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Why No Shift 2?

I really wonder why HTC decided not to go further with the device? Sure it was underpowered but the concept of it had so much potential in it and with the new CPU's (Intel Atom, VIA Nano, Nvidia Tegra) There should be some sort of squeal to this wonderful device.
All it needed to do was to make Phone calls and it would of been the best all in one device in its' time.
What would of been cool was to have an MID version of it like the Gigabyte M528... take that form factor... put that SnapVue on... have it make phone calls and at least this way we can thumb type with ease!
Am I the only one alone on this??

Watch nVidia.
On their site, advertising the Tegra platform, they have what looks exactly like an HTC Shift as one of the units pictured. Don't know if it means anything but here's hoping. I love mine.
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As far as I know Shift has been discontinued, however no official anouncment on this (Hope I´m wrong) It´s a great device!

more a reality than a dream
vertigo1 said:
On their site, advertising the Tegra platform, they have what looks exactly like an HTC Shift as one of the units pictured. Don't know if it means anything but here's hoping. I love mine.
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NICE FIND!!
after some investigation , it seems that nvidia hav bought the shift technology .. if its true it will become the "ion umpc" from nvidia.
on their tegra platform , i tkink their are using the clio platform, and they use the snapvue side with full display .
on the overview presentation they shoxw the "ion" notebook with htc album in full screen.
wait and see ...
SOURCE:
http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cach...ift&cd=5&hl=fr&ct=clnk&gl=fr&client=firefox-a
AND PLEASE HAVE A LOOK HERE
http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/06/nvidia-tegra-video-demo-in-12w-questions-remain

This is very interesting. I'll be keeping an eye on developments here...

vertigo1 said:
On their site, advertising the Tegra platform, they have what looks exactly like an HTC Shift as one of the units pictured. Don't know if it means anything but here's hoping. I love mine.
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Yes, I did see that photo too but after looking into the Tegra chip set, it sounds like it will only go as far as using Windows CE (which yes that's what Windows Mobile is based on) so if they go this route using the Tegra, I wonder which chip they'll go with for the XP, Vista, or 7 OS (hoping for at least the Intel's new CLUV line of Chips or give us a powerful VIA Nano chip) Last I heard Nvidia did invest in VIA so we'll see if they decide to go any further.
One Major thing beside performance they need to fix is to make the keyboard either thumb typing friendlier or Touch Typing friendly (no more pecking)

Pantaloonie said:
This is very interesting. I'll be keeping an eye on developments here...
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And yes I would like to see more news about it if you find any... if this device had really caught on, I could of seen it as Gadget of the Year across the board.
COME ON HTC! Don't GIVE UP on this Great Concept!

jinvox said:
And yes I would like to see more news about it if you find any... if this device had really caught on, I could of seen it as Gadget of the Year across the board.
COME ON HTC! Don't GIVE UP on this Great Concept!
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I think HTC will surprise with netbook(s) running on top of Windows 7/WinMob and Android.
--Ram--

Wants to upgrade shift...but to what?
I ave enjoyed my shift, especially since the limited liberation, been hoping for a shift 2 which does not seem to be on the horizon (what shame).
Does anyone know of something with such small factor, 2 operatings systems like shift?

hi there
some articles on the tegra devices:
http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-7910-view-Nvidia-MID-device-for-less-than-100-dollars.html
http://translate.google.com/transla...a-tegra-–-osnova-mid-aparativ-tsinoyu-do-100/
http://fr.techcrunch.com/2009/02/17...ement-des-appareils-internet-mobiles-pour-99/
http://www.news-mobiles.com/Nvidia-...t-Mobile-pour-Android-et-Windows-CE_a167.html

Nvidia is releasing tegra by mid 2009 - HTC Shift look alike model
Nvidia is releasing tegra by mid 2009 - HTC Shift look alike model (See Right Side)
http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_tegra_600_us.html

image on NVIDA and releasing mid year
Image on Nvida site , looks exactly like HTC ... and some new devices and also the note that it is releasing mid year

shawankit said:
Image on Nvida site , looks exactly like HTC ... and some new devices and also the note that it is releasing mid year
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I checked the specs for the processors 600 - 800 MHz. The Shift currently has the Intel 800 MHz CPU. I wonder how a newer device can use similar or lower spec CPU unless the device will be supporting WinMo only. Its my guess that the device would not be supporting 2 OSs like the current shift.
By the way would NVidia not be selling the processor only or are they developing the gadget as a whole. If they are selling processor only its upon the manufacturers to develop their own form factor. I think NVidia here is trying to get suitors including HTC to develop a gadget with the Shift external features running Nvidias processor. That sounds more like HTC Advantage 3 and not Shift 2!

You should note that NVidia don't make hardware - they make chips and chipsets that other people integrate into their own platforms. What you are seeing here are probably no more than concept designs of what Tegra powered MIDs could look like, and they just ripped off an image of the Shift, or possibly that HTC have prototyped a Tegra based MID using a Shift chassis.
Note the comment at the bottom of the page linked to earlier:
If you are an OEM, ODM or system builder looking to build NVIDIA® Tegra™-based
devices, please contact us at [email protected] for more information.
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And on the page linked to by the "Shift-a-like":
The NVIDIA Tegra platform combines an NVIDIA Tegra 600 Series computer-on-a-chip with a complete software solution to enable OEMs to quickly bring to market a new class of always-on, always-connected HD MIDs, such as netbooks.
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Regards,
Dave

Well if it's true then it's a giant step, the step that I have been waiting for.
Finally WM can get out of Win 3.11 error modus thats it's currently running in because of the limited resources currently available.
But "shooting and playback 720p HD video" hmmmmmm I'd like to see that

I think that nvidia ion on the picture will not be an arm procesor, when you search for nvidia ion, it find some pages of pico itx boards with atom+gf9400. it wiil be big dissapointment to do this, but i wait hole ethernity for htc shift or htc uni design with power arm procesor and great batttery.

help needed comparing an Apple to an Orange
I have been looking at getting the Shift to better enhance my mobility. I currently have HTC X7500 and love it, but looking to gain the use of Full windows too so I no longer need to carry my laptop and Advantage.
I'm looking for some loyal Shift users advise to get their opinions.
My question is that since the Shift (or Shift 2) development seems to be deteriorating, would a different mobile solution be suggested?
I am also thinking of the HP TX2Z as it has had some good reviews.
Now I know the Shift and HP TX2Z are apples and oranges, but if you could do it over again, which would you choose?
Shift: you get WinMo, GPS and GSM features which are great
HP: you get windows and that's it
I would certainly like to use my mobile device more in WinMo mode (for internet, email, GPS, skyping, and Remote Desktop connection, but if the technology is already 3 years old and look like it won't be developing further, is it worth picking up the device still?
Apples are great tasting, Oranges provide better Vitamin C....hmmm, what to do?
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Bradaland said:
I have been looking at getting the Shift to better enhance my mobility. I currently have HTC X7500 and love it, but looking to gain the use of Full windows too so I no longer need to carry my laptop and Advantage.
I'm looking for some loyal Shift users advise to get their opinions.
My question is that since the Shift (or Shift 2) development seems to be deteriorating, would a different mobile solution be suggested?
I am also thinking of the HP TX2Z as it has had some good reviews.
Now I know the Shift and HP TX2Z are apples and oranges, but if you could do it over again, which would you choose?
Shift: you get WinMo, GPS and GSM features which are great
HP: you get windows and that's it
I would certainly like to use my mobile device more in WinMo mode (for internet, email, GPS, skyping, and Remote Desktop connection, but if the technology is already 3 years old and look like it won't be developing further, is it worth picking up the device still?
Apples are great tasting, Oranges provide better Vitamin C....hmmm, what to do?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/images/smilies/confused.gif
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If you live in the States, get the Sony VGN-P598E
GPS, Verizon WAN, Wireless N and 128Gb SSD RAM with instant-on. Windows Vista Premium with Media Center.
Excellent piece of kit for business and media.

G9 Discussion Thread | Questions | Infos | Answers

Hey,
heres a thread about the brand-new Gen9
Some infos:
Prices:
Archos 101 G9 16 GB - 299$
Archos 101 G9 250 GB HDD - 399$
Archos 80 G9 16 GB - 259$
Some Specs:
Screen Resolution - 1280x800
Android 3.1 Honeycomb
Cpu - ARM Dual-Core Cortex A9 OMAP4 1.5 GHz
RAM - 1GB SD-DDR2
Video Playback - Full-HD (1920x1080p)
Webcam - 720p HD resolution
Interfaces: Usb Host, MicroSd Slot,HDMI output
Built-In GPS,G-Sensor,Vibrator,Compass,Kickstand and a microphone
Weight: Archos 80 : SD - 465g HD - 599g
Weight: Archos 101 : SD - 649g HD - 755g
Official Android Market Support
Support for the Archos 3G USB Stick
Some Photos:
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Archos 80 G9
Archos 101 G9

really digging the Gen9
I'll say what I said at ArchosFans
Just some initial impressions.
I think the design is much improved over Gen8 (assuming that the video posted on their website is an actual design, not just a rendering)
I also like the way that they implemented the 3G stick. I guess this allows them to make one type of device and give users the option to get 3G at a later time. This is better than other manufacturers who came out with 3G versions of their tablets, but made us wait for a WiFi version.
I just saw that the 3G USB stick is also compatible with your PC and you can use one plan for whatever you connect it to. That is AWESOME! I hope it's T-Mo/AT&T bands.
Also, thank God they finally put a full USB on both models. I have an A70 and needed that silly host cable, which I was never able to get.
Webcam is a real plus, and Full Android Market. So is the upgraded processor, though I suspect that it will be a generation behind by the time it is released in September. Tech moves so fast these days. Looks like quad core mobile processors will be in tablets by next year.
I also like the fact that they went with 8 and 10 this time. I have always firmly held that 10 inches is just too big (that's what she said). But of late, I have been longing for a little more screen real estate when browsing the web or watching videos on my A70.
Haters...I mean Engadget did make a good point about Ice Cream Sandwich (herein after referred to as ICS) will be released about a month or so before Gen9's release. I am glad to see Honeycomb, but I look forward to ICS within a couple of months after it's release. I think that's reasonable.
Looks like we have a winner. I will definitely be selling my Gen8 and picking up a Gen9. Lets hope they figure out how to do a product launch without last years debacle.

nice price and features, wish to have 2nd camera, but no big deal.

Techngro said:
Looks like we have a winner. I will definitely be selling my Gen8 and picking up a Gen9. Lets hope they figure out how to do a product launch without last years debacle.
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I`ll wait for the G10 or G11, because i buy my 101 just in januar I really dont want to buy every year a new tablet
i think there will be a chance for porting the Android 3.1 Honeycomb from the G9 to our G8 what do you think about that?

I don't think so, nothing in the Hardware is the same, better to start from scratch

eagleofdeath13 said:
I don't think so, nothing in the Hardware is the same, better to start from scratch
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Yeah, but i also meant that we`ll get the Source Code in Q4 of 2011, and then will be the G9`ers released

i just want honeycomb on my 101

lbhocky19 said:
i just want honeycomb on my 101
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We all do!
But there is a hard way to master this...
And we need the Source Code, which propably will released in Q4 2011

I liked my 7", why did they have to blow it up?
Everyone i know likes the 7" more because it is easier to carry and big enough for everything.
And 4x3 why?
We loose alot on most HD widescreen video's.
And why don't they state how much main memory the have?

fzelle said:
And why don't they state how much main memory the have?
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They dont do it for the Gen8 either..

I think, the Gen9 Design isn't good, but the specs and the price are really great!

Flix123 said:
I think, the Gen9 Design isn't good, but the specs and the price are really great!
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Yep thats what i thought
I dont like the gray "border" they shouldnt change the look i like the gen8 look very much another reason, why i propably wait for G10 or even G11

I like the Design of the galaxy tab. I don't like it, if devices have such a big border around the screen.

Flix123 said:
I like the Design of the galaxy tab. I don't like it, if devices have such a big border around the screen.
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I dont like the style of Galaxy Tab Anyway, we cant argue about likings
Do you want to buy a G9?

Lennb said:
I dont like the style of Galaxy Tab Anyway, we cant argue about likings
Do you want to buy a G9?
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No, because I don't want to spend much money in tablets.
My A70 is like a toy for me, so I will buy me a new smartphone or PC.
I will buy a new tablet, if it will be more useful, like a netbook.

One worrying issue from the Gen8 was the high report rate of screen breakage from normal use (ie not drops). When the screen breaks, you're SOL, since warranty doesn't cover it, and vendors automatically say it's your fault and won't take returns (no I don't want to buy SquareTrade). Unless/until I hear evidence that the Gen9 has better tempered glass than the Gen8, it doesn't matter how cheap the thing is.

fzelle said:
I liked my 7", why did they have to blow it up?
Everyone i know likes the 7" more because it is easier to carry and big enough for everything.
And 4x3 why?
We loose alot on most HD widescreen video's.
And why don't they state how much main memory the have?
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Archos seems to be pretty responsive to the community that they cater to. People have been harping on the lack of app storage space on Gen8 since it was released. I think Archos has learned their lesson and will provide a suitable amount of RAM in the Gen9 this time around. 1 gig will be sufficient I think.
As for design, I think there should be a poll so we can vote on it. I personally think it's ok. They all look the same to me for the most part, so it's what's inside that counts.

e.mote said:
Unless/until I hear evidence that the Gen9 has better tempered glass than the Gen8, it doesn't matter how cheap the thing is.
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I think then you have to wait until the first A9 products are shipping
Im dont gonna buy a G9 either, but just because i dont want to buy a new tab every year

Tempting new devices. Glad they dropped the camera on the back - utterly pointless on a tablet IMHO. Prices look excellent as well (buy 2 instead of one ipad?)
Three things will make my decision for me
1. Is it a genuine full size and properly powered USB host so I can plug in memory sticks and cameras on my travels without a cable?
2. Decent main memory capacity (say 1GB)
3. Good reports from early adopters!

alexbush said:
Tempting new devices. Glad they dropped the camera on the back - utterly pointless on a tablet IMHO. Prices look excellent as well (buy 2 instead of one ipad?)
Three things will make my decision for me
1. Is it a genuine full size and properly powered USB host so I can plug in memory sticks and cameras on my travels without a cable?
2. Decent main memory capacity (say 1GB)
3. Good reports from early adopters!
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1) You have! Maybe even two usb hosts
2) I think they'll bring us at least 512 MB
3) To that i cant say anything

TV Out?

Nexus 7 TV Out?
I'm considering a purchase but like the idea of watching my movies on a hotels TV screen.
So is TV out possible with the Nexus 7 either with an RCA composite output via the 3.5mm headphone socket
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-5M-Long-...#ht_1981wt_689
Or
Using something like this micro-USB to HDMI type connector?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Micro-USB-...#ht_4714wt_922

I was wondering this too,but couldn't findthe answer. with a mod ROM, special software and adapter, will it ever be possible to get any video out of the device?
Nexus 7 16gb, unlocked, rooted, stick drive, trinity 7 kernel, stock OS.

theres no hdmi or any physical way to connect it to the tv yet. The best bet by the looks of it is by using a miracast dongle (which by the way, dont quite exist yet....) its basically another standard similar to DLNA, take a look here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b52zqNIeQso

Another possibility coming out soon is ESRLabs Android Transporter using the Raspberry Pi. My Raspberry will be here today, been wanting one to play with for a long time. Not ETA for the Transporter but hopefully soon.

My RP arrived today!
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That thing is cool.
I've been using Intel Wireless Display (WiDi) to beam my laptop incl. protected blue ray HD movies to my HD TV via belkins wireless adapter.
I wanted something like that for my N7.
I just emailed ETA about it and am awaiting their reply.
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That thing is cool.
I've been using Intel Wireless Display (WiDi) to beam my laptop incl. protected blue ray HD movies to my HD TV via belkins wireless adapter.
I wanted something like that for my N7.
I just emailed ESR about it and am awaiting their reply.
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tektools said:
I just emailed ESR about it and am awaiting their reply.
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Most likely not going to get a direct reply from ESR. The email address they have posted gets you on their Mailing List so when they have something to say they will post via that and their website. Can't imagine how many people are pinging them daily about their project.
I can't wait until they release something. Even at 150ms latency, for what I want to use it for it won't matter (not much of a gaming guy). Latency will have no effect on images, watching videos (netflix, google etc..) on the big screen which is where it will end up.

Another option is the HTC MediaLink.
Billy

JeepFreak said:
Another option is the HTC MediaLink.
Billy
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Doesn't that require an HTC phone though?

Cl8rs said:
Doesn't that require an HTC phone though?
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No it doesn't Jeepfreak is correct it works very well. But it is only for media viewing only. This does not output the N7 screen like MHL!
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Update
Got a reply from ESR! Ahss-sahm!
hi paul,
we received a Nexus 7 last week and are working on it. will keep you updated...
best,
gerd
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Got a reply from ESR! Ahss-sahm!
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Cool. figured they would be inundated.
I setup my RPi this weekend. have it now running headless with a WiFi dongle. Have it setup to work with both a DVI monitor and the big screen via HDMI.
Just streamed a full 1080p movie to the Big Screen from it, though the video was on the RPi not from another source. Output was flawless.
Can't wait to see their software and start doing the same from the Nexus 7.

I dont understand google.
They want to sell movies, but you cant connect it directly to a TFT / TV via HDMI or similiar to watch it on your big screen.
What went wrong there ?
ed.:
(Is it: Buy expensive wireless things from us so you don't need even a cheap dirty cable. ?)

krelvinaz said:
Cool. figured they would be inundated.
I setup my RPi this weekend. have it now running headless with a WiFi dongle. Have it setup to work with both a DVI monitor and the big screen via HDMI.
Just streamed a full 1080p movie to the Big Screen from it, though the video was on the RPi not from another source. Output was flawless.
Can't wait to see their software and start doing the same from the Nexus 7.
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I received my raspberry pi two weeks ago and LOVE it now that I have it running OpenELEC. Unfortunately I ordered from two different companies since the turnaround time sucked and just received the second one. Allied is super hard to get ahold of for refunds so I guess I'm just going to use the second one for the living room as soon as this gets released so I can stream Netflix.
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An USB-storage works with a GTO-adapter and the app Nexus Media Importer.
So for HDMI could there in future maybe also be an app to enable some kind of USB to HDMI-Adapter ?
"As of today, the company says that the shipping build of Android 4.1 Jelly Bean doesn't support the Mobile High-Definition Link (MHL) which would allow it to double as an HDMI port, nor advanced USB On-The-Go (OTG) functionality."
http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/29/3127278/nexus-7-mhl-usb-otg

Aww, looks like no mhl here. The point is that it wud have likely Increased the price. And the whole idea of "Google play" is that you don't HAvE to connect ur Tablet to TV, since all. Movies u bot or rented are available from any device on Google play site. My TV at home is internet enabled like a lot of TV s nowadays, so its easy. Also the reason they didn't bother with the storage ... its all supposed to be "web content viewer" type thing. The problem is WiFi or internet is not as common. Outside of some countries like the us or so.

Very good points.
Playing games wireless on the big screen isn't supported yet, is it?
Here in Europe lot of people don't trust the clouds, as they don't know where their data is stored and therefor by which laws it is protected.
As to me and new TV's including wifi streaming:
I try to buy devices to last very long because of the embodied energy a device needs to get produced.
So until a new device doesn't saves more energy then the old cost, or it stops working, it will be used.
(Most devices need more energy to get produced then they consume in their short living time, not to talk about the toxic byproducts... )
I have also a Mediaplayer with wifi, but it is still more complicated to switch it on and switch to streaming instead of plugging the cord of the TV to the Tablet.
Of course to be wireless is/would be a nice thing, but eg. I wouldnt like to sleep next to the wifi router...

splotz said:
I dont understand google.
They want to sell movies, but you cant connect it directly to a TFT / TV via HDMI or similiar to watch it on your big screen.
What went wrong there ?
ed.:
(Is it: Buy expensive wireless things from us so you don't need even a cheap dirty cable. ?)
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They want you to buy the NexusQ (whenever they decide to bring it out again)

Update! Just released: http://esrlabs.com/android-transporter-for-the-nexus-7-and-the-raspberry-pi/
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46. warDNo
Aw. That looks amazing but having to install custom firmware is overkill. Just got a Nexus 7 and a Nyko blue tooth controller. Little disappointed there's no way to get the display on a television, guess I should have done my homework first

[Q] Ouya or MK908 for HTPC Use ?

Hello,
Since a few weeks I am wondering about what device could I possibly use to play my videos on TV. Basically, they would be videos from ny NAS, with XBMC. Ouya seems like the perfect candidate for it, as it supports XBMC very well and the feedbacks are really good.
But, it is actually 99$. Thought it would be 90$. Well, it's still 10$ more. So as I was ready to order it today, I saw that I can have a MK908 for something like 75 euros.
So XBMX only, maybe install utorrent on it too, so I could sell my Nas and plug a external HDD on the Ouya/MK908: It would became my main media center/download station
What would be the best choice for me ? Thanks

alexagna said:
Hello,
Since a few weeks I am wondering about what device could I possibly use to play my videos on TV. Basically, they would be videos from ny NAS, with XBMC. Ouya seems like the perfect candidate for it, as it supports XBMC very well and the feedbacks are really good.
But, it is actually 99$. Thought it would be 90$. Well, it's still 10$ more. So as I was ready to order it today, I saw that I can have a MK908 for something like 75 euros.
So XBMX only, maybe install utorrent on it too, so I could sell my Nas and plug a external HDD on the Ouya/MK908: It would became my main media center/download station
What would be the best choice for me ? Thanks
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Probably the MK908 or Tronsmart T428. The RK3188 is a lot more powerful than Tegra 3.

Yes I saw that, but the Ouya is actually supported by the XBMC team, where the usb sticks aren't. So this is why I am wondering if the thing would be stable or not, if it could handle 1080p mkv files from ethernet, etc

I have an ouya and its really grown on me, xbmc is very snappy. and it has a native controller and ethernet (too many things can go wrong streaming 1080p over wifi in my experience). So when you think about it thats actually a better deal than those other products.And like the other poster mentioned its an official sponsor for xbmc so you know the native development will be there.

tennisbgc said:
I have an ouya and its really grown on me, xbmc is very snappy. and it has a native controller and ethernet (too many things can go wrong streaming 1080p over wifi in my experience). So when you think about it thats actually a better deal than those other products.And like the other poster mentioned its an official sponsor for xbmc so you know the native development will be there.
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Yeah, the thing that makes the Ouya a bit better for me is the ethernet connection. That and it seems like it would have less heat issues. But the heat issue is kind of a guess on my part. Oh, and Tegra 3 (with associated graphics) is quite a big better than Tegra 2 or the dual core chips. Not so much from the extra cores but the graphics chip improvements.
Then again, it's nice to get pure Android, which Ouya is not (yet).

Well I don't care about pure android, I know that within days or weeks the first stock roms will come for Ouya..
And, yes, the ethernet port is quite important for me as long as I use my NAS(which I'd like to sell to use only the Ouya and an external HDD), but a USB>ethernet adapter is something like 5$ on dealextreme so this is not what'll make a big difference between the two.
Quad core is tecnically better, but tegra 3 is better for everything video-related, is that it ? And yeah , Ouya is bigger then those sticks so no heat problem. If I want it to be on 24/7, that'd be an issue on the usb sticks I think ..

alexagna said:
Quad core is tecnically better, but tegra 3 is better for everything video-related, is that it ? And yeah , Ouya is bigger then those sticks so no heat problem. If I want it to be on 24/7, that'd be an issue on the usb sticks I think ..
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They're both quad core. The Tegra isn't actually better at anything as the RK3188 has a pretty much identical cpu - quad core ARM Cortex A9 and has a Mali 400MP4 gpu which is much faster than the Geforce ULP in the Tegra.
The OUYA does have a big advantage in that it has a fan on it so it'll be more stable. With a stick you could improvise using something like a usb fan but it wouldn't look so pretty.
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I have a MK808 which runs pretty fast and I love it. The PROBLEM is controller support. EVEN if you get more then 1 controller connected, they all read as the same controller. You also have very make-shift support. My Android Stick is AWESOME for $50 but it just doesn't do multiplayer support, which sucks. Even getting a gamepad setup is a pain. Typically requires a custom firmware to include the pad.xo module.
So it depends on what you want to do with the unit. If it is just for watching/streaming video content, whichever is faster. I've had absolutely no issues with gaming on my MK808 dualcore and it handles PSx and N64 games almost flawlessly. The only drag is, again, the multi-controller support and the stock Android user interface can be a pain unless you have a USB Airmouse. OUYA is designed to be controlled via the controller.

Yes, it'd be for the sole use of XBMC- maybe some emulators or download apps but it would not be the main use. Multiplayer support is not needed as I don't intend to use more than 1 controller(I am not even sure whether I'll use the Ouya one or not, except to play emulators but again it is not the main use)

I ordered an MK808 many moons ago for HTPC. But I could never get it to work right, it stopped working altogether with a particular TV (the one I needed it most). Plus, I had to buy a USB-ethernet jack because streaming was weak. Obviously, that's the old model, but you get my drift.
With that in mind, the sticks are decent for video playback. But for native XBMC support and less tinkering, I'd just pay the extra cash for the Ouya. If you don't plan on using the controller, you can probably get around $20-$30 for it on Ebay - haven't looked. Since they're $50 new, I'd imagine you'd get at least 50%. Ouya on Amazon no tax = $99/shipped - $25 for controller = $75 total shipped.
They should expand their platform, I know they really want to be a console but the fact remains *a lot* of people are buying these as Android TV boxes. The other TV boxes run their own platforms. This one allows people to use android apps. Market another SKU that is $79.99 without a controller and comes with a basic remote. Plus, we can just use our Xbox controllers.

You definitely get what you pay for. The Android Sticks are wonderful and powerful enough to do what you want but they are finicky. The MK808 had WiFi issues with the antenna. I had to add an external antenna to get 4 out of 5 bars with it sitting right on top of my router. You also have to find a Android Stick whose chipset is officially supported by XBMC if that is something you want to to.
I believe the MK808 has official hardware-accelerated playback now using XBMC. The Android Sticks are usually much cheaper also, typically around $50.
I am pretty excited about the Ouya but at this time, I can't see paying another $100 to essentially achieve multiple controller support. The MK808 already does everything I need it to aside from allowing multiplayers, which is not only hardware restrictive, but most emulators don't support multiple players either.
I do like how the Ouya's Interface is designed around a controller input though, so it would make it much more enjoyable to use. The Gyro Mouse/Keyboards work well but can be annoying after prolonged use.

I have the MK808, the MK908 stick look exactly the same, base on my experience there is a good chance you might get very poor WiFi performance and need the router very near it. What I found with these devices is the graphical performance somehow isn't optimized so 3D gaming doesn't seem to be as good comparing to the cellphone counterpart with the same hardware. Maybe its better to get the box type with more dedicated ports.
Playing HD videos as long as you can get hardware support and you have a good GPU it can suffice. The Tegra 3 running the hardware accelerated test build of XBMC can handle all the HD contents.

Agreed. The Sticks are great toys but support is scattered. The Ouyas backing hopefully will yield greater support. Eventually the Ouya will see unique development outside standard Android apps. Hopefully it will blossom.
I'm already seeing lots of neat apps and features similar to Nvidia Shield with remote PC play and great regards in terms of performance.
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The MK808 already does everything I need it to aside from allowing multiplayers, which is not only hardware restrictive, but most emulators don't support multiple players either.
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Almost every emulator supports multiple controllers
On subject: from what I have read the MK908 is having some issues playing 1080p smoothly. Something to do with poor drivers from the manufacturer. Its effecting every newer stick running that processor.
The Ouya has handled all 720p fine but 1080p stutters a slight bit. I was watching Gangster Squad last night and its an MP4 coming in at 4gb. It played smooth I'd say for bout 90% of the movie and had some stutters on and off but nothing below like a 5fps drop as measured by XBMC.
In the long run the MK908 and Ouya (anyone else think its hilarious Ouya autocorrects to Libya Lol) both cost $100 and while the Mk908 is more powerful the Ouya will see far more developer support, plus it plays great games. I just wish it supported IR out of the box
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altimax98 said:
Almost every emulator supports multiple controllers
On subject: from what I have read the MK908 is having some issues playing 1080p smoothly. Something to do with poor drivers from the manufacturer. Its effecting every newer stick running that processor.
The Ouya has handled all 720p fine but 1080p stutters a slight bit. I was watching Gangster Squad last night and its an MP4 coming in at 4gb. It played smooth I'd say for bout 90% of the movie and had some stutters on and off but nothing below like a 5fps drop as measured by XBMC.
In the long run the MK908 and Ouya (anyone else think its hilarious Ouya autocorrects to Libya Lol) both cost $100 and while the Mk908 is more powerful the Ouya will see far more developer support, plus it plays great games. I just wish it supported IR out of the box
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I'm sure the majority of the emulators do, but most hardware can't decipher between controller 1 or controller 2 outside a simple setup such as WiiMotes. I've never been able to connect more than 1 dual analog joystick and play properly.
Someone said it best: [paraphrasing] "The Ouya's biggest hand over all others is simply, Multiplayer."

I own both
I own both. Ouya wins hands down. This is based on device build quality and support community. Getting RK3188 sticks just to work properly doing the most basic things can be a real crap shoot.
Though the MK908 has better specs on paper very rarely do these media sticks run full out. Probably due to heat issues.
Currently my MK908 has a major heat problem. So hot i cant even touch it. Just watching Netflix will overheat the stick so it crashes. It got so bad that my power supply melted. I wasn't even over clocking or using a performance profile.
I only bought the Mk908 because the Ouya took so long to ship.
Hope this helps.
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I figured I'd post back, incase you're still wondering about this. I got my Ouya setup for it to be a TV box. Running the CM Experimental build located in the development section has yielded excellent results. Spotify works, Dish Anywhere works perfectly (allows me to stream/watch-live-tv without buying another "Joey" and paying the lease fee). Very stable, very fast.
My Xbox360 USB controller works fine with it, so I sold the Ouya controller. Got $49/shipped for it (*shrug*).
For this to be a good media player, you might want to invest in:
- Powered USB Hub (only has one port), so you can run a mouse + controller / etc.
If you want music without having a TV on (if you don't have a receiver with HDMI), you can get a USB audio chip. They're $8 - apparently the Syba SD-CM-UAUD works with Android. Since this doesn't have an audio out port.

The MOST important question EVER? Can we get AI Upscaling for 2015/2017 SHIELD TV's?

As the title states. We have been seeing just how incredible the new AI upscaling is on the newer 2019 models and I am wondering if we have any Developers here up for the challenge to bring this impressive feature to our original SHIELD TV models please? Below are just two of the reports on AI Upscaling.
Can it be done? Or is this impossible?
https://techcrunch.com/2019/10/28/n...-android-tv-market-with-amazing-4k-upscaling/
https://youtu.be/kmqa3c-oiAk

This is truly the million dollar question. I'd root for to get this if necessary! LOL

taino211 said:
This is truly the million dollar question. I'd root for to get this if necessary! LOL
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Yes me too. Wait I'm already rooted, haha. But yes lets bump this thread every week as much as we can please just to keep the title of this thread visible. I have never seen such a feature like this before. I want this bad, almost bad enough to sell it and get the newer device, which I'm sure is Nvidia's intention, lol. Well I hope they bring it to the earlier devices because my SHIELD TV's Geekbench scores are higher than the new Shield PRO's, thanks to the overclock kernel. It should have no issues, and neither should all the stock devices.

Hope someone will do it because the new shield pro is horrible 16gb of internal storage and no hdd/ssd.

Maybe some developer can port the 2019 rom to work on older 2017,2015....

Yeah Nvidia was smoking crack when they designed the new Shields. If they weren't planning on upping the ram and storage sizes they should have at least left them the same. They have pretty much guaranteed that I won't be upgrading to a new one. My 2015 model is looking better and better as it ages, lol.
With that said, with the new 2019 model having better newer software features I find myself wondering if the 2015/2017 has become EOL for software updates.

Hello everybody, I asked the same question here.
wxy.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/shield-tv/9/325195/ai-upscaling-on-shield-2017-possible/
The answer is unfortunately no.
Well Nvidia wants to sell the new shield yes and that would be for me the only reason to buy.
I hope it is possible with a costum rome also with the 2015/2017 model.
Is AI upscaling a pure software thing or is it only possible with the new Tegra chip?

WK 85 said:
Hello everybody, I asked the same question here.
wxy.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/shield-tv/9/325195/ai-upscaling-on-shield-2017-possible/
The answer is unfortunately no.
Well Nvidia wants to sell the new shield yes and that would be for me the only reason to buy.
I hope it is possible with a costum rome also with the 2015/2017 model.
Is AI upscaling a pure software thing or is it only possible with the new Tegra chip?
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Its probably nothing more than a software thing considering it is using NVIDIA servers to use the power of Cloud computing to do the heavy lifting. This AI feature probably would work on even the weakest of devices, so long your internet latency is low enough. With that said we need more info about the feature before passing judgment.

SkOrPn said:
Its probably nothing more than a software thing considering it is using NVIDIA servers to use the power of Cloud computing to do the heavy lifting. This AI feature probably would work on even the weakest of devices, so long your internet latency is low enough. With that said we need more info about the feature before passing judgment.
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AFAIK you don't have to be online to use the AI upscaling. I've read somewhere that the shield is using a pre-trained model to do the upscaling, that is presumably delivered with nvidias software.
Would be strange if the upscaling wouldn't work without internet, and i can't imagine everyone streaming their videos to a server and back all the time.

Someone to port 2019 Rom to older version... The devices have the same base ..android 9 .The drivers are not the problem...For AI upscaling you no need to be online

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AFAIK you don't have to be online to use the AI upscaling. I've read somewhere that the shield is using a pre-trained model to do the upscaling, that is presumably delivered with nvidias software.
Would be strange if the upscaling wouldn't work without internet, and i can't imagine everyone streaming their videos to a server and back all the time.
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That's my thoughts too, but NVIDIA is advertising it as AI Upscaling using the power of NVIDIA's own cloud computing servers. But I too have difficulty seeing that as the case. But then again, just about everything will eventually be moving to the cloud and there is nothing we can do to stop it. One day all our Operating Systems and Software will be run from the cloud. Its inevitable, especially after Quantum computing becomes a thing and fiber speeds are everywhere at a minimum, lol.

SkOrPn said:
That's my thoughts too, but NVIDIA is advertising it as AI Upscaling using the power of NVIDIA's own cloud computing servers. But I too have difficulty seeing that as the case. But then again, just about everything will eventually be moving to the cloud and there is nothing we can do to stop it. One day all our Operating Systems and Software will be run from the cloud. Its inevitable, especially after Quantum computing becomes a thing and fiber speeds are everywhere at a minimum, lol.
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yes, but i'd just assume that their cloud computing servers were the ones that pre-trained the model, as that is what's so computationally intensive. The shield then just uses that model, and nvidia can still use the fancy new buzzwords for marketing!
But as i said, i don't know these things, they're just assumptions

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yes, but i'd just assume that their cloud computing servers were the ones that pre-trained the model, as that is what's so computationally intensive. The shield then just uses that model, and nvidia can still use the fancy new buzzwords for marketing!
But as i said, i don't know these things, they're just assumptions
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My good friend just got his 2019 Pro today. He wants to figure out how to dump the entire OS image so someone can figure out if its something that can be ported over to our current devices. Meanwhile I'm going to ask him to test AI upscaling without an internet connection by using a 480p local file. I'm thinking 480 would be much earlier for him to notice the differences right away. Makes it easier to spot the scaling tech at work, if you know what I mean. The only reason he pre-ordered it was for this AI thing, lol.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/shield-tv-pro/help/how-to-dump-os-image-2019-shield-tv-pro-t3994891

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if someone can find and upload the firmware ill definitely try

Hi
The up-scaling isn't that good or anything remarkable. I can achieve the same thing upping the sharpness and resolution enhancer controls on the TV to full, which I would never do as it just makes things look unrealistic.
I've turned it off and everything looks more natural and pleasing. Remember you can't add detail that isn't there in the first place. It's all an illusion to our brains that gives the impression it has more detail, but really it has less detail due the processing.
I really wouldn't worry about upgrading 2017 or 2015 Shield just for their "AI" upscaling, besides it only works on 30 frame per second content or less anyway, presumably because it is just a software function that they can't run fast enough for 60 fps, whereas all TVs have dedicated hardware silicon for their sharpening algorithms and cope fine up 60 fps.
Regards
Phil

Yeah this has been becoming apparent with the more reviews we have been seeing. Looks like the 2019 is more of a money grab than anything else. There's no way I would be upgrading to the 2019, just like I didn't upgrade to the 2017.
I have tried over a dozen different Android TV boxes in the last 5 years or so and the Shield TV comes in #1 with the absolute worst picture quality. It's video output is far far far too soft for me. I was just hoping it was finally fixed and had managed to catch up to the other SoC's. That's all. I already have my TV's sharpening filter at maximum to compensate for the shields crappy soft PQ.

SkOrPn said:
Yeah this has been becoming apparent with the more reviews we have been seeing. Looks like the 2019 is more of a money grab than anything else. There's no way I would be upgrading to the 2019, just like I didn't upgrade to the 2017.
I have tried over a dozen different Android TV boxes in the last 5 years or so and the Shield TV comes in #1 with the absolute worst picture quality. It's video output is far far far too soft for me. I was just hoping it was finally fixed and had managed to catch up to the other SoC's. That's all. I already have my TV's sharpening filter at maximum to compensate for the shields crappy soft PQ.
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They didn't even bother to change the case for the "new" Pro or anything. It's exactly the same as the old 2017 Shield, with maybe the exception of the Tegra X1+, which functionally runs at pretty much the same speed as the standard Tegra X1.
What Nvidia is essentially doing with this "upgrade" is charging everyone for the Dolby Vision license by making us buy the same exact hardware 2x!!! They knew their biggest customer request has been asking for Dolby Vision for years and was too cheap to offer it to us for free or at a nominal cost to the end-user.
To hell with the upscaling- it's all software based, and anyone who cares about PQ is going to play back video in native resolution with Kodi and let their TV handle it anyways. I'm much more interested in Dolby Vision (which is also all software based) and Dolby Atmos on Netflix (which Nvidia is purposely locking older Shield owners out of). If someone figures a way to rip the firmware off the 2019 models and get Dolby Vision working on the 2015/2017 Shields, I really don't care if I have to root my 2 Shields to do it. Frankly I'm pissed that Nvidia is forcing us to pay twice for essentially the same exact thing just to get something they could have easily offered as a software upgrade.
FYI- Yes, the Shield's PQ is awful- you're not going to get much improvement with any sharpening filter (AI or otherwise) if the base hardware output is crap. Since Nvidia hasn't appeared to change the 2019's hardware at all, you really can't expect much from it. Just buy a $30 S9xx Amlogic based Android box and install CoreELEC on it for Kodi. You can turn off the built in filtering and it looks AMAZING. You still get lossless audio, etc, etc. I might even spring for a S922x based box when they come down in price.

Hi
The AI upscaling isn't very good in my opinion, doesn't do anything you can't achieve by ramping up the sharpening controls on the TV panel, which we don't do as it just makes for an over-processed and fake looking image. We've turned it off and everything looks better for it. The marketing is the only thing that has worked with AI upscaling, and the demo slider looks good, but all that really demonstrates is what a lot of over-sharpening looks like!
It's all marketing.
Regards
Phil

Wagmans said:
FYI- Yes, the Shield's PQ is awful- you're not going to get much improvement with any sharpening filter (AI or otherwise) if the base hardware output is crap. Since Nvidia hasn't appeared to change the 2019's hardware at all, you really can't expect much from it. Just buy a $30 S9xx Amlogic based Android box and install CoreELEC on it for Kodi. You can turn off the built in filtering and it looks AMAZING. You still get lossless audio, etc, etc. I might even spring for a S922x based box when they come down in price.
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This info has been well known for a long time about the shield tv's PQ, which is why I already went through more devices than I care to admit. But I wanted to find ONE box to rule them all as I only have 3 HDMI ports on my TV, one for the PC, one for the Sat box and one for the Android box. And none of the Amlogic based machines have the grunt snappiness that the Shield has, which is for me the most important of all the features. However, I was thinking of waiting for a S922X device myself just for our local content and youtube but I hate switching inputs constantly.
In order of importance for a single Android box
1. Performance, especially for Emulation gaming and overall snappiness.
2. Widevine L1, because most of my content comes from Netflix, Prime, Hulu and possibly Disney+ soon.
3. Picture Quality out of the box because my TV doesn't do a good job of upscaling on its own.
4. Android TV, because I ONLY use the Smart YouTube app so I have full control over the resolution, bitrates, codecs and adverts which in turns means I am looking for better PQ from my hundreds of subbed YT channels.
I'm hoping to see MINIX release a S922X streaming box (with L1 hopefully), that would be enough for me to try amlogic again, but I am certain it will under perform on other tasks. Like you said you really have to care about PQ to do something like that, and apparently I don't care that much because I'm willing to keep my 2015 shield because of its performance with everything else. I just got tired of the constant purchasing of amlogic devices only to be let down by the UI and gaming performance. Our 3rd gen MiBox in the living room will be my last S9xx device I believe. And for my bedroom I do not see my Shield TV leaving for quite some time unless someone else surprises us with a must have device, or I do a DIY build using the Snapdragon 855 (dead screened 2019 phone) and my brothers incredible 3D printer for a custom Android TV case. Lol

Just to say, a good trained ia can realy be powerfull to bring out detail from a low resolution picture.
Some time ago i processed all the ff7 graphic with an ia named esrgan and here's a sample:
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"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
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As you can see it's not an advanced sharpen at all, it's much more powerfull