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[Q]Android on Blackstone

So I see the Qualcomm Chipset is the same as the G1 phone, do you reckon we'll see a rom for this?

Hands down, I know nothing about rom making.
But one thing is for sure;
There will be Android on many of the HTC handsets out there, and Touch HD probebly going to one of the first phones with a fully ported version of Android.
Kaiser is the one who probebly be the first the rom makers will make a fully working Android phone, since most people who owns the phone is very skilled in rom making and they have already come a long way. You can run Android on a Kaiser today, even if the G1 hasnt been released yet.
Since Android is based on a linux kernel, it is quite easy to play around with it and do whatever you want with it. It's possibly plausible to port it to a laptop with enough work (if you would want that).
Wait and see, there will probebly be android on the Touch Pro, Diamond and the Touch HD sooner or later. Just a matter of time, and depending on how many developers who will work on it.
The developer scene just need a little kick in the but, they need to move forward. And one thing that the scene needs right now is a rawdump of the android os.

Android (or even iPhone, though I accept it is impossible) on HTC HD is my ultimate wish...
Best hardware with potential OS... also for a Gmail user...
I will go for HTC HD once this issue have been responded.

The words "iPhone" and "potential OS" are absolutely contradictory... there's probably no other mobile OS that lacks so many important features and is so limited.
Same for Android. At least, Android has the potential to improve, iPhone doesn't.

One potential issue with Android on the Blackstone is the lack of hardware input on the Blackstone. At the moment, Android doesn't contain a SIP, or a SIP framework.
Other than that, it should be possible to rebuild the Android source for the subtly different hardware.
The Android bootloader will need to be edited and flashed onto the Blackstone, and that may conflict with WM/WMs bootloader.

This is not quite truth.
HTC Vogue has actually been the first mobile to run android almost fully (see thread below for more.)
Kaiser at the moment can run only 0.8 version of the SDK and with serious impediments, like not making a reliable data connection, call only on 3g, among others.
We are still to complete a proper compilation of the latest released code. But that will come fortunately.
vogue thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=382265&page=139
kaiser thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396782&page=153
qetuR said:
Hands down, I know nothing about rom making.
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Kaiser is the one who probebly be the first the rom makers will make a fully working Android phone, since most people who owns the phone is very skilled in rom making and they have already come a long way. You can run Android on a Kaiser today, even if the G1 hasnt been released yet.
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I also see that on other android sites that now people are doing those IME and SIP so I dont worry.
well, though u may say iPhone OS is not potential and limited, but it is true that it brings lots of new concept. Even though people now in this forum tailor made a lots of iPhone like software for their WM devices like slide2play etc... this is because they found these iPhone components are more enjoyable.
Of course, I already have given up my wm devices and change to iPhone as it supports a Gmail user like me fully with better interface and fonts, I have discontinued using MS outlook after 10 years with Yahoo mail. So I do not need WM devices anymore.
However, I must admit that HTC HD is a great great hardware so I really hope this can be put android inside.
To me, and we can see that, WM is really limiting after years, not much and could not improve further.... the fonts, application (browser, video player n quality etc) and its ergonomics.
For iPhone, it does well for Gmail, either by Mail application or web (same format as web- stack)
I use free www.nuevasync.com services to push contacts and calendar events with phone and web.
I believe it works better in Android the self environment...look forward seeing it soon

dogmood said:
To me, and we can see that, WM is really limiting after years, not much and could not improve further.... the fonts, application (browser, video player n quality etc) and its ergonomics.
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I totally disagree with the no room for improvement, I would say reconsider on how much your iphone can improve.. How much can it be customized? Close to ZERO... I dont have an iPhone but i have an iPod Touch, which is exactly the same as the iphone without the phone (and the camera). I know how it works, what can be done how much customizable it is.
I also have a WM6.1 Pro device (Samsung Omnia). Really, it kills the iphone, wipes it out totally...
I would say wait and be a little patient until Windows Mobile 7 comes out, I think microsoft already "got the message" about the interface, few screenshots I looked for Windows Mobile 7 looked very promising and have the potential of becoming even better than the iPhone interface.
Rumors and buzz say WM7 will be available 1st quarter of 2009
I am pretty sure, that when MS releases WM7 the developers will go nuts cooking up a new roms for all the HTC devices and the Touch HD ofc.
Again WM7, very promising interface/usability-wise!
check out the rumors:
http://gizmodo.com/341287/windows-mobile-7-details-leaked-+-multi+touch-motion-gestures

Android on Blackstone
Does anyone know if any official or non-official working on android on this device?
I'm looking for this...

aren't we all!!
if someone gets android running well on this, this would be an absolute killer!!!
BUT is it actually possible at all?
****edit**** just saw the other thread for this....

the latest reports say that WM7 will not be out until late next year and then each phone company will have to do all their own tests etc on it so we are unlikely to see it until 2010........this is from what i have read.......

MontAlbert said:
the latest reports say that WM7 will not be out until late next year and then each phone company will have to do all their own tests etc on it so we are unlikely to see it until 2010........this is from what i have read.......
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Even so, I think WM7 looks very promising, worth the wait
A first look on Android, at least for me is not so exciting, sure it has cool features sleek look and interface but still, is too new, it can hardly pass WM with loads of apps, software and customizations out there.

http://androidcommunity.com/android-coming-to-the-htc-touch-hd-20081007/

YES BUT IT WILL BE AT LEAST 12MONTHS UNTIL wm7 IS RELEASED AND THEN ANOTHER (oops caps- sorry) several months before all the bugs are out of it..... until then what are we to do? I reckopn android will be ported to HD by some enterprising person within a few months at the latest.....

Agree...No offense but WM always under-estimate their launch dates...
I really go for android this time

any android team member aware this!!?? time to do implantation!!

There was already a thread about this... I'll merge the two.

Don't forget that the android doesn't have a soft keyboard.
And the hd doesn't have a physical keyboard!

anheuer said:
Don't forget that the android doesn't have a soft keyboard.
And the hd doesn't have a physical keyboard!
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I have written a couple of small applications already to the Android Emulator, just to test the potential, and I can just say: There is no problem implementing a soft keyboard into the default GUI. You can access and change almost everything directly in the user interface. You have access to change the behavior of any default application! Build a soft keyboard to Android, written in Java, to work on any device that does not have a keyboard, can not be a hard task.
If I have time to fiddle with Android when I arrive at home I will start the task of implement an java-application that can do this. I really hope I have the time since lack of time is my biggest problem right now.
// Johan

Android 0.8
since a few days Android 0.8 is working on the Diamond/Raphael:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=RaphaelLinux
I thought, since the hardware of the HD is not very different, it might also work on the HD.
I tried this file:
http://netripper.babyburner.dk/raphael/raph_20081105-01_android_v0.8_touchscreen_fix.exe
But my HD seems to get stuck in the Linux booting process :-(
Anybody got an idea how we can make this work?

Can you flash these with a WM6.5 Rom?

Just asking if anyone has attempted to flash the "Google" phones with a Windows mobile rom yet? Is it possible. Is anyone looking into it?

No its not possible, and GOD NO! Why the hell would you want to DESTROY a perfectly good phone with that CRAP?

I 100% agree with lbcoder,
why oh why would you want to flash it with a Windows Mobile OS ...

Oh FFS!!! WM on a sapphire....Android on a TD....WTF is wrong with you people??
You want one, buy it. you want the other, buy that. personally, after many years of WM, having been using android pretty much exclusively since i recieved a proto magic in early feb, i have no intention of going back!!
By the way....Nice to see you finally stopped trolling and started posting Jedi!

my god
The Numnuts

Chuckle chuckle

missing the point
you guys are a little hard on the OP, a site like xda is all about getting android to run on winmo device and vice versa!

Hi,
I think that it could be very hard to use winmo in an android device. Android requires some specific hardware and I'm pretty sure, trying this, could be the better way to brick the phone :/
The bootloader isn't made for this... But maybe, it's possible anyway. Like the exploit to run debian over android (without changing anything). The limits of this system will surely be that android doesn't use a real X server (If I've well understand it uses some kind of framebuffer light X).
And to rejoin other voices... WHY, GOD WHY?!?

..agree with everyone's sentiment. Also, I don't think WM supports capacitive touchscreen displays.

TheStrider said:
..agree with everyone's sentiment. Also, I don't think WM supports capacitive touchscreen displays.
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This is true, besides a heap of drivers would need to be coded aswell.
If you want a Windows Mobile phone we can trade, you have my HTC Diamond with WinMo 6.5 and I'll have your HTC Magic

lbcoder said:
No its not possible, and GOD NO! Why the hell would you want to DESTROY a perfectly good phone with that CRAP?
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totally agree!

I'm pretty sure it's possible... Nothing is impossible. After all it is a "normal" phone with a Qualcomm chipset (The same as in several HTC phones + Xperia X1). Isn't Windows Phone (?) 7 supposed to support capacitive screens?

WM has more applications, thats one big reason. Its like comparing Windows with OS X, just because you got a Mac doesnt meen you want OS X. People buy stuff because they look good and at first dont think about what software they are going to use.
You cant run Age Of Empire or Duke Nukem on Android, etc.

If all you want is CRAP, but if you want crap, you should buy crap. There is no reason to buy this device when you want something different.
And no, it is not possible because of a lack of compatible drivers, and just because there are a few similar features doesn't mean that everything lines up. Fact is that it would be a *major* undertaking to run crap on these phones. To start with, you would have to write a new bootloader, and I doubt that that is going to happen since most real developers are more interested in converting wm phones to run android than the other way around.
And fyi: these devices dont have the right set of physical buttons to run wmcrap.

While I agree it would be neat to dual boot WinMo and Android on any hardware you wanted, I think it's pretty unlikely that anyone is going to bother going to all that effort since there are already hundreds of WinMo phones out there.

Windows Mobile 6.5 on Aria?? - Resurrected December 26, 2010

Does anyone know if it is possible to install Windows Mobile 6.5 (from the Aria's brother, the HTC Mini). I want to buy an Aria--but if it can not upgrade to Andriod 2.2 with more Bluetooth calling functionality, I actually prefer Windows Mobile with Microsoft's Voice Command.
This topic died, but I want to resurrect it.
In response to those that asked if I am crazy, of course I am. But that is not why I wanted to run WM 6.5.x on the Aria. Here are my reasons:
1) The HTC HD Mini (an Aria running WM 6.5) has 900 and 2100 for HSDPA bands. I am on AT&T which uses the 850 and 1900 bands for HSDPA. So I can’t get a high speed connection on the Mini. But the Aria has the AT&T bands.
2) Android is fine, but I prefer WM (no, this is not crazy). I want WM 6.5.x because I am hooked on having the ability to effectively use voice dialing with 2,000+ contacts, having my callers name announced, having my appointments read, and having email sender and subject read (if I want), all over the phone speaker OR Bluetooth earpiece. Tried Android, and it can’t do any of that.
3) I want to easily sync my phone calendar, contacts, tasks, notes, and favorites directly with my PC and my laptop, ActiveSync does it perfectly—Android does not.
Does anyone know how to install WM 6.5.x on the Aria? Any ideas? Thanks.

It can be upgraded to Froyo and I'd expect it to be later this year.

fred57 said:
Does anyone know if it is possible to install Windows Mobile 6.5 (from the Aria's brother, the HTC Mini). I want to buy an Aria--but if it can not upgrade to Andriod 2.2 with more Bluetooth calling functionality, I actually prefer Windows Mobile with Microsoft's Voice Command.
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ugh... Just buy the HD Mini.

waltah! said:
It can be upgraded to Froyo and I'd expect it to be later this year.
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Thanks. That justifies the purchase now.

fred57 said:
Thanks. That justifies the purchase now.
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Why? What do we expect in AT&T's version of Froyo that we aren't getting now?

The main question is still being leaved unanswered: It is never possible to install WM on an Android phone.

Im suprised that people want windows mobile on android phones. The only thing i really like about windows mobile is MS Office. But honestly, there is little to no chance of ever getting windows mobile on an android device.
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Why is this. What is there to keep WM from working on the HTC Aria. I am not a programer and I shure do not understand the innerworking of cell phone operating systems. I own several HD2 phones and found it to be very simple to install cooked roms. I have spent the past two days reading through the forums on the Aria and am not any closer to understanding what is needed to be done to get there. Anyway, It would be nice to see WM working on the Aria.

The aria is just a hd mini with android you want winmo get hd mini check the specs they are pretty much identical

Um im not 100% sure on this
But i believe the bootloaders are different for windows mobile and android phones. There phones are also partitioned differently and just because the phones have identical specs doesn't mean it uses identical components and drivers. I.e. the wifi chip could be a different type, the speakers might be different, you would have to find the correct drivers, IF it were even possible to use the bootloader to boot windows mobile. Its not as simple as flashing an htc hd mini rom to an aria because the phones look the same. But if you really want windows mobile so bad, id say just buy a windows mobile phone.
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I could be wrong as I am not a cook but from what I understand;
Android seems to work well at adapting to different operating environments. The core is just more versatile than WinMo. A lot of that comes from the more open development environment of Linux and proprietary nature of Microsoft. Android is made to just work unlike Microsoft's archaic mobile platform.
I think of it like this;
Android(Linux) = Nails, They will simply drive into nearly anything and function.
Windows = Screws, Things have to line up perfectly, you usually have to pre-drill, and it takes a lot of twisting.
There seems to be enough failed WM phones out there anyway. I hate to see someone take a functional phone and cripple it. My old tilt went through maybe 15 different WM ROMs and none of them worked as smoothly as Android.

fred57 said:
Does anyone know if it is possible to install Windows Mobile 6.5 (from the Aria's brother, the HTC Mini). I want to buy an Aria--but if it can not upgrade to Andriod 2.2 with more Bluetooth calling functionality, I actually prefer Windows Mobile with Microsoft's Voice Command.
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Juss buy a mini [email protected] up the Aria with the outdated stupidity off windows mobile that's like going from a bently(android) to a Buick(WinMo)... DON'T DO IT!!!!
Blackbery Curve 8330>Blackberry Pearl Flip>HTC FUZE>HTC Tilt 2>HTC Aria

qualnd said:
that's like going from a bently(android) to a Buick(WinMo)
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A Buick? You're giving WinMo too much credit.

Shovelhead84 said:
I could be wrong as I am not a cook but from what I understand;
Android seems to work well at adapting to different operating environments. The core is just more versatile than WinMo. A lot of that comes from the more open development environment of Linux and proprietary nature of Microsoft. Android is made to just work unlike Microsoft's archaic mobile platform.
I think of it like this;
Android(Linux) = Nails, They will simply drive into nearly anything and function.
Windows = Screws, Things have to line up perfectly, you usually have to pre-drill, and it takes a lot of twisting.
There seems to be enough failed WM phones out there anyway. I hate to see someone take a functional phone and cripple it. My old tilt went through maybe 15 different WM ROMs and none of them worked as smoothly as Android.
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That's an awesome analogy, I'm gonna have to use it sometime.
I know the HD2 guys are porting Android over to their WM phones. This is the first time I've heard of anyone wanting to go the other way though.

It seems most of the discussion is Android vs. WM, but I think some people just want to know if it's possible to put WM on an Android device.
In all likelihood it probably is though with limited functionality. However there aren't many, if any, devs that are interested in trying to get it to work. For the most part Android has taken over the crown for people who want to tinker with their phone. Even while I had a WM phone it was obvious most of the devs were moving to Android phones, or just porting Android to the WM devices. If you really want WM the easiest way is probably to just get a WM phone, or you'll probably have to do your own work in trying to port.

uberamd said:
A Buick? You're giving WinMo too much credit.
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LOL well i have to i had WinMo at 1 point LMAO

fred57 said:
Does anyone know if it is possible to install Windows Mobile 6.5 (from the Aria's brother, the HTC Mini). I want to buy an Aria--but if it can not upgrade to Andriod 2.2 with more Bluetooth calling functionality, I actually prefer Windows Mobile with Microsoft's Voice Command.
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Having not used MS Voice Command I'm not sure exactly what features you are looking for, but Attn1's CM6 Liberty ROM for the Aria has functioning voice dialing over bluetooth.

hd mini and aria
simple problem solver...i have both phones..i enjoy usuing them both but i am starting to sway to the aria.. once i get the att stuff off the phone ill like it even better. just get both then decide.

...perhaps off topic, but what about iOS on an Android phone?

Rudreax said:
...perhaps off topic, but what about iOS on an Android phone?
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Never... apple has unique hardware and writes their OS for that hardware... think of it like their comps before the intel switch
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Sick of the Winmo 7 discussion

Why o why?
The specs are good, so why can't we all get offically the wm7 upgrade?
I know there will be custom roms but no offence to the developpers, they are all ****ty. Every custom rom I had I need to hard reset my device every two weeks so that won't be a option for me anymore.
MICROSOFT PLEASE DON'T BE STUPID!!!!
Why does windows mobile 7 not on the HD2?
Greetz,
Fabian1985

Fabian1985 said:
Why o why?
The specs are good, so why can't we all get offically the wm7 upgrade?
I know there will be custom roms but no offence to the developpers, they are all ****ty. Every custom rom I had I need to hard reset my device every two weeks so that won't be a option for me anymore.
MICROSOFT PLEASE DON'T BE STUPID!!!!
Why does windows mobile 7 not on the HD2?
Greetz,
Fabian1985
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Specs are good, but hardware requirements are not met by the HD2, now what does that mean, well it means that HTC did not look ahead, and used the wrong button configuration on the phone, so it is outside the spec of what MS says is required for WP7.
So yes we are Officially screwed out of WP7 because of the buttons on our phones .....
I doubt MS is going to change their requirements for the very few existing WinMo phones that have the CPU and RAM to handle WP7.

The hard resetting you have to do every couple weeks may have more to do with WinMo 6.5.x than the fact that it's a custom ROM. I'm sure we'll get near-stock WP7 ROMs that will function much better than what we currently have. Don't lament before we even have anything on that front.

I don't think wp7 will even be a viable option for most of us anyways (at least the initial release). Very locked down, sounds a lot like the first iphone. I'm hoping they update quickly and open it up (at least every 2-3 months), but I wouldn't hold my breath.
That is why I decided to take the plunge with the hd2. Figured it would be a couple of years before I was ready to jump on wp7. (though that 1.5ghz snapdragon htc sounds interesting and apparently is coming to t-mobile...)

chuck232 said:
The hard resetting you have to do every couple weeks may have more to do with WinMo 6.5.x than the fact that it's a custom ROM. I'm sure we'll get near-stock WP7 ROMs that will function much better than what we currently have. Don't lament before we even have anything on that front.
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Ow is it? Cuz now I still work with my HTC Raph100 with those custom roms I talked about. I'm hoping to unbox my Leo begin this week.
So are the roms better now for the Leo?
Greetz,
Fabian1985

When I go to the offical windows mobile 7 home page..the first thing I see is the HTC Leo!!!
p.s. Sorry for the image size :$
Greetz,
Fabian1985

im still trying to work out why anyone would WANT wp7 on their hd2. itd be like putting Windows 1.0 on an Alienware pc. im sure there will be custom roms if you wanna have a glorified Instinct, but just cause something is new doesnt mean its better. why would you want to cripple this powerhouse phone with that dumbed-down software? doyou actually WANT to be able to do less with it???

im still trying to work out why anyone would WANT wp7 on their hd2. itd be like putting Windows 1.0 on an Alienware pc. im sure there will be custom roms if you wanna have a glorified Instinct, but just cause something is new doesnt mean its better. why would you want to cripple this powerhouse phone with that dumbed-down software? doyou actually WANT to be able to do less with it???

The reason I want to have It Is this:
I read that Windows Mobile 6.5 is based on all the old previous versions, based on CE blabla (I don't know It exactly anymore) so there Is alot of old junk that is not needed anymore.
The new Winmo 7 is totally new so therefore It should be allot faster then all the previous versions.
Please tell me If I'm wrong..
Greetz,
Fabian1985

For me, tinkering is fun, but that is not the main function of my work device. I want it to work, and work well. If that means giving up a couple features, features which I can live without, then I'll play ball. WP7 has been built from the ground up with a very different goal than Windows Mobile, which had the original goal of bringing the PC to a PDA format. I don't need that, and the functionality that is associated with that goal gets in the way of usability for my purposes. If your use cases do not match up with what WP7 is capable of, so be it, but know that the vast majority of customers aren't tinkerers and tweakers.

Fabian1985 said:
The reason I want to have It Is this:
I read that Windows Mobile 6.5 is based on all the old previous versions, based on CE blabla (I don't know It exactly anymore) so there Is alot of old junk that is not needed anymore.
The new Winmo 7 is totally new so therefore It should be allot faster then all the previous versions.
Please tell me If I'm wrong..
Greetz,
Fabian1985
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"alot of old junk" in WM 6.5? Oh yes - like copy & paste, and proper multitasking? If you think that's junk, you'll love WP7.
iPhone OS v1 was rubbish. v4 finally has most of what you actually need and what WM has had for years. Same with Android - the first versions were severly lacking in many areas. Only now is it coming into it's own at v2.2.
Anyone should be able to see that since it's a completely new OS, WP7 will be equally as rubbish as the iPhone and Android offerings were at initial release.

yes, BUT WM still misses a lot of stuff such as gfx libs for better programs...
like ballmer says... they need to lure Developers Developers Developers somehow...
iPhone is #1 because of apps... WM is last only because of apps... and WM7 is taking sooo long because MS's management SUCKS... they seriously need to hire someone better to get thier mobile dept straightened... look at kin... what it could have been if only those devs were still part of wp7...

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yes, BUT WM still misses a lot of stuff such as gfx libs for better programs...
like ballmer says... they need to lure Developers Developers Developers somehow...
iPhone is #1 because of apps... WM is last only because of apps... and WM7 is taking sooo long because MS's management SUCKS... they seriously need to hire someone better to get thier mobile dept straightened... look at kin... what it could have been if only those devs were still part of wp7...
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They put in Terry Myerson a bit more than a year ago, but thanks anyways for the un-researched comment. He's been spearheading the reset efforts in WP7. Some like him, some don't. I'll reserve and judgment until WP7 is launched and tested in the market.

This is a stupid and pointless thread.

Fabian1985 said:
Why o why?
The specs are good, so why can't we all get offically the wm7 upgrade?
I know there will be custom roms but no offence to the developpers, they are all ****ty. Every custom rom I had I need to hard reset my device every two weeks so that won't be a option for me anymore.
MICROSOFT PLEASE DON'T BE STUPID!!!!
Why does windows mobile 7 not on the HD2?
Greetz,
Fabian1985
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Be patient and wait for WM Phone 7 to come out! Once it's out you / HD2 will get the chance.

Kalavere said:
This is a stupid and pointless thread.
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Well, yes it is now, did not start out that way, but a discussion is one thing ...
But when people have convinced themselves of something , and just want to argue the point it is no longer a discussion ...
1.) HD2 Specs are great, but HTC did not adhere to What MS has released as specs for WP7, so HTC screwed us out of an Official WP7.
2.) MS specs for WP7 were released(but not to the public) before the HD2 was , so MS is not inclined or obligated to change their specs to fit the HD2
3.) We actually have 1 too many buttons on the HD2 but None of them are the almighty "Search" button, so again the HD2 is outside the spec so no official WP7.

watcher64 said:
Well, yes it is now, did not start out that way, but a discussion is one thing ...
But when people have convinced themselves of something , and just want to argue the point it is no longer a discussion ...
1.) HD2 Specs are great, but HTC did not adhere to What MS has released as specs for WP7, so HTC screwed us out of an Official WP7.
2.) MS specs for WP7 were released(but not to the public) before the HD2 was , so MS is not inclined or obligated to change their specs to fit the HD2
3.) We actually have 1 too many buttons on the HD2 but None of them are the almighty "Search" button, so again the HD2 is outside the spec so no official WP7.
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Actually, the Euro version of the HD2 was released before the announcement of WP7. Still, I'm not sure if HTC was made aware of the requirements by the time they were already far along in the design of the HD2.

chuck232 said:
Actually, the Euro version of the HD2 was released before the announcement of WP7. Still, I'm not sure if HTC was made aware of the requirements by the time they were already far along in the design of the HD2.
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I had heard about the 3 button some time early last year, but you are right that may have been after the design and during the production phase of the HD2.
MS did not make an Official release of the specs till I think January of this year, I think that is when it was.
Either way , you can blame HTC, you can blame MS, but, it is true for any piece of technology, CPU's that keep changing sockets, Video Cards that keep changing standards, DVD/Blu-Ray standards the list goes, on ...
I mean providers are not going to change what they decide to to with regards to their specs and requirements just because people scream, I mean why can't I run Iphone OS on my HD2(not that I want to ), because it is not compatible, even though the HD2 out powers most Iphones, and just because Apple says NO.
I suggest, instead of getting all up in arms here, and bashing people for their views you contact MS and HTC and complain to them, not that it will get you anywhere, just as posting here is just gonna start a big discussion, but not fix it anyway.

chuck232 said:
They put in Terry Myerson a bit more than a year ago, but thanks anyways for the un-researched comment. He's been spearheading the reset efforts in WP7. Some like him, some don't. I'll reserve and judgment until WP7 is launched and tested in the market.
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Yes, sorry I meant more like management a while ago... 1 year ago is still much after iPhone released... they should have done something like WP7 from the beginning and if management wasn't an issue, I doubt we would see two different teams for mobile in the first place: Kin and WP7... I do agree however, management is seeming much better now...
EDIT: also, for hardware keys, all we're missing is the search button... since wp7 will have windows button go to the tiles screen which is also the home, we can map the home screen to search (Kind of implying home page aka bing/search)? If they wanted MS could have easily added official support, but i am sure HTC influenced them to do that... since that would mean HD3 sales for them... ahh if only i were rich :-/...

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EDIT: also, for hardware keys, all we're missing is the search button... since wp7 will have windows button go to the tiles screen which is also the home, we can map the home screen to search (Kind of implying home page aka bing/search)? If they wanted MS could have easily added official support, but i am sure HTC influenced them to do that... since that would mean HD3 sales for them... ahh if only i were rich :-/...
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True, and I am sure some of the smart guys here will do just that for our custom WP7 ...

[Q] WM6.5 on HD7

just an idea - if there is no "backward compability" for WM6,5 applications on WP7, then - from technical point of view - if anyone can install/move/copy the whole WM6,5 from HTC HD/HD2 to HTC HD7 or any of WP7 phones? I mean, are there any "hardwarish objections" for such operation?

The incompatibility issues alone and work required to do this would be immense
Also posted in wrong forum. All queries should be directed to General Forum which I've now moved it to

This is kinda funny, but I would love to see older OS(WM 6.1/6.5) on newer phones.

Why do we have to move to Windows Phone OS? We’re going from "pocket PC's" to "Smart Phones". That is a step backwards. I’ve got my HTC diamond 2 running perfect just want a faster phone, with HD Video cam. When I had a Samsung Omnia, I fixed all its problems by installing a moded HTC WM6.5 rom, I want a new HTC now, but hate WP7! I got into Xda's cos you can make um run how you want, WP7 is like why I hate the IPhone. I would love to get the HTC 7 Pro if I can just keep the OS I’m using on my HTC Diamond 2, its perfect now. I can’t be the only one that feels, windows phone is just windows mobile Basic.
Pleases give us our full OS back! or how's this. A choice of OS
Windows Phone X.X User
and
Windows Mobile X.X Pro
Does that make it less confusing? I really do want to know of a good 6.5 rom for the HD7 or 7 Pro are available. Thank you
P.s. what are non-phone PDA's going to run on? Is wm6.5 the last OS ever?

Windows phone 7 is a sh*t transition from windows mobile to full fledged operating system like Windows 7. WP7 sucks big time, no productivity for me.

It is all true... I'm totaly disapointed with my HT7 because of the WP7..
I need WM6.5 or at last Android on it...
Some one help us!!!

There are no devs to do this. They lack time, knowledge, drivers, blah blah.
We give them money, they won't do a sh**
Simply said, there is no community like it was few years ago. Shame.

that might be true, but nobody forced you to buy a device with an os, that you don't like, if you simply wanted to give different OSs a try, your best choice would have been a HD2, which handles wm6.5, 6.5.x, android, wp7, ubuntu, windows 95, 98 and meego. that way, if you are unsatisfied with either OS, you still have plenty of others to give a try.

I'm not a programmer, so I’m sorry if this is impossible for something I’ve not see. But couldn't someone make a rom file that you copy directly onto the inbuilt SD micro card. Of course this will mean hard resetting the phone it will install from the inbuilt Rom copy of WP7. But you just pop the card in a pc, maybe partition it 512MB program storage. And the other 14.5MB storage card (after lost formatting space.) I though the HD2 and HD7 are almost the same Xda device. Please PDA WinMobo OS's cant die! It does the most
All I want is Smartphone’s that work how I want, not how I’m told to use um.
Losing this is stepping back in time.
Thanks for reading Stu Jones

Enabling WM6.5 on HD7
Hi Guys,
I have been a PDA user and in particular a a windows mobile user for 7-8 years now. I am a total fan of modified ROMs and hats off to all those developers who have been developing modified ROMs on many various devices for many years now, I extend my appreciation and gratitude now. I have also been an xda-developers member for many years now, and have read many many posts and forum topics, so please disregard the post count as I didn't need to post in many cases.
I recently graduated; though I am a communications engineering graduate I did do embedded systems in my last year. Having said that, I am now in a position to start playing around with such devices and possibly do some development work.
I, like the people on this thread have mentioned, do not like WP7, the the fact that you cannot directly sync with outlook, and even worse, HD7 Pro has hardware keyboard that is completely useless and WP7 doesn't even go in to landscape mode unless typing up messages.
On the other hand, even though I appreciate Android, I do not like it either for various reasons I'd rather not delve in to. I am a fan of hardware keyboards, therefore I also had in my mind the possibility of porting WM6.5 to Desire Z though I have not even researched the feasibility of it yet.
Therefore, I announce to my fellow xda-developers.com users and readers of my intentions to begin work on porting WM6.5 to HD7. Though I do not have any experience or knowledge on the venture. The start will be a slow process and request the patience of everyone.
Having said that I would need a mentor when I run in to problems and when I need help. I would appreciate it if one of the more experienced developers here could express their willingness to help when needed I would be really grateful.
Having said that, those with experience, is there a good link you could give me where I could start reading up on what I need to learn about the device and the OS in question?
I presume I would need to know the specific system components of the HD7 and HD2, what components are identical, similar and different? I believe that the architecture is similar if not identical? Thanks.
Regards

Hi all, im new here to start join this site, because i just bought HTC HD2 started to use wm6.5, this site lot of information help me to choose the collect phone model before i buy it, before i was thinking of which OS is the best & use full for me, WM6.5? WP7? or Android? i need to choose the OS can support GMXT GPS its important for me travel lot, both of them WP7 & Android cant make it, so i choose HD2, i was bought 3 days ago in Vietnam HCMC, try to find best price in town, almost every sold out! get from website information for used HD2, almost sold out too, until 7th shop i get it, used but look new but is T mobile HD2, USD370 deal..

WP7 is a god send of an OS, I still use my WM oh my HD and ill come to that in a sec, but WP7 is actually very good, you do need to work with it for a while, but once you get used to it its amazing.
Now, WM 6.x is a beast of an OS, there is nothing out there quite like it, I believe in the next installment of MAGLDR they are looking to allow WM to be installed via magldr, this may open the way to allow SD/RAM builds of WM to run on a HD2 meaning, WP7, WM6.5 and android could all potentially be bootable at the same time
The differences between the HD2 and the HD7 are notable, its not a straight copy, unfortunately there is a big lack of intrest in WM so i would keep your eyes on android coming to the HD7, that will use something similar to MAGLDR and if thats the case you may find WM is installable as well.
DOnt hold your breath tho, we've been waiting for a new MAGLDR version for several months now and as i said, there are differences so there may well be serious driver related issues, which ironically is the stumbling block of WM! Had HTC and QC not shafted us with no driver support for the WM6.5 OS then it would actually be a modern day OS contender.

guys, that this up in the HD2 sectoin, this is for the Touch HD - the orginal

Simon_WM said:
guys, that this up in the HD2 sectoin, this is for the Touch HD - the orginal
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I know just being polite, someone asks, why not answer, the thread is after all already here

I have changed from a Windows Phone hater, to a Lover. Still think Win Mobile was the most advanced mobile OS ever, but WP is fast getting it all back :good:

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I now really have to say, I take back what I said. I originally posted on here saying I hated WP7 and wanted to flash to WM6.5. but since, just b4 Mango. I changed my mind. And have loved being along for the ride towards the superphones WP8. Miss MyMobiler and would be nice if you could run WM6.5 in a virtual environment on an unlocked device. Then I could still play with what I suppose are now legacy apps or .cab's as we used to know um. phone and sms wouldn't need to be in the V-OS rom as WM wasn't originally made for it just drop um. And V-drives would just appear as the app size as far as wp7 thinks just a dream/idea. I know that wouldn't be easy. but if anyone fancied the challenge advantage is it would work on all WP7> handsets
Windows Phone 7.5 is good now. If you tried it at the beginning and was thinking it was the windows iPhone. Thank god it's not!! It is diff to WM6.x but worth getting used to
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I would still like to see wm6.5 ported over along with wp8 since technically we have an sd card and we can have nfc sim cards.

There is a windows mobile emulator to wp7
http://www.xda-developers.com/windows-mobile/windows-mobile-running-on-windows-phone-7/
and here is one that maybe can be ported: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411154

I now really have to say, I take back what I said. I originally posted on here saying I hated WP7 and wanted to flash to WM6.5. but since, just b4 Mango. I changed my mind. And have loved being along for the ride towards the superphones WP8. Miss MyMobiler and would be nice if you could run WM6.5 in a virtual environment on an unlocked device. Then I could still play with what I suppose are now legacy apps or .cab's as we used to know um. phone and sms wouldn't need to be in the V-OS rom as WM wasn't originally made for it just drop um. And V-drives would just appear as the app size as far as wp7, Post above looks like what I mean. but can't be sure if true, or someone has made MyMobiler just remote desktop a WM6 device to WP7. will keep an eye out for the .Xap
Windows Phone 7.5 is good now. If you tried it at the beginning and was thinking it was the windows iPhone. Thank god it's not!! It is diff to WM6.x but worth getting used to
PS Please help me spared my Apple Hate Page on Facebook http://www.Facebook.com/AppleBull**** (Replace **** with "S H I T" Thank You)
dazza9075 said:
WP7 is a god send of an OS, I still use my WM oh my HD and ill come to that in a sec, but WP7 is actually very good, you do need to work with it for a while, but once you get used to it its amazing.
Now, WM 6.x is a beast of an OS, there is nothing out there quite like it, I believe in the next installment of MAGLDR they are looking to allow WM to be installed via magldr, this may open the way to allow SD/RAM builds of WM to run on a HD2 meaning, WP7, WM6.5 and android could all potentially be bootable at the same time
The differences between the HD2 and the HD7 are notable, its not a straight copy, unfortunately there is a big lack of intrest in WM so i would keep your eyes on android coming to the HD7, that will use something similar to MAGLDR and if thats the case you may find WM is installable as well.
DOnt hold your breath tho, we've been waiting for a new MAGLDR version for several months now and as i said, there are differences so there may well be serious driver related issues, which ironically is the stumbling block of WM! Had HTC and QC not shafted us with no driver support for the WM6.5 OS then it would actually be a modern day OS contender.
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