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Why one should never unlock the Motorola Razr HD bootloader (xt925) !

The pro & cons of unlocking the bootloader:
Pro: Install customs ROMS with custom kernels (basically that's it)
Cons: - Loosing warranty from Motorola & your carrier
- No more firmware upgrades (your IMEI is dropped out of Motorola databank)
- Little verity of quality custom ROMs or development (close to none) exist for the Razr HD
- Future upgrade to JB & KLP will never happened (this phone is listed as a potential candidate for KLP update)
- Keeping your xt925 beyond your 1 year warranty will still guaranty, a steady upgrades of firmware
- Can root a phone with bootloader locked (without loosing warranty - root is reversible)
- Legally (Motorola binding Bootloader unlock contract), you can't sell a BL unlock Motorola Razr HD phone !
If someone can add some Pro's to an unlock bootloader please do it..

Are you sure about the firmware upgrades? I read somewhere that's not the case.

I wish I had known all this before I unlocked my phone.

Are you sure about the firmware upgrades? I read somewhere that's not the case.
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I spoke to Motorola & my carrier services, also read the warning details before the unlock process begins.
I wish I had known all this before I unlocked my phone
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Same here..(I learned all that after the fact)

I'd add this to Pro:
If you're stuck on Rogers 49003 ICS because you flashed the ROM trying to get root, your best option to get anything above 4.0.4 is to unlock bootloader?

Perhaps a CWM install will be possible for those with unlocked bootloaders when updates come.
It seems that in one form or another an unlocked bootloader means being able to push all the new files in doesn't it? Is there any limitation on this phone, for example flashing a new modem or kernel?

Cons one by one:
itzik_man said:
- Loosing warranty from Motorola & your carrier
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True, but obvious.
itzik_man said:
- No more firmware upgrades (your IMEI is dropped out of Motorola databank)
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Nope. Even if you were not to receive OTA, which by the way is not true as I've observed on my Photon Q, you can still freely flash the new firmwares yourself ^^
itzik_man said:
- Little verity of quality custom ROMs or development (close to none) exist for the Razr HD
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Depends on ones point of view. Usually a CM port means you get newer Android sooner.
itzik_man said:
- Future upgrade to JB & KLP will never happened (this phone is listed as a potential candidate for KLP update)
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Why it wouldn't? Unlocking BLs has no impact on upgrade schedule.
itzik_man said:
- Keeping your xt925 beyond your 1 year warranty will still guaranty, a steady upgrades of firmware
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No. That's solely on Moto / Google decision. They don't have to update it at all. (See Droid 3, Milestone 3, Motorola XT720 etc.)
itzik_man said:
- Can root a phone with bootloader locked (without loosing warranty - root is reversible)
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Yes, although you have to be careful, because there are scirpts checking if you're rooted.
itzik_man said:
- Legally (Motorola binding Bootloader unlock contract), you can't sell a BL unlock Motorola Razr HD phone !
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You can sue Moto for breaking laws. They can't forbid you doing that (don't know honestly how is that in US / Canada, but I doubt that seeing how it works with computer games).
So please, while for normal user not willing to flash custom ROMs it's true that they should not unlock the bootloader, don't spill nonsenses around that. It's just that when you unlock your bootloader, you're on your own when playing with the firmware. But when you have stock firmware back on it, nothing prevents you from getting the OTA.

don't spill nonsenses around that. It's just that when you unlock your bootloader, you're on your own when playing with the firmware. But when you have stock firmware back on it, nothing prevents you from getting the OTA.
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Possible 90% of your response represent just false theories..
OTA is goneforever once you unlock your bootloader ! If & when you be able manually to install JB, still your IMEI (not registered with Motorola) wont OTA.
You can sue nobody ! it's a contractual agreement you "sign" when you agree to unlock BL !
And if you can't OTA, No future auto upgrades.
So, before you use a statement "don't spill nonsense" make sure you are talking sense...

At least on my O2 Germany xt925 I got the update OTA from ICS to JB after unlocking. Had to return to the stock bootloader because the OTA relies on it after rebooting though.

itzik_man said:
Possible 90% of your response represent just false theories..
OTA is goneforever once you unlock your bootloader ! If & when you be able manually to install JB, still your IMEI (not registered with Motorola) wont OTA.
You can sue nobody ! it's a contractual agreement you "sign" when you agree to unlock BL !
And if you can't OTA, No future auto upgrades.
So, before you use a statement "don't spill nonsense" make sure you are talking sense...
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Once again.
A) The reason why the page says "no updates" is beacuse OTA updates only work when you're on stock firmware, which is unlikely when you have the bootloader unlocked. That's all.
B) There are things that such "agreement" cannot contain. Being unable to sell the phone is one of them in most countries.

I disagree from the op.
Every change to device firmware compromises the warranty, not just bootloader, read the agreements ... If you exploit a bug to have root access, you will have to fool everyone who will have contact with your phone so they don't see what you have done. Even if you try to "reverse" the root, you(or the program you use) will always leave a trace.

We should be promoting "unlock the world"
This is not to imply everything should be free, however if I own something it should be mine in every regard, that includes breaking it.
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@skrilax thanks for you work on the a500.
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I have xt925, first thing I did was unlock boot loader. Then I updated ota to Telstra JB. OP is misleading people.

Once again.
A) The reason why the page says "no updates" is beacuse OTA updates only work when you're on stock firmware, which is unlikely when you have the bootloader unlocked. That's all.
B) There are things that such "agreement" cannot contain. Being unable to sell the phone is one of them in most countries.
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To end my part in this discussion: The limitations, restrictions & disadvantages of unlocking the bootloader are much greater then any benefit or gain under the current availability of development !

Darbness said:
I have xt925, first thing I did was unlock boot loader. Then I updated ota to Telstra JB. OP is misleading people.
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Have you tried out lte tethering? It doesn't work on Rogers.

To epinter -
I disagree from the op.
Every change to device firmware compromises the warranty, not just bootloader, read the agreements ... If you exploit a bug to have root access, you will have to fool everyone who will have contact with your phone so they don't see what you have done. Even if you try to "reverse" the root, you(or the program you use) will always leave a trace.http://www.linuxmobile
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I did not notice your response at first, now to the point -
Without any disrespect to the work, time & effort invested, the main point is being ignored by the developers: All comments I got on this OP didn't touched the number one reason of my suggestion to not unlock the bootloader: There in not really enough of a variety of development options today to justification the bootloader unlocked of the xt925.

Skrilax_CZ said:
Cons one by one:
Yes, although you have to be careful, because there are scirpts checking if you're rooted.
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Can someone elaborate on this point; I read in another thread that when you remove all rooted apps and data, clear out the files left in /system, that there is still info stored stated if the device has ever been rooted, and that this can be cleared using an app on a PC (don't remember which) however when I looked at the app it was specific to the XT926 and thus I wouldn't be able to use it.
After a thorough clean of every rooted app and everything left behind by rooted apps, is there a known way (or assumed to be working way) on XT925 to erase the record of the root.
Also, assuming I was to get my phone back to that state and remove proof of root, what specifically do I need to do in order to be careful as stated... or is epinter correct in saying that there is always a trace left behind, and if so, is this a blatant trace or something that hasn't been of much concern for Motorola in the past when servicing phones?
Tombs1234 said:
At least on my O2 Germany xt925 I got the update OTA from ICS to JB after unlocking. Had to return to the stock bootloader because the OTA relies on it after rebooting though.
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How would I return to a stock bootloader if I were to unlock mine and an OTA didn't work? How did you do it?

itzik_man said:
The limitations, restrictions & disadvantages of unlocking the bootloader are much greater then any benefit or gain under the current availability of development !
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It's your decision whether to unlock the bootloader or not. I'm just saying (for other users) that many of the cons you wrote were absolutely incorrect.
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Can someone elaborate on this point; I read in another thread that when you remove all rooted apps and data, clear out the files left in /system, that there is still info stored stated if the device has ever been rooted, and that this can be cleared using an app on a PC (don't remember which) however when I looked at the app it was specific to the XT926 and thus I wouldn't be able to use it.
After a thorough clean of every rooted app and everything left behind by rooted apps, is there a known way (or assumed to be working way) on XT925 to erase the record of the root.
Also, assuming I was to get my phone back to that state and remove proof of root, what specifically do I need to do in order to be careful as stated... or is epinter correct in saying that there is always a trace left behind, and if so, is this a blatant trace or something that hasn't been of much concern for Motorola in the past when servicing phones?
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I believe there is something stored in the pds partition. Or at least it is that way on Droid RAZR XT912 and you had to fix it to remove the remaining traces. Flashing FXZ is also a way how to get a clean stock firmware, but pds partition is not affected that way.
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How would I return to a stock bootloader if I were to unlock mine and an OTA didn't work? How did you do it?
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I think he meant "stock firmware" instead of "stock bootloader"

So if that were the case on this phone, I wonder if doing a dd backup of the pds partition before rooting at ICS, for restoring after downgrade, would be the way to go. Assuming it restores properly, it would be a good thing to add to the sticky thread about rooting. I did a dd of all my partitions except for /data last night, but I'm already rooted.
hmm... I'm wondering if there's something inaccessable in /system or even the sdcard since they get mounted with fuse. My only other Android phone was the Galaxy S II which was pretty straightforward and dead simple to root and unroot. I was surprised to see the fuse module being used to mount anything when I got this one.

The original topic is here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1857558
I don't know if there was a proper fix developed (haven't checked) on the RAZR.

[Q] It's SIM unlocked? It can be bootloader unlocked?

Hi!
Thanks for be reading, I want to buy a Razr M for a while now, I had make some questions before, but know I just want to be sure about somethings before I buy them, they are going to be 2.
1º, I would like to know if the phone it's really unlocked for overseas uses, I don't live in USA but I fall for this phone the moment I see it.
2º. I can't live without CM, but in the official suport page states that need unlock bootloader and to be unlocked it need to be on stock prior to 9.20.1. Some days ago I googled it and found nothing, but know it's just about being sure.
3º, Would you still recomended this phone? -- I'm going for a use one, cause I just have ~$150. The pros I see for this phone are the Super AMOLED screen, the dual core procesor and the 1Gb of RAM. I think it's a perfect math. I don't really see any other options with better specs, but, againg, just to be sure.
Thanks you!

Yes, the phone is global capable. No, you can't unlock the BL if is has an update from 9.20.1 or after. You can root that system version, but if you get a phone with newest update you won't be able to root it. For the price that these phone are going for now, it would probably be worth the money. Just be aware that you might not be able to modify it.

RikRong said:
Yes, the phone is global capable. No, you can't unlock the BL if is has an update from 9.20.1 or after. You can root that system version, but if you get a phone with newest update you won't be able to root it. For the price that these phone are going for now, it would probably be worth the money. Just be aware that you might not be able to modify it.
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How can I ask? It's that JB update or something?

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How can I ask? It's that JB update or something?
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Here is a summary
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2547804
Of dates.

Root

I have a Droid Maxx, and Razr Maxx HD and perhaps some beer cash for the answer to root...
I was thinking flashing twrp, then let it root, or am i way off or require an unlocked bootloader? I tried sunshine, but no go as it requires root.
So if i understand, you can get root without an unlocked bootloader, or is an unlocked bootloader a prerequisite of root? I am thinking not, but i am a Windows/SharePoint guy and pretty dumb to linux...

wrecklesswun said:
I have a Droid Maxx, and Razr Maxx HD and perhaps some beer cash for the answer to root...
I was thinking flashing twrp, then let it root, or am i way off or require an unlocked bootloader? I tried sunshine, but no go as it requires root.
So if i understand, you can get root without an unlocked bootloader, or is an unlocked bootloader a prerequisite of root? I am thinking not, but i am a Windows/SharePoint guy and pretty dumb to linux...
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You need an unlocked bootloader to flash TWRP (which flashes SuperSU). There is no known root method available yet because the phone has only been out for about 8 hours.
The Sunshine team has apparently said they will not be supporting Motorola devices for 4.4.4 in their 3.0 release, only HTC, so unlikely it will work there.

Has anyone tried Towelroot?

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Has anyone tried Towelroot?
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"this phone is not currently supported"

fury683 said:
(...)The Sunshine team has apparently said they will not be supporting Motorola devices for 4.4.4 in their 3.0 release, only HTC, so unlikely it will work there.
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I think they said the opposite: "Verizon users on 4.4.4 you will have to wait for the 3.0 release."

timeToy said:
I think they said the opposite: "Verizon users on 4.4.4 you will have to wait for the 3.0 release."
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Yes, that is in the website. Someone posted this in another thread here. There's no link to the OP so I'm not sure beyond what it says.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=56389152&postcount=83

fury683 said:
Yes, that is in the website. Someone posted this in another thread here. There's no link to the OP so I'm not sure beyond what it says.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=56389152&postcount=83
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Yeah, I found it in the meantime...
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Originally Posted by jcase
3.0 is ONLY addressing HTC devices at this time, we have no plans, at this time, to include Motorola for technical reasons
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I think they said the opposite: "Verizon users on 4.4.4 you will have to wait for the 3.0 release."
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Edit: here's the post from today. No dice.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=56383217&postcount=1445

Yeah, I didn't think I'd need root but the dpi on this thing is just way too high. For being such a great display it's hindered by the scaling. Easily fixed with root though!!

Found this on some Chinese site. If I had a backup phone I'd try it. But I don't. So can't risk bricking. Anyone else want to take a leap of faith? Ummm... Won't let me post the link because I'm still a noob apparently... So gonna try breaking it up. Just remove the line returns and spaces.
H t t p : //
m. romjd. com/
jiaocheng/
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10837
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Found this on some Chinese site. If I had a backup phone I'd try it. But I don't. So can't risk bricking. Anyone else want to take a leap of faith? Ummm... Won't let me post the link because I'm still a noob apparently... So gonna try breaking it up. Just remove the line returns and spaces.
H t t p : //
m. romjd. com/
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10837
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Don't know if I'm brave enough since I just picked mine up earlier today

Just got mine today so im hesitant to try it. Itching to get root and get a free wifi tether though. Ill think it over.
Here's the un-broken-up link just to make it easier.
http://m.romjd.com/jiaocheng/content/10837

Tempting.... Only issue I have is if it works, I have no way to unroot lol

man waiting for someone to try this and I will be first in line at my store to pick this phone up

Who will be the first brave soul?

Phone comes in tomorrow. I will try it then.

chriskader said:
Phone comes in tomorrow. I will try it then.
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Didn't work for me. Too be safe I used a virtual machine with a snap shot taken before installing so I can revert back without the risk of spyware. Also tried Kingo but no luck with either.
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Also vroot during the root attempt installs 2 apps on your phone and who knows what it installs on Windows without running a regmon, if you do decide to try it make sure you uninstall the 2 chinese apps when your done trying. Also like I mentioned above I would highly not to install vroot or Kingo on your daily driver windows machine. Leave the testing to people who have virtual machines they can install these apps on.
I have used vroot and kingo in the past to successfully root so I know they do/can work, they just haven't been updated yet to work on the Droid Turbo. Hopefully they will.

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Didn't work for me. Too be safe I used a virtual machine with a snap shot taken before installing so I can revert back without the risk of spyware. Also tried Kingo but no luck with either.
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Also vroot during the root attempt installs 2 apps on your phone and who knows what it installs on Windows without running a regmon, if you do decide to try it make sure you uninstall the 2 chinese apps when your done trying. Also like I mentioned above I would highly not to install vroot or Kingo on your daily driver windows machine. Leave the testing to people who have virtual machines they can install these apps on.
I have used vroot and kingo in the past to successfully root so I know they do/can work, they just haven't been updated yet to work on the Droid Turbo. Hopefully they will.
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Thanks for saving me the effort. I was just about to try it on a VM....

coreywallen said:
Just got mine today so im hesitant to try it. Itching to get root and get a free wifi tether though. Ill think it over.
Here's the un-broken-up link just to make it easier.
http://m.romjd.com/jiaocheng/content/10837
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Thanks for posting the unbroken link for me

Dang, you guys got my hopes up reading through this.
I keep checking the other Moto forums for root options. I'm banking on anything that will root a Moto 4.4.4 phone will work on ours. The Moto G 4.4.4 update has a later build date than our version.

[BootLoader/Root Discussion] No Bounty, Just plain discussion

Okay we have a Bounty thread... Leave that for just plain Bounty pledges..
In here feel free to talk about BootLoader discusions, Root discussions..

Nice thread. Would be nice to discuss about Moto Maxx root as well. Since it has unlockable bootloader, I believe root is pretty doable, but I have no idea how to, since there's no custom recovery yet.

Nice thread.... looking forward
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some one knows how can we help to find a exploit or something that will make our Turbo able to get root??

When lollipop gets released for the Turbo, I'm going to have a tough decision. I really want that sweet new lollipop, but I also know that the chances of rooting it will go down significantly. So, the question is, should we stay on KitKat in hopes of getting root? It's going to be really hard to resist 5.0. And since the 2014 Moto X just got it, I think we're not far behind.

There's a vulnerability in KitKat, we just have to figure out how to exploit it. CVE-2014-7911. More info can be found at http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2014/Nov/51.

Your chances of getting root with LP and a locked bootloader depend on an exploit which has yet to be found and that may be some time and on some phones has never happened on previous operating systems. You would be much better off if the phone was released for unrestricted world wide sales but being CDMA and a Verizon exclusive is guaranteed to prevent the large scale adoption that would have made it more attractive to developers. Realistically no one here knows better than you whether root is more important than getting LP are for you. For my purposes I consider root a must have while having no issues with kk which I like just fine which would make it an easy choice.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't we just revert to kitkat if an exploit is found?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2929737
That's the factory firmware we could flash if need be.

madeiracam said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't we just revert to kitkat if an exploit is found?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2929737
That's the factory firmware we could flash if need be.
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Maybe. With Qualcomm chips, it's possible to make reverting to an older version result in a hard brick. With Big Red's knowledge of what they can do, unfortunately, they might implement this "feature". Plus, a vulnerability has already been found. We just need to figure out how to exploit it.

madeiracam said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't we just revert to kitkat if an exploit is found?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2929737
That's the factory firmware we could flash if need be.
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At least with my Motorola RAZR M, every time they had a big version upgrade they also upgraded the security partition (which would be incompatible with prior firmwares), making it impossible to downgrade without an unlocked bootloader.
Sent from my Droid Turbo.

I think I have an idea on how to obtain a bootloader unlock. It most likely will not work, though, as I highly doubt it would be this stupid simple. As I do not yet have a Turbo, could someone send me the result of "fastboot oem get_unlock_data"? PM it to me and I'll test my theory. I'll also need one from some other (model doesn't matter) Motorola device, too, that actually is eligible for official bootloader unlocking.

r3pwn said:
I think I have an idea on how to obtain a bootloader unlock. It most likely will not work, though, as I highly doubt it would be this stupid simple. As I do not yet have a Turbo, could someone send me the result of "fastboot oem get_unlock_data"? PM it to me and I'll test my theory. I'll also need one from some other (model doesn't matter) Motorola device, too, that actually is eligible for official bootloader unlocking.
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I have both a Droid Turbo and a Motorola device that is eligible for bootloader unlocking, but I don't know if I can trust to give my oem unlock data if that is in any kind "dangerous" for me or my guarantee. Can you just give me a hint and I check it out?

josebama said:
I have both a Droid Turbo and a Motorola device that is eligible for bootloader unlocking, but I don't know if I can trust to give my oem unlock data if that is in any kind "dangerous" for me or my guarantee. Can you just give me a hint and I check it out?
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Yeah, sure. I'll send I sent you a PM.

Do you still need this? I have a Turbo with a cracked screen um about to send back.

greekstile said:
Do you still need this? I have a Turbo with a cracked screen um about to send back.
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Yes, but not if you're about to send it back. I'll get another one. I wouldn't be able to test if the unlock worked.

When I say send it back, I don't have to send it right away. If the unlock does work, I assume I could lock it back down before sending back?

greekstile said:
When I say send it back, I don't have to send it right away. If the unlock does work, I assume I could lock it back down before sending back?
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With Motorola devices, I don't think it's possible. I think the qfuse gets permanently blown. I would send it back if I were you. This method probably won't work anyways.
EDIT: qfuse, stupid autocorrect

I'm willing to give it a shot. Just let me know.

r3pwn said:
With Motorola devices, I don't think it's possible. I think the cause gets permanently blown. I would send it back if I were you. This method probably won't work anyways.
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i will help u too if needed
got a Droid turbo

danger2u said:
i will help u too if needed
got a Droid turbo
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How does one have a Turbo that is eligible for unlocked bootloader? This sounds like candy covered in gold to me.

G955u factory binary and eng_boot (bootloader v2)--ERASED THE LINK!!

erased link sorry

What benefits does flashing this provide?

ktimque said:
What benefits does flashing this provide?
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None yet, it's the base for getting root, once we find a way to get it to stay rooted. It's mainly for those who upgraded to the 2nd iteration of the bootloader and can't downgrade to a rootable firmware (It's been confirmed by a few to work with the new Cyborg rom, albeit without root).
As of right now, unless you know why you need it, it's best to leave it alone.

podagee said:
IF ANYONE GETS ROOT COULD YOU BE SO KIND AND POST IT HERE THANK YOU.
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ktimque said:
What benefits does flashing this provide?
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Well, I may have spoke too soon, you guys might want to take a look here in the Cyborg rom thread, seems they have a modified U2 bootloader they're flashing and retaining root. One member has volunteered to do a factory reset to see if it survives, but if so, v2 bootloader may now be rootable, or at least on the right track for public use.

IJoxer said:
None yet, it's the base for getting root, once we find a way to get it to stay rooted. It's mainly for those who upgraded to the 2nd iteration of the bootloader and can't downgrade to a rootable firmware (It's been confirmed by a few to work with the new Cyborg rom, albeit without root).
As of right now, unless you know why you need it, it's best to leave it alone.
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Thanks for answering that man. Haha. That's awesome that the guys got stuff moving that quickly. I knew that they had the files also,but, held off as long as they could until I came along.
But another useful feature I've noticed in this combo firmware is that there is an open unlock option now and mine sticks after reboot. I tried build roms, kernels,etc.. in the past that ended in ultimate failure. I'd like to start again. At the moment I just cruise the foreign forums grabbing whatever software I can find. I kinda have building only the tree down, not so much, as it's been years. I used to build Linux OS's a long time ago but forgot. I'll do my own research here if it, anybody wants to teach, I'm all ears, all eyes. Aloha