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How annoyed are you by MTP?

I am thinking of getting the M, but it appears the device uses MTP when you connect it a PC. I am coming from ThunderBolt, and certainly enjoyed simply mounting the SD card in Windows, then copying whatever I wanted in and out. I even recovered some files that I accidentally deleted. I would also copy files to the phone for books (in random formats) , apps (apk), videos, photos etc.
Judging by the name I would guess you can copy MP3s to phone under MTP. Can you copy other types of files? Is there a way to just mount the internal storage in Windows? Thanks!
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You should be able to copy everything, if you double click on the device in Explorer (on Windows, anyway). It should give you a display of all the folders on the device, I think.
But yes, MTP sucks. For whatever reason, it simply doesn't work with my current phone. Even on a fresh clean install of Windows 7, the driver will not install, and this is seen across multiple computers, stock ROMs and custom ones. I haven't been able to transfer data to or from my phone using the USB cable in ages. I can do it over WiFi, thankfully, and I can also just pop out the microSD card if needed, but MTP still frustrates me to no end.
It works with my tablet just fine, though, so it's the Motorola driver that's messed up.

Engadget review also reported a failure to install drivers for MTP on one of their test machines, despite best efforts to trouble shoot.
Is there even a benefit to MTP? To me it sounds like pure pain.
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cowisland said:
I am thinking of getting the M, but it appears the device uses MTP when you connect it a PC. I am coming from ThunderBolt, and certainly enjoyed simply mounting the SD card in Windows, then copying whatever I wanted in and out. I even recovered some files that I accidentally deleted. I would also copy files to the phone for books (in random formats) , apps (apk), videos, photos etc.
Judging by the name I would guess you can copy MP3s to phone under MTP. Can you copy other types of files? Is there a way to just mount the internal storage in Windows? Thanks!
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Why would you be annoyed at all, you can just mount the device as Mass Storage (just like the Thunderbrick) and move files that way. MTP is not an issue.

jimmydafish said:
Why would you be annoyed at all, you can just mount the device as Mass Storage (just like the Thunderbrick) and move files that way. MTP is not an issue.
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That's the answer I was hoping for, thank you! One last question : how do you mount the device as mass storage, using the standard Android dialog that shows up in the notification bar?
Please be patient with me, I don't have the phone yet.
Finally, my Thunder hasn't bricked yet, but it's getting close...
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cowisland said:
That's the answer I was hoping for, thank you! One last question : how do you mount the device as mass storage, using the standard Android dialog that shows up in the notification bar?
Please be patient with me, I don't have the phone yet.
Finally, my Thunder hasn't bricked yet, but it's getting close...
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It simply gives you the option when you plug it in - you can choose to mount it as usb storage, or mtp.

jntdroid said:
It simply gives you the option when you plug it in - you can choose to mount it as usb storage, or mtp.
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Not anymore! Since the JB update, the USB mass storage option is gone! This pisses me off since I need that to connect to my vehicle's audio system. WTF would they remove that feature?!

Yeah. It makes me angry... I hate mtp. Gawd Google y u no usb mass storage?!? ¡¿¡
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I've never had this problem -- until I upgraded to KK. Now my work PC will not allow me to install the MTP driver. Haven't tried yet on my home pc, but I am not optimistic. Come on! Some genius hacker dude out there has to have figured this one out by now!

Wi-Fi file explorer is my method of choice.
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I do not get it. My Maxx mounts what appears to be MTP but when in click on the phone icon in Win7 (actually Parallels desktop on a Mac) the internal SD is mounted! Just like before. That is with 444. So is 442 way different on the older msm8960s?
Now on a Mac it is doodoo.

I can access both SD cards from PC without any problem in MTP mode. I installed the drivers while I was on JB I think

mrkhigh said:
Wi-Fi file explorer is my method of choice.
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I used to use that on my old phone but forgot about it. I'll have to give it another go. Thanks for the reminder.

Can we mount internal storage within a custom Recovery?

When I'm in TeamWin or Clockwork I cannot find a way to mount the internal storage (the 8GB or 16GB) of the Nexus 4 so I can copy files onto it from my PC.
Have been able to do this with my past two phones, One X and the HTC Desire (usually an option called Mount USB storage).
Can anyone do this, or is there some sort of limitation right now on the Nexus 4? I'm using Windows 8 which has given me headaches installing drivers, but fastboot works fine at the moment.

Bump as I reworded my question to something completely different than it was before :good:

No you cannot. You can push or pull files with adb though.
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El Daddy said:
No you cannot. You can push or pull files with adb though.
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Thanks so much, I've been tearing my hair out for hours installing/reinstalling drivers on Windows 8.
Is this something to do with the Nexus 4 not supporting OTG? As the One X has internal storage (32GB) and I was able to mount it through USB okay.

Audioboxer said:
Thanks so much, I've been tearing my hair out for hours installing/reinstalling drivers on Windows 8.
Is this something to do with the Nexus 4 not supporting OTG? As the One X has internal storage (32GB) and I was able to mount it through USB okay.
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Its because the nexus 4 and previously galaxy nexus don't use UMS. They use MTP.
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El Daddy said:
Its because the nexus 4 and previously galaxy nexus don't use UMS. They use MTP.
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Thanks again for the explanations.
If I ever somehow bork my OS installation and require to get a new zip file to the internal storage for flashing I'd just use adb to push? Not that familiar with adb, but now is the time to learn all the commands :good:

Audioboxer said:
Thanks again for the explanations.
If I ever somehow bork my OS installation and require to get a new zip file to the internal storage for flashing I'd just use adb to push? Not that familiar with adb, but now is the time to learn all the commands :good:
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Yep. Look up efrants 101 guide in the general stickies. It has a ton of good info!
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Well this blows.... So is there ANY way to use USB Mass Storage with the Nexus 4?
MTP SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Moborobo works for me with it's own "file manager".
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Well this blows.... So is there ANY way to use USB Mass Storage with the Nexus 4?
MTP SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Moborobo works for me with it's own "file manager".
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Thanks, looks good I'll check it out.
Is there any other way to enable USB Mass Storage though? Particularly from Recovery?
MTP has to be the worst mistake every made in the telco industry, it really is a steaming heap of technological junk. They don't even bother to market it as a 'feature' - it's clearly just a way to exact control over the device by the manufacturer in some way.

No it is not possible. Unlike older devices the /sdcard partition on the nexus 4 is formatted as ext4.
This brings numerous advantages when accessing it within the android environment.
In android it is mounted as a fuse which makes it even harder.
In recovery it is mounted as ext4 which means it technically is possible to Mount as a mass storage device. But you would only be able to access it from a Linux or Mac box as windows cannot access an ext filesystem.
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EXT4 is totally fine, it's possibly one of the best file systems out there so I have no issue with that. I run both Linux Mint and Windows 8 and there are even Windows tools to at least READ EXT4 file systems.
So it IS possible to circumvent this MTP garbage then? I've formatted USB sticks and drives with EXT4 before and they mount perfectly fine in Linux and can even read them in Windows fine with the right open source drivers / utilities.

[Q] Nexus 4 slow file transfer[Windows][Stock ROM]

Has anyone tried using MTP transfer?
I'm trying to copy some files from the phone to the computer but it seems impossible through MTP.
What other methods you can use to transfer files?
I had to use adb pull command to pull all my data before i unlock the bootloader. I'm assuming that custom ROMs will let you connect the phone as an external storage device but what about people who don't/can't install custom rom? Do they have to live with those slow MTP speeds while transferring something to the phone?

justFaisal said:
Has anyone tried using MTP transfer?
I'm trying to copy some files from the phone to the computer but it seems impossible through MTP.
What other methods you can use to transfer files?
I had to use adb pull command to pull all my data before i unlock the bootloader. I'm assuming that custom ROMs will let you connect the phone as an external storage device but what about people who don't/can't install custom rom? Do they have to live with those slow MTP speeds while transferring something to the phone?
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i had that issue with a GS3 and someone told me to try a different usb port on my computer. so i did and everything transferred much faster like it should.

s10shane said:
i had that issue with a GS3 and someone told me to try a different usb port on my computer. so i did and everything transferred much faster like it should.
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I tried everything and the only way i could get adequate speed was from adb.
I'm wondering why google didn't include external storage as an option to connect (in 4.2.2, i assume it's a software feature) like there is in some other phones that does not have sd card slot.

I don't think anything can fix MTP. It's so slow, that I have to use adb to transfer Clockworkmod backups.
I hate MTP so much.
The reason there's no mass storage option is because the geniuses at either LG or Google decided it was a good idea to make external storage a folder in /data/ rather than have a dedicated /sdcard/ partition.

Slow transfers with MTP on Nexus 4
** Note: You need a OTG cable with a power connector & ROOT
Nexus 4 - Stock ROM 4.3 ROOTED.
OTG cable with power connector
USB patch
StickMount app
An earlier version of Directory Opus (sorry, the trial expired and I did not note the exact version) seemed to do a good job of transferring files from the Nexus to the PC (Win 7), but when I tried it on another computer and it no longer worked (transfer stopped before it actually completed).
I tried the following and it worked for me:
Check these links:
http://www.androidcentral.com/android-advanced-usb-otg-nexus-4
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-4/orig-development/usb-otg-externally-powered-usb-otg-t2181820
Use the patch that is suitable for your rom.
install StickMount, connect the usb otg cable to portable drive (in my case a seagate 320 GB Freeagent), the power, and then the phone.
The drive is mounted under /sdcard/usbstorage/sd1
You may need the ntfs-3g file from Chainfire's site.
Transfers were at 7 to 8 MBps from the Nexus to the portable drive [NO PC/Windows involved]. This is better than MTP and DirectoryOpus [when it worked] which was at around 4MBps.
The other option is to use SuperBeam app.
DirectoryOpus might work, but you probably need the right combination of MTP drivers, DirectoryOpus version and Windows version.

Usb Mass Storage

hi guyzzz...
can ne1 help how to get the usb mass storage working
thanxxxx

there was an app posted here on xda that let you use mass storage mode, i have no idea if it works on the note 3 or if the dev even supports it anymore but you can try searching..... personally i prefer MTP
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USB Mass storage was removed from Android somewhere between 4.0 and 4.1.
Only options are MTP, Photo, Kies and USB3.0 (only on a 3.0 port, and this is MTP.)
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ShadowLea said:
USB Mass storage was removed from Android somewhere between 4.0 and 4.1.
Only options are MTP, Photo, Kies and USB3.0 (only on a 3.0 port, and this is MTP.)
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I am unable to get the the USB connection to work I am running windows 8.1 and tried all the options including installing Kies 3. I also tried USB debugging on / off etc. My PC is not recognizing my phone.... No errors in device manager or no logs in event logs it just charges...
Can anyone please help.

Problem with MTP on Nexus 4

Just as the title says, I'm having issues getting the MTP settings to work on my Windows 8.1 computer. I have MTP checked on phone and the computer recognizes it, but it doesn't give me the option on computer to browse the files or transfer non-PTP files. I want to move some .zips and things to the internal storage of the phone (8GB version) and it won't work with PTP selected.
Is there a fix for MTP on our device? If so, I cannot seem to find it on here. Can someone point me in the right direction?

I was having a lot of issues connecting nexus to my computer and everything got fixed with another USB cable.
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