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Developer support for SGS 4. difference betwen I9500 and I9505?
I'm going to buy a Galaxy S4, but the question is what do you think, will there be more people developing ROMS for the Version without Octa processor or with Octa processor?
I'm asking that because I own a Galaxy S and there was the same situation with the Galaxy S Plus, as there were only few people developing for SGS+
Will you buy a I9500 or a I9505?
dafabsl said:
I'm going to buy a Galaxy S4, but the question is what do you think, will there be more people developing ROMS for the Version without Octa processor or with Octa processor?
I'm asking that because I own a Galaxy S and there was the same situation with the Galaxy S Plus, as there were only few people developing for SGS+
Will you buy a I9500 or a I9505?
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The I9505 version will get the best support due to it being a snapdragon.
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recklesslife85 said:
The I9505 version will get the best support due to it being a snapdragon.
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Only for AOSP roms.
For stock-base roms and kernels, I guess the Octa version will get the update quicker and more frequent than Snapdragon version.
hung2900 said:
Only for AOSP roms.
For stock-base roms and kernels, I guess the Octa version will get the update quicker and more frequent than Snapdragon version.
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I'm confused now.. the I9505 version is the one with Octa, isn't it?
dafabsl said:
Developer support for SGS 4. difference betwen I9500 and I9505?
I'm going to buy a Galaxy S4, but the question is what do you think, will there be more people developing ROMS for the Version without Octa processor or with Octa processor?
I'm asking that because I own a Galaxy S and there was the same situation with the Galaxy S Plus, as there were only few people developing for SGS+
Will you buy a I9500 or a I9505?
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Many of us are probably getting the Snapdragon version. Easier to develop plus many devices are using it.
dafabsl said:
I'm confused now.. the I9505 version is the one with Octa, isn't it?
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No that's snapdragon
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No that's snapdragon
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daaaamn..
this german site here http://www.cnet.de/88108212/samsung-galaxy-s4-exynos-octa-5-kommt-nach-deutschland/
said the i9505 would be the one with octa :/
I really hoped that, because i won't use lte and in Austria we almost don't use lte and lte is really expensive, and I read that the Octa processor will be better for battery life
I just checked u guys are getting both
www.sammobile.com/2013/03/20/your-c...variant-of-the-galaxy-s-4-we-have-the-answer/
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TingTingin said:
I just checked u guys are getting both
www.sammobile.com/2013/03/20/your-c...variant-of-the-galaxy-s-4-we-have-the-answer/
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Thank you!
I know that germans get both versions.. but i'm austrian :/
We only get the quad version..
I'm thinking about buying a octa version in germany with shipping to austria .. It really would be stupid to have a LTE device wihtout access to lte...
dafabsl said:
Thank you!
I know that germans get both versions.. but i'm austrian :/
We only get the quad version..
I'm thinking about buying a octa version in germany with shipping to austria .. It really would be stupid to have a LTE device wihtout access to lte...
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The quad core version is also going to have more dev support though
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TingTingin said:
The quad core version is also going to have more dev support though
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hard decision for me :/
the main question will be how better the battery life will be with octa .. :/
dafabsl said:
hard decision for me :/
the main question will be how better the battery life will be with octa .. :/
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Octa is actually better in terms if power battery efficiency and gaming
But snapdragon is better for dev support and it has LTE
I'm going with the Exynos myself
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TingTingin said:
Octa is actually better in terms if power battery efficiency and gaming
But snapdragon is better for dev support and it has LTE
I'm going with the Exynos myself
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Wrong. Snapdragon allows each core to clock independently plus it only has 4 cores so it is much better on battery.
OP: if you like custom ROMs and such (why else are you on xda right now?), go for the Snapdragon, no questions. Many more people will have the snapdragon as the whole US and most of Europe is getting it.
Closed Source Project said:
Wrong. Snapdragon allows each core to clock independently plus it only has 4 cores so it is much better on battery.
OP: if you like custom ROMs and such (why else are you on xda right now?), go for the Snapdragon, no questions. Many more people will have the snapdragon as the whole US and most of Europe is getting it.
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But that's kinda weird though.. At first it seemed that in europe the octy will be released, and in the US the quadcore will be released..
Now its kinda like that in the us and in europe, most of the countrys will get the quadcore version.. -.-
that's just crazy..
dafabsl said:
But that's kinda weird though.. At first it seemed that in europe the octy will be released, and in the US the quadcore will be released..
Now its kinda like that in the us and in europe, most of the countrys will get the quadcore version.. -.-
that's just crazy..
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this is how it looks to me ...
look at the previous galaxy and note series.. the non-lte version is available in almost all countries.. hence has the most dev support..
but in s4's case., since they cant mass produce exynos octa YET., they decided to use snapdragon even in countries outside the u.s... that's the only way to make s4 available to all countries..
they wanted to be the first to use octa chip?.. they sure am now.. but why rush releasing it when they cant give all people this octa feature they boast about?.. that's because they dont want xperia z and htc one to have all the spotlight..
and the result is what OP is asking now..
since the u.s. and most european countries will have I9505., the logical answer is the snapdragon will have more dev support.. and even have the higher chance to have cm..
Therefore, which is better? I9500octa or i9505 snapdragon?
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Therefore, which is better? I9500octa or i9505 snapdragon?
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If you are looking for developer support and CM than your better choice is I9505 snapdragon imo
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benno4403 said:
If you are looking for developer support and CM than your better choice is I9505 snapdragon imo
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Why wouldn't there be a CM for the sgs4?
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Wrong. Snapdragon allows each core to clock independently plus it only has 4 cores so it is much better on battery.
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From your comment one would assume u know what your talking about it seems u have been misled
Octa is better on battery life I'm really not going to explain this again it is also more powerful
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2191850
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Great thread and very good question OP. Right now, it looks like the snapdragon version will be the most dev friendly since it'll be the one sold in big markets ( US, UK, Germany....). I wish that the exynos 5 octa had LTE included. The note 2 had the same processor everywhere in the world and that was great.
I would like to know whether you guys will prefer either snapdragon 600 or exynos powered samsung galaxy s4, what it'll do is making it easy for us to understand which one will have more development support, so i'll and many others will buy that one. Thanks
EDIT: Here is Exynos's Benchmark results and comparison with Snapdragon 600 powered S4 and other devices:
Octa-core Galaxy S4 benchmarks surface, live up to expectations
hspa+ in my area is solid plus att lte starting to slow up in my area, i am guessing due to more lte phones. the exynos 5 octa is better in every way it looks like and i prefer touch wiz to cm, it is more productive (imo). i hope to get it in new york when i am up there april 26th in one of the import electronic shops.
You wont find it in store here in the u.s. I prefer exynos chip too but im not getting it due to cost and no lte. Going to renew my contract and get s600 around release. Hoping to find some good deal offerings
I checked the SamMobile website and it said Australia is getting the SD600 but if I only want 3g/2g do I still have to use the SD600 variant. If I can choose I WILL go for the E5O version
porkaysi said:
hspa+ in my area is solid plus att lte starting to slow up in my area, i am guessing due to more lte phones. the exynos 5 octa is better in every way it looks like cm, touch wiz is more productive (imo). i hope to get it in new york when i am up there april 26th in one of the import electronic shops.
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I am glad to find that people prefers Exynos more then Snapdragon 600, obviously because it's battery efficient faster, but i guess many of them have to import it, even i guess you also have to import Exynos one from Asia or other region, because i saw Samsung has shortage of Exynos, so 70% will get Snapdragon 600, but in my country there will be only i9500,
bedi.gursimran said:
I checked the SamMobile website and it said Australia is getting the SD600 but if I only want 3g/2g do I still have to use the SD600 variant. If I can choose I WILL go for the E5O version
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Yeah this is bit of setback, i wish Samsung must provide LTE Capable phone for everyone, it's not there headache whether a particular country supports it or not, can't really understand these manufacturers logic these days..my main concern is only if we get very fewer number of i9500, then of course development for them will be very minimal, and in my country we'll only get i9500
As per my country I will receive S4 9400.
BTW it is related to Q/A forum.
kataria.vikesh said:
As per my country I will receive S4 9400.
BTW it is related to Q/A forum.
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Well i don't think it's related to Q/A Answer section, i feel it should be in General, just like every other similar POLLS on xda.
if india had a choice between 9500/9505 , i would blindly choose exynos. Its not only about the raw power, but about the big little architecture. Cant wait to test it and play around it. defenitely something different than a traditional cpu .
with a7 cores used for movie play back and call and at sleep, i strongly assume the battery would last much longer than any other s4 variants.
bala_gamer said:
if india had a choice between 9500/9505 , i would blindly choose exynos. Its not only about the raw power, but about the big little architecture. Cant wait to test it and play around it. defenitely something different than a traditional cpu .
with a7 cores used for movie play back and call and at sleep, i strongly assume the battery would last much longer than any other s4 variants.
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This is the reason why i guess people are looking more towards Exynos, i.e. longer battery life, your ideas are really helping me here, my first Exynos device this S4 will be i am searching for some leak to know which 70% countries are getting SD600/i9505, i wish Asia will not
R: POLL: I9500 OR I9505, What will you buy?
In Italy I will choose I9500 version (I don't care about LTE because here it's very expensive and not widespread)
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I9500 because well, I don't have any other choice. There's no 4G network either in my country.
IF I buy one: I9505.
Exynos makes me mad, I'm developing AOSP ROMs.
Im suprised that people prefer Exynos. I started considering SGS4 when I saw that SGS4 with Snapdragon CPU will be available in my country
Team Hacksung wont support SGS4 anymore, so it won't get CM (at least not in short future). On other side, Steve Kondik wrote: "Since it's powered by Snapdragon, CM should work wonderfully on it." So we can assume that Exynos SGS4 won't get CM and Snapdragon will get it and will work very good, because Snapdragon is much more opened than Exynos. So when Android 5.0 is released in about 2 months, Exynos SGS4 will have to wait months for official update, while Snapdragon SGS4 will get Android 5.0 (CM) much sooner.
So for me, i9505 is the only choice.
I9500 as I already have htc one with SD600 not that there is anything wrong with SD600 also I dont use 4G so don't need a 4G capable phone.
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Im suprised that people prefer Exynos. I started considering SGS4 when I saw that SGS4 with Snapdragon CPU will be available in my country
Team Hacksung wont support SGS4 anymore, so it won't get CM (at least not in short future). On other side, Steve Kondik wrote: "Since it's powered by Snapdragon, CM should work wonderfully on it." So we can assume that Exynos SGS4 won't get CM and Snapdragon will get it and will work very good, because Snapdragon is much more opened than Exynos. So when Android 5.0 is released in about 2 months, Exynos SGS4 will have to wait months for official update, while Snapdragon SGS4 will get Android 5.0 (CM) much sooner.
So for me, i9505 is the only choice.
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no surprise here, what if they dont care about aosp? frankly the gap between aosp and stock roms are getting bigger day by day. apart from the sleekness aosp provides it is struggling hard to match the potential of stock roms(not only samsung roms,add htc and sony roms to this list).
xploidwild started a movement some time back to add more functionality to "CM". sadly i dont know the current state of that movement.
Also, the cm support for 9500 would come eventually , but its going to be harder this time with teamhacksung saying no. There are few sources of exynos 5 dual out there somewhere which might help the new cm developers.
I dont want a fully working aosp for 9500, but would be happy to see nightlies just like s2 or s3.
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no surprise here, what if they dont care about aosp? frankly the gap between aosp and stock roms are getting bigger day by day. apart from the sleekness aosp provides it is struggling hard to match the potential of stock roms(not only samsung roms,add htc and sony roms to this list).
xploidwild started a movement some time back to add more functionality to "CM". sadly i dont know the current state of that movement.
Also, the cm support for 9500 would come eventually , but its going to be harder this time with teamhacksung saying no. There are few sources of exynos 5 dual out there somewhere which might help the new cm developers.
I dont want a fully working aosp for 9500, but would be happy to see nightlies just like s2 or s3.
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Don't forget, devices which doesn't get official CM Support still gets unofficial cm ports, like Desire Z etc, we may get unofficial ports, or even cm support lately for Exynos based devices, for example note 3 etc...
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Im suprised that people prefer Exynos. I started considering SGS4 when I saw that SGS4 with Snapdragon CPU will be available in my country
Team Hacksung wont support SGS4 anymore, so it won't get CM (at least not in short future). On other side, Steve Kondik wrote: "Since it's powered by Snapdragon, CM should work wonderfully on it." So we can assume that Exynos SGS4 won't get CM and Snapdragon will get it and will work very good, because Snapdragon is much more opened than Exynos. So when Android 5.0 is released in about 2 months, Exynos SGS4 will have to wait months for official update, while Snapdragon SGS4 will get Android 5.0 (CM) much sooner.
So for me, i9505 is the only choice.
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It's actually only one member of the team who said that the others came out and said 1 member doesn't speak for the team and that as for every other phone they will never announce supporting or not supporting until a device is actually launched
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I bought the i9505 as many people said it would have more developer support.
From initial observations, it appears as though the i9500 seems to be more popular in the dev scene?
winwiz said:
I bought the i9505 as many people said it would have more developer support.
From initial observations, it appears as though the i9500 seems to be more popular in the dev scene?
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yea i saw this too... i personally am on verizon and i dont have mine yet because of this... i dont develop a whole lot, but i imagine the release of verizons version will bring over more developers to the i9505 once they can buy their device...
but, yea, im a little disappointed with the 9505 support so far too , from what ive seen at least.
Well obviously i9500 will have more popularity.. its sold internationally vs i9505 which is US only. Plus having 8 cores is more cool. :victory:
SilentRazor said:
Well obviously i9500 will have more popularity.. its sold internationally vs i9505 which is US only. Plus having 8 cores is more cool. :victory:
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The UK also has the mainly the i9505 as well, initial rumors were it was because it was 4G related and most networks will be rolling this out this year.
SilentRazor said:
Well obviously i9500 will have more popularity.. its sold internationally vs i9505 which is US only. Plus having 8 cores is more cool. :victory:
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You for sure have no idea what are you talking about.
US - I9505
Canada - I9505
Central and South America - I9505 + I9500
Europe (all Europe !) - I9505
Asia - I9505 + I9500
Africa - I9505 + I9500
So...what's the score, captain ?
9505 is more popular, ma 9500 is better
There is rom development for the 9505 just mostly for the tmobile and sprint variant
Give it some time, the roms will come evebtually!
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Last numbers I read are 70% of sold devices being the 05 (when carrier versions are included) with the remainder being 00s obviously. In the end I'm sure those numbers will play out in terms of support being greater for the 05. I'm thinking (some of) the initial interest in the 00 relates specifically to the possibilities with the cpu and this has sparked some folks toward wanting to have a go at the new kid.
Chuck Bartowski said:
9505 is more popular, ma 9500 is better
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Wrong again.
I9500 cpu A15's cores are faster and more power hungry, GPU is weaker
I9505 is fast, not as A15 but no power hungry and GPU way better.
So...none of them is better or weaker...
I hope to see some development also. .. I had a Sony and there was so much difference between the amount of development between Sony and Samsung
But some nice kernels and some good custom roms... Then I would be happy. ..I don't care about the triangle and all that
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demlasjr said:
Wrong again.
I9500 cpu A15's cores are faster and more power hungry, GPU is weaker
I9505 is fast, not as A15 but no power hungry and GPU way better.
So...none of them is better or weaker...
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Your sig tells a lot about your biased opinion. Have a look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2203311
PowerVR SGX544mp3 is preferred over Adreno 320.
SilentRazor said:
Your sig tells a lot about your biased opinion. Have a look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2203311
PowerVR SGX544mp3 is preferred over Adreno 320.
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Don't be so sure mate. Adreno still have place for overclocking, but PowerVR not. Also Adreno is newer and using better api
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Snapdragon 800-powered Galaxy S4 for international markets may have just leaked as the Samsung GT-i9506 http://drippler.com/updates/share/s...ional-markets-may-have-just-leaked-samsung-gt Via j.mp/getDrippler
how many are we getting?
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Did they releasing new version once a week? There's already many variants for this devices. Lets say, E300S, E300K, E300L, E330S, i9500, i9505, S4 mini, S4 active, S4 camera and now i9506 with better snapdragon 800? Hell. Yeah. Sammy.
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hotheabilly said:
Did they releasing new version once a week? There's already many variants for this devices. Lets say, E300S, E300K, E300L, E330S, i9500, i9505, S4 mini, S4 active, S4 camera and now i9506 with better snapdragon 800? Hell. Yeah. Sammy.
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theyre pushing the boundaries already, they must have known that the snapdragon 800 was going to be released soon when they released the s4
they could have waited instead of releasing a hundred variants
now early adopters are stuck with slower, more expensive versions of the same device(kinda since you can always buy the new one but its still a double expense)
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Welcome to life. Tech advances faster than our wallets fill up.
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Yap thats not practical. Just, why samsung? Are you too greedy? Why so many version? If the S4 comes with just one variant and that is packed with snapdragon 800 and adreno 330, even for international version, that would be great.
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hotheabilly said:
Yap thats not practical. Just, why samsung? Are you too greedy? Why so many version? If the S4 comes with just one variant and that is packed with snapdragon 800 and adreno 330, even for international version, that would be great.
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Exactly, it even would have been easier to sell millions of them without having to bother with extra hardware(failed octa, snapdragon 600), less expense=more money samsung should know this
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negrobembon said:
Exactly, it even would have been easier to sell millions of them without having to bother with extra hardware(failed octa, snapdragon 600), less expense=more money samsung should know this
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Yup, these are pain in the ass, sh*tty strategy from samsung marketing planner. 4+4 exynos, snap600, snap800, and when tegra 4 is released then S4 i9510 will available too? Lol
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Every Company wants to fill their own pocket ...not costomer's...
So never think any company tour own...
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Especially Samsung
Its great news for some...who didnt buy s4...and sorrow for other who already bought s4...and Samsung will give reason that we have exchange scheme so trade s4 with new s4
So never dependant or fanboy of any company or device
ipsuvedi said:
Every Company wants to fill their own pocket ...not costomer's...
So never think any company tour own...
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Especially Samsung
Its great news for some...who didnt buy s4...and sorrow for other who already bought s4...and Samsung will give reason that we have exchange scheme so trade s4 with new s4
So never dependant or fanboy of any company or device
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Not fanboy or anything, just feel cheated
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Same feelings. I feel cheated.. I showed my support to Samsung.. Purchased SGS4 I9500 on the very first day despite of thinking about expensive price.. And later they came up with all those variants..
Neither they are releasing documentation for Exynos nor doing tremendous work in fixing bugs we are facing.. I would say, I will never ever go with Samsung again..
Rahulrulez said:
Same feelings. I feel cheated.. I showed my support to Samsung.. Purchased SGS4 I9500 on the very first day despite of thinking about expensive price.. And later they came up with all those variants..
Neither they are releasing documentation for Exynos nor doing tremendous work in fixing bugs we are facing.. I would say, I will never ever go with Samsung again..
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Now that you mention it, i wouldnt be as offended if i could install CM on my 9500 lol, damn samsung and their sources
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There's really no need for an S4 with Snapdragon 800 and Adreno 330 (i9506).
Sure on paper it may perform better than the current S600 version, but will we notice in real life usage? Probably not.
The original Galaxy S4 S600 variant is more than enough hardware to run anything we throw at it, at least for the next year.
So be happy with with your S4 and just wait till the S5 is released, this will be even better again than i9506 version.
And so the cycle continues. This is simply technology for you.
negrobembon said:
Now that you mention it, i wouldnt be as offended if i could install CM on my 9500 lol, damn samsung and their sources
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Exactly.. If I get good after sale service from Samsung. I am more than happy of for that.. Samsung sucks in maintaining public relations and keeping promises.. They are liars, cheaters.. That's what I know. I am Samsung user since SGS1 days.. I know they never kept promises. They hate us (people over XDA)
Rahulrulez said:
Same feelings. I feel cheated.. I showed my support to Samsung.. Purchased SGS4 I9500 on the very first day despite of thinking about expensive price.. And later they came up with all those variants..
Neither they are releasing documentation for Exynos nor doing tremendous work in fixing bugs we are facing.. I would say, I will never ever go with Samsung again..
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IMO Samsung is doing this to keep up the competition with the recently released HTC One.
Their very first S4 may have been better in terms of specs but those who used HTC One and S4 in real life knew the difference and knew that HTC One was way better.
Therefore, they are trying to win this competition by releasing another variant of this device with better specs and also trying to reason the price.
But a word of advice to Samsung. There are not many people who know that there are so many variants of a single device. People just come in at a mobile store and ask for a S4. They seriously do not mention a particular variant no.
So Samsung, plz stop sh***ing around and plan on releasing better mobile phones like HTC one and not some plastic mobile with ground breaking specs thrown in which are not 100% compatible with each other.
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Mayank7795 said:
IMO Samsung is doing this to keep up the competition with the recently released HTC One.
Their very first S4 may have been better in terms of specs but those who used HTC One and S4 in real life knew the difference and knew that HTC One was way better.
Therefore, they are trying to win this competition by releasing another variant of this device with better specs and also trying to reason the price.
But a word of advice to Samsung. There are not many people who know that there are so many variants of a single device. People just come in at a mobile store and ask for a S4. They seriously do not mention a particular variant no.
So Samsung, plz stop sh***ing around and plan on releasing better mobile phones like HTC one and not some plastic mobile with ground breaking specs thrown in which are not 100% compatible with each other.
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To be specific, Every variant (except minis) of SGS4 has performed very very well against HTC One in terms of performance, battery life and camera too..
The competition is not HTC One.. They already are way way ahead than HTC One in terms of sales (5m vs 20m)..
negrobembon said:
theyre pushing the boundaries already, they must have known that the snapdragon 800 was going to be released soon when they released the s4
they could have waited instead of releasing a hundred variants
now early adopters are stuck with slower, more expensive versions of the same device(kinda since you can always buy the new one but its still a double expense)
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Slower versions? Slower where.? In antutu and quadrant? Come on guys, wake up, benchmark is not the end of the road. Be happy with the devices you get with your hard earned money.
Samsung is not the only player in market doing this, HTC and Sony are doing the same. Sony is now preparing honami and HTC is preparing a 5 inch HTC one which will make the xperia z and HTC one owners moan. And within a matter of time we will see devices with 5420 which will beat them all, the cycle goes on
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im going to get a phone i want htc one but here in my country its damn expensive , no ads for it compared with s4 and iphone , and you cannot find anywhere cases for it and its not popular but i think its better than s4 .... So i changed my mind and i was intending to get i9505 and this **** have come now but it would be expensive and i say to all s4 owners your phones is extremely fast comapred to its competitors and dont give a **** for samsung as i see this phone an un-needed upgrade and why they dont pack sd800 in note 3 and speed it up then pack it in next year's s5 (***k samsung)
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Slower versions? Slower where.? In antutu and quadrant? Come on guys, wake up, benchmark is not the end of the road. Be happy with the devices you get with your hard earned money.
Samsung is not the only player in market doing this, HTC and Sony are doing the same. Sony is now preparing honami and HTC is preparing a 5 inch HTC one which will make the xperia z and HTC one owners moan. And within a matter of time we will see devices with 5420 which will beat them all, the cycle goes on
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Youre right, speed is not that much of an issue as all versions are really fast but still...
And what about updates? How long will they take now that there are so many S4 running amok
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bala_gamer said:
Slower versions? Slower where.? In antutu and quadrant? Come on guys, wake up, benchmark is not the end of the road. Be happy with the devices you get with your hard earned money.
Samsung is not the only player in market doing this, HTC and Sony are doing the same. Sony is now preparing honami and HTC is preparing a 5 inch HTC one which will make the xperia z and HTC one owners moan. And within a matter of time we will see devices with 5420 which will beat them all, the cycle goes on
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Htc and sony are releasing a 5+ inch devices (phablets) to compete with note 3 so they wouldnt moan just like s and note
I am sure the life span of updates for SGS4 (I9500) will be much shorter than any other device in high end Galaxy lineup Only around 20-25% of SGS4 devices are I9500. I am worried about future updates. That's why I am vouching for either CM port or something like that
Which CPU does the Note 3 use? Please enlighten me
MSM8974 or MSM8974AB?
MSM8974: Adreno 330 @ 450Mhz and dual channel LPDDR3 @ 800Mhz
MSM8974AB: Adreno 330 @ 550Mhz and dual channel LPDDR3 @ 933Mhz
Most likely the 8974, only the meizu mx3 will have the AB version check anandtech.com that'll have all the info on the Soc. It does however have a low power radio which should save battery.
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That's an interesting question. If there's a "better" S-800 it would be odd that with Samsung's purchasing power with Qualcomm that they wouldn't use it in their flagship and allow a Chinese upstart to tout a more powerful phone. The S-600 Samsung used in the SGS4 was "AB" so let's hope the S-800 in the N3 is also. We'll find out when Anandtech does their testing. This is from their review of the SGS4...
That brings us to the Galaxy S 4. It's immediately apparent that something is different here because Samsung is shipping the Snapdragon 600 at a higher frequency than any other OEM. The Krait 300 cores in SGS4 can run at up to 1.9GHz vs. 1.7GHz for everyone else. Curiously enough, 1.9GHz is the max frequency that Qualcomm mentioned when it first announced Snapdragon 600.
Samsung is obviously a very large customer, so at first glance we assumed it could simply demand a better bin of Snapdragon 600 than its lower volume competitors. Looking a bit deeper however, we see that the Galaxy S 4 uses something different entirely.
Digging through the Galaxy S 4 kernel source we see references to an APQ8064AB part. As a recap, APQ8064 was the first quad-core Krait 200 SoC with no integrated modem, more commonly referred to as Snapdragon S4 Pro. APQ8064T was supposed to be its higher clocked/Krait 300 based successor that ended up with the marketing name Snapdragon 600. APQ8064AB however is, at this point, unique to the Galaxy S 4 but still carries the Snapdragon 600 marketing name.
If we had to guess, we might be looking at an actual respin of the APQ8064 silicon in APQ8064AB. Assuming Qualcomm isn't playing any funny games here, APQ8064AB may simply be a respin capable of hitting higher frequencies. We'll have to keep a close eye on this going forward, but it's clear to me that the Galaxy S 4 is shipping with something different than everyone else who has a Snapdragon 600 at this point.
The one I played with had the AB S800.
Fingers crossed!
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The one I played with had the AB S800.
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The wiki snapdragon chipset shows the AB s800 only in xiaomi mi-3
The official note 3 global site only says 2.3 ghz quad-core processor....not mentioning what quad-core...
so it's 50-50......since they both have identical frequencies...here is for hoping for the best) AB version!
Hopefuly you are right!
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The wiki snapdragon chipset shows the AB s800 only in xiaomi mi-3
The official note 3 global site only says 2.3 ghz quad-core processor....not mentioning what quad-core...
so it's 50-50......since they both have identical frequencies...here is for hoping for the best) AB version!
Hopefuly you are right!
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He later said this:
Actually I looked into this some more - the network guy I was in contact with said it was the AB binning as it was clocked at 2.3Ghz. I took that as read and hence posted that information here, however I see even at the 2.3Ghz clockspeed it looks like there are two binnings for the GPU speed. Bottom line I can't categorically state this is AB bin, my apologies for that - OP updated.
Here is what the Voodoo Report says, as you can see it depends on whether the 0007 revision corresponds to the AB bin:
Hardware : Qualcomm MSM 8974 (Flattened Device Tree)
Revision : 0007
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The table in the referenced Anandtech article shows the CPU of the MSM8974AB as being 100MHz faster. It shows the MSM8974 at 2.2GHz, and the MSM8974AB at 2.3. Given this, I would assume that the note would have the MSM8974AB processor.
edit: Just checked the specs on the G2 and Z1. Those phones list their CPU speeds at 2260 MHz and 2200MHz respectively and both of them have the S800. Samsung lists the Note 3's CPU at 2.3GHz.
Can anyone who has received their s800 note3 please confirm whether or not the note 3 carries the 8974AB soc? I'm really interested to see if they added AB soc like they did with the S4...
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Can anyone who has received their s800 note3 please confirm whether or not the note 3 carries the 8974AB soc? I'm really interested to see if they added AB soc like they did with the S4...
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Are you sure that S4 has AB? Because if it did then it will be a paranoia not to do the same thing on Note 3 especially that Note 3 is more suited for this tweaked processor due to its thermal advantages over S4. Lets see....
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Are you sure that S4 has AB? Because if it did then it will be a paranoia not to do the same thing on Note 3 especially that Note 3 is more suited for this tweaked processor due to its thermal advantages over S4. Lets see....
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Yeah, I am sure that the S4 uses the 8064AB soc. It's well documented on Wikipedia, XDA, etc. Samsung has already set the precedent of using the AB soc in the S4 so I would be surprised if they did not utilize the 8974AB in the Note 3. I'm fairly certain they did use the AB soc in the Note but I still am waiting for someone with a N9005 to confirm. I'm surprised more people aren't clamoring to know this.
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Yeah, I am sure that the S4 uses the 8064AB soc. It's well documented on Wikipedia, XDA, etc. Samsung has already set the precedent of using the AB soc in the S4 so I would be surprised if they did not utilize the 8974AB in the Note 3. I'm fairly certain they did use the AB soc in the Note but I still am waiting for someone with a N9005 to confirm. I'm surprised more people aren't clamoring to know this.
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Then that's very good news.I was quite hesitated at first because as far as I am concerned Anandtech and many other tech sites and even Xiaomi in itself promoted/reported Xiaomi Mi3's S800 AB like it was the chosen one and the first on the market and none of them bother to report or had clue that S4 has already the AB variant! Hmm...
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Then that's very good news.I was quite hesitated at first because as far as I am concerned Anandtech and many other tech sites and even Xiaomi in itself promoted/reported Xiaomi Mi3's S800 AB like it was the chosen one and the first on the market and none of them bother to report or had clue that S4 has already the AB variant! Hmm...
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The Xiaomi Mi3 was the first phone (maybe the only?) to announce the use of the s800AB (8974AB) variant. The S4 and HTC Butterfly S use the S600AB variant (8064AB). I really hope the Note 3 has the AB variant of the S800, although you would think Samsung might advertise the soc a little more as it does include an overclocked GPU and uses higher frequency ram. Anyways...someone please confirm!
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The Xiaomi Mi3 was the first phone (maybe the only?) to announce the use of the s800AB (8974AB) variant. The S4 and HTC Butterfly S use the S600AB variant (8064AB). I really hope the Note 3 has the AB variant of the S800, although you would think Samsung might advertise the soc a little more as it does include an overclocked GPU and uses higher frequency ram. Anyways...someone please confirm!
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I agree, but Samsung may not want to advertise the S800 SoC too much, because if they say "the S800AB has incredible GPU!" then the Exynos markets would be Plus, Exynos is samsung's SoC brand, and I'm sure they'd rather promote their product over qualcomm's.
The unit in this review doesn't use AB.
See mark 9:30
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The unit in this review doesn't use AB.
See mark 9:30
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:crying: Thanks for confirming. Shame they didn't use the AB soc. Why let Mi-3 have it but not Note 3??
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:crying: Thanks for confirming. Shame they didn't use the AB soc. Why let Mi-3 have it but not Note 3??
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Maybe Qualcomm can't make that many?
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:crying: Thanks for confirming. Shame they didn't use the AB soc. Why let Mi-3 have it but not Note 3??
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This is why.
http://gsminsider.com/2013/09/xiaomi-mi3-snapdragon-800-delays/
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eustilou said:
This is why.
http://gsminsider.com/2013/09/xiaomi-mi3-snapdragon-800-delays/
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Now it's starting to make sense. Thanks for posting this. i found an article somewhere on google that talked about how all Chinese Note 3's would come with the AB variant, but that clearly cannot be the case...still sucks. I am on tmobile so im stuck with the s800 variant. i kind of wish I could get the octo core variant, but i know i wont get LTE and i'm not sure if i would get HSPA+. I've got a preorder in for the note 3 but I'm considering waiting for the new nexus phone. Choices choices....
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:crying: Thanks for confirming. Shame they didn't use the AB soc. Why let Mi-3 have it but not Note 3??
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because Note 3 is much expensive in china, not many people will buy it
and xiaomi has much lower price point at 1999 RMB
also xiaomi has Tegra 4 version this year
so Qualcomm feels NVIDIA will take over the partnership with xiaomi
if they do not offer something real good soc
also Qualcomm is one of the investor of xiaomi
techinsights.com/samsung-galaxy-note-3
I don't know if the site is reliable or not. But it seems that their tear down reveal that sm n9005 is using the AB chip.
Sorry that I can't post links as I am new. but please do take a look!