Posted in wrong sub forum earlier,
Does anybody know what will be the available space in Note 3, unrooted ATT version. Also, what after rooting and removing some ATT/Sammy bloatwares..
Thanks
ananta said:
Posted in wrong sub forum earlier,
Does anybody know what will be the available space in Note 3, unrooted ATT version. Also, what after rooting and removing some ATT/Sammy bloatwares..
Thanks
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I've seen screenshots of around 25GB available on the internal sdcard on stock ROM. Rooting and removing bloatware doesn't open a single byte of space for the user to use as they see fit. Bloat is stored in system partition and all user information is in the data partition. You can remove every single app that Samsung and your carrier puts on the phone and you won't free up any space at all. The sdcard has to be partitioned so that just enough space for the ROM is in system and the rest gets allocated for data. Most developers do not want to touch partitioning (one false move and phone is hard bricked), so the space goes wasted.
I'm using Vanir ROM on my VZN SGS4 (BLAZING fast ROM, btw). Notice that nearly 2GB of free space is just sitting there waiting for more apps...
Thanks doc, I was not aware about system partition. anyway, 25 free on 32 is not bad. Asking to see if I want to buy external SD right away or wait till I get hand on.
Thanks
docnok63 said:
I've seen screenshots of around 25GB available on the internal sdcard on stock ROM. Rooting and removing bloatware doesn't open a single byte of space for the user to use as they see fit. Bloat is stored in system partition and all user information is in the data partition. You can remove every single app that Samsung and your carrier puts on the phone and you won't free up any space at all. The sdcard has to be partitioned so that just enough space for the ROM is in system and the rest gets allocated for data. Most developers do not want to touch partitioning (one false move and phone is hard bricked), so the space goes wasted.
I'm using Vanir ROM on my VZN SGS4 (BLAZING fast ROM, btw). Notice that nearly 2GB of free space is just sitting there waiting for more apps...
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On my I337 (rooted with SAFESTRAP 3.71), my STOCK ROM DATA partition is 9970MB with CACHE PARTITION AT 2046MB. I'm not sure how these were set (loaded a base 4.3 with ODIN), but when trying to load HYPERDRIVE in ROM-SLOT, TWRP shows only 12MB free! Nothing is on my device (like music, big files, etc), because I use the 32G external memory. My question is this (based on all I read), is it possible the STOCK ROM size might be reduced if I do a FACTORY/DATA/CACHE RESET and reinstall my backup from TWRP? Not sure what is consuming space and if you can't repartition it without losing the root...I'm not sure which way to proceed being I got this far. Any help regarding this would be greatly appreciated.
PS: the storage indication from within system shows: system 6.26G, used space 1.18G, cache 66MB, misc file 353MB, avail space 8.15G
beachbacon said:
On my I337 (rooted with SAFESTRAP 3.71), my STOCK ROM DATA partition is 9970MB with CACHE PARTITION AT 2046MB. I'm not sure how these were set (loaded a base 4.3 with ODIN), but when trying to load HYPERDRIVE in ROM-SLOT, TWRP shows only 12MB free! Nothing is on my device (like music, big files, etc), because I use the 32G external memory. My question is this (based on all I read), is it possible the STOCK ROM size might be reduced if I do a FACTORY/DATA/CACHE RESET and reinstall my backup from TWRP? Not sure what is consuming space and if you can't repartition it without losing the root...I'm not sure which way to proceed being I got this far. Any help regarding this would be greatly appreciated.
PS: the storage indication from within system shows: system 6.26G, used space 1.18G, cache 66MB, misc file 353MB, avail space 8.15G
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The stock slot will never be reduced as it's the basic internal storage. Safestrap doesn't partition the internal storage, it makes image files where it holds all the slots on the internal storage. The 12mb thing is a glitch and i don't remember how to fix it if possible.
No space for adding custom ROM (S4, i337)
DeadlySin9 said:
The stock slot will never be reduced as it's the basic internal storage. Safestrap doesn't partition the internal storage, it makes image files where it holds all the slots on the internal storage. The 12mb thing is a glitch and i don't remember how to fix it if possible.
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Well, you guys would know. If there is a lead or something you can think of regarding the "glitch"...it would be greatly appreciated. Just asking, is it possible the STOCK ROM size/usage might be reduced if I do a FACTORY/DATA/CACHE RESET and reinstall my backup from TWRP? If so, which ones (ie. just Cache, Data, or Dalvik) so that I stay rooted and can restore my backup? Thanks in advanced.
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Well, you guys would know. If there is a lead or something you can think of regarding the "glitch"...it would be greatly appreciated. Just asking, is it possible the STOCK ROM size/usage might be reduced if I do a FACTORY/DATA/CACHE RESET and reinstall my backup from TWRP? If so, which ones (ie. just Cache, Data, or Dalvik) so that I stay rooted and can restore my backup? Thanks in advanced.
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The size of the stock slot doesn't change, and shouldn't. Even if you restore a ROM slot to the stock slot, it will use the full space of the phone.
Only 12mb free for rom-slot1
DeadlySin9 said:
The size of the stock slot doesn't change, and shouldn't. Even if you restore a ROM slot to the stock slot, it will use the full space of the phone.
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So perhaps I'm not asking the right question??? What would limit the ability to create/activate ROM SLOT1, if what you say (the STOCK SLOT) has no effect on the space available? Could it be a ghost remnant from MF3? Seems the question has been asked with no resolution?
Ok, so for once I have a stock, unrooted phone, AT&T S5. Ever since the last firmware upgrade I've been getting a lot of storage issues, so I started looking at things and none of it makes sense to me. I use an sdcard for just about everything, but this is how the storage breaks down at the moment on the internal storage :
16gb total
11.5 gb in 'internal storage' - meaning, as I understand, 4.5gb of OS partitions
This is where things get squirrely
1.28 gb of used user files
1.5gb free
0 gb cache (i just emptied it.)
So, about 8+gb are in unnamed 'system, but not os' files. Wtf??
The way I read this it I have 3gb of usable space - shared with cache (that within days goes to 1.5gb+) on a 16gb phone. Meanwhile, I went through and moved just about anything of size to sdcard. I have a fair number of apps, but not an extreme amount and nothing that unusual.
So, is this normal? And is there a way to figure out what is stealing that 8+gb of space without root and maybe remove it??
Part of me suspects it is some non-cache temp files - esp firmware updates (there have been a few, and they are large, and things seem to get worse after each firmware push.
Thanks,
Isn't there anyway to get more space on s4. Will removing bloatware helps to obtain the system used space???
No. You won't ever be able to get all 16 GB.
Samsung ripped us off.
Athakuri700 said:
Will removing bloatware helps to obtain the system used space???
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Yes and no. Removing bloatware frees up system space, but you can not use that partition for data/internal storage. The S4 (I9505) has 2GB system partition and 2GB Cache partition. Both could've been 1GB for custom roms, but we are not able to flash custom unsigned pit files.
The I9500 got lucky with a chinese firmware which has smaller partitions and I think the i337 (not sure if it is the correct one) already has a smaller cache partition.
The only way to increase size is to get the signing tool from samsung, which we'll never get
FPSUsername said:
The only way to increase size is to get the signing tool from samsung, which we'll never get
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Odin leaked. Samsung never officially released Odin for public use. So you never know
Hi all, just seeing if anyone can tell me why the storage screen says I only have 1.5gb of free memory when DiskUsage says I should have a lot more?
I have rooted my phone and using Xpower rom.
Pics attached. Thanks everyone.
Curiously, I ran into the same problem yesterday after a session of flashing new firmware and restoring backup of my phone. It had never occurred before.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/z5-compact/help/z5c-reporting-incorrect-storage-size-t3564059
Someone in this thread said the problem went away after a few reboots. I've rebooted about 3 times now, still shows 16GB available instead of 32GB.
I'll probably do some more flashing/restoring later on to see if that fixes anything.
You're showing pictures of different mounting points.
/internal shown in second picture is it's own virtual partition
/system shown in last picture is also it's own partition and has its own free space
The free space shown in android storage will only display the free space on the virtual data/internal storage so it looks perfectly fine to me.
Also external sdcard won't add to virtual internal data storage.
pitrus- said:
You're showing pictures of different mounting points.
/internal shown in second picture is it's own virtual partition
/system shown in last picture is also it's own partition and has its own free space
The free space shown in android storage will only display the free space on the virtual data/internal storage so it looks perfectly fine to me.
Also external sdcard won't add to virtual internal data storage.
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Oh ok. Thanks for the reply. My total internal storage is meant to be 16gb. This is why I thought the two screenshots formed (most of) this 16gb.
So based on your information, where has the rest of my internal memory gone? The first DiskUsage screenshot says I have 8.24gb in total storage. Is the rest not usable because it's a private system partition?
Also I've attached another screenshot. Is it normal for the internal system to use up 7.76gb?
About 8GB for a Sony Android system ROM sounds about right, lots of bloatware and included apps. On a 16GB Sony phone, half is available for photos, music and apps/apps data.
That's why you should never buy a phone with only 16GB in 2016/2017. My Oneplus 3t with 128GB is a hair saver. ?
pitrus- said:
You're showing pictures of different mounting points.
/internal shown in second picture is it's own virtual partition
/system shown in last picture is also it's own partition and has its own free space
The free space shown in android storage will only display the free space on the virtual data/internal storage so it looks perfectly fine to me.
Also external sdcard won't add to virtual internal data storage.
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pitrus- said:
About 8GB for a Sony Android system ROM sounds about right, lots of bloatware and included apps. On a 16GB Sony phone, half is available for photos, music and apps/apps data.
That's why you should never buy a phone with only 16GB in 2016/2017. My Oneplus 3t with 128GB is a hair saver.
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Ack. Ok, I'll try remove bloatware then (although I thought Xpower did already).
Yeah I broke my beloved z1c camera and thought z5c would be a nice replacement... Really wanted a small phone.
kickling said:
Ack. Ok, I'll try remove bloatware then (although I thought Xpower did already).
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Uninstalling uninstallable bloatware will reclaim a few MB of space, but removing preloaded system bloatware won't help much in freeing up usable space. The system partition is a fixed size, generally inaccessible, and any unused space in there isn't counted towards total available free space.
BTW, I thought you were asking about the 16GB total space in the first snapshot in your original post. The Z5C has 32GB internal storage space, not 16GB. Just thought you should know.
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Uninstalling uninstallable bloatware will reclaim a few MB of space, but removing preloaded system bloatware won't help much in freeing up usable space. The system partition is a fixed size, generally inaccessible, and any unused space in there isn't counted towards total available free space.
BTW, I thought you were asking about the 16GB total space in the first snapshot in your original post. The Z5C has 32GB internal storage space, not 16GB. Just thought you should know.
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.... Say what?! I'm supposed to have 32gb? Why does my storage screen say I've only got 16gb? 16gb hidden system?
kickling said:
.... Say what?! I'm supposed to have 32gb? Why does my storage screen say I've only got 16gb? 16gb hidden system?
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Well, that's what I was trying to say in my original reply up there. I assumed you were confused about the anomaly in total internal storage, something that I recently experienced and was also reported by some other folks.
I've found a supposed solution after a bit of Googling, but I'm not sure if it's the right answer. I plan to test it out later on.
But yes, you're supposed to have 32GB total internal storage, inclusive of all partitions hidden or otherwise. After deducting the OS and stuff, there should be 21~22GB of usable free space left.
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Well, that's what I was trying to say in my original reply up there. I assumed you were confused about the anomaly in total internal storage, something that I recently experienced and was also reported by some other folks.
I've found a supposed solution after a bit of Googling, but I'm not sure if it's the right answer. I plan to test it out later on.
But yes, you're supposed to have 32GB total internal storage, inclusive of all partitions hidden or otherwise. After deducting the OS and stuff, there should be 21~22GB of usable free space left.
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Well then. I feel dumb!
Coming from the z1c I guess I've gotten used to having 16gb internal memory.
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Well, that's what I was trying to say in my original reply up there. I assumed you were confused about the anomaly in total internal storage, something that I recently experienced and was also reported by some other folks.
I've found a supposed solution after a bit of Googling, but I'm not sure if it's the right answer. I plan to test it out later on.
But yes, you're supposed to have 32GB total internal storage, inclusive of all partitions hidden or otherwise. After deducting the OS and stuff, there should be 21~22GB of usable free space left.
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..... I'm reading that you either need to reflash firmware, or if you're lucky repair the system partition in Twrp.
TBA...
kickling said:
..... I'm reading that you either need to reflash firmware, or if you're lucky repair the system partition in Twrp.
TBA...
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Yes, I can confirm a complete fresh flash of stock firmware restores the total space to 32GB. I didn't touch the system partition, so I'm not sure whether a repair of system in TWRP would do anything, and there's no means for me to test it now.
Hopefully, a restore of my nandroid backup will preserve the correct total storage space.
EDIT: Yup, restore successful and total space is 32GB. FWIW, the "solution" I mentioned earlier was a discussion for a Nexus device, and it said it's necessary to restore stock recovery first. Not sure the exact cause of problem or actual solution to fiz the problem, but anyway reflash worked for me.
mhaha said:
Yes, I can confirm a complete fresh flash of stock firmware restores the total space to 32GB. I didn't touch the system partition, so I'm not sure whether a repair of system in TWRP would do anything, and there's no means for me to test it now.
Hopefully, a restore of my nandroid backup will preserve the correct total storage space.
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Twrp system repair did not fix it.
Time to flash....
If you have twrp in boot, this problem happens.
The device ends up making the system read only, and then gives you the left over /data
Then when a function calls ro.hardware, its inaccessible.
You won't be able to fix it if you don't have TWRP in the recovery partition. When you do a restore, you'll get put in to a boot loop, if anything other than the data partition is selected
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3564059