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What phone/criteria will make you switch?

It seems that the majority of Nexus owners here aren't too impressed with the new Nexus S. The manufactor is samsung, the specs are tame, and the hardware is at the current market's standard; more or less. The only reasons I see for an upgrade is for having the status and guarantee of getting future update first, pure google experience, and a slight update to the Nexus One. Gingerbread is moot since we'll be getting it as our last priority update.
With that being said, what device will stray you away from the best android phone ever? Any dual core slut? A hardware beast like the EVO?
The only phone that's stopping me from purchasing a Nexus S is the LG Star with dual core. However, do we know if this phone will follow Samsung's strategy of releasing to multiple carriers? Will it be a pure google flavor? Updates will surely be slow but how will the development community be for this phone?
Honestly my only criteria comes down to which device will be supported by this community. Software is a moot point when you have great developers improving it in everyway possible. I would really like to know what device Cyanogen will fall in love with!

Fairly cheap (yeah right)
Dual core
5mp or higher camera
Sexy looks
Notification led (seriously, why are manufacturers leaving this off?)
Hard keyboard (preferably)
Camera flash
HDMI out
Trackball
Good battery life (I guess this can be worked on by devs)
Seperate audio out jack
Good screen (bright, scratch resistant, non smudge, etc.)
No pointless search button (it just annoys me)
At least 1gig of ram (at the VERY least!)
Decent internal storage
Can't think of anything else.
Yeah... I think ill be waiting a while
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Non-Samsung stock android phone.

I for one prefer Samsung hardware... sure it may be more plasticy than HTC phones, but the hardware is superior. The Galaxy touchscreen is far more accurate and smoother at tracking, can also handle up to 5 simultaneous inputs (MT4G can only do 4 and choppier). You'll never have dust under the screen with their AMOLED screens since the glass is practically on top of the screen, unlike HTC devices. The camera unit is superior to all HTC 5mp sensors (just by looking at it, the aperture is larger). The external speaker on the Galaxy S line is also superior to the N1's, MT4G, G2, etc. - better bass reproduction and less tinny, also louder. The quality of audio through headphones... also better because of Samsung's sound chip. All in all, there's not many things from a hardware perspective that HTC does better. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Non-Samsung stock android phone.
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Camera nexus one is better - more pixels not mpx but some more pixels, sound through headphones is dependent on equaliser and stuff so with CM6 and poweramp u get mind blowing sound, EVO and incredible can handle infinite touches, u can stick any glass to the screen. Thing thing is if glass breaks screen is gonna break 99% and if its not stuck to screen there are chances the display will remain good. It has both good and bad points. Every screen doesnt have dust under it, None of my HTC phones ever did, dont know about speaker but audio through did sound awful on galaxy s

Meltus said:
Fairly cheap (yeah right)
Dual core
5mp or higher camera
Sexy looks
Notification led (seriously, why are manufacturers leaving this off?)
Hard keyboard (preferably)
Camera flash
HDMI out
Trackball
Good battery life (I guess this can be worked on by devs)
Seperate audio out jack
Good screen (bright, scratch resistant, non smudge, etc.)
No pointless search button (it just annoys me)
At least 1gig of ram (at the VERY least!)
Decent internal storage
Can't think of anything else.
Yeah... I think ill be waiting a while
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this and decent build quality, like the nexus one.
one thing i'd really need is a better/louder speaker, the n1 one sucks soooo much.

I'm hoping the Motorola Olympus on ATT will be as good as the rumors - I'm on an ATT Nexus One since March, and have got the upgrade bug for a few reasons:
1. bigger screen - 3.7" is too small for me. 4.3" would be ideal, but I need a phone on ATT because I'm due for an upgrade and I can sell the N1 for about what I'd get a new phone on contract on ATT.
2. better touch screen, the N1 has occasional (although rare) issues with touch screen accuracy, not to mention no true multitouch. (not really a problem, other than in an occasional game or rotating in some apps)
The additional upgrades, such as the rumored 1GB of ram and the upgraded cpu/gpu, are all icing on the cake. Hopefully it'll be compatible with Netflix's requirement for additional DRM on Android phones, and that's gravy on top of the icing on the cake.

1GHz+ Dual core processor
3.7" display
1,024 MB RAM
850/1900 MHz 3G bands
Aluminum unibody design
At least 16 GB of storage (whether onboard, or available slot for expansion)
Better speakerphone

Dual Core!
1GB Ram
3.7" (no larger than 4")
SD Card Slot *cough*
Non-plastic
Stock Android
I guess it's pretty much the same thing as the Nexus One but Dual Core and higher Ram. I'm hoping next year's Google's "baby" will be back to HTC (please don't make it Samsung or Moto)

I know we're all excited about dual core but do you think Android will take advantage of it? Is the speed really going to be noticable?
I really just want dual core for the battery savings aspect and better gaming.

utcarbs said:
I know we're all excited about dual core but do you think Android will take advantage of it? Is the speed really going to be noticable?
I really just want dual core for the battery savings aspect and better gaming.
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You're almost guaranteed dual core will make battery life worse, not better.
For a dual core to be any better, the computation efficiency needs to have a sharper gradient than that of the power efficiency. Or else, running a single core for X time might mean less power than running 2 cores for Y time.
Besides, the reason i hate my nexus one is the abysmal touch screen. It gets confused ALL the F'ing time.

* 1gb Ram
* min. 8 GB internal Memory
* outside microSD Card Slot
* Audio Jack
* phy. TRACKBALL with notification (frozen bubble anyone?)
* sexy design like my N1 <3

Like the N1 the use of a next Gen chip.
Comparable or superior camera/camcorder than iPhone.
SOME kind of colored notification system. Whether led or led trackball.
Min 4" screen preferably 4.3
HD display.
App storage...Touch screen...GPS/wifi/3g etc..batterylife.
None of those things should be an issue.
Give me at least 2-3 of the top portion...and all of Tue bottom I'd switch asap.

Hmmm
The Nexus One is near perfect.
If I had to upgrade I would consider the following:
Sexy Looks
1ghz Processor; probably Dual Core since that seems to be the direction we're heading
4" Max Properly working Super/Amoled Screen
Front Facing Camera for laughs
Enough Ram
Rootable Android
TrackBall or Smart Dpad
I LOVE the trackball on the Nexus. I have a BlackBerry Tour with an optical sensor and I hate it. While it DOES work, it lacks sensitivity and accuracy. Both gaming and office/texting/website entry all benefit from having a trackball. Selecting text on my Blackberry is a pain. Also using a full touch method blows chunks too, similar to the iApple and Android Web Browser method. It's hard to select JUST the text you want.
Other stuff should just work. Also a hot-swappable microSD card would be nice. Although I really never have to remove it using Android, the occasional pulling of pictures and stuff is faster to just pull the SD card = no phone.
Even though I don't currently use the Desktop or Car port, I think the idea of having such is great. I'm wanting a few Desk docks for my office and bed side but waiting on some good prices.

Honestly, I don't see any amount of hardware changes that would make me switch, that is until Honeycomb comes out. The Nexus, while having it's fair share of issues, is getting Gingerbread before even most new phones will get it and will run the new software just fine. So to me there's no point switching to any other phone except the Nexus S and that's only if you want the latest gadget/tech toy. I know alot of you guys drool over dual core but it's not like android is pushing 1st gen snapdragons to the limit yet. I'll let the software catch up to the current tech before I make a switch.

My dream phone? It'd have:
fastboot oem unlock
A trackball, or an optical one but with a rim that lights up (for notifications), a la E71
A processor speedy enough to carry day-to-day stuff, not necessarily dual-core
A LARGE /data partition (at least 1GB)
Working multi-touch
A keyboard (I got used to touchscreens for typing, but I still consistently type faster with my N900, even though I barely use it today)
At least triband HSPA/HSPA+ (900, 1700, 2100), like the Nexus One has, when I have to go to North America (I'm currently in Europe, and no, we don't only use 2100 MHz, we're slowly switching everything to 900 MHz)
Quality materials, like the N1 has
Basically, I want a Desire Z but easily unlockable by supported methods, and tri-band HSPA+. I know it's stupid to avoid the DZ because of the radio, but if I buy it in Europe with the right keyboard layout for my language (French AZERTY), I also want to be able to use it in NA.

For me, it would have to be the camera and hardware of the phone (style). I don't really give a toot about processor speeds.
One phone that really fits my criteria is the Nokia N8 but, unfortunately, the software on that phone is terrible. If it had Android on it, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

So will you buy the new HTC Titan or stick with your Mango HD2?

As the title suggests... what will you do?
I want the Titan very much but will hold on and use my Mango HD2 for just a little longer.

Maybe next year. Will wait for all the mango handsets to come. Waiting for Nokia to reveal its phones. Nokia is supposed to have better lens.. Carl Zeiss?? All else being same, a better optics will clinch the deal, I suppose. Waiting for Nokia phones..
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I was tempted but im a bit disapointed that we are only getting the 205 gpu, essentially we are only getting a 500mhz speed bump an a slightly bigger battery. Think I'll wait tbh, im more than happy with the hd2 an wp7, at the very least I may wait until the price drops. Full price for a slightly bigger screen, battery an a 500mhz speed bump, isn't worth it in my opinion
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Seriusly? I don,t know why spend 500 bucks to buy a phone with a little more spec hd2. HD2 is thé kind, si the next prototype in sell from HTC comes in 2020...

I want a device where I can't see the pixels, like on the Iphone. Meaning I'll have to wait for new chassis specs from MS. Also I've often been impressed with the build quality and battery life on Nokia phones, so when I do get a new phone it'll prolly be a Nokia.

I'd expect a s3 snapdragon with a Adreno 220 gpu, not second gen s2 stuff, I mean s4 snapdragons will be out very soon, so effectively the titan will be 2 generations old by time its released! Seems daft if you ask me, perhaps the listed spec is wrong but several sites say its deffiniely an s2
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I was going to get one till i saw its 840x480 still on a bigger screen i mean wtf lol and 1 upgrade from the crap gpu thats in my hd2 right now and all for £500 probly here sim free in the uk. No thanks
Im waiting on a phone from htc thats got dule core cpu a good gpu and higher rez screen then i will be willing to spend £500 on a windows phone until that day i will stick with my hd2. i just hope one day someone comes along and fixes the bug with the battery drain

i think im sticking with my hd2 seeing as my contact doesnt end till april, but hopefully by then i will be able to get a dual core with 1080p video

dont expect too much from Nokia Carl Zeiss
Hey man, I've had Nokia N73 N95 and Nokia N95 8Gb, and let me tell you that I love by far the pictures taken with our HTC HD2 with Windows 6.5 with WP7 still being not so good you know... but really the Carl Zeiss lens in Nokia NSeries isn't so good as marketing says .... lets wait for new models with WP7 but I really think that HTC is a better brand ....
I have my HTC HD2 now for 2 year and the material that is made is really fantastic, until now the metal still being like new from factory the display the same... maybe some scratches after 2 years on buttons... and the experience with Nokia mobile phones is really the opposite, I had this Nokia N95 two years and the battery is fat you now like blowed not working anymore, needed to buy new one and the cases are like chinnesse plastic soo BAD !!! I needed to change my cases 2 times in 2 years .... soooo really HTC has shown soo good battery life itself and so good cases life.....sooo In my opinion I wont change to any other brand HTC !for me until now has been almost the perfect mobile phone
Grettings .....

madhivanan said:
Maybe next year. Will wait for all the mango handsets to come. Waiting for Nokia to reveal its phones. Nokia is supposed to have better lens.. Carl Zeiss?? All else being same, a better optics will clinch the deal, I suppose. Waiting for Nokia phones..
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Hey man, I've had Nokia N73 N95 and Nokia N95 8Gb, and let me tell you that I love by far the pictures taken with our HTC HD2 with Windows 6.5 with WP7 still being not so good you know... but really the Carl Zeiss lens in Nokia NSeries isn't so good as marketing says .... lets wait for new models with WP7 but I really think that HTC is a better brand ....
I have my HTC HD2 now for 2 year and the material that is made is really fantastic, until now the metal still being like new from factory the display the same... maybe some scratches after 2 years on buttons... and the experience with Nokia mobile phones is really the opposite, I had this Nokia N95 two years and the battery is fat you now like blowed not working anymore, needed to buy new one and the cases are like chinnesse plastic soo BAD !!! I needed to change my cases 2 times in 2 years .... soooo really HTC has shown soo good battery life itself and so good cases life.....sooo In my opinion I wont change to any other brand HTC !for me until now has been almost the perfect mobile phone
Grettings .....

Very interetsted in the Titan, like the idea of 1.5GHz CPU and bigger screen. Also native WP7 support would be good. Not sure about soft buttons though, heard bad things about them.
Definitely interested to see what Nokia can do. My first smartphone was a Nokia 9110 back in 1998. Would love to see a modern day offering from Nokia - they've done some great hardware.

But do we really need a dual core CPU which will just eat into battery life? Surely a 1ghz processor is more than enough to run WP7 (HD2 is proof) so a 1.5Ghz single core is more than plenty. Also again surely 480x800 is plenty (HD2 is proof) and YouTube reviewers of Titan said you can't see pixels on the 4.7" display. We don't need to be able to play 720p videos on our screens as the resolution is only WVGA remember.
So, I think the Titan is a great upgrade. Bigger screen, thinner, faster, WiFi tethering, better camera, front facing camera, better sound (5.1) etc.
I paid £500 for my sim free HD2 on launch date. I am tempted to sell it and put money towards Titan.
The only thing I dislike about the Titan is the double edge bezel design above the screen. Its horrible and does not match the bottom of the phone and thus spoils
the look.

tboy2000 said:
But do we really need a dual core CPU which will just eat into battery life? Surely a 1ghz processor is more than enough to run WP7 (HD2 is proof) so a 1.5Ghz single core is more than plenty. Also again surely 480x800 is plenty (HD2 is proof) and YouTube reviewers of Titan said you can't see pixels on the 4.7" display. We don't need to be able to play 720p videos on our screens as the resolution is only WVGA remember.
So, I think the Titan is a great upgrade. Bigger screen, thinner, faster, WiFi tethering, better camera, front facing camera, better sound (5.1) etc.
I paid £500 for my sim free HD2 on launch date. I am tempted to sell it and put money towards Titan.
The only thing I dislike about the Titan is the double edge bezel design above the screen. Its horrible and does not match the bottom of the phone and thus spoils
the look.
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Bigger screen isnt better, its larger, and may suite some folk an not others, i wouldnt shell out 500 on half an inch
Your right about the dual core, we dont even know how WP could deal with such a thing, but what is missing from the S2 Snapdragons is the GPU/memory the Adreno 220 is between 100% to 400% faster than the S2 Adreno 205 which is slightly faster than the Adreno 200 we have, there is also the memory and power consumption improvments.
Shelling out 500 on a device that is 2 generations obsolete before it even hits the shelves (S4 on its way which also comes in single, dual and quad core an over x16 improvment in speed over our HD2 and significant battery drainage reduction) sounds more like HTC trying to clear Snapdragon S2 stock rather than provide us with a new device, we would be getting a minimal improvment over the HD2.
Its like me trying to sell you today a 3GHz Intel Prescott CPU for the full ~£300 it cost AS NEW ~6/7 years ago, "But its new, its never been used before so why wouldnt you pay that price? it is after all faster than a ATOM CPU?"
Where did you get this 5.1 sound business? i didnt see HDMI output on the spec, just curious,
Its 1.1mm thiner, 10mm Longer and 3.6 mm wider and a few grams heaver, 1.1mm thiner isnt much to shell out 500 quid on

Some good valid points. As for the 5.1 reference, this is taken straight from HTC's site.
Multimedia
See photos from your camera, Facebook and Windows Live™ accounts in the Pictures hub
Music and Videos Hub powered by Zune lets you listen to radio, download music, and more
SRS enhancement
5.1 surround sound for video

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Also again surely 480x800 is plenty (HD2 is proof) and YouTube reviewers of Titan said you can't see pixels on the 4.7" display. We don't need to be able to play 720p videos on our screens as the resolution is only WVGA remember.
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I don't believe that. I can clearly see the pixels on my HD2, so why wouldn't I be able to see them on a device with an even lower PPI?
EDIT: Also, I actually don't think it's dual core.

tboy2000 said:
Some good valid points. As for the 5.1 reference, this is taken straight from HTC's site.
Multimedia
See photos from your camera, Facebook and Windows Live™ accounts in the Pictures hub
Music and Videos Hub powered by Zune lets you listen to radio, download music, and more
SRS enhancement
5.1 surround sound for video
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curious, as far as i am aware Bluetooth doesnt transmit 5.1, a 3.5mm Jack sure as hell cant, perhaps there is some sort of USB pass through
I wonder what exactly they mean.

Hagenlund said:
I don't believe that. I can clearly see the pixels on my HD2, so why wouldn't I be able to see them on a device with an even lower PPI?
EDIT: Also, I actually don't think it's dual core.
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Hmm, im not sure, as far as i know The world of PPI,DPI Dot Pitch can get quite confusing, especially without all the facts.
by having a set resolution over a larger screen would decrease the outputed PPI
however the screen may have a significantly higher DPI and with some clever use of interpolation and Dithering may "hide" that, it also depends on distance from the screen, generally speaking the larger the screen the further away you are from it, if i get close enough to a Iphone 4 i will see them. if i hold an iphone at arms length you will not beable to see the difference between an HD2 and iPhone. Theres lots of variables including your own eyes so dont count it out until you see it.

Sure, HTC may be using some kind of tricks to mask the low DPI of the Titan. But I haven't seen the device IRL so I wouldn't know about that.
No-one holds the device an arm's length away, though. Hold an Iphone and an HD2 at a comfortable distance, and the difference in PPI will be very visible, assuming you have average eyesight.

madhivanan said:
Maybe next year. Will wait for all the mango handsets to come. Waiting for Nokia to reveal its phones. Nokia is supposed to have better lens.. Carl Zeiss?? All else being same, a better optics will clinch the deal, I suppose. Waiting for Nokia phones..
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exactly what he said. No need for swap yet...

Hagenlund said:
Sure, HTC may be using some kind of tricks to mask the low DPI of the Titan. But I haven't seen the device IRL so I wouldn't know about that.
No-one holds the device an arm's length away, though. Hold an Iphone and an HD2 at a comfortable distance, and the difference in PPI will be very visible, assuming you have average eyesight.
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well i have certified perfect eye sight i can cant see a difference at a comfortable distance, most people hold phones and books far too close to their eyes and do not even know it, it places a lot of strain on them which isnt good for you.
what i can see is that on SOME specific types of pictures it does display colour banding.
Go sit 6 inches from your TV screen and see how long you can last before you get a headache
anyhow, point is, the PPI on the device is a mute point until you can actually see it. Still wouldnt consider getting it as new just yet, not worth the cash for a small upgrade, and i think the half inch extra screen is a waste too, HD2 is plenty large enough.

Poll: Which of the five WP8 handsets will you buy?

Now we know of HTC's lineup which handset appeals to you?

Lumia 920. As a photographer, I don't think you can beat the camera on the Nokia (judging from the samples shot from the Lumia)

Lumia 920.
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8X because of the screen size, and it might be the only one on my carrier. If the lumia ends up on my carrier it will be a harder decision.

Lumia 920
better screen by a long way
Better camera by a long way
Wireless charging - hope to see car mount with this making a great sat nah
More storage - 16gb of 8x is pathetic fir a flagship esp when the 8s has SD
Nokia apps - esp camera features
Gloves on use - not needed for me but pretty cool
Better battery
Yeah the 8x has beats but that's ruined by 16gb and what else? being .5 mm thinner isn't enough to win it back.

wait. ..for lumia 1000

I voted Lumia 920
If Lumia comes out on my carrier (sales person in Vodafone UK store basically said it wont be coming to them, but Phones4U UK should get it)
If not then HTC 8x

OP, you may want to add "not sure yet" to the voting choices.
I don’t know…….. The Ativ has the largest display and appears to have the best specs. The “big 3” all seem to have the same CPU.
I’m partial to HTC devices and I’ve been very happy with my HTC Titan. I may have been spoiled, but I now believe that a 4.7 inch display is probably a minimum perfect size. When we first heard rumors of the new HTC WP8 devices there were to have been three of them, with the “Flagship Device” having a 4.7 inch display. I’m not interested in going smaller, and I assume other Titan users have similar thoughts.
Also, what happened to the hype over WP8 devices having Nokia Maps? Do these new devices even have the new app? There seems to be no mention of it now.
I’m afraid I’m in wait-and-see mode, leaning slightly towards the ATIV for display size.
Where are you HTC? Where’s my big-screen Titan replacement?

For anybody that still isn't decided, WPCentral put together a comparison chart on the different 'Hero' phones. Honestly, after looking at it I may find myself with the Ativ.

6 months ago .....if the boot loader was unlocked, and the drivers open sourced, the 920 that is awesome hardware, from the screen, to CPU, to graphics, to camera.

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OP, you may want to add "not sure yet" to the voting choices.
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i dont think i can add to the poll when it is live.

Nokia or HTC for me. Who ever offers a combo deal of Surface and Phone first will get my money.
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None, because none will be available to Sprint. Even more, on Sprint, I'll have to pay the same monthly rate for any WP8 to iPhone 5, so...
unless the HTC one has no LTE

I not convinced we’ve seen HTC’s “flagship”.
Probably the most significant single attribute that any manufacturer has used to one-up the iPhone has been display size.
All of the HTC rumors prior to this week’s announcement revolved around the introduction of three new WP8 devices, one of which was to have had a 4.7 inch display.
There are way too many Titan and One X users that are not likely to be cool with a smaller display – not even .2 inches smaller. Thanks to Titan and One X, 4.7 inches is the new minimum.
I really hope to see something bigger and better from HTC soon.
Q: Do the HTC and Samsung devices come with Nokia Maps?
Q: Is the big battery in the ATIV removable?

XATAGuy said:
I not convinced we’ve seen HTC’s “flagship”.
Probably the most significant single attribute that any manufacturer has used to one-up the iPhone has been display size.
All of the HTC rumors prior to this week’s announcement revolved around the introduction of three new WP8 devices, one of which was to have had a 4.7 inch display.
There are way too many Titan and One X users that are not likely to be cool with a smaller display – not even .2 inches smaller. Thanks to Titan and One X, 4.7 inches is the new minimum.
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While I like your reasoning, I can't help but notice that they called it the 8X. The X has been their "top of the line" brand, and while I suppose it's not impossible for them to introduce something like the 8X+, it sounds like they aren't really planning for it.

Samsung announced a new LPDDR3 which should be in phones next year. More storage less power consumption and faster!
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thebobp said:
While I like your reasoning, I can't help but notice that they called it the 8X. The X has been their "top of the line" brand, and while I suppose it's not impossible for them to introduce something like the 8X+, it sounds like they aren't really planning for it.
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Good point. I hadn't put the "X" thing together.
I'm really expecting more from HTC.
Thanks!

shelz said:
wait. ..for lumia 1000
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I'll buy the 920 at the day of the release, but I really like to see Nokia pulling out all the stops - 41mp Pure View, 4.8" edge to edge screen, quad-core Krait, 3,300 mAh battery. I'd buy that monster in a heartbeat.

george232 said:
I'll buy the 920 at the day of the release, but I really like to see Nokia pulling out all the stops - 41mp Pure View, 4.8" edge to edge screen, quad-core Krait, 3,300 mAh battery. I'd buy that monster in a heartbeat.
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Quad core is just not needed for this OS. It would be more of a battery drainer if anything. Am so glad they have only put two core CPUs.

I like the Nokia 920 the most out of all that we have seen so far.
The ativ s also looks good. I like the HTC designs but I'm not so sure about HTC devices anymore. They seem to always suffer from some sort of build quality issue.
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[Make it happen] HTC 8X (World) or Lumia 920 (AT&T)?

Alright, we all know what the drill is. i dropped my TITAN II and now i can't wait to get a replacement for it. I have been buying the flagship device of each wave of Windows Phone from HTC so i think i can try something new as well.
I know you probably thinking "This is another bullsh!t thread that as for the opinion and will end between a post or 2" , but please help me out here.
Coming down to the 920 vs 8X, a lot of poles has been made and look like the flavor goes to the 920. But i think i should take it from my own opinion, not just critic and others people thoughts.
1. Carrier : Not a big deal, i am on AT&T , GoPhone service to be specific, but i do travel international sometime. 8X get a little advantage here , but it is not hard to get an unlocked code for the Lumia either.
2. Storage: Personally, 16GB is enough for me, 32GB is nice but not a MUST.
3. Color : I don't give a sh!t, flat black is what i am getting either one of them.
4. Screen Size : A mix. I started with the HD2 4.3", and HD7 with 4.3" as well before i went full 2 years with 4.7" (HTC TITAN and TITAN II). 4.5 might be a smaller drop from 4.7" but 4.3 is not too bad either.
5. Camera : I am no photographer but sometime do demand some nice and clean shots. There are a lot of mixed review for the PureView Technology on the Lumia , as well as a lot of review said the 8X Camera is somewhat equal or worse than the One X. <= I don't really know, you guys help me here.
6. Battery : Both Non-Removable (Pain in the ass for sure), the Lumia is slightly higher but the usage is kind of the same as the 8X according to some reviews (due to the larger screen).
7. Performance : Both phones are matched...
8. Audio performance: *In the Dust*, i don't trust whatever Beats made and i am questioning the Dolby effect from Nokia too. I own myself a pretty good earbuds as well as some decent headphones.
9. Support: Unclear. Microsoft has been revealed about the way they update the phone is OTA (over-the-air), suspecting to by-pass carrier testing (which takes forever). if not, the World Version of 8X wins hand down.
10. Price : The No-Contract AT&T Locked Lumia stock at $450, the World-Unlocked version can rank up to $800, which not reasonable. the World Version of 8X is around $550-$600 right now, which is affordable for me.
...
11. History: The history really back HTC up for me. Although they said Windows Phone 8 won't even have a chance to have Custom ROM but who knows? Unless i hear it myself from the DFT. And the history of World Phone HTC really back the opinion up. HTC phones usually get the Custom ROM/ HSPL first.
They seem to be so evenly matched to me. Lose some and win some at both phones. Please let me know your opinion. Thanks.

For the Camera - it will depend on the situations in which you mainly take photos. For me it is quite often at parties or otherwise in the evenings which IS a situation in which the PureView actually performs better then anything else out there at the moment. If it's mainly well lit shots at least until Nokia tweaks the software it seems we'll see pretty similar performance.
For Sound we have not really seen any measurements of the devices yet but given that Dolby and Beats are on board I believe it should be safe to assume that both devices should at least offer decent quality with optimizations turned off (I tend to believe that's the way to listen to music the way the artists intended because that is why they recorded it that way).
On Support I actually disagree with you - Nokia has been a lot more active when it comes to Firmware Updates and additionally has continuously worked on getting exclusive Apps and other improvements to their phones. I don't see that changing anytime soon. Even if the current Apps don't offer you an advantage yet the next one might - meanwhile we've seen HTC not doing much in that regard.
Weight has been mentioned by some as a criterion to decide between the 8X and the 920 - it might be an issue for you but the additional 20 g over the Titan 1 don't strike me as that big a problem.

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For the Camera - it will depend on the situations in which you mainly take photos. For me it is quite often at parties or otherwise in the evenings which IS a situation in which the PureView actually performs better then anything else out there at the moment. If it's mainly well lit shots at least until Nokia tweaks the software it seems we'll see pretty similar performance.
For Sound we have not really seen any measurements of the devices yet but given that Dolby and Beats are on board I believe it should be safe to assume that both devices should at least offer decent quality with optimizations turned off (I tend to believe that's the way to listen to music the way the artists intended because that is why they recorded it that way).
On Support I actually disagree with you - Nokia has been a lot more active when it comes to Firmware Updates and additionally has continuously worked on getting exclusive Apps and other improvements to their phones. I don't see that changing anytime soon. Even if the current Apps don't offer you an advantage yet the next one might - meanwhile we've seen HTC not doing much in that regard.
Weight has been mentioned by some as a criterion to decide between the 8X and the 920 - it might be an issue for you but the additional 20 g over the Titan 1 don't strike me as that big a problem.
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On the support side, i was mentioning about the Firmware Update (not necessary apps from the OEM). Do they push that without confirmation/testing from AT&T?
HTC also rolls out like almost monthly firmware and ROM upgrade when i still got my World TITAN, but that does not apply with the AT&T version.

I have the HTC and I love it. I've heard from someone who owned both Nokia and HTC (someone at MS) He said he liked the Nokia as a daily driver because of the bigger screen and said that it had better battery life, but liked to use the HTC whenever he went for a run or something of that nature because of it being so slim and light.
-HTC has a lower screen resolution but a higher PPI
-Nokia has a MUCH nicer main camera IMO, however the wide angle front facing on the HTC is really nice as well.
-HTC told me that the 8X would be just as loud as the Surround that I had before, however I didn't really find this to be true, the built in speakers are definitely good enough though. I haven't done a sound test on a Nokia.
I did get an OTA update already however it was really small 1MB<. Someone from Microsoft was telling me that they will have a program that will allow you to receive updates directly from them (kinda like the Nexus) but I wasn't clear on when that was happening (or if it had already happened)
If I had a choice between the two (The 8X was given to me) I would have gotten the Nokia.
Hope that helped at all!

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I have the HTC and I love it. I've heard from someone who owned both Nokia and HTC (someone at MS) He said he liked the Nokia as a daily driver because of the bigger screen and said that it had better battery life, but liked to use the HTC whenever he went for a run or something of that nature because of it being so slim and light.
-HTC has a lower screen resolution but a higher PPI
-Nokia has a MUCH nicer main camera IMO, however the wide angle front facing on the HTC is really nice as well.
-HTC told me that the 8X would be just as loud as the Surround that I had before, however I didn't really find this to be true, the built in speakers are definitely good enough though. I haven't done a sound test on a Nokia.
I did get an OTA update already however it was really small 1MB<. Someone from Microsoft was telling me that they will have a program that will allow you to receive updates directly from them (kinda like the Nexus) but I wasn't clear on when that was happening (or if it had already happened)
If I had a choice between the two (The 8X was given to me) I would have gotten the Nokia.
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Thanks for the reply!
- Do you have more info about the OTA Update for the phone? Are you using the 8X AT&T Version or the World Unlocked Version? Thanks!
PS: it is just still my main concern about the update progress. I have own both AT&T HTC TITAN and TITAN II and i know AT&T is an a$$hole in pushing the update out for the device. It is a deal-breaker for me as a power user and a dev also.

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PS: it is just still my main concern about the update progress. I have own both AT&T HTC TITAN and TITAN II and i know AT&T is an a$$hole in pushing the update out for the device. It is a deal-breaker for me as a power user and a dev also.
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Well Microsoft did say there would be an "enthusiast program", essentially a way for someone who wants updates as soon as possible, to get them, regardless of carrier/phone. Of course until more details about this program are given, we have no idea if it supports all phones or carriers or what restrictions or what not, but I'm inclined to believe that this program should help solve the "where is my update?" issue.
Otherwise, I still think the Lumia 920 is the better choice overall. They are both great phones, but the Lumia 920 just has more going for it, not to mention Nokia's undying support of Windows Phone and their devices. In the short time they've been with Windows phone, they've impressed me with their support and dedication to the platform, more so than HTC has in the past 10-or-so years.
I'll tell ya how the 920 is when I get it today~

Go with the 920!!!
Better camera, better wireless charging, better quality ( NOKIAS are like a Tonka ), more memory and exclusive APPS AND GPS.

My HTC 8x is att branded but it came unlocked so Im not sure where it will be pulling its updates from.
If build quality is a concern, I dropped my htc last night and the screen cracked. It wasn't a big fall either (was laying in my lap and I got up so it fell). Fortunately for me however Im getting it fixed through HTC for free
Hopefully the enthusiast program will be coming out shortly, I really wished I had asked for a time table when the guy was talking to me about that.

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My HTC 8x is att branded but it came unlocked so Im not sure where it will be pulling its updates from.
If build quality is a concern, I dropped my htc last night and the screen cracked. It wasn't a big fall either (was laying in my lap and I got up so it fell). Fortunately for me however Im getting it fixed through HTC for free
Hopefully the enthusiast program will be coming out shortly, I really wished I had asked for a time table when the guy was talking to me about that.
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really? i don't even remember we covered Accidental Damage for the phone. So you dropped your 8X and you got a crack on your screen? Or completely shattered?

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really? i don't even remember we covered Accidental Damage for the phone. So you dropped your 8X and you got a crack on your screen? Or completely shattered?
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I don't think they usually do it, but because I technically had a "review" unit I talked my way through it. lol

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I don't think they usually do it, but because I technically had a "review" unit I talked my way through it. lol
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LOL.
Well, my bro prjkthack just got the 920, i am going to wait for the "go" code from him...
it has been a minus from the 8X for me because i actually saw a review from Engadget today and see the 8X is much more smaller than the TITAN II, much smaller than i thought and i also notice that the bezel on the top of the phone is a lot more than i expected...
Unless i can hand it somewhere for myself, i will have to pass HTC Flagship this wave. The HTC Zenith has been DOA for this wave...

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LOL.
Well, my bro prjkthack just got the 920, i am going to wait for the "go" code from him...
it has been a minus from the 8X for me because i actually saw a review from Engadget today and see the 8X is much more smaller than the TITAN II, much smaller than i thought and i also notice that the bezel on the top of the phone is a lot more than i expected...
Unless i can hand it somewhere for myself, i will have to pass HTC Flagship this wave. The HTC Zenith has been DOA for this wave...
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Yeah that's a good idea. Everything is going to be much small than the Titan lol. If it were me I'd go with the Nokia too, so good choice.

I'd pick the lumia 920. Only be wise if you're goma use your camera alot, especially at night, the 920 will win there in low lighting. Plus you get double the storage at a cheaper price point. The weight isn't as bad as people have made it seem and the Nokia screen is better for watching videos on. It is sharper than the Titan2's screen, and you know personally how good that screen is...
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Thanks guys.
I snatched a 920 today, AT&T version, little bit high off bore for the Without contract, from AT&T, Cyan.
To be exactly, this would be my first time using a flag-ship not from HTC for Windows Phone series... let's see how it goes...
I will wait and see what would HTC bring to the table with the HTC Zenith for the 2nd Wave...
But look like i change phone yearly, lol.

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Thanks guys.
I snatched a 920 today, AT&T version, little bit high off bore for the Without contract, from AT&T, Cyan.
To be exactly, this would be my first time using a flag-ship not from HTC for Windows Phone series... let's see how it goes...
I will wait and see what would HTC bring to the table with the HTC Zenith for the 2nd Wave...
But look like i change phone yearly, lol.
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Good call. Enjoy the 920. Especially when Nokia releases that software tweak to improve the camera in daylight conditions. I am a big HTC fan and it does take some time to get used to a non HTC WP flagship, but as it stands, the 920 is the most premium mix of tech out for gen 1 WP 8.
I think HTC did the right thing by holding off a big screen WP 8. They need a quad core monster in WP 8 to sell. Hopefully it will come out with the Adreno 320 GPU. That would be a killer device in WP for 2013, especially with a 4.7" screen...
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Good call. Enjoy the 920. Especially when Nokia releases that software tweak to improve the camera in daylight conditions. I am a big HTC fan and it does take some time to get used to a non HTC WP flagship, but as it stands, the 920 is the most premium mix of tech out for gen 1 WP 8.
I think HTC did the right thing by holding off a big screen WP 8. They need a quad core monster in WP 8 to sell. Hopefully it will come out with the Adreno 320 GPU. That would be a killer device in WP for 2013, especially with a 4.7" screen...
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Haha, sure man. I will do a review as i used to do with the TITAN vs the HD7. HTC sure as hell did a right thing with the HTC TITAN (4.7 inch + metal body), they need to keep doing that.
I have been teased from the boys on the Design Department that they are working on some sort of "TITAN III" , although i am not allowed to dig deeper on that. I have been waiting for that but seem it is DOA for the 1st Wave, and i believe the 2nd Wave won't hit until next holiday season, so i think i will bite the bullet and take Nokia for a ride.
Basically, sure the Software on both Device gonna be awesome, the main concern is how the Nokia behave, which i don't have any clue yet. But time will tell.
Thanks for the advice. :good:

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Haha, sure man. I will do a review as i used to do with the TITAN vs the HD7. HTC sure as hell did a right thing with the HTC TITAN (4.7 inch + metal body), they need to keep doing that.
I have been teased from the boys on the Design Department that they are working on some sort of "TITAN III" , although i am not allowed to dig deeper on that. I have been waiting for that but seem it is DOA for the 1st Wave, and i believe the 2nd Wave won't hit until next holiday season, so i think i will bite the bullet and take Nokia for a ride.
Basically, sure the Software on both Device gonna be awesome, the main concern is how the Nokia behave, which i don't have any clue yet. But time will tell.
Thanks for the advice. :good:
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Cannot wait for that review. I picked up a Titan for repairs for a friend as a favor and just may end up sending him my Focus S instead and keeping the Titan as a spare.... I too am looking to jump on the Lumia bandwagon, but will go with the 810 since I'm in T.Mobile. Rest assurance if HTC puts out a nicely designed quad core 4.7"+ monster with WP8 in Gen 2, I will switch back...
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There is only one small problem. The 920 now using the microsim card. Can i trust the microsim cutter on ebay/amazon? Any suggestion?

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There is only one small problem. The 920 now using the microsim card. Can i trust the microsim cutter on ebay/amazon? Any suggestion?
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Did they give you a sim card in the box? If they did I'd just have them activate that card and then you just get an adapter to use in any spare phones using regular SIM...
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as i thought, HTC always leaves a back door for hackers to do such thing :|
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1966327
I am on GoPhone service, so i will have to keep my sim... No way to transfer it

The next WP8 Flagship phone?

As per the title suggests, whats the next WP8 flagship phone to be released?
I was really looking at getting the Lumia 920, however its going to be even more old when I upgrade in the next 2 months or so.
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None announced. I don't think the platform has gained enough traction for there to be any new handsets yet. 6 months old isn't that old. It will at least be stable.
There is rumoured to be a new pureview WP8 phone from Nokia, but it will be an odd shape like the Nokia 808 was.

There r some rumours about Lumia 1001, u can search on youtube for some renders and so on... It will have a PV camera like the 808 does, and thats the only certain thing... Nothing else is known.

miodrage said:
There r some rumours about Lumia 1001, u can search on youtube for some renders and so on... It will have a PV camera like the 808 does, and thats the only certain thing... Nothing else is known.
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Lumia 928 is the newest flagship coming to WP8. Due in April. If you wanna stay up to date on WP news, I recommend www.wpcentral.com

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Lumia 928 is the newest flagship coming to WP8. Due in April. If you wanna stay up to date on WP news, I recommend www.wpcentral.com
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The 928 is simply a different version of the 920 with added support for Verizon's CDMA network along with VoLTE capabilities, although it will have an Aluminum shell and be lighter than the 920. But most of the phone internals is pretty much the same.

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As per the title suggests, whats the next WP8 flagship phone to be released?
I was really looking at getting the Lumia 920, however its going to be even more old when I upgrade in the next 2 months or so.
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Computers don't improve gradually. They improve in regular jumps.
Lumia 920 has a MSM8960 processor at its core. This is a 28nm processor. Phones with this 28nm processors have been out only a few months. It will take 2-4 years before ARM processors get produced at sub-28nm.
Intel is currently behind at 32nm, but is planning to shrink faster (2013 for 22nm, 2014 for 14nm). But that is a different architecture and also has some issues (unsupported by iOS and WP8, most Android apps do not run natively).
This will help speed, power consumption, and cost.
At the moment to "improve" (e.g. Samsung Galaxy S4) phones are just getting spurious features (screens with more pixels than the eye can see, cameras with more megapixels than the lens can resolve, additional processor cores that will just sit idle).

Well, I would say that a thinner, lighter, all-aluminum version of the 920 qualifies as improvement. It would certainly make my friends with a 920 jealous. Also the Lumia 720 seems to be 99% of the 920 features at little more than half the price in a slightly smaller, lighter package (with an even better IPS ClearBlack screen).
Sprint is also promising a new high-end Samsung phone this summer, and the rumors of a high-end Lumia camera phone along the lines of the record-breaking Nokia 808 are persistent.
None of this makes the 920 anywhere near obsolete - there will just be more choices. (Trust me - I bought a Lumia 900 last year. I know from obsolete.)