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Nexus 7 IPS screen

I don't know if its me, the device or just the screen. Cause my IPS screen on my nexus 7 is just not beating my Samsung galaxy s2,3 and my galaxy nexus's super amoled screen. The colors on the IPS just looks so washed out and plain if you compare it to a screen that has super amoled. Anyone done this yet? Compare the colors? Cause the screen just makes a huge difference lol. Unless my nexus 7 is defected.... I think it would have been a lot better if it was made by Samsung instead of Asus. Samsung super amoled just kills any other screens
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This does not have a great screen. It's a cheap tablet, lower your expectations.

lilphil240 said:
This does not have a great screen. It's a cheap tablet, lower your expectations.
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Even if it was 4-500$ I'd still buy it. I Love pure Google products
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Go watch Transformers at 40-50% brightness then come back. The screen is fine.

It isn't superb but rather alright.
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klyang88 said:
Even if it was 4-500$ I'd still buy it. I Love pure Google products
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No you wouldn't. If the N7 was sub 500....I wouldn't touch it I doubt the swarm thats attacking it would either. That's what sets it apart its price.
Its too barebones IMO to be that much. Plus build quality isn't up to par. (Glass isn't scratch resistant, Crap speakers, Flickering, At least a option for a Cell radio ect) all my opinion.
I even noticed a slight burn in too....
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Will be fix by custom rom
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It's higher resolution, but low brightness. Consider yourself a Best Buy salesman's dream customer.

Its ok for me bu not the best, but it can be fjxed with a future kernel(s). On the nexus there is franco and trinity kernel. With them i cn adjust colour
Red
Green
Blue
There is gamma adjustment
And contrast adjustment.
With all of these you can get your personal setting. It wont be long before we start to see ths kind of stuff for the n7.
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Yeah. The price is just right for a device like this. I wasn't saying I didn't like it. I love it!!!
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leelaa said:
Its ok for me bu not the best, but it can be fjxed with a future kernel(s). On the nexus there is franco and trinity kernel. With them i cn adjust colour
Red
Green
Blue
There is gamma adjustment
And contrast adjustment.
With all of these you can get your personal setting. It wont be long before we start to see ths kind of stuff for the n7.
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These kinds of adjustments are only possible on AMOLED screens.

Super amoled screens are not the best.
The HTC EVO 4G LTE has the best screen in the market now. Just saying..
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Tegra 3 has some battery saving feature called PRISIM/DIDIM which boosts colors/contrast in order to reduce backlight consumption. There doesn't appear to be a way to disable it. When I watch a movie for 30 secs or so and return to the home screen I notice that the boosted colors/contrast still remains until I power off the screen. I hope Nvidia and Google make the feature optional by way of a firmware update. Other than that the tablet is quite decent.

Am I the only one who isn't keen on the superamoledplusomgwtfbbq screens?
After using my N7 and going back to my GS2 I think it looks way too over saturated and just a little bit ridiculous. I much prefer the screen on this, amoled screens to me look like when you're photoshopping a picture and accidentally slip while adjusting the saturation and set it to max.
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The Nexus 7 uses the same beautiful, amazing screen as the 3rd generation iPad. The N7 has a lower native resolution obviously, but the underlying technology is identical between both devices.

techguy378 said:
The Nexus 7 uses the same beautiful, amazing screen as the 3rd generation iPad. The N7 has a lower native resolution obviously, but the underlying technology is identical between both devices.
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Not at all. If you compare colour contrast and saturation between the two, you'll notice that the Nexus 7 looks much less vibrant than the new iPad.

ijeff said:
Not at all. If you compare colour contrast and saturation between the two, you'll notice that the Nexus 7 looks much less vibrant than the new iPad.
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This should simply be because the new iPad has a higher pixel density than the Nexus 7. Higher pixel densities lead to higher color saturation since there's less empty space between the pixels and more colorful pixels to fill that space. The underlying screen technology should still be the same (IPS).

I really don't like the amoled screens. Their colour accuracy is just horrible. Cracking the saturation to 11 does not make a screen good. The amoleds on S2s that I've seen have all kinds of horrible colour casting. White is a sort of blueish colour. Give me a decent IPS panel any day of the week.
I've always been a bit fussy about colour accuracy. Calibrize is a good little programme for the PC that lets you get the colours roughly right.

This thing is competing with the Kindle Fire and whatever they bring out. It's a "Play Store" device, pushing magazines and books. It's perfect for it's purpose.
Open up a book on this thing and it looks great. Crisp and sharp text, even if the home screen does look a little under saturated.

Agreed, Home screen is is not well saturated. Netflix and several other apps look very well saturated. I would say its pretty typical for IPS.
Nothing beats amoled for contrast/blacks though.
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Colour Correction mods/kernels

Hi all,
I've been reading about how the Nexus 7's display is actually quite good, but that it's been very poorly factory calibrated. Is anyone working on a kernel or mod to address this and/or allow us to tune the display to our preferences? Like many others, I find it's great for text, but rather washed out and desaturated for photos and other color-dependent uses. I'm hoping something like Voodoo Color will be available soon.
Still a great device, but this is #1 on my wishlist at the moment!

Same here. I love everything about this tablet except for the color calibration. I want to get my colors a little more over saturated (ala G-Nex style). Pictures don't look as vivid as they should, and even small stuff like the color of the battery gauge seems off. On my N7 display at least, it seems like it's greens, yellows and blues are washed out.

Aye, its done to budget tablets to make them look brighter, shame they had to do it to the nexus, its a awesome screen though. Der kernel (trinity) is looking into it (they had a gnex colour mod)
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How would that work at the kernel level?

App for color calibration?

Hi!
im going to get the N10 in the next week and the first thing i will do because im a color junkie is a calibration test so se how close/far it is from
reference.
i have been into hardware calibration for displays for some years so i see myself as a pro.
i have X-Rite Display 3 Colorimeter and Chroma Pure calibration program.
http://www.chromapure.com/
the test patterns i use is from AVSHD709
http://www.avsforum.com/t/948496/avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration
i have already calibrated my LG Infinia LED TV to reference quality,so if only the right (ISF/CMS) settings is there i can calibrate any display to near reference quality.
but its all about the settings how much you can change.
so the question is:
is there a App that i can change the RGB values and saturation/hue also gamma settings?
or do i need to get a custom rom?
i know some custom roms for the SG2 has some screen/gamma adjustments in EX tweaks.
if its not i will still post the results from the calibration so you can check it out to see how good/bad calibrated the Nexus 10 is
Edit: i just found one
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=745248
but i need this for the N10

Theres an app in the play store called Screen Adjuster that allows to change RGB, contrast, brightness but requires root. Been wanting to try it but I cant root my tablet as my pc wont recognize my tablet in fastboot.
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aznmode said:
Theres an app in the play store called Screen Adjuster that allows to change RGB, contrast, brightness but requires root. Been wanting to try it but I cant root my tablet as my pc wont recognize my tablet in fastboot.
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Just tried it out and it seemed to slow down the tablet.

404 ERROR said:
Just tried it out and it seemed to slow down the tablet.
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Try not to use contrast if you don't need it. That's what's slowed my galaxy s3 down
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Apps on the market only apply a filter on top of the screen. You're going to want a kernel with proper color calibration support to prevent performance loss.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6472/ipad-4-late-2012-review/2
Here's anandtech's review of tablet displays.

vitaminxero said:
Apps on the market only apply a filter on top of the screen. You're going to want a kernel with proper color calibration support to prevent performance loss.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6472/ipad-4-late-2012-review/2
Here's anandtech's review of tablet displays.
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thanks for the link
interesting
damn the Nexus 10 is WAY off in the Gamut Chart!
how the hell can they release a screen thats is so off?
surley needs some calibration there
fix a kernel with RGB adjustments and i will fix a calibration that is better than on the iPad4.
after that you can just copy the settings and BOOM you have a reference display.
(that is if the screens dont differ to much)
i have the tools and the Knowlegde to calibrate displays but zippo knowlegde in hacking kernels
so Kernel Experts
MAKE IT HAPPEND!
Edit: first thing you will start with is the grayscale
when the grayscale is right (whites is white and not blue) then automatic you have your 6500k color temp (6500kelvin is messured from daylight in california if someone wants to know)
Also the Gamut is adjusted in position.
so its easy
with a correct grayscale everything (almost) else becomes right on spot.
one setting that they dont test there is Gamma
gamma at 2.2 is important if you want to see all details in darker parts of movies or photos.
gamma is adjusted with all three sliders Red/Green/Blue locked
So what i need is RGB adjustments and Saturation/HUE adjustments if its possible
comon hackers
we must beat the iPad!

If you want to have ICC support in kernel you've to ask a kernel dev. But I don't think that someone will implement this feature. Because the majority of users doesn't know or care about correct colors.
As the test results of your linked page show the N10 reaches a "good" neutral in white, gray and black. But the contrast is very low and by calibrating and profiling it you'll reduce it more. You've to calibrate D65 at 120 - 140 cd and after this to write a correction profile especially for blue and violet tones.
Apple does such things because their customers want to have and need good colors. But I don't see a market for android users. Photoshop touch is crap and there is no other "real" graphics suite / app. Given gamut is okay for daily use, e.g. viewing movies and surfing around the web.
So, don't be disappointed if your wish to cailbrate and profile the N10 won't be possible at all. An google seems not to have plans for ICC support in android, see https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/android-developers/Ifnsdbkqxqo

The only thing that really seems off is that it has very washed out purples. Its fine other than that. It strange as it can display blue and red just fine.
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thunderger said:
If you want to have ICC support in kernel you've to ask a kernel dev. But I don't think that someone will implement this feature. Because the majority of users doesn't know or care about correct colors.[/url]
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Fortunately a lot of devs seems to think different seeing the amount of stuff they've coded that average Joe doesn't know or care about.
I for one would love to see the OP succeed as i see nothing wrong with getting better colour accuracy on my N10.

I personally really hope that a color calibration app/kernel becomes available.....devs PLEASE make it happen!! I like the punchy (albeit 'ficticious') colors of the amoLED display on my Galaxy Note....Please devs, give us the option to control/enhance the color of the Nexus 10's screen!

Another shout for some calibration tools on the nexus 10. All my main displays are calibrated & it's quite a shock to pick up my nexus 10 & the see the washed out colours

Indeed, the guy who mentioned the fact that the average Joe doesn't care about color reproduction is forgetting the fact that not a single one of us here is an average consumer, I also own an iPad 3 and I really loathe the washed out look on our display, the iPad looks very similar to the calibration I have on my Sony TV while the nexus looks almost like a color less gray when its put beside them, they all look like crap when you put them besides my SGS 2 though, all I really need to be completely happy with my Nexus would be a way to calibrate our screens, I have already pretty much given the iPad to my little sister but I hate to admit that the colors there look much much better than on the Nexus.
And by loathe I mean that I completely hate and despise it, such a great display ruined by the damn color calibration, the option should be built into Android for ****s sake.
PLEASE devs make it happen, color calibration seems to be an issue shared between all of the recent Nexus devices, for example, the screen on the Nexus 4 doesn't look as good as the one on the LG Optimus G (Or so I've read)

It's a shame Google are apathetic on this issue. Users that want do photo work are forced to go to Apple. Small OT aside: It's the same deal with audio creation apps/interfaces, Google doesn't care. I'd rather set my sites on Ubuntu.

Another vote for getting some kind of good calibration tool for the N10. I can put up with a lot, but the black levels are killing me. I would even put up with some loss of detail if I could get better black levels.

So... Guys, how can we contact Google to ask them to fix this themselves or do something so we can fix it ourselves?

Fidelator said:
So... Guys, how can we contact Google to ask them to fix this themselves or do something so we can fix it ourselves?
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i will search tomorrow
but isnt this a problem for samsung?

pg_ice said:
i will search tomorrow
but isnt this a problem for samsung?
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Nah, the screen on the Nexus 4 doesn't look as good as the one in the Optimus G and the screen on the 7 is kind of washed out from what I've read, and from past experience I've seen that Samsung tends to calibrate their screens pretty nice, (albeit a bit saturated) on factory settings across all devices.

Hope someone can sort out the black levels, watching movies the blacks look grey specially with Dark Knight! Tried all sorts of things but nowt helping!

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Fidelator said:
Nah, the screen on the Nexus 4 doesn't look as good as the one in the Optimus G and the screen on the 7 is kind of washed out from what I've read, and from past experience I've seen that Samsung tends to calibrate their screens pretty nice, (albeit a bit saturated) on factory settings across all devices.
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It's a shame for Google not calibrating any of their screens. Nexus 4 has those ugly washed colors, same with the nexus 10. And black levels, despite as many synthetic tests you will post (anandtech etc) are quite bad.
I'm so sure this is software... and 0 upgrades from Google. Its ok they will push next version of android as soon as avaliable, but nothing else, no OTAs for bug fixing. Any other brand would have already pushed several upgrades to new devices, bugs appear and samsung, htc etc gives you solutions (not always, but...)

Anyone else find this?

I I find the screen amazing, as u can see although not as good as 2012 the whites are good, but what's with the yellows, there very dark and muggy. Anyone else find this?
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No display is ever "accurate." The question is which colors of the spectrum are closest. Here's the N10.1-14 (left) against the N3 (right).
Here's my N3 displaying the same yellow background as my N10.1-14
And actually the N10.1-14 does better than the N10.1-12 on whites; at least the example Anandtech tested.

i noticed my Google Keep and IMDB icons were alot darker than on my old touchpad

Ah Ah ok just checking, not like people really look at yellow unless highlighting pages
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reubenskelly1992 said:
Ah Ah ok just checking, not like people really look at yellow unless highlighting pages
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This is from Anandtech's review of the N5. There's been lots of grumbling in their forum about "washed out" colors.
It’s interesting to hear some Nexus 5 users complain that the display seems undersaturated, since that kind of end user feedback reflects subjective comparison. It also suggests to me that a large percentage of the population doesn’t know what some colors or system elements actually should be. Even for me, looking at the green elements inside the Google Play store on the Note 3 in movie mode or Nexus 5 initially seemed slightly more muted than normal. The reality is that this is what they actually should look like. We’ve just become accustomed to their oversaturated appearance on virtually every other device.
This kind of expectation about what looks right and what doesn’t is rather telling for the state of display calibration in Android handsets, and how OEMs have used oversaturated colors to increase retail shelf appeal. Unfortunately the reality is that oversaturated colors do seem to win taste tests among shoppers, the same way that TVs in most big boxes do. We’ve been looking at them for so long that well calibrated displays like Nexus 5 initially do look noticeably different.​So I don't know if the N10.1-14's yellows are closer to "right" or not but they are certainly close to the N3's. I'll admit I like oversaturated colors even though I know they aren't real. Assuming the N10.1-14's movie mode is closer to natural like the N3's try using it for a bit. It does look washed out even though it's technically more correct. Exaggerated colors on a small display actually have an advantage via greater separation from each other making things easier to view. At least IMHO.

I I think most colours are pretty natural on this, which you find with lcd. I love the screen though
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First Nexus 6 on video?

Dodgy vine unboxing video aside, I think this is the first hands-on of the Nexus 6, and it's also compared to the Note 4!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Fn8OnzDO5Y
Video Summary:
Note 4 display has better colours.
Note 4 has slightly sharper images (likely the 3mp extra coming into account)
Nexus 6 has better low light images and flash
Nexus 6 has the better software (surprising no one at all)
Shame its so short and doesnt really go into any of the other features. I really wanted to know how the Stereo speakers were on the Nexus 6.

notice how finalized model doesn't have that metal dimple but just like the 1st gen Moto X, wonder what changed their minds, it felt pretty good on 2nd MotoX.

DiNoise said:
notice how finalized model doesn't have that metal dimple but just like the 1st gen Moto X, wonder what changed their minds, it felt pretty good on 2nd MotoX.
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I noticed that. Now I'm a bit confused. I want the white Nexus 6, but not if the dimple in the back is going to be black. Is the one in the video just not the final version or something?

KerryWood34 said:
I noticed that. Now I'm a bit confused. I want the white Nexus 6, but not if the dimple in the back is going to be black. Is the one in the video just not the final version or something?
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The phone in the video is not the final version.
I also noticed that the video states the nexus 6 to have an LCD display while it has an AMOLED display. It's most likely a preproduction unit or something.

Holy crap thats bigger than I expected

Note 4 screen was just wow... but nexus screen is clearly bigger...

What's really disappointing is that the Note 4 has more vibrant and saturated colors and a much brighter screen. Hopefully the final release will have a brighter screen.

KerryWood34 said:
I noticed that. Now I'm a bit confused. I want the white Nexus 6, but not if the dimple in the back is going to be black. Is the one in the video just not the final version or something?
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It clearly shows on the Nexus page that it will not have preproduction dimple

msal said:
What's really disappointing is that the Note 4 has more vibrant and saturated colors and a much brighter screen. Hopefully the final release will have a brighter screen.
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Samsung over-saturates their screens so the N6 will not have that. I prefer the Sammy screen but w/e

mk92595 said:
Samsung over-saturates their screens so the N6 will not have that. I prefer the Sammy screen but w/e
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Yeah I also prefer Samsung's displays. I understand the saturation levels, but why is the Note 4 so much more bright?

msal said:
Yeah I also prefer Samsung's displays. I understand the saturation levels, but why is the Note 4 so much more bright?
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Could be something as simple as different ambient light sensor settings. Samsung may have it designed to crank the brightness up higher than it really would need to be? Who knows.
Also have to take into account the angles at which he was holding the phones. When he's holding them both up in front of him while the video is playing, they seem to be angled slightly towards each other... and the Nexus 6 seems to be getting a lot more glare. When you see him browsing the settings menu, the brightness difference is much less prominent.

mk92595 said:
Samsung over-saturates their screens so the N6 will not have that. I prefer the Sammy screen but w/e
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The Note 4 has a basic color setting (in addition to typical AMOLED saturations), which works so well,
it is the most accurate smartphone display ever made.
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Yeah I also prefer Samsung's displays. I understand the saturation levels, but why is the Note 4 so much more bright?
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I highly anticipate Samsung didn't give the N6 access to their latest and greatest AMOLED technology like they did their own flagship - enough said until official reviews post.
elementaldragon said:
Could be something as simple as different ambient light sensor settings. Samsung may have it designed to crank the brightness up higher than it really would need to be? Who knows.
Also have to take into account the angles at which he was holding the phones. When he's holding them both up in front of him while the video is playing, they seem to be angled slightly towards each other... and the Nexus 6 seems to be getting a lot more glare. When you see him browsing the settings menu, the brightness difference is much less prominent.
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Both devices are at 100% manual brightness when on the home screen and settings pages (unsure on video, but likely the same). Do remember that on auto brightness, the Note 4 can actually go up another 140~ nits as part of an outdoor boost mode. The Note also has adaptive display color modes (likely enabled by default here) to saturate colors to increase contrast in sunlight, in addition to their less reflective glass panel. Samsung got it right from how it looks so far. Perplexed as to why they'd do an outside video though with a crappy camera.
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Nitemare3219 said:
I highly anticipate Samsung didn't give the N6 access to their latest and greatest AMOLED technology like they did their own flagship - enough said until official reviews post.
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Well this is going to suck then lol. That means the Nexus 5 display will be similar to that of the S4.

Probably more likely it's the Note 3 technology.
Moto X = S4 technology - same brightness, released 12 months later
Nexus 6 = Note 3 technology, released 12 months later

Nitemare3219 said:
I highly anticipate Samsung didn't give the N6 access to their latest and greatest AMOLED technology like they did their own flagship - enough said until official reviews post.
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SO you think that only Samsung Produce AMOLED panels ?
AU Optronics also make AMOLED displays, also I can't imagine Moto asking Samsung for the display in the first place as Im sure Samsung would stitch them up something rotten.
Regardless of who makes the panel its mor eof the fact that google have a 6" because this is all it is about who can make the best Phablet.
As long as the Battery can handle the screen i can't see why it wont sell in droves to the Phablet market over the note if the price is right, if its too close to the Samsung people will just buy the Samsung and not compromise.
The note 4 retails here between £550 and £600, so the Nexus 6 is going to have to respond to that !
so unless the lowest model of the N6 is around £450 i can't really see areason not to go with Sammys offerings and just ditch Touchwhizz when you get root and flash Stock.

Dont forget with a nexus we can change the screen color with custom kernels.If you want more contrast, add it! At least this is how i remember it on my galaxy nexus.

SenK9 said:
Probably more likely it's the Note 3 technology.
Moto X = S4 technology - same brightness, released 12 months later
Nexus 6 = Note 3 technology, released 12 months later
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If that's the case, it shouldn't be bad by any means... just not as good efficiency or accuracy wise as the new displays.
hutzdani said:
SO you think that only Samsung Produce AMOLED panels ?
AU Optronics also make AMOLED displays, also I can't imagine Moto asking Samsung for the display in the first place as Im sure Samsung would stitch them up something rotten.
Regardless of who makes the panel its mor eof the fact that google have a 6" because this is all it is about who can make the best Phablet.
As long as the Battery can handle the screen i can't see why it wont sell in droves to the Phablet market over the note if the price is right, if its too close to the Samsung people will just buy the Samsung and not compromise.
The note 4 retails here between £550 and £600, so the Nexus 6 is going to have to respond to that !
so unless the lowest model of the N6 is around £450 i can't really see areason not to go with Sammys offerings and just ditch Touchwhizz when you get root and flash Stock.
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Perhaps not only Samsung, but I'm sure they're the best. They have plenty of money and invented the technology...
The N6 may be 6", but for the average user they are losing that additional screen space to buttons. And the S-Pen is something that puts the Note a whole league ahead of the N6. Size isn't everything, especially when you hit the phablet sector. All these phones are big, so what else do they have to offer?
Don't get me wrong, I've been a Nexus user for years and just recently got the G3 to try it out (big mistake). I want the N6 to be amazing and win me over, but I feel like I'm going to be somewhat let down compared to other flagships yet again which is a big deal considering the price isn't any different now.
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Dont forget with a nexus we can change the screen color with custom kernels.If you want more contrast, add it! At least this is how i remember it on my galaxy nexus.
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True, but how well the display was built is still a factor. And you can't increase brightness or fix viewing angles
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Nitemare3219 said:
SNIP.....
Don't get me wrong, I've been a Nexus user for years and just recently got the G3 to try it out (big mistake). I want the N6 to be amazing and win me over, but I feel like I'm going to be somewhat let down compared to other flagships yet again which is a big deal considering the price isn't any different now.
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In your Case if your G3 is your Daily Driver i don't think the Nexus 6 will be disappointing as you have no L preview to flash and get used to Lollipop, the G3 is a solid device bar the OS skin which is so cluttered.
The best thing about the Nexus 6 will be the Build quality, the N5 is so soft and has finally succomed to light dinks out of the plastic and cracking between the plastic around the side volume / power and sim.

hutzdani said:
In your Case if your G3 is your Daily Driver i don't think the Nexus 6 will be disappointing as you have no L preview to flash and get used to Lollipop, the G3 is a solid device bar the OS skin which is so cluttered.
The best thing about the Nexus 6 will be the Build quality, the N5 is so soft and has finally succomed to light dinks out of the plastic and cracking between the plastic around the side volume / power and sim.
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I thought the back of the Nexus 6 was soft plastic again? Either way the phone is gorgeous. I'm not sure how much I like the front of it though.. reminds me a lot of the Nexus 4.
My G3 has a great camera, and amazing display. It could be brighter, and a little warmer for color accuracy, but it is IPS and I love it. The problem with the G3 isn't within cluttered OS (I find it to be pretty close to stock Android), but with lag, build quality, probable lack of dev, and bugs.
The 801 cannot handle this device, plain and simple - at least in terms of Nexus speed. It also overheats when things get crazy. The phone looks great, don't get me wrong. But the casing has reportedly cracked at ports because it is still plastic (must be crap plastic at that). I do love the front design of the phone (back is whatever because it's always been in a case), especially in white. The T-Mobile boot loader has been open since day 1, and development is still dead. ATT just got theirs unlocked, but I feel like the device just isn't going to take off at this point. Reception has been a pain where I'm currently located, WiFi drops and hesitates to reconnect all too frequently, WiFi calling messes up, WiFi hotspots are broken without apps, and int'l roaming didn't work out of the box to name a few issues. LG software support is crap, so I have no hope for this device.
But then you might say - it's Android, who cares about bad software? Well, with a lack of dev, that is still a problem. Secondly, I used to be a flashaholic. I've had Android since the G1 debuted in 2008. But I've grown out of constantly flashing, updating, tinkering... I'll do a few things here or there, but I kept my Nexus 5 stock (rooted w/ recovery though) the entire time I've had it (still do). I did a few modifications, but that's it. I change phones every year or so because I haven't had one that just blew me away and made me feel like I could keep it for awhile, without needing to try a million different ROMs either. The Note 4 or Nexus 6 could be that device I actually keep more than a year IF they deliver the whole package. Displays and cameras are finally getting where they need to be, and if the hardware and software can make the phone blazing fast, I have everything I need.
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Don't get me wrong, I loved the SPen in note 2 and 3.
But Touchwiz is just painful. Custom ROMs void the warranty too.
Plus the Exynos variant is quite a bit more powerful than the more common Snapdragon version, and also has a better camera and wolfson DAC. However, Exynos has poor ROM support outside of tweaked Touchwiz. And as I say, warranty = void.
A custom launcher can't get rid of all that bloat unfortunately. The note 4 pretty much maxes all available RAM out of the box due to the bloat.
Screen might not be as good, but the build quality looks to be better, front facing speakers, and above all else a phone that you can do whatever you want to. No restrictions.
Literally the only bad thing in my eyes is the lack of micro SD support, but everyone knew that before it was announced anyway. 64GB is more than enough for me.