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Endless reboot...

Hey guys,
I've been lurking here ever since I got the incredible. Unfortunately, this is the first time I needed to post and it's bad news. My Incredible is rebooting more than 20 times a day, and I mean that not counting the reboot loop it gets stuck in. I have wiped the phone clean, started to go through the start up wizard, and it rebooted there, so I know it's not an bad app. It has rebooted randomly, though not as bad, before I rooted, so it's not that. I live in southern california and I get good service at home so I don't think it's the same problem as those incidents in south carolina. Does anyone have an idea what it could be? I'm running out of solutions and ready to just drop the phone, eat the ETF and go to sprint. Thanks in advance for the help.
Kiyoshi

I would flash it back to stock take it to verizon and show them what it is doing and have them send you another one, I brought mine back for the unresponsive screen issue and they said it was going to take three weeks for me to get another one but I received it 4 days later. so before switching to sprint and paying a big ETF I would try the above first. but if all else fails to ease the pain a little and not have to pay such a big ETF get a crappy verizon flip phone that you can activate on the line use it for a day or two then cancel your account. you will only pay a 175.00 ETF vs a 350.00 ETF. just a little round about way to "stick it" to the man.

Also, does downgrading and unrooting get rid of the wireless-n mod? Just downgraded and was in the wizard and right when I tried to connect to my network, it rebooted.

That's funny I just flashed it back to stock so I could do that. The problem is that I bought it from best buy in april and did not buy the extended warranty ( of course not, damn waste of money). IIRC, verizon does not honor warranties bought from a different store, correct?

twisted origin said:
Also, does downgrading and unrooting get rid of the wireless-n mod? Just downgraded and was in the wizard and right when I tried to connect to my network, it rebooted.
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if you reflash the stock ROM it wipes everything including root and wireless N, only reflash stock if you want to return it to the store otherwise you will have to go through the sd card root process again.
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That's funny I just flashed it back to stock so I could do that. The problem is that I bought it from best buy in april and did not buy the extended warranty ( of course not, damn waste of money). IIRC, verizon does not honor warranties bought from a different store, correct?
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I am not sure if verizon won't exchange it, I think that there is a year warranty on the phone standard and extended warranty is only good for after the manufacturers warranty runs out. I would check with BB first and if they won't exchange it take it to verizon and see what they say, BB is an authorized verizon dealer so I would imagine that verizon will honor the warranty. but there is only one way to find out. Good Luck.

ok, so I took it to verizon today, and luckily for me it was rebooting away right after the CSR personally factory reset it. I actually was happy it did, too. She was so smug, telling me that I should have been using a task killer and that maybe I didn't factory reset it correctly. She starts it up and was giving me a "haha that's how you do it" look, when it rebooted on her. She battery pulled it, and then it went into a reboot loop on her. Her smug look was replaced by a look of defeat. It was worth the fact that I couldn't get it to stop rebooting for five minutes after that.
I then called 611 and they said they had a replacement for me and that it would be at my doorstep in two days. Evidently, they keep a separate stock for warranty issues. Well anyways, thanks for the help and I'll have an incredible back in my hands soon

Have u tried going into airplane mode and see if it does it? Just curious.
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Haha I just read Ur last post, I find it funny cuz I work for Verizon also and man u would not believe how many reps say u need a task killer, dumbasses.
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Yes, keeping it in airplane mode definitely helped. With that in mind, I might have an idea of what happened to my phone and potentially to other phones that have had this problem. I ordered the seidio 1750 batt. when I first got my phone, so I have been using it pretty much since the beginning. As you may know it can get unusually warm when in use. I would frequently use it when I'm at work to listen to podcasts and would keep it on the car charger while in use ( I work at a landfill doing gas monitoring, engineering, etc. so always in my work truck). That is first time I could recall a reboot occurring. I don't know how the internal layout is made up, but perhaps the radio or whatever else related received damage due to overheating. Oh well, already received my new incredible and I now have a battery charger so I will avoid charging and using at the same time. You guys are probably saying "Uh, yeah, of course that will happen, dumbass" but I've never had a problem with my other phones.

MyTouch 4G won't boot

I think my MyTouch 4G may be another casualty to the bad emmc chip but wanted to ask you guys just to be sure. This morning I woke up and noticed the alarm didn't go off on my phone, so when I picked it up everything seemed normal. However, when I tried to read a text message it forced closed, then it forced closed the launcher and if I tried to open any other app it forced closed. I tried to hold the power button down to do a reboot, but that didn't work (the pop up screen never came up). So I took the battery out and put it back in, the phone hasn't booted since. I've tried holding volume down and power button, but still nothing. Do you think the phone is bricked? If so, do you think it's the emmc chip issue?
Note: It won't boot when it's hooked up to the charger either, the guy at T-Mobile said there is an issue with the phone. The phone was rooted using GFree method because no other method would work. This phone has the bad EMMC, T-Mobile is sending me a replacement phone.

This sounds exactly like what happened to me. I rooted my phone successfully using the gFree -permaroot method. I then proceed to flash the engineering bootloader and after the battery pull I am no longer able to turn on my phone. I tried booting in HBoot but I get nothing. The LED doesnt light up when I plug the phone into a power source either. If I hold UPVOL+PWR the phone vibrates 4 times quickly and the led light starts flashing, but nothing happens after that. I have called T-Mobile to get a new phone and it is on backorder, so I do have some time before they send me a new one but I'm wondering if there is anything I can do to unroot it? Or is my phone bricked? Will T-Mobile void my warranty and make me pay the full price of the new phone? If anyone has any experience with this or can lead me to somewhere where I can fix this problem, I would greatly appreciate it.
mwilliams05: Sorry to threadjack but this is the only thread I saw that was similar to my situation. Let me know what happens with your phone.

dunnny said:
This sounds exactly like what happened to me. I rooted my phone successfully using the gFree -permaroot method. I then proceed to flash the engineering bootloader and after the battery pull I am no longer able to turn on my phone. I tried booting in HBoot but I get nothing. The LED doesnt light up when I plug the phone into a power source either. If I hold UPVOL+PWR the phone vibrates 4 times quickly and the led light starts flashing, but nothing happens after that. I have called T-Mobile to get a new phone and it is on backorder, so I do have some time before they send me a new one but I'm wondering if there is anything I can do to unroot it? Or is my phone bricked? Will T-Mobile void my warranty and make me pay the full price of the new phone?
mwilliams05: Sorry to threadjack but this is the only thread I saw that was similar to my situation. Let me know what happens with your phone.
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Call customer service and LT them overnight you a phone then etyrn the one you have. They will never find out it was rooted.....its dead! Just let them know it wouldn't boot up all of a sudden. The emmc chips are going out alot. I was lucky enough to get a good one and sold my phone 3 weeks ago.

Yeah the phones on backorder..i wonder why lol. This Mytouch that just broke on me was a replacement from Asurion, it was most likely a refurb or something. But thanks, appreciate the help!

dunnny said:
This sounds exactly like what happened to me. I rooted my phone successfully using the gFree -permaroot method. I then proceed to flash the engineering bootloader and after the battery pull I am no longer able to turn on my phone. I tried booting in HBoot but I get nothing. The LED doesnt light up when I plug the phone into a power source either. If I hold UPVOL+PWR the phone vibrates 4 times quickly and the led light starts flashing, but nothing happens after that. I have called T-Mobile to get a new phone and it is on backorder, so I do have some time before they send me a new one but I'm wondering if there is anything I can do to unroot it? Or is my phone bricked? Will T-Mobile void my warranty and make me pay the full price of the new phone? If anyone has any experience with this or can lead me to somewhere where I can fix this problem, I would greatly appreciate it.
mwilliams05: Sorry to threadjack but this is the only thread I saw that was similar to my situation. Let me know what happens with your phone.
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I received my replacement and it has the bad emmc too. I don't think tmobile will know the phone was rooted from what ive heard from others.
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The SAME thing happened to me! I also used the gfree method. I just want to know do you have to unroot your phone before you can send it back for a replacement because can't they tell you bricked it trying to root by your S=OFF?

holiday29 said:
The SAME thing happened to me! I also used the gfree method. I just want to know do you have to unroot your phone before you can send it back for a replacement because can't they tell you bricked it trying to root by your S=OFF?
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If the phone wont boot up, I don't think they will be able to tell you rooted it. When I spoke with a Tmobile customer service rep he said the extended warranty (which I purchased for an extra $4/mo) covers the phone as long as it's not water damaged or physically damaged, which I felt meant if the phone is bricked, it's covered under warranty. That was one of the reasons I rooted knowing I had the bad emmc chip.
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mwilliams05 said:
If the phone wont boot up, I don't think they will be able to tell you rooted it. When I spoke with a Tmobile customer service rep he said the extended warranty (which I purchased for an extra $4/mo) covers the phone as long as it's not water damaged or physically damaged, which I felt meant if the phone is bricked, it's covered under warranty. That was one of the reasons I rooted knowing I had the bad emmc chip.
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They can still tell if it's rooted. ClockworkMod recovery is still there, and if the phone has the engineering bootloader, that will also be a dead giveaway. The thing is, I don't think any of that matters. My friend has been a VZW customer service manager for years and swears that they don't care if it's rooted. He says they rarely actually try to boot a phone that's been returned, and if they do, being rooted is a non-issue. I know TMO could have a different policy, but since it's TMO known for their customer service, not VZW, I would assume they'd be even more lenient about returns.

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They can still tell if it's rooted. ClockworkMod recovery is still there, and if the phone has the engineering bootloader, that will also be a dead giveaway. The thing is, I don't think any of that matters. My friend has been a VZW customer service manager for years and swears that they don't care if it's rooted. He says they rarely actually try to boot a phone that's been returned, and if they do, being rooted is a non-issue. I know TMO could have a different policy, but since it's TMO known for their customer service, not VZW, I would assume they'd be even more lenient about returns.
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How do they know if clockwork mod recovery is on the phone if it wont turn on? The phone I just sent back wouldn't power on at all. Is there another way for them to find out it's been rooted if the phone won't turn on (I.e. nothing is displayed on the screen) ?
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TeeJay3800 said:
They can still tell if it's rooted. ClockworkMod recovery is still there, and if the phone has the engineering bootloader, that will also be a dead giveaway. The thing is, I don't think any of that matters. My friend has been a VZW customer service manager for years and swears that they don't care if it's rooted. He says they rarely actually try to boot a phone that's been returned, and if they do, being rooted is a non-issue. I know TMO could have a different policy, but since it's TMO known for their customer service, not VZW, I would assume they'd be even more lenient about returns.
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i can back this story up
my phone just took a **** on me a couple days ago with cache errors due to eMMC being the bad one...i worked for 3 hours to unroot the damn thing cause adb or my phone was being a complete asshole...after i unrooted the phone i went to the local tmo store and talked to the dudes up there and they pretty much said...tmo doesnt care if they get rooted phones cause they all get sent back to HTC or Samsung to get refurbed...he said water damage or physical damage is a different story

mwilliams05 said:
How do they know if clockwork mod recovery is on the phone if it wont turn on? The phone I just sent back wouldn't power on at all. Is there another way for them to find out it's been rooted if the phone won't turn on (I.e. nothing is displayed on the screen) ?
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You didn't say it doesn't turn on. You said "it doesn't boot." Usually when people complain about a phone not booting, it still physically turns on, but ends up going to recovery or the bootloader, or hangs at the myTouch screen. If it won't turn on at all, they can't tell if it's rooted, but my guess is they can get it to turn on even if you can't. However, as the posts above explain, it doesn't really matter because they don't care whether it's rooted or not.

Rooting = voiding warranty is a myth?
So is it safe to assume when you root your phone, it doesn't actually void your warranty because the phone doesn't have physical or water damage, right?

[Q] Dead N4 + unlocked BL = screwed?

Anyone have success RMAing a phone in with an unlocked BL but no other mods? With all the red light of death stories I've read in the past couple of days I sure don't want to spend over $700 for one N4 that could do the same thing. (kind of wishing I got a Note II now!)

ThaBrickah! said:
Anyone have success RMAing a phone in with an unlocked BL but no other mods? With all the red light of death stories I've read in the past couple of days I sure don't want to spend over $700 for one N4 that could do the same thing. (kind of wishing I got a Note II now!)
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ThaBrickah! said:
Anyone have success RMAing a phone in with an unlocked BL but no other mods? With all the red light of death stories I've read in the past couple of days I sure don't want to spend over $700 for one N4 that could do the same thing. (kind of wishing I got a Note II now!)
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$700 dollars??? Jeez, someone ripped you off. Did you buy it from eBay? I bet you did.
The Nexus 4 is available on the U.S Play Store as of time.
( it would be more expensive if it was in another country, but since you're using the dollar sign...)
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$700 dollars??? Jeez, someone ripped you off. Did you buy it from eBay? I bet you did.
The Nexus 4 is available on the U.S Play Store as of time.
( it would be more expensive if it was in another country, but since you're using the dollar sign...)
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No, I'm sorry. I had edited down my original question and now it doesn't make complete sense. What I meant was that my phone died on me but I left my bootloader unlocked after reflashing with the image from the developer.google site. I never rooted it but failed to lock the bootloader after reflashing. Now I have the red light of death.
The $700 comes from them holding $300 on my credit card during the RMA process, only to find that I've voided my warranty by having an unlocked bootloader and them charging me for it. That would be over $700 for an N4 that could just do the exact same thing again.
I honestly don't want this phone anymore if all of them are going to die after only a couple weeks use.

The phone is designed to be unlockable via a simple command, so the fact that you have done that should in no way invalidate your warranty. You should have no problem with an RMA.
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There is a fix for the red light of dead... It's a hardware problem tho, let me find the youtube video.. brb
I can't find the video (i'm at work) and I have it bookmarked at home, it's on xda tho, you must take out the back part and release a part of the hardware.. It's easy and the guy who found out made several examples, in which if he pressed that chip = red light appear, leaving it without much pressure = normal

I guess take the back off , remove the battery connector , reconnect the connector after a few minutes and put it on charge
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If the phone is dead, what does it matter if the bootloader is unlocked?
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Most everyone says that an unlocked BL voids the warranty, but it doesn't specifically say that in the warranty documentation. I think I'm going to let this thing run down as much as possible then try to connect to it over the weekend, then call Google on Monday if I have no success. Wonder if I should be upfront with the unlocked BL?

you haven't voided the warranty. Honestly, these companies rarely check for those kind of things. They don't have much time to investigate so they go straight to fixing it. I sent my rooted epic 4g w/ screwed up NV items (screwed em up while flashing) in for a fix and they fixed it for me no charge. You should be fine.

i have sent a few devices back for rma from google. each one of them had an unlocked bootloader, root, custom recovery, and a custom rom/kernel. google never gave me any issues with the process, and exchanged my devices within days. if its a hardware issue, they wont have any problems with an unlocked bootloader.

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i have sent a few devices back for rma from google. each one of them had an unlocked bootloader, root, custom recovery, and a custom rom/kernel. google never gave me any issues with the process, and exchanged my devices within days. if its a hardware issue, they wont have any problems with an unlocked bootloader.
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Hope you're right. I went through the RMA process on Monday after them having me try all the various button press combinations that I've tried a million times before. The return sticker they sent me was addressed to an LG repair center in Texas instead of any Google entity - that worries me.
I got my replacement on Thursday but I'm not even going to open the shipping box until I see the pending charges from Google drop off my credit card. If I do get charged then I'll try and sell this thing and cut my losses.
I'm very disappointed in the quality of the N4. I decided to only buy Nexus devices from here on out so that I can get the OS updates, but if they break after a couple of weeks then the only other option is to abandon Android altogether. Too bad because its the Google ecosystem that I like.

ThaBrickah! said:
Hope you're right. I went through the RMA process on Monday after them having me try all the various button press combinations that I've tried a million times before. The return sticker they sent me was addressed to an LG repair center in Texas instead of any Google entity - that worries me.
I got my replacement on Thursday but I'm not even going to open the shipping box until I see the pending charges from Google drop off my credit card. If I do get charged then I'll try and sell this thing and cut my losses.
I'm very disappointed in the quality of the N4. I decided to only buy Nexus devices from here on out so that I can get the OS updates, but if they break after a couple of weeks then the only other option is to abandon Android altogether. Too bad because its the Google ecosystem that I like.
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That's pretty radical to drop Android altogether, if you just wanted quick updates, why didn't you just leave it locked and stock?

ThaBrickah! said:
Hope you're right. I went through the RMA process on Monday after them having me try all the various button press combinations that I've tried a million times before. The return sticker they sent me was addressed to an LG repair center in Texas instead of any Google entity - that worries me.
I got my replacement on Thursday but I'm not even going to open the shipping box until I see the pending charges from Google drop off my credit card. If I do get charged then I'll try and sell this thing and cut my losses.
I'm very disappointed in the quality of the N4. I decided to only buy Nexus devices from here on out so that I can get the OS updates, but if they break after a couple of weeks then the only other option is to abandon Android altogether. Too bad because its the Google ecosystem that I like.
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First of all, I don't get it. Nexus has been great to me, and the 3 others I know who bought it, love it too. Build quality is good, and stock, no issues. Even if you root it, chances of something like that happening are low. I used to have all kinds of phones, from gs2&3 to note 2 to HTC one x. None of them were as hard to mess up as the nexus.
But as far as your original question goes... I rmad galaxy nexus to Google because my earpiece became very crackly. Mine was rooted and unlocked. I kept on putting it off until I realized that the label they sent was only good for 14 days. Ended up sending it rooted and with custom ROM on it, figured might as well try. No issues at all. They didn't say a word.
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chrisMBP said:
That's pretty radical to drop Android altogether, if you just wanted quick updates, why didn't you just leave it locked and stock?
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I reflashed stock firmware onto it in hopes of improving battery life - per a thread on this forum. For me, rooting is unnecessary on the Nexi because there isn't any manufacturer or carrier bloatware to get rid of. I honestly did consider rooting it to try an underclocking app to maybe improve battery life, but it seemed too much of a PITA.
They got my old phone last Wednesday, but the charges are still pending as of today. I decided to go ahead and open the replacement and not worry about it anymore. I noticed the replacement has a higher number serial number, so now I'm off to read the thread that tries do decode it!
Thanks all.

[Q] Warranty Hell - Need Advice

So a few weeks ago, my Nexus 4 stopped being able to use Mobile Data. Wi-Fi still works. Voice/Text still worked, just no mobile data. I tried a different SIM card and placed my SIM in another phone and that phone worked fine.
Then a few days later, it just stopped booting. I bought it from a shop called MOBILE STATION in Auckland, NZ. I shipped it back to them with factory ROM and Recovery, but I totally forgot to relock the bootloader! (Even with everything wiped and loaded to stock, the phone still would not boot. I could only connect to it using adb when it was in recovery mode).
They said they cannot warranty it, even if they sent it back to me and I relocked it, because they had seen it unlocked.
As far as I can tell, Google/LG has no way to RMA their phones directly unless you buy it from the Google Play Store. You have to go through the storey you bought it from.
So now I have a $500 brick, that I'm convinced has hardware failure, and it's less than a year old. I've been using a Windows 8 mobile in the mean time, which isn't totally horrible, but is a bit frustrating compared to the functionality of my old Android.
So what do I do with this thing?

You may be out of luck without doing something shady..
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Water Damage; Need Advice

I have a bootloader unlocked (thanks, taobao) Droid Mini that I bought unsubsidized 10 months ago for $400 so I could keep my unlimited data plan. I fell into a river today (don't ask) and immediately tried to turn my phone off. The touchscreen wasn't responding, potentially because I was all wet, so there was nothing I could really do to help save it. Over the next 15 minutes, the phone mysteriously vibrated once every 5 minutes or so, and then it finally "died". I put it in a bag of rice for 8 hours and tried powering it back on, but there's no sign of life. I went to a Verizon store and they said they couldn't do anything for me. So, now I believe I have two choices:
Attempt to fix the phone.
Buy a new phone.
I would certainly prefer option #1, but I haven't seen any information on the Web that would suggest I'd have any luck. I imagine the battery is shot, and I don't see any evidence that I can buy a replacement. Any suggestions?
If #1 is out, what phone should I get? I can't imagine going back to a phone with a locked bootloader (primarily for free wireless tethering), and I really don't want a phone that's bigger than the Droid Mini (otherwise it's a no-brainer; get a big DE phone). I haven't seen any evidence of a new-ish phone that can have its bootloader unlocked that is no bigger than a Droid Mini. Any suggestions?
I hate asking for help like this, but I need to act soon and I'm hoping someone here can help me make a wise decision. Thanks in advance.

I thought these phones had a nano coating and would survive getting wet. Have you tried to get into boot loader or plug it in. Is there no life in her at all.
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If you plan on staying with Verizon for over two years then I recommend you purchase an upgrade from Best Buy online which would allow you to keep your unlimited plan through the well known loophole. I did it last month when I bricked my RAZR Maxx HD and was so pissed I ordered a new Droid Maxx from Best Buy while I bought a motherboard for the RAZR from eBay. Now I have two working unlocked phones. In fact, I'm on the RAZR right now. Just switch in between devices whenever I feel like. As for what to get, I have no idea. I went with the Droid Maxx because the wife have a Moto X and I love it. It was right when Sunshine was released so for me, it was more important to have an unlocked bootloader than get a locked 2014 Moto X. I was also looking hard at the HTC M8 and LG G3, both are great phones. The iPhone 6 is bad ass too but I must have WiFi hotspot and refuse to give Verizon an extra dime in addition to what they are already taking.

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I thought these phones had a nano coating and would survive getting wet. Have you tried to get into boot loader or plug it in. Is there no life in her at all.
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I've had it plugged in for several hours now with no sign of life. I just tried getting into the bootloader with no luck. The only sign of electrons flowing is that my green notification light comes on immediately when I plug in the phone.

jtoTTy said:
I've had it plugged in for several hours now with no sign of life. I just tried getting into the bootloader with no luck. The only sign of electrons flowing is that my green notification light comes on immediately when I plug in the phone.
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Yeah it's probably fried. I would look for a clean esn droid maxx on ebay or swappa. Preferably on 4.4 or below that way you can unlock via sunshine.

Take it apart, rinse each part in distilled water. Dry slowly.
Worked on my Mac book.

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Take it apart, rinse each part in distilled water. Dry slowly.
Worked on my Mac book.
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Can't hurt at this point.
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You probably just need a new battery. Clean the guts first of course.
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I would try to put the phone on the dash of a car that is sitting in the sun for several hours or longer and really get it dried out before I did any rinsing with more water (climate depending of course).
After I exhausted that course of action I would replace the battery.
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