven't noticed any effect on the battery or the speed of the phone. Just when I restart, the phone has more free memory.
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Just to add to this.
Here's another app I've been using to clear ram.
Advanced Task Cleaner Pro (doesn't require root)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bright.taskcleaner
The advantage this app has over the regular way of clearing ram is that you can create an auto-kill list, which will stop apps from reloading back into the memory after being killed. It will show system as well as user apps and processes currently running.
Digging through the settings there's also a setting to clear ram on system startup(non-root alt to boot manager)
I myself have never got the "full or almost full" memory notification, so I quess I've never maxed out the ram. I think most of these memory/app killing apps(including the one above) are aimed at low and middle tier mobiles which don't have sufficient memory to cope with multitasking and background processes, without stuttering and slowing to a halt.
Since my battery life is good, and I'm more than happy with the phone's speed, I haven't got a real need to clear the memory all the time. I have a habbit of closing apps after using them, although leaving apps in the background and/or not clearing memory after closing will result in faster opening times. There are quite a few claims that these ram killer apps save massive amounts of battery and what not, from my end I don't see this, although its important to check for yourself and come to you own conclusions.
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