[Q] Video Performance - Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General

I saw there are different way to improve video performance on W.M.
I read on Internet that my device has Adreno 130 GPU or GoForce 5500 (different sources).
---Driver Pack (2d and 3d)(by Neos)
---Turbo 3d and GfxBoost (3d)(by Chainfire)
---Diamond ATI Drivers (I don't remember)
1---Which of them impove video performances in the best way? Which give best results in benchmarks?
2---Can I install all? (I think no: it will apply only one of them...)
3---Maybe also the type of CPU change something? (arm/xscale)
4---Do you know other softwares like these?

Mich-C said:
I saw there are different way to improve video performance on W.M.
I read on Internet that my device has Adreno 130 GPU or GoForce 5500 (different sources).
---Driver Pack (2d and 3d)(by Neos)
---Turbo 3d and GfxBoost (3d)(by Chainfire)
---Diamond ATI Drivers (I don't remember)
1---Which of them impove video performances in the best way?
2---Can I install all? (I think no: it will apply only one of them...)
3---Do you know other softwares like these?
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Hi! Seeing your device uses either an Andreno or GoForce GPU (figure that out first, btw. Really important if you want to improve it) I'm wondering, which device are we talking about?

NeoS said:
Hi! Seeing your device uses either an Andreno or GoForce GPU (figure that out first, btw. Really important if you want to improve it) I'm wondering, which device are we talking about?
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I have a Toshiba Portege G910.
I read that a guy installed your driver pack on it and performance are a bit better.

Ah, the Portege. Yes, this device could potentially benefit from the driverpack.

NeoS said:
Ah, the Portege. Yes, this device could potentially benefit from the driverpack.
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Thanks Neos.
Can you answer my question in my 1st post? (Are Chainfire's apps better then yours? )

I'm not sure if GFXboost and Turbo3D work on the MSM7200 chipset. If I recall correctly, @Chainfire 's apps are made on and for the MSM7201A chipset?
The driverpack is a collection of tuned driver files, which give a better performance on most MSM7200 devices. Chainfire's apps are applications to boost performance in 3D OpenGLes. (correct me if I'm wrong, though)
And the only way to be sure, is to test it for yourself. :good:

NeoS said:
I'm not sure if GFXboost and Turbo3D work on the MSM7200 chipset. If I recall correctly, @Chainfire 's apps are made on and for the MSM7201A chipset?
The driverpack is a collection of tuned driver files, which give a better performance on most MSM7200 devices. Chainfire's apps are applications to boost performance in 3D OpenGLes. (correct me if I'm wrong, though)
And the only way to be sure, is to test it for yourself.
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I was joking.
So does it matter the type of CPU and not the type of video/graphics card...
I will try both softwares but I will do an Hard Reset bewteen their installation because I don't want to mix different things.
I will use GLBenchmarks to do benchmarks.
Anyway Chainfire doesn't answer me.
I only installed GFXboost but i have an error "Unable to find concurrencemgr.dll"

NeoS said:
I'm not sure if GFXboost and Turbo3D work on the MSM7200 chipset. If I recall correctly, @Chainfire 's apps are made on and for the MSM7201A chipset?
The driverpack is a collection of tuned driver files, which give a better performance on most MSM7200 devices. Chainfire's apps are applications to boost performance in 3D OpenGLes. (correct me if I'm wrong, though)
And the only way to be sure, is to test it for yourself.
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I ask you because you have a lot of experience about these things.
Your driverpack improve DirectDraw (2d) and Direct3d (3d).
How can I also improve : API / GAPI / GDI / Qtv Display / OpenGL ?
Other phones have update versions.

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Overclocking - is it possible?

i am wondering if there is any possibility to overclock the cpu of the HD as it was possible on old HTC devices with omap processors?
i often found the HD to be very slow and i would like some more speed 9as probably most of us)
would it be adviseble to overclock it?
thanks for any useful info!
would be very cool! i bet htc is running it in a ridicolous safe speed =)
no infos on that matter?
any tech guy with some more experience?
nobody?
i did some research in to the matter, and there are some things that can be changed but i believe its just timeings, at the moment it would appear that you can not adjust the clock speed its self.
Also, changing the timings seemed to have a negative affect on stability, id imagin that whilst the clock speed may be running low, the timings are about as tight as you can get.
anyone tried using Pocket Hack Master yet?
will try it out tonight
I tried it but it didn't work. May not have been the right version perhaps.
It was a few weeks ago so I can't remember what actually happened when I tried it sorry.
there is a dynamic overclocking software for specifically qualcomm chipset. it's good anyway.
JohnQ said:
there is a dynamic overclocking software for specifically qualcomm chipset. it's good anyway.
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Don't be coy. Let us in on the action
JohnQ said:
there is a dynamic overclocking software for specifically qualcomm chipset. it's good anyway.
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i wonder what software that would be?
can you point it for us? any details about it? would it be dangerous for HD integrity?
just installed it, then bells rang..... ur processor is not supported, looked rubbishw when the app loaded up. all distored, defiantely not meant for our wvga. Soooooo whats this qualcom overclocking software... i will explore google see what i can find.....
id give up, i searched for ages to no avail, i believe the only thing that can we tweaked are various timings but it seems that almost any attempt improve these results in instability and crashing.
I'm not really interested in overclocking, but I saw this thread and remembered I saw somewhere else some info on this subject.
Perhaps this is something to try:
http://www.htc-touch-info.com/en/overclocking/
Updated: March 2, 2009
WTF?!?!?!anyone tested stability of the 2 day old version?
HappyLlama said:
I'm not really interested in overclocking, but I saw this thread and remembered I saw somewhere else some info on this subject.
Perhaps this is something to try:
http://www.htc-touch-info.com/en/overclocking/
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This won't work - the Touch HD has a Qualcomm processor NOT an OMAP
Yes Please let us in on the action
well, i've saw this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=507798&highlight=overclock , but you guys read carefully, its apeears to be no effect, through if it has, every processor u overclock have its life shortened...i've a blue angel, 400 mhz working at a 200~530, xscale processor can do this (change it's frequency accordinto to the necessary) but i wond the Qualcomm ones do the same (according to the post appears to not, but it's no cleary).
everyone may say...so all you said righ now is a load of crap... Thats not, i'm just sharing wat i've discovered until now, since i've gone to blackstone few day ago.
Blackstone is slow?? I'm about to get it in several days. Please enlight me when comparing blackstone with Hermes (currently using). Thanks
damikey said:
Blackstone is slow?? I'm about to get it in several days. Please enlight me when comparing blackstone with Hermes (currently using). Thanks
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i think most if not all winmo is slow but i love it still lol

Looking for a 3D rematch, results after NEON

I'm sure you're all familiar with this benchmark test:
http://distinctivegame.wordpress.com/2010/02/09/dd-tech-talk-1-nexus-versus-iphone-3gs/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYqZK25KU3U
Its not a fair fight because:
1)The stock Android 2.1 OS does not utilize the new NEON instruction set yet.
2) the iphone is running at 480x320 where as the N1 is at 800x480. (i.e. the Nexus one's resolution is 2.5 times that of the 3GS...meaning atleast 2.5x the amount of processing). He did try running the game at 480x320 but got similar results with more fighters
Can someone with a new Custom ROM (compiled with NEON included) like the latest Cyanogen ROM, run this test again and let us know what you find.
update: Since nobody knows which game this is, lets try the free app "NeoCore" from the market so we see what kind of a difference NEON makes.
NeoCore. Dec 30/2009 Nexus One. 26.7 FPS
http://www.slashgear.com/google-nexus-one-3d-neocore-benchmark-video-3067327//
This is a weapon iphone users keep using against us and we need to set the record straight! (like the screen colors fiasco)
ps: I Do not know which game this is.
update 3/12/10, NeoCore gives me 27.1 FPS at 800x480 with my CPU at 1113Mhz
I'll be happy to run some tests if you can supply the correct link. I saw nothing but a long review(?).
Your link points at an HD2 vs. N1 shootout from Phonedog. Is this the video you are talking about?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYqZK25KU3U
flarbear said:
Your link points at an HD2 vs. N1 shootout from Phonedog. Is this the video you are talking about?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYqZK25KU3U
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Yes! thanks
I'd be happy to run it if someone can give me a link to the benchmark program used.
It is very odd that the app/tool they used is mentioned nowhere.
A little googling for iPhone benchmark apps showed me that "GLBenchmark" has no android version, same with "Mad Monkey Tech"
There is a "NeoCore" free utility on the market though. Maybe we can at-least get some Neon/NonNeon FPS values.
Dec/2009 Nexus One. 26.7 FPS
http://www.slashgear.com/google-nexus-one-3d-neocore-benchmark-video-3067327/
I would very much be interested in the results as well..
Well I just ran neocore on cm 5.0.4.1 and it gets the exact same score. I'm pretty sure the app has to be compiled with neon support.
I got 26.0 FPS, stock ROM.
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Well I just ran neocore on cm 5.0.4.1 and it gets the exact same score. I'm pretty sure the app has to be compiled with neon support.
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I'm not sure if the app needs to be compiled specially in order to explicitely use the hardware FP instructions, or if the OS uses it automatically when enabled
NeoCore: 26.5 fps with sound, CM 5.0.4.1 with matching .33 UV kernel.
Well in the review linked in the original post it sounds like you need a compiler that uses the neon instructions as well as os support in order to take advantage of them. Isn't that how floating point extensions usually work i.e. mmx sse etc?
NeoCore gives me 27.1 FPS at 800x480 with my CPU at 1113Mhz. (UV/OC .32 kernel from 3/10, with NEON)

Please share your FpseCE configurations for best performance on the Titl2

Hi!
Anything you can share like ini file or maybe some specific driver you are using etc would be nice.
After seeing FpseCE in the HD2...I was blown away how much faster it is even with my phone OCed to 768Mhz.
Thanks!
Dude are you running the newer At0m d3d driver?
I am using the Energy ROM so I am not sure if it is there already...I know there is a GFX BOOStER option but yes I tried the Atom driver as well and I did not see any difference.
Did you?
Ya definately, FF7 runs at 60fps OC'd to 787mhz with the at0m d3d driver.
Audio is still **** tho and pocketiso doesnt seem to find any of the audio streams to rip and compress... idk how to do it man

HD2 Adreno 200 GPU

Guys,
just 2 quick questions,
I've noticed various Roms which state the GPU+ Patch (2D+3D) to improve the graphics performance, is this already applied on the HD2 Roms, if no, then is it possible to apply it to the HD2 Android Roms?
also,
I've just noticed a HTC Sensation Rom ...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1098849
Which states that the 3D engine is Overclocked to boost performance, is this possible for the HD2?
regards
it will be great for ours HD2's!!
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raziel123 said:
Guys,
just 2 quick questions,
I've noticed various Roms which state the GPU+ Patch (2D+3D) to improve the graphics performance, is this already applied on the HD2 Roms, if no, then is it possible to apply it to the HD2 Android Roms?
also,
I've just noticed a HTC Sensation Rom ...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1098849
Which states that the 3D engine is Overclocked to boost performance, is this possible for the HD2?
regards
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any answers Mods/Guys?
issnt Chainfire 3D already slightly doing that, but its more off utilizing RAM instead of CPU though...
jcsy said:
issnt Chainfire 3D already slightly doing that, but its more off utilizing RAM instead of CPU though...
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I don't think so JCSY ... Chainfire 3D Emulates the functions of Adreno/Tegra chipsets etc
it does not overclock the Adreno 3D Engine/processor speed. and as far as I have found, it is not intended to Boost 3D performance of the Adreno Chip through tweaks ...
regards

Performance issue [sorry if the section is wrong]

Hello,
I'm sorry if i'm annoyng with my problem (i posted the same thing in a different thread, but pointless), but I didn't find a solution.
Ok then, i have the following problem: I noticed that i have a relatively low performance in some demanding games, like Modern Combat 4, or Dark Knight Rises. Allright, i decided to install a new kernel that allows me to modify the frequencies, so I tried Trinity alpha4 (the last prelease version, donno exactly). After overclocking (CPU at 1700mhz and GPU at 750mhz), i did some comparisons. In ES Basemark, before OC my device was able to run the benchmark with an average of 13.05. After OC, fps was almost 20 (19.70). As I have seen, this tablet is able to obtain a higher score, somewhere around 28 fps.
My question is (are):
1. What should I try to improve this crappy performance?
2. Could be a hardware issue, or it's just software's fault?
3. Is there any difference between my version (32gb WiFi) and 3G?
4. Again, what should I do? I'm tired of trying different roms and kernels.
Thank you very much!
1. you can oc your gpu with trinity kernel
2. your score is normal, even better than most. use a different benchmark app, and youll get different scores.
3. there are differences, but they don't affect your es basemark score.
4. enjoy your device. if its gaming, play tegra3 optimized games
simms22 said:
1. you can oc your gpu with trinity kernel
2. your score is normal, even better than most. use a different benchmark app, and youll get different scores.
3. there are differences, but they don't affect your es basemark score.
4. enjoy your device. if its gaming, play tegra3 optimized games
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1. I use Trickster Mod. I think it does the same thing like Trinity Kernel.
2. I noticed (to other devices) that the performance is scaling better with increasing GPU frequency. Theoretically, I was supposed to get an average of 28 fps with my clocks, but instead, my device does not pass 20.
PS: Is there any way (application, mod, kernel etc) that would allow me to edit graphics quality for Tegra 3? Something like chainfire3d.
Forgive me for being so insistent, but I really need some help. Please.
ivGr said:
Forgive me for being so insistent, but I really need some help. Please.
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Have you tried installing custom Roms? By the way, try installing M-kernel and use Performance governor if you are into gaming. Also, some games are just not optimized for Nexus 7, like the Dark knight game. It lags so much on many platforms, not only N7.

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