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Radio update confusion.

I'm looking to update my Inc. to 2.2 but the ROMs suggest upgrading to radio 2.x. I'm pretty new to this and a little confused by the instructions.
The instructions I'm following are these
How to flash the 2.x radio.
Rooted
1. Download PB31IMG.zip and place it in the root of you SDCARD. Make sure the FS is FAT32, otherwise PB13IMG.zip will not flash.
1a. Link has been updated so you no longer have to apply the VZW exchange OTA.
2. Now go to the bootloader.
2a. Run 'adb reboot oem-42' if powered up or hold Power + Volume Down if your phone is off.
3. It should automatically start loading PB31IMG.zip. Then accept it when it asks you to load it or not (pretty sure Vol Up).
4. You are now completely stock. You should remove PB31IMG from your SDCARD now.
5. Download dinc_ota.zip, rename it to update.zip and place it in the root of your SDCARD.
6. Now boot into recovery and apply the zip.
6a. adb reboot recovery if powered up or Power + Volume Down then select Recovery.
6b. Now hit Power + Volume Up to bring up the Recovery menu.
6c. Now select apply update.zip
7. Go to Settings > About phone > Software information > Baseband version and verify that it's 2.05.00.06.11.
8. Now download and run Unrevoked 3 to reroot and install ClockworkMod recovery.
9. Now you can go ahead and do a Full Wipe then install the Stock Froyo rom.
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I'm actually lost right away with making sure the FS is Fat32, what is the FS and how do I check this
After that I assume I'm rebooting in Bootloader, is there a difference between that and bootin in recovery?
I guess I'm just looking for a walkthrough in lay mans terms.

Maybe format size? When you hook the drive up to the pc, go to my computer, locate the sd card, right click and then format. It gives you an option to format in FAT32, make sure its checked. Then format.
Place the PB31IMG.zip at the root of the sd card.
Go into bootloader and the file will be checked by the phone then ask you if you want to update. Yes.
Reboot.
Enjoy.
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FS == File System. htc_woe_is_me is spot on with what to do.
I believe if you're going to use the 2.15x radio ... you need to make sure you are S-Off using hte Unr3voked Forever tool.
If you're using the 2.05x radio, you should be fine without going S-Off

Okay, lets start with the basics. Fs is file system. There are different types of file systems. Fat32 and ntfs are common. You format your SD card as fat32, cause that is what's best for your phone. The SD card that came with your phone should be good to go. Before you follow these instructions you must be sure to accompolish a few things.
1)First you must be rooted. Unrevoked has the one stop root tool.
2)Next you must perform the unrevoked forever tool. This tool will grant you nand access allowing your radio to be updated..
have you performed these steps?
I Dont want to flood you with instructions if you aren't fully ready yet
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qmartman711 said:
Okay, lets start with the basics. Fs is file system. There are different types of file systems. Fat32 and ntfs are common. You format your SD card as fat32, cause that is what's best for your phone. The SD card that came with your phone should be good to go. Before you follow these instructions you must be sure to accompolish a few things.
1)First you must be rooted. Unrevoked has the one stop root tool.
2)Next you must perform the unrevoked forever tool. This tool will grant you nand access allowing your radio to be updated..
have you performed these steps?
I Dont want to flood you with instructions if you aren't fully ready yet
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Yes both those steps have been completed.

htc_woe_is_me said:
Maybe format size? When you hook the drive up to the pc, go to my computer, locate the sd card, right click and then format. It gives you an option to format in FAT32, make sure its checked. Then format.
Place the PB31IMG.zip at the root of the sd card.
Go into bootloader and the file will be checked by the phone then ask you if you want to update. Yes.
Reboot.
Enjoy.
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I'm on a mac, it says the format of my SD Card is "MS-DOS - Fat16" no sign of how to change it though

jaredkent said:
I'm on a mac, it says the format of my SD Card is "MS-DOS - Fat16" no sign of how to change it though
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Macs are for people that just "want things to work*". If you wish to tinker (ie. learn and have fun), get a PC.
If you REALLY want to get into tinkering/hacking**/learning, skip windows and go straight to Linux. It won't be easy, but you will learn skills that are incredibly valuable***.
* - By that, I mean people that want their computers to hold their hand and think for them.
** - Search for computer hacking on wikipedia before you make any bad assumptions (sorry, I still can't post links).
*** - Why yes, I am a well paid Linux admin with incredible job security, why do you ask?

DracoDan said:
Macs are for people that just "want things to work*". If you wish to tinker (ie. learn and have fun), get a PC.
If you REALLY want to get into tinkering/hacking**/learning, skip windows and go straight to Linux. It won't be easy, but you will learn skills that are incredibly valuable***.
* - By that, I mean people that want their computers to hold their hand and think for them.
** - Search for computer hacking on wikipedia before you make any bad assumptions (sorry, I still can't post links).
*** - Why yes, I am a well paid Linux admin with incredible job security, why do you ask?
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That was the stupidest post I've ever read in my entire life. You're paid too much whatever you do.

I think you can format it thru disk utility. My mac knowledge is very little though, try Googling it?
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jaredkent said:
I'm on a mac, it says the format of my SD Card is "MS-DOS - Fat16" no sign of how to change it though
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qmmartman711 was correct: Go to your utilities folder and open the Disk Utility app. Click on the disk that you want to reformat (it will appear in the left pane). In the right pane there will be options (First Aid, Erase, RAID, Restore). Click on the Erase tab/button. From there you'll see an Entry near the middle of the window that says 'Format' with a drop down list. If it already says MS-DOS(FAT) you're in good shape. Fill in the name you want the volume to have and press Erase.
BTW: In response to an earlier quote about Mac/PC/Linux. Macs are at their core BSD/Unix you can drop down to a shell any time and do whatever you want.

So I formatted it to FAT32 and placed the file in the root of my sd card, the problem is when I run bootloader it doesn't automatically do anything. Both the directions I'm following and the guys in this post say it should automatically open the file but thats not happening.
Any thoughts?

any ideas?

Berzerker7 said:
That was the stupidest post I've ever read in my entire life. You're paid too much whatever you do.
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I agree for the most part I build PC's and only recommend them because It brings in money. I personally use a Mac. I agree that PC's give you more bottom level access but 90 percent of what you can do on a PC you can do with MAC. Dont hate on us MAC users!

Kipphh said:
I agree for the most part I build PC's and only recommend them because It brings in money. I personally use a Mac. I agree that PC's give you more bottom level access but 90 percent of what you can do on a PC you can do with MAC. Dont hate on us MAC users!
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It's not the fact that he hated on Mac users, it's just the specifics of what he wrote. But we digress.

Once you get onto the boot loader (get to boot loader by simultaneously pressing the power and volume up button) and wait a little bit it should ask for confirmation to update phone. Just press volume up button to confirm and there you sucesfully updated your phone.
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I just realized that my phone is no long reading my SD Card, I think after reformatting it, it started with the problems. That might be why it's not picking up the update.
Not I can't put anything on my SD Card when I plug it into my computer, I get a Mac error code -8003. Looks like I ruined my SD Card? Guess I'll pick up a new one, load my back up onto it and just go back to stock.

Why don't you format the card from your phone? That way it will definitely be recognizeable.
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qmartman711 said:
Why don't you format the card from your phone? That way it will definitely be recognizeable.
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That didn't even cross my mind. That worked as easily as you'd expect. I think I'll be restoring it to stock, since I can't figure out the radio thing. With SkyRaider 2.5.2 I tend to have times when 3G just doesn't work at all, and my internet is dead. I'm going to assume that has something to do with the radio upgrade. So I'll just downgrade back to 2.1 and wait it out.
Thanks for all the help guys.

Sorry you had to revert back to stock. Some people claim their radio updates give them better service. Some say less Service... Haha, I have the same service. But anyway, let me know if you wanna try again, skyraider and cm6 are awesome roms, and I'd hate for you to miss out!
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I found a couple great YouTube videos that helped me if you still want to try it. I just rooted for the first time yesterday and I'm loving it.
It won't let me post the link cause I'm new but just search for incredible ota.
There is more to it than just getting into recovery. This guy walks you through it. If you are already rooted there's another file you have to do first PB something.
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[PROJECT] /cache as RAM

Well i had an idea since we don't use the /cache partition, well i don't i was thinking we could use it as RAM.
Any ideas are welcome

LOL no ideas huh.....
Me either.... i wont give up tho i know for sure there is a way...

Hi
If you want a challenge try to get senors working on cm7.
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how would that effect the ability to download market apps if its not available?

mchlbenner said:
Hi
If you want a challenge try to get senors working on cm7.
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Its built on Korean right... lol i haven't even looked at it yet.... i would really like to get a fully 100% kick ass pure android working first.....
Call it a learning experience.
Because everything i know i learned here watching guys like Mz and KhP.
i need to get this finished first..
still imagine unlocking 100mb of ram bro.... cause thats what the /cache is man swap or RAM if i get that unlocked ouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

mrmako777 said:
how would that effect the ability to download market apps if its not available?
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Go away kid you bother me............
no effect.... no relevance for that matter LOL
but maybe you could help me.....
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
And if they did.... what about if they accidentally the whole thing?

mrmako777 said:
how would that effect the ability to download market apps if its not available?
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hellmonger said:
no effect.... no relevance for that matter LOL
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I don't know about that. In other ROMs, with the Dalvik on /cache larger apps, e.g. Angry Birds, wouldn't download (not enough space) when the /cache partition was to full.

You could maybe make a swap file on /cache (and an additional swap file on /data) and throw in some of the other useless small partitions. But that's still going to require fastboot.
I like using /cache for /data/dalvik-cache though and I used to get pretty close to filling it. CyanogenMod is sort of nice in that it will actually split the cache between /cache/dalvik-cache and /data/dalvik-cache with /cache/dalvik-cache holding the system apps and /data/dalvik-cache holding the downloaded cache.

3rdstring said:
I don't know about that. In other ROMs, with the Dalvik on /cache larger apps, e.g. Angry Birds, wouldn't download (not enough space) when the /cache partition was to full.
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I was reading today on reddit that some people divert /cache to the sdcard so that large downloads work. I haven't tried it though.

Mioze7Ae said:
I was reading today on reddit that some people divert /cache to the sdcard so that large downloads work. I haven't tried it though.
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Hmm.. Dunno about this one as well. but I never had that error, and I usually download the ROMs via my phone.

good luck! then we wont have to partition our sd card for swap anymore! possibly better battery life than swap on sd as less power is needed too!

Before you judge I'm running iceandfire 3.0 overclock at 900 and getting 13,566 to 14,000.
This build is stupid fast.
One issue sensors no big deal you can't do it I will find someone who can.
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hellmonger said:
Go away kid you bother me............
no effect.... no relevance for that matter LOL
but maybe you could help me.....
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
And if they did.... what about if they accidentally the whole thing?
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Like 3rd string mentions, cache size determines the size of an app you can download from the market as the market uses /cache as a repository to download/install apps...at least that's what I've noticed
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mchlbenner said:
Before you judge I'm running iceandfire 3.0 overclock at 900 and getting 13,566 to 14,000.
This build is stupid fast.
One issue sensors no big deal you can't do it I will find someone who can.
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come on he wasnt saying he did not want to help... cant you read what Hellmonger said carefully? anyway, wouldnt it be good if you could use cache as swap? makes things more complete now that there are already so many good roms for our phone. since we are almost making 2.2 perfect, why not just do a little more, instead of leaving it there and starting to work on 2.3 where theres much more work left to do...

So i think Mz has the right idea..
But do we really have to set it up as swap the whole point ois to get this set up as ram so we dont have to fast boot anymore....

mrmako777 said:
Like 3rd string mentions, cache size determines the size of an app you can download from the market as the market uses /cache as a repository to download/install apps...at least that's what I've noticed
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The app will be downloaded to /sdcard/Download folder

kernel dont have swap support, so you can't use it from kernel layer. maybe you may find some swap functions in dalvik virtual machine layer, but I don't sure is there any

fjfalcon said:
kernel dont have swap support, so you can't use it from kernel layer. maybe you may find some swap functions in dalvik virtual machine layer, but I don't sure is there any
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still no luck...
my goal is to stop the whole fastbot thing and use that cache partition as RAM, i already know how to set the download cache directory to SD card
on my ROM it's already implemented...
/cache as Ram.....

We really need to pull our bootloaders and decomplile them to see if there's a way to do the fastboot ourselves. The people that have looked the hardest at the bootloader are on Milestone A853, but according to them they don't have a working "fastboot boot" so that code pathway is missing from their studies.
What we need to find out is what the pathway through the bootloader is that ends up with booting a custom boot.img from RAM (i.e. does fastboot boot go through the entire boot stack or not and if it does how does it convince it to skip the check). In other words I have two mental two models for how fastboot works:
Model 1
Start boot process
Read flags that direct boot to fastboot
Load and execute fastboot bootloader
fastboot reads kernel from USB into memory
fastboot continues boot using the kernel in memory
Model 2
Start boot process
Read flags that direct boot to fastboot
Load and execute fastboot bootloader
fastboot reads kernel from USB into memory
fastboot sets up the phone for boot of the memory-loaded kernel
fastboot restarts boot process
Read flags that direct boot to load and execute the kernel from RAM
So the question is which one is correct? Does fastboot boot continue the current boot process, or does it alter the next boot? That's the big question. If it's model 2, here's an outline for a possible attack:
Attack for Model 2
Normal boot of blessed kernel through sh_hijack.sh
hijack loads a new kernel from the phone into memory
hijack sets up the phone for boot of the memory-loaded kernel
hijack set boot flags for fastboot boot
hijack restarts boot process
Boot memory loaded kernel
So how do we figure out if XT720 uses #1 or #2?
FYI: these are the A853 decompiled bootloaders: https://gitorious.org/droid/reversed (see the asm folder inside the source tree--we need this for XT720 so that we can understand what fastboot boot is doing)

I believe a 2nd had beem complied but it would not boot radio and we don't have a baseband made.
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Android system

Just out of curiosity what would happen if someone deleted the android system from their phone?
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It wouldn't boot

I tried formatting /system from my device. It did not boot and had to be reflashed all over again.
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Captainfrost said:
Just out of curiosity what would happen if someone deleted the android system from their phone?
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Absolutely his device would be empty/useless/junk/piece of crap, call it what you want, but this is what would happen.

why would any one do that??

Gauravpreetsingh said:
why would any one do that??
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HA, my thought exactly!!

What if you Force Stop it. What would happen then ?

sufy1000 said:
What if you Force Stop it. What would happen then ?
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Most likely your phone would reboot
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You can't force stop it, or uninstall it for that matter. Its a system service, and only the kernel can stop and start it.
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I'm on root
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I'm on root
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Ok, so there is a way to delete the android os (i've done it before) it's ok until you reboot.
Then short of flashing your phone using wotan server or flashtool, you have bricked your phone.
Is there a point to removing the android os? No!

paxChristos said:
Ok, so there is a way to delete the android os (i've done it before) it's ok until you reboot.
Then short of flashing your phone using wotan server or flashtool, you have bricked your phone.
Is there a point to removing the android os? No!
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no there isn't think about it can you delete windows in windows?
can you delete linux in linux?
can you delete android in android?
can you flash the bios from the bios?
NO NO NO NO although the bios is flashed without needing a OS it isnt flashed from the bios.
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Xperia-Play said:
Absolutely his device would be empty/useless/junk/piece of crap, call it what you want, but this is what would happen.
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not really depending on the device you could easily fix it.

fma965 said:
no there isn't think about it can you delete windows in windows?
can you delete linux in linux?
can you delete android in android?
can you flash the bios from the bios?
NO NO NO NO although the bios is flashed without needing a OS it isnt flashed from the bios.
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Actually with Linux, yes, you can (sent you a pm with the code for it ). su is ridiculously powerful.
And if I remember right, can't you call fdisk/format in command prompt and format the disk windows is on while running windows (atleast you could when windows still had a full-fledged DOS installation)
Flashing bios is a little bit different, but I know Asus netbooks have the option to flash an updated Bios in Bios (using a USB drive)
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Captainfrost said:
Just out of curiosity what would happen if someone deleted the android system from their phone?
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What would happen is that you would have an ability to install others opertaing systems (Windows phone - iOS - MeGoo ... etc) instead of android operating systems.
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Xperia-Play said:
What would happen is that you would have an ability to install others opertaing systems (Windows phone - iOS - MeGoo ... etc) instead of android operating systems.
For more information, click on the { SOURCE }
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Nope, because the /boot partition would still be intact, and the ramdisk would still try to boot Android (leading you to the splash screen after the boot screen just cycling endlessly)
Edit: actually on the Casio commando, it has a Nice little Verizon logo and "now loading" stuck on it.
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Dream within a dream within a dream...
Hmm why is it that this topic is reminding me of Inception and the dying in a dream argument?
Secondly...why bother deleting Android from the phone when you can customise the thing so much to make it look like any other OS you want, be it Windows, iOS, etc?

paxChristos said:
Actually with Linux, yes, you can (sent you a pm with the code for it ). su is ridiculously powerful.
And if I remember right, can't you call fdisk/format in command prompt and format the disk windows is on while running windows (atleast you could when windows still had a full-fledged DOS installation)
Flashing bios is a little bit different, but I know Asus netbooks have the option to flash an updated Bios in Bios (using a USB drive)
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ok well i no **** all about linux other than how to install in on a ps3/360 and original xbox aswell as obviously a computer.
bios most likely isnt flashed from with in a bios as i have a asus motherboard which boots in to a second like bootable memory place thing and then flash the bios. i would say it is dual bios but it cant be since that is patented by gigabyte
tell me the windows command and i will try it

fma965 said:
ok well i no **** all about linux other than how to install in on a ps3/360 and original xbox aswell as obviously a computer.
bios most likely isnt flashed from with in a bios as i have a asus motherboard which boots in to a second like bootable memory place thing and then flash the bios. i would say it is dual bios but it cant be since that is patented by gigabyte
tell me the windows command and i will try it
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Ok, thanks for that info about the Asus mobos, that makes sense.
the windows command are either format or fdisk, but like I said they might not work so well on modern systems (i.e. XP and up, because I don't think they have a full fledged DOS install...)
Out of curiosity, have you ever played around with a rolling release distro? I have arch, and I'm constantly updating the kernel, so while I'm not "deleting Linux" the kernel updates do remove the old one, and replace on boot...
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I remember when someone asked me how to compile CyanogenMod:
I told them (as a joke, they didn't really do it thank god) to do:
sudo su
rm -r /
Of course if they didn't know what this meant, they shouldn't want to know how to compile CM.
Ah, that's what. If I have time I will make a post with instructions on how to compile CM7 for the Play
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No I didn't delete the system in case you where wondering I just started this out if curiosity
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Windows 8 Release Preview upgrading

how can i upgrade to Windows 8 Release Preview without erasing hard drive?

you need to make a separate partition and then install windows 8 via usb stick or cd.

dual boot installation
dual boot installation is the best way to go. partition/shrink a part of your hardrive and start installing ur windows 8 onto that.

The installation doesn't erase unless you tell it to, it moves everything to C:\Windows.old (it does this even if you pick "keep nothing")
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ShadowEO said:
The installation doesn't erase unless you tell it to, it moves everything to C:\Windows.old (it does this even if you pick "keep nothing")
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indeed, although the wording does make you wonder if it will or not!

dazza9075 said:
indeed, although the wording does make you wonder if it will or not!
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I know, I went to install it, it looked through my installed stuff than gave me the keep nothing and I was like FUUUUUU-!
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[Q] My Android OS is not fucntioning.

I am running on MIUI Android 2.3.9 and it is a mess, it kept popping up error messages "Google framework" and i dont have any google services, such as Play Store, Gmail, and i cant receive SMS, and my bluetooth also not functioning, and cannot delete anything from the SD card from the phone, i have to take out the SD card and plug it in into a computer just to delete music,video and pictures.
Was hoping to change for a new OS, but the problem is my usb port is also not functioning. I even have to charge my battery using a third party charger.
Is there anyway i could change my OS with using the usb port. Can i use the SD card instead to do all the works.
And if can, what OS should i get and how.
Dear good Sir, PLEASE HELP, im a complete NOOB. I know nothing about phones and how to mod it. The one who helped my change my phone from Windows to Android is a phone shop, that now doesnt do it anymore.

Search for clk 1.5 This can be installed from the sdcard and will also Install a version of recovery.From the clk menu you can partition your nand to the required size for your chosen ROM. Read carefully and you will be fine.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=20519266
There you go. .
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If you mean change ROM, then you can do what Shanman posted. If you mean actually change OS from android to Windows Mobile 6.5 (a stock ROM), you'll have to flash a LEOIMG.nbh in the boot loader (Google how to do this). If you want to flash Windows Phone then I'm afraid I don't think there's any way to do that.
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shanman-2 said:
Search for clk 1.5 This can be installed from the sdcard and will also Install a version of recovery.From the clk menu you can partition your nand to the required size for your chosen ROM. Read carefully and you will be fine.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=20519266
There you go. .
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Thank you dear sir. I think that'll help. Thank you so much.