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Developer support for I9500 and I9505?

Developer support for SGS 4. difference betwen I9500 and I9505?​
I'm going to buy a Galaxy S4, but the question is what do you think, will there be more people developing ROMS for the Version without Octa processor or with Octa processor?
I'm asking that because I own a Galaxy S and there was the same situation with the Galaxy S Plus, as there were only few people developing for SGS+
Will you buy a I9500 or a I9505?

dafabsl said:
I'm going to buy a Galaxy S4, but the question is what do you think, will there be more people developing ROMS for the Version without Octa processor or with Octa processor?
I'm asking that because I own a Galaxy S and there was the same situation with the Galaxy S Plus, as there were only few people developing for SGS+
Will you buy a I9500 or a I9505?
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The I9505 version will get the best support due to it being a snapdragon.
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recklesslife85 said:
The I9505 version will get the best support due to it being a snapdragon.
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Only for AOSP roms.
For stock-base roms and kernels, I guess the Octa version will get the update quicker and more frequent than Snapdragon version.

hung2900 said:
Only for AOSP roms.
For stock-base roms and kernels, I guess the Octa version will get the update quicker and more frequent than Snapdragon version.
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I'm confused now.. the I9505 version is the one with Octa, isn't it?

dafabsl said:
Developer support for SGS 4. difference betwen I9500 and I9505?​
I'm going to buy a Galaxy S4, but the question is what do you think, will there be more people developing ROMS for the Version without Octa processor or with Octa processor?
I'm asking that because I own a Galaxy S and there was the same situation with the Galaxy S Plus, as there were only few people developing for SGS+
Will you buy a I9500 or a I9505?
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Many of us are probably getting the Snapdragon version. Easier to develop plus many devices are using it.

dafabsl said:
I'm confused now.. the I9505 version is the one with Octa, isn't it?
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No that's snapdragon
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TingTingin said:
No that's snapdragon
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daaaamn..
this german site here http://www.cnet.de/88108212/samsung-galaxy-s4-exynos-octa-5-kommt-nach-deutschland/
said the i9505 would be the one with octa :/
I really hoped that, because i won't use lte and in Austria we almost don't use lte and lte is really expensive, and I read that the Octa processor will be better for battery life

I just checked u guys are getting both
www.sammobile.com/2013/03/20/your-c...variant-of-the-galaxy-s-4-we-have-the-answer/
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TingTingin said:
I just checked u guys are getting both
www.sammobile.com/2013/03/20/your-c...variant-of-the-galaxy-s-4-we-have-the-answer/
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Thank you!
I know that germans get both versions.. but i'm austrian :/
We only get the quad version..
I'm thinking about buying a octa version in germany with shipping to austria .. It really would be stupid to have a LTE device wihtout access to lte...

dafabsl said:
Thank you!
I know that germans get both versions.. but i'm austrian :/
We only get the quad version..
I'm thinking about buying a octa version in germany with shipping to austria .. It really would be stupid to have a LTE device wihtout access to lte...
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The quad core version is also going to have more dev support though
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TingTingin said:
The quad core version is also going to have more dev support though
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hard decision for me :/
the main question will be how better the battery life will be with octa .. :/

dafabsl said:
hard decision for me :/
the main question will be how better the battery life will be with octa .. :/
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Octa is actually better in terms if power battery efficiency and gaming
But snapdragon is better for dev support and it has LTE
I'm going with the Exynos myself
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TingTingin said:
Octa is actually better in terms if power battery efficiency and gaming
But snapdragon is better for dev support and it has LTE
I'm going with the Exynos myself
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Wrong. Snapdragon allows each core to clock independently plus it only has 4 cores so it is much better on battery.
OP: if you like custom ROMs and such (why else are you on xda right now?), go for the Snapdragon, no questions. Many more people will have the snapdragon as the whole US and most of Europe is getting it.

Closed Source Project said:
Wrong. Snapdragon allows each core to clock independently plus it only has 4 cores so it is much better on battery.
OP: if you like custom ROMs and such (why else are you on xda right now?), go for the Snapdragon, no questions. Many more people will have the snapdragon as the whole US and most of Europe is getting it.
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But that's kinda weird though.. At first it seemed that in europe the octy will be released, and in the US the quadcore will be released..
Now its kinda like that in the us and in europe, most of the countrys will get the quadcore version.. -.-
that's just crazy..

dafabsl said:
But that's kinda weird though.. At first it seemed that in europe the octy will be released, and in the US the quadcore will be released..
Now its kinda like that in the us and in europe, most of the countrys will get the quadcore version.. -.-
that's just crazy..
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this is how it looks to me ...
look at the previous galaxy and note series.. the non-lte version is available in almost all countries.. hence has the most dev support..
but in s4's case., since they cant mass produce exynos octa YET., they decided to use snapdragon even in countries outside the u.s... that's the only way to make s4 available to all countries..
they wanted to be the first to use octa chip?.. they sure am now.. but why rush releasing it when they cant give all people this octa feature they boast about?.. that's because they dont want xperia z and htc one to have all the spotlight..
and the result is what OP is asking now..
since the u.s. and most european countries will have I9505., the logical answer is the snapdragon will have more dev support.. and even have the higher chance to have cm..

Therefore, which is better? I9500octa or i9505 snapdragon?

lazylilsnoop said:
Therefore, which is better? I9500octa or i9505 snapdragon?
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If you are looking for developer support and CM than your better choice is I9505 snapdragon imo

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If you are looking for developer support and CM than your better choice is I9505 snapdragon imo
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Why wouldn't there be a CM for the sgs4?

Closed Source Project said:
Wrong. Snapdragon allows each core to clock independently plus it only has 4 cores so it is much better on battery.
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From your comment one would assume u know what your talking about it seems u have been misled
Octa is better on battery life I'm really not going to explain this again it is also more powerful
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2191850
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Great thread and very good question OP. Right now, it looks like the snapdragon version will be the most dev friendly since it'll be the one sold in big markets ( US, UK, Germany....). I wish that the exynos 5 octa had LTE included. The note 2 had the same processor everywhere in the world and that was great.

POLL: I9500 OR I9505, What will you buy?

I would like to know whether you guys will prefer either snapdragon 600 or exynos powered samsung galaxy s4, what it'll do is making it easy for us to understand which one will have more development support, so i'll and many others will buy that one. Thanks
EDIT: Here is Exynos's Benchmark results and comparison with Snapdragon 600 powered S4 and other devices:
Octa-core Galaxy S4 benchmarks surface, live up to expectations

hspa+ in my area is solid plus att lte starting to slow up in my area, i am guessing due to more lte phones. the exynos 5 octa is better in every way it looks like and i prefer touch wiz to cm, it is more productive (imo). i hope to get it in new york when i am up there april 26th in one of the import electronic shops.

You wont find it in store here in the u.s. I prefer exynos chip too but im not getting it due to cost and no lte. Going to renew my contract and get s600 around release. Hoping to find some good deal offerings

I checked the SamMobile website and it said Australia is getting the SD600 but if I only want 3g/2g do I still have to use the SD600 variant. If I can choose I WILL go for the E5O version

porkaysi said:
hspa+ in my area is solid plus att lte starting to slow up in my area, i am guessing due to more lte phones. the exynos 5 octa is better in every way it looks like cm, touch wiz is more productive (imo). i hope to get it in new york when i am up there april 26th in one of the import electronic shops.
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I am glad to find that people prefers Exynos more then Snapdragon 600, obviously because it's battery efficient faster, but i guess many of them have to import it, even i guess you also have to import Exynos one from Asia or other region, because i saw Samsung has shortage of Exynos, so 70% will get Snapdragon 600, but in my country there will be only i9500,

bedi.gursimran said:
I checked the SamMobile website and it said Australia is getting the SD600 but if I only want 3g/2g do I still have to use the SD600 variant. If I can choose I WILL go for the E5O version
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Yeah this is bit of setback, i wish Samsung must provide LTE Capable phone for everyone, it's not there headache whether a particular country supports it or not, can't really understand these manufacturers logic these days..my main concern is only if we get very fewer number of i9500, then of course development for them will be very minimal, and in my country we'll only get i9500

As per my country I will receive S4 9400.
BTW it is related to Q/A forum.

kataria.vikesh said:
As per my country I will receive S4 9400.
BTW it is related to Q/A forum.
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Well i don't think it's related to Q/A Answer section, i feel it should be in General, just like every other similar POLLS on xda.

if india had a choice between 9500/9505 , i would blindly choose exynos. Its not only about the raw power, but about the big little architecture. Cant wait to test it and play around it. defenitely something different than a traditional cpu .
with a7 cores used for movie play back and call and at sleep, i strongly assume the battery would last much longer than any other s4 variants.

bala_gamer said:
if india had a choice between 9500/9505 , i would blindly choose exynos. Its not only about the raw power, but about the big little architecture. Cant wait to test it and play around it. defenitely something different than a traditional cpu .
with a7 cores used for movie play back and call and at sleep, i strongly assume the battery would last much longer than any other s4 variants.
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This is the reason why i guess people are looking more towards Exynos, i.e. longer battery life, your ideas are really helping me here, my first Exynos device this S4 will be i am searching for some leak to know which 70% countries are getting SD600/i9505, i wish Asia will not

R: POLL: I9500 OR I9505, What will you buy?
In Italy I will choose I9500 version (I don't care about LTE because here it's very expensive and not widespread)
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I9500 because well, I don't have any other choice. There's no 4G network either in my country.

IF I buy one: I9505.
Exynos makes me mad, I'm developing AOSP ROMs.

Im suprised that people prefer Exynos. I started considering SGS4 when I saw that SGS4 with Snapdragon CPU will be available in my country
Team Hacksung wont support SGS4 anymore, so it won't get CM (at least not in short future). On other side, Steve Kondik wrote: "Since it's powered by Snapdragon, CM should work wonderfully on it." So we can assume that Exynos SGS4 won't get CM and Snapdragon will get it and will work very good, because Snapdragon is much more opened than Exynos. So when Android 5.0 is released in about 2 months, Exynos SGS4 will have to wait months for official update, while Snapdragon SGS4 will get Android 5.0 (CM) much sooner.
So for me, i9505 is the only choice.

I9500 as I already have htc one with SD600 not that there is anything wrong with SD600 also I dont use 4G so don't need a 4G capable phone.

-A-P-M- said:
Im suprised that people prefer Exynos. I started considering SGS4 when I saw that SGS4 with Snapdragon CPU will be available in my country
Team Hacksung wont support SGS4 anymore, so it won't get CM (at least not in short future). On other side, Steve Kondik wrote: "Since it's powered by Snapdragon, CM should work wonderfully on it." So we can assume that Exynos SGS4 won't get CM and Snapdragon will get it and will work very good, because Snapdragon is much more opened than Exynos. So when Android 5.0 is released in about 2 months, Exynos SGS4 will have to wait months for official update, while Snapdragon SGS4 will get Android 5.0 (CM) much sooner.
So for me, i9505 is the only choice.
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no surprise here, what if they dont care about aosp? frankly the gap between aosp and stock roms are getting bigger day by day. apart from the sleekness aosp provides it is struggling hard to match the potential of stock roms(not only samsung roms,add htc and sony roms to this list).
xploidwild started a movement some time back to add more functionality to "CM". sadly i dont know the current state of that movement.
Also, the cm support for 9500 would come eventually , but its going to be harder this time with teamhacksung saying no. There are few sources of exynos 5 dual out there somewhere which might help the new cm developers.
I dont want a fully working aosp for 9500, but would be happy to see nightlies just like s2 or s3.

bala_gamer said:
no surprise here, what if they dont care about aosp? frankly the gap between aosp and stock roms are getting bigger day by day. apart from the sleekness aosp provides it is struggling hard to match the potential of stock roms(not only samsung roms,add htc and sony roms to this list).
xploidwild started a movement some time back to add more functionality to "CM". sadly i dont know the current state of that movement.
Also, the cm support for 9500 would come eventually , but its going to be harder this time with teamhacksung saying no. There are few sources of exynos 5 dual out there somewhere which might help the new cm developers.
I dont want a fully working aosp for 9500, but would be happy to see nightlies just like s2 or s3.
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Don't forget, devices which doesn't get official CM Support still gets unofficial cm ports, like Desire Z etc, we may get unofficial ports, or even cm support lately for Exynos based devices, for example note 3 etc...

-A-P-M- said:
Im suprised that people prefer Exynos. I started considering SGS4 when I saw that SGS4 with Snapdragon CPU will be available in my country
Team Hacksung wont support SGS4 anymore, so it won't get CM (at least not in short future). On other side, Steve Kondik wrote: "Since it's powered by Snapdragon, CM should work wonderfully on it." So we can assume that Exynos SGS4 won't get CM and Snapdragon will get it and will work very good, because Snapdragon is much more opened than Exynos. So when Android 5.0 is released in about 2 months, Exynos SGS4 will have to wait months for official update, while Snapdragon SGS4 will get Android 5.0 (CM) much sooner.
So for me, i9505 is the only choice.
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It's actually only one member of the team who said that the others came out and said 1 member doesn't speak for the team and that as for every other phone they will never announce supporting or not supporting until a device is actually launched
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[Q] Exynos / SD600 choice within the UK?

Hi guys,
I'm afraid people will consider this a re-hash of existing threads however I haven't seen one specific to the UK and have a few questions to ask.
I currently have an i9305 but when I previously owned an i9300 I noticed that development was done more Europe than America due to your differences in handsets due to carriers.
Are there going to be differences between the i9500 and the i9505 in terms of dev support towards the UK?
As in, the i9505 will most probably have more developer support as Snapdragon source code is available (?) and so an actual stable ROM could be released, and also LTE is very popular now.
But would the developers in the U.S create ROMS that would work on the UK varient?
The reason I ask is because I love the SG3 but have grown disgusted by TouchWiz now and I don't care for the gimmicky TW features in the S4, I just like the horsepower it's packing bundled with that display and battery. CM10.1 on my SG3 has alleviated my disgust for TW which was held at bay through Nova launcher but inevitably got more and more irritating.
I was thinking to wait for the new Nexus, but that could be a while and could be underwhelming, and since they tend to be a lot cheaper I figure if it does come out and is amazing then I could probably sell the SG4 and have money left over after buying the new Nexus.
Also, on a side-note, is anyone in the UK planning on importing an Exynos varient? To me the lack of dev support and LTE for -slightly- better noticeable performance and potentially slightly better battery life isn't enough to justify it.
Cheers

There is a thread for UK
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2191766
Official Ireland/UK Galaxy S4 Thread
But to answer your query. The UK is getting the same i9505 as the US. This time most of western Europe is not getting the Exynos (i9500). Asia and Eastern Europe seem to be getting it this time. Which is annoying as I want the Exynos version personally.
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skibadee said:
There is a thread for UK
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2191766
Official Ireland/UK Galaxy S4 Thread
But to answer your query. The UK is getting the same i9505 as the US. This time most of western Europe is not getting the Exynos (i9500). Asia and Eastern Europe seem to be getting it this time. Which is annoying as I want the Exynos version personally.
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Ok that's cool, to be honest I am happy enough with my S3 I could wait for an Exynos LTE release since I am buying SIM-free anyway, but again for me developer support is really important so I think I'm better off with the Snapdragon varient, and let's be honest, the specs are still amazing.

Let's be honest here. What could you possibly be doing on your phone that would require 8 cores? Even four is probably over kill haha. My computer is 4 cores and it compiles ROMs just fine. What could I possibly need with an 8 core device? I feel like sometimes people get too wrapped up with having MOAR CORES without really thinking about why they could possible have a use for 8 cores on a cell phone.
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Fu5ion said:
Let's be honest here. What could you possibly be doing on your phone that would require 8 cores? Even four is probably over kill haha. My computer is 4 cores and it compiles ROMs just fine. What could I possibly need with an 8 core device? I feel like sometimes people get too wrapped up with having MOAR CORES without really thinking about why they could possible have a use for 8 cores on a cell phone.
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Why you buy 4 cores when you haw 8 cores??
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Fu5ion said:
Let's be honest here. What could you possibly be doing on your phone that would require 8 cores? Even four is probably over kill haha. My computer is 4 cores and it compiles ROMs just fine. What could I possibly need with an 8 core device? I feel like sometimes people get too wrapped up with having MOAR CORES without really thinking about why they could possible have a use for 8 cores on a cell phone.
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duh, audio chip beats the bottom of 4 core

First 70% release of S4 will be Snapdragon version,so all Europe will have Snapdragon and the devs will support it more for this and because of the open source.Also every developer who work with Exynos sick of it and i don't think he will prefer it again easly.So if you need suport go with the Snapdragon version,and yes the specs is still amazing!

Which would you choose if you had a choice? (9500 vs 9505)

Yeah this has been discussed to death but I've never seen a poll. Which one would you pick if you got offered any of them? I9500 or I9505?

i9500 because its faster and it will be more battery friendly plus my country barely supports 3G LOL

Isn't Al Gore an Apple board member? What are you doing on XDA?

Probably I9500 just cause it is an intriguing and very interesting SoC.

I9505 for me.

dont really care .... both seem fairly equivient.... i want the best of dev support and 4g....

From my understanding the Snapdragon 600 would be getting better support, and is preferable if you have LTE, while the 9500 is supposed to be a bit faster with processing and battery life? I'd go with the 9505 then, since the GS4 is already a monster on processing power, and battery is less of a concern for me since I can just take it out and pop in a fresh one if I need to. I live in the States and plan on using an MVNO under Sprint that has 4G LTE where I live (suburbs), so I could use the LTE advantage.

I would pick the I9505 for LTE and also SD600 is good enough for me.
BTW, there is another like this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2210468

I9505. Better development, and lte. I keep hearing that exonys will have better battery, but I haven't seen any proof yet to justify it.
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I'll go with the i9505 for LTE and better community support.
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LTE isn't a factor for me, so I'm still on the fence. I'll need to see an in depth review of the Exynos version to make up my mind.

Actually . The i9500 will be better than i9505 at all means and is better . Except for LTE
Speed : i9500 - 8 Core
Dev Support : i9500 will be still faster with less source codes than i9505 becuase even though SD releases the source code - it is a 4 core one while the other is a 8 core
and With the new governer tacken by cyanogenmod from samsung [PegasusQ : utilizes all cores better for exynos] it will be only faster
And with overclock for i9500 : nothing will stand against this beast
There will be official Cyanogenmod for i9500 by the lord cyanogen himself as his G+ post suggests and official AOKP by me maybe

@mithun46 not all 8 cores work at the same time FYI
btw is 1.6 cortex actually better than 1.9 snap?

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@mithun46 not all 8 cores work at the same time FYI
btw is 1.6 cortex actually better than 1.9 snap?
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If the clock is at a lower speed to perform the same exact speed as the higher clock then id say yea. And from personal experience exynos has always been on point

Wait for Galaxy S4 LTE-A?

Was waiting for GS4 Octa 32GB to arrive in UAE and it is available now but this LTE-A variant has Snapdragon 800 and Adreno 330 which is definitely faster than the original version, I am not able to decide if I should get the 32GB version now or wait for the LTE-A, will Samsung release this internationally? I change my phone in two years so I want something which doesn't get outdated soon.

Wait for the LTE as it supports 4g and support glse 3.0 and has better battery life so it cud spend more time with u
but if u want a phone for 2 years dont choose samsung because its screen burns and becomes bad after sometime

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Wait for the LTE as it supports 4g and support glse 3.0 and has better battery life so it cud spend more time with u
but if u want a phone for 2 years dont choose samsung because its screen burns and becomes bad after sometime
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Well I am using S2 from the last two years and no issues with the screen so far, I don't care about 4G, the choice is in between Exynos Octa and Snapdragon 800.

most likely won't come international. Samsung always releases a korea only version, as their networks are generally more advanced then the rest of the world (not as good as Japan's networks though).

qazmed said:
Wait for the LTE as it supports 4g and support glse 3.0 and has better battery life so it cud spend more time with u
but if u want a phone for 2 years dont choose samsung because its screen burns and becomes bad after sometime
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caudex said:
most likely won't come international. Samsung always releases a korea only version, as their networks are generally more advanced then the rest of the world (not as good as Japan's networks though).
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I hope they don't release it internationally or it will definitely annoy existing S4 users.

ila420 said:
Well I am using S2 from the last two years and no issues with the screen so far, I don't care about 4G, the choice is in between Exynos Octa and Snapdragon 800.
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Most users dnt see it but it is there and mostly in black screen
there is a thread abt it in the general forum check it out

qazmed said:
Most users dnt see it but it is there and mostly in black screen
there is a thread abt it in the general forum check it out
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So you mean S4 is not a good choice if I want to keep the phone for two years, what about S4 Active it has TFT screen but will have to compromise in internal memory as it has only 11GB available for usage.

ila420 said:
So you mean S4 is not a good choice if I want to keep the phone for two years, what about S4 Active it has TFT screen but will have to compromise in internal memory as it has only 11GB available for usage.
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W8 for note 3 they say it will have lcd screen i wish if i had w8ed for note 3 i prefer phablets over phines

qazmed said:
W8 for note 3 they say it will have lcd screen i wish if i had w8ed for note 3 i prefer phablets over phines
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Phablet is too big for me, I don't like any phone more than 5 inches, S4 fits best but with so many variants it is really difficult to decide what to get which can be with you for a long time, 32GB plus point for I9500, Screen plus point for Active and Snapdragon 800 plus point for LTE-A, it is really confusing.

Just one last question, the Octa version has powervr SGX 544MP3 and Snapdragon one has Adreno 320, was reading on the web that only Adreno 320 will support opengl es3.0 which will come with Android 4.3.
Does this mean PowerVR is not future proof?

ila420 said:
Just one last question, the Octa version has powervr SGX 544MP3 and Snapdragon one has Adreno 320, was reading on the web that only Adreno 320 will support opengl es3.0 which will come with Android 4.3.
Does this mean PowerVR is not future proof?
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Nothing is future proof .
Get the S600.
North Americans use that device... my experience is that devices that have more North Americans using it tend to have more developer support... possibly because they have alot of programmers over there ?
The long and short is long after Samsung stops releasing updates for the phone teams like Cyanogen will still support it.
Secondly Google Edition runs on tbe S600
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ila420 said:
Just one last question, the Octa version has powervr SGX 544MP3 and Snapdragon one has Adreno 320, was reading on the web that only Adreno 320 will support opengl es3.0 which will come with Android 4.3.
Does this mean PowerVR is not future proof?
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I am also in uae.. I choose i9505..its best for the future.. Supports opengl es 3.0, the hardware is same as that of google edition s4..so you will get updates faster(aosp) & may be even after samsung stops updating the s4..s600 is more developer friendly than the exynos version.. So you will have so many mods or coustom roms etc
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