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Windows Mobile 7 - Useful links and information

The intention of this topic is to list what we know about the up and coming Windows Mobile 7 compared to the current Windows Mobile 6.5.
Add your links here to any stories, fact, rumours or photos.....

Nice one witNer. I just hope this thread turns out to be all it should be.
One question I do have for now: when the hell is WM7 out? I've heard Q1 2010 right through to Q4 2010. Do we simply not know yet, and are just hearing guestimates and rumors?

I think you can call this facts:
http://msftkitchen.com/2009/12/windows-mobile-7-silverlight-applications-ie-mobile-7-and-more.html

johncmolyneux said:
One question I do have for now: when the hell is WM7 out? I've heard Q1 2010 right through to Q4 2010.
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It was Q1 for RTM/Official announcement, Q3-4 for actual devices sporting it.
There hasn't been an uber-official rock-solid announcement as of yet, nobody has promised anything, so it's all pretty much in the "rumors" category, even if these rumors come from official sources - things can change...
A fact is that it will be based on CE6, so a lot of things will be different from what we have now, including a new memory model, so some things will be gone, like the 32MB/32 process count limits (and many "out of memory" errors with them). Welcome 2GB address space world. It's also a fact that current leaking 6.5.x builds are not WM7 as many people suggest. These are CE5.

It's worth checking out References 49-69 on the Wikipedia page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_mobile

I'm not sure you're right about the motion gestures using the camera: gyro sensors being now part of the minimum requirements for Windows Phone 7

Kridek said:
I'm not sure you're right about the motion gestures using the camera: gyro sensors being now part of the minimum requirements for Windows Phone 7
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Quite.
For something labeled as "Windows Mobile 7 - FULL DETAILS", it's surprising that there's nothing under the facts column, and in the rumours section one is outright wrong, the other more or less describes what we got in 6.5...
There's enough details, screenshots, videos, rumours, etc. out there that we have a pretty good idea what's coming. Those with inside sources know with reasonable certainty what the final product is like, features are firming up fast.

No win 7 for us?
http://www.htcphones.net/htc-hd2-will-not-get-wm7-update/

janne303 said:
http://www.htcphones.net/htc-hd2-will-not-get-wm7-update/
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laughable drivel from a spurious source..
anyway this was supposed to be about winmo7 not the HD2
some more from chapman.
http://msftkitchen.com/2009/12/windows-mobile-7-6-years-in-making.html

ofcourse win7 is coming to a piece of hardware like the leo if not well make it come

[Q] Has anyone already news about Windows Phone 8?

Hey all,
As the title suggests, this is the question to you pros .
Are there any Infos already available?
I know it might be too early but asking can't harm anyone
If there are any, do you think it will be portable to our lovely HD2?

I think you are getting ahead of yourself I mean windows 8 hasn't even come to computers yet

Finalforce1111 said:
Hey all,
As the title suggests, this is the question to you pros .
Are there any Infos already available?
I know it might be too early but asking can't harm anyone
If there are any, do you think it will be portable to our lovely HD2?
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Windows 8 is scheduled Autumn 2012 which means WP8 will be way after that i'm afraid. Being a big fan of Win 7 and WP7 i can only say that we'll welcome the new releases with open arms.

Finalforce1111 said:
If there are any, do you think it will be portable to our lovely HD2?
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I extremely doubt it.
WP8 will almost certainly be only for dual core+ devices by the time is developed/released.

We are still in waiting for stable Mango release..... You are into WP8

we know it will be released with the windows 8 desktop platform, the problem is at what stage of the windows 8 desktops life, all we can say for sure is that they both will exist at the same time, so somewhere between 2012 -2014 more likely the towards the latter.
im actually quite liking this unified OS idea, lets just hope MS doesnt cut the balls of the desktop OS like its done with WP

Wrong location for this post...

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Wrong location for this post...
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thanks man i wasn't the one to say it

Come on people, mango is not out yet... Windows 8 RC may become available for public testing this fall, but no promises... The current windows8 supposed versions are skinned w7 with some additional options that may or may not make it in the final release of w8. The tile UI is not available. WP8 is not even in the books right now, mango will be the one to look for. Mango on hd2 is rubbish compared to the mango released officially from Microsoft for developers that is working flawlesly. Forget that dual core crap too, those are single core processors designed to handle graphic as a separate process. Microsoft has an agreement to make the software upgradable across the board, so it will not limit any device as long as it meets the base requirements. This said by the time that is out, what we have now will be so outdated. HD2 will always be the best phone I have ever had (I have 4). All running different things. Not to say anything else, its time to let them to rest and only for testing stuff or even just let it rest in pice and be the best phone ever made for cross system platforms. HD7 is great and mango is flawless. Spend some $$$ and experience the real thing. You already had a taste of the Os. Let it go. Better things are coming.

hdfanatic said:
Come on people, mango is not out yet... Windows 8 RC may become available for public testing this fall, but no promises... The current windows8 supposed versions are skinned w7 with some additional options that may or may not make it in the final release of w8. The tile UI is not available. WP8 is not even in the books right now, mango will be the one to look for. Mango on hd2 is rubbish compared to the mango released officially from Microsoft for developers that is working flawlesly. Forget that dual core crap too, those are single core processors designed to handle graphic as a separate process. Microsoft has an agreement to make the software upgradable across the board, so it will not limit any device as long as it meets the base requirements. This said by the time that is out, what we have now will be so outdated. HD2 will always be the best phone I have ever had (I have 4). All running different things. Not to say anything else, its time to let them to rest and only for testing stuff or even just let it rest in pice and be the best phone ever made for cross system platforms. HD7 is great and mango is flawless. Spend some $$$ and experience the real thing. You already had a taste of the Os. Let it go. Better things are coming.
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fair enough but we shouldn't ditch the HD2 just yet... its an incredible phone that me and my friend cant find a MAJOR flaw between it and his HD7

WP 8.1 leaks!

Hey,
Have you read about the private 8.1 SDK beta that started? The screenshots look legit, and the verge confirmed this too: http://www.reddit.com/r/windowsphone/comments/1xloor/wp81_is_going_to_have_javascript_support/
Especially the SD card option is interesting, and the ability to prevent SD card installs in the manifest sounds like a great idea to me (it makes modifying apps a lot harder, since you'd need an unlock to get any files). what do you think?

th0mas96 said:
Hey,
Have you read about the private 8.1 SDK beta that started? The screenshots look legit, and the verge confirmed this too: http://www.reddit.com/r/windowsphone/comments/1xloor/wp81_is_going_to_have_javascript_support/
Especially the SD card option is interesting, and the ability to prevent SD card installs in the manifest sounds like a great idea to me (it makes modifying apps a lot harder, since you'd need an unlock to get any files). what do you think?
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This
April 2nd can't come soon enough.
I hope there is a way it would be leaked to the public, so we could download this...
Apps in SD means 16+64GB for my ativ S.

So just get the Preview for Developers app from Microsoft and install the MS bits. No need to wait for the firmware update from the OEM... I'll receive WP8.1 as soon as Microsoft releases it, without even waiting for my OEM, much less my MO, to approve it.

the SDK is pure awesomeness...
...and full of bugs xD
Well, i suppose users will have a new annoying thing to complain about...

I love all of the changes implemented in WP8.1, but I'm not going to do the developers preview unfortunately. I'd rather wait until all the bugs are ironed out.
People seem to be complaining about the skinned live tiles being a customization option. While it may take away from the uniqueness of live tiles' designs from each other, depending on the background chosen, it may look pretty sweet. Although, I'd love to have an option for an actual background instead.

any idea when it could be available in "preview for developers" ?

It was said all over the internet that developer preview is expected to launch at this year's BUILD event, which will take place on April 2nd.

DaviUnic said:
It was said all over the internet that developer preview is expected to launch at this year's BUILD event, which will take place on April 2nd.
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waiting for it !!

What's New in Windows Phone 8.1

This article describes key new features and improvements in Windows Phone 8.1.
"A must read" for all WP developers (but not a hackers of course )
There are lot of "tasty" features in WP 8.1; as for me, it sounds like a great platform improvement without having to upgrade hardware. Hope to get dev preview of WP 8.1 very soon

I've been looking all morning for this article...thanks.

Didn't the leaked SDK contain all this a few months ago?

Sunius1 said:
Didn't the leaked SDK contain all this a few months ago?
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No, some things were hidden.

Hi,
An post, talk already of Windows Phone 8.1, on XDA Portal.
http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...tion-center-windows-to-bring-back-start-menu/

anaheiim, this topic is a little bit different. Article I've posted shortly describes new APIs for developers; it's not a discussion about user experience
P.S. Joke:
- Did you heard: Cortana will marry Siri?
- Are you kidding? It's not possible!
- No, it's possible in 17 states...

sensboston said:
anaheiim, this topic is a little bit different. Article I've posted shortly describes new APIs for developers; it's not a discussion about user experience
P.S. Joke:
- Did you heard: Cortana will marry Siri?
- Are you kidding? It's not possible!
- No, it's possible in 17 states...
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You are right, I did not see your link to MS dev blog in your first post.
Dev Preview of 8.1, will be released, of microsoft source during the first half of April.
And WPCentral source, announce April 14.
And for those who did not know (but I think you're all aware), the WP8.1 SDK is officially available in Release Candidate.
http://dev.windowsphone.com/en-us/downloadsdk

Yikes! This Windows Phone 8.1 Update seems to be a whole new OS with a ton of new features and improvements in UI and API.
Still didn't get: do they at MSFT plan to make the Update freely available through Windows Update to exiting Windows Phone 8 customers?

Luxon said:
Yikes! This Windows Phone 8.1 Update seems to be a whole new OS with a ton of new features and improvements in UI and API.
Still didn't get: do they at MSFT plan to make the Update freely available through Windows Update to exiting Windows Phone 8 customers?
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Yes! All Windows Phones can get updated to 8.1. It depends on when (and sadly, if) your carrier releases it. However if you want to get past that, you can just join the dev preview and it'll be downloadable sometime this month. Sources have been saying either the 10th or the 14th. So lookout

desolateone1 said:
Yes! All Windows Phones can get updated to 8.1. It depends on when (and sadly, if) your carrier releases it. However if you want to get past that, you can just join the dev preview and it'll be downloadable sometime this month. Sources have been saying either the 10th or the 14th. So lookout
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I thought MSFT had complete control over which devices get upgraded?
I saw in build conference that they had upgraded even the lowly 520 to 8.1!
Cheers!

desolateone1 said:
Yes! All Windows Phones can get updated to 8.1. It depends on when (and sadly, if) your carrier releases it. However if you want to get past that, you can just join the dev preview and it'll be downloadable sometime this month. Sources have been saying either the 10th or the 14th. So lookout
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Joe posted in twitter, that they don't know exact date. It'll be first part of April.

-W_O_L_F- said:
Joe posted in twitter, that they don't know exact date. It'll be first part of April.
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and he didn't mention the year

ceesheim said:
and he didn't mention the year
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I really thought they said (at build) that 8.1 preview was supposed to be available for download today 4/8.

They do. What part of @desolate1's post suggested otherwise? Join the dev preview program and get the update straight from Microsoft (as soon as it releases) while the bits are fresh!
It's only if you want to get it through your OEM and/or carrier that you'll need to wait, and risk disappointment. Reading comprehension, yo!

Android M Discussion thread

A place for all of us Nexus 6 users to talk about Android M and the Developer Preview any bugs or anything we find. Download links are at the bottom of this post
Android M features new features like:
Android Pay
Snooze
App permissions
USB-Type C support
Native fingerprint scanning
More to come later!
Not working:
waze
amazon music
uber
mlb at bat
evernote
flesky
directv
Cinemark
Download M System Image: http://storage.googleapis.com/androiddevelopers/shareables/preview/shamu-MPZ44Q-preview-c1d6506a.tgz
Download Page for other devices: http://developer.android.com/preview/download.html
@vomer made a thread for images and flashables! http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3120851
M Screenshots
How to root Android M! http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3123285
Version 2 is out! Find the system image here: http://developer.android.com/preview/download.html
Direct Version 2 link: http://storage.googleapis.com/androiddevelopers/shareables/preview/shamu-MPZ79M-preview-e1024040.tgz

Snooze has me intruiged , seems like its Project Volta but forced at a system level instead of waiting for developers to implement into apps

Is it possible to do fingerprint scanning via the screen, with software? Or does it have o be a separate piece of hardware?

I assume hardware

Do we have to wait for I/O to end before Google throws the switch to the M preview? I for see several servers crashing for about 2 days or at least 6-10 hours before a stead fast DL.
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longshot21771 said:
Is it possible to do fingerprint scanning via the screen, with software? Or does it have o be a separate piece of hardware?
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Hardware such as Qualcomm's Sense ID
Sent from my GS6

Is Android M really going to look the same as L? There has to be at least a little bit of UI changes.

I've never flashed a developer preview before. Is it possible to flash with a nexus toolkit or does it need to be done in adb?

stevew84 said:
Is Android M really going to look the same as L? There has to be at least a little bit of UI changes.
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Yeah I thought it looked like the UI wasn't going to be a major change.

italia0101 said:
Snooze has me intruiged , seems like its Project Volta but forced at a system level instead of waiting for developers to implement into apps
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"Doze"? But yes I to am asking the same question, my N6 never was plagued with all the bugs many are having except the battery, but for sure can't wait to load M up and see!
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italia0101 said:
Snooze has me intruiged , seems like its Project Volta but forced at a system level instead of waiting for developers to implement into apps
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I already get 95% deep sleep with screen off...I fail to see the point of Doze. I suppose if you're always getting FB and G+ pings all day it might help sleep more.
adam29617 said:
Do we have to wait for I/O to end before Google throws the switch to the M preview? I for see several servers crashing for about 2 days or at least 6-10 hours before a stead fast DL.
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Rumor has it the preview is coming out today. Least that is what people on reddit are reporting
stevew84 said:
Is Android M really going to look the same as L? There has to be at least a little bit of UI changes.
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It is really pretty underwhelming for a version uptick. It seriously looks like you could use M and never notice you didn't have Lollipop. Seems like Google is going all Mozilla in terms of versioning.

They already mentioned that there were minor tweaks to the core experience, but they probably don't feel they were worth highlighting.
L was a huge visual revolution. Why did people expect M was going to have a big graphical overhaul or update?

inkdrink said:
They already mentioned that there were minor tweaks to the core experience, but they probably don't feel they were worth highlighting.
L was a huge visual revolution. Why do people expect M is going to have a graphical overhaul or update?
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Probably because most people expect a major name-branded update to have something they'd visually notice....not a collection of under-the-hood bug fixes and side improvements that you could easily never notice. Because all the stuff they highlighted are things that even power users might never touch or notice were there.

I suppose that's fair, but on their yearly update schedule I'm betting just about every update in the future will be name-branded, and I doubt they'll all be UI-heavy. Either way, I still see a lot I'm excited for. Android Pay will be nice as someone who uses but has grown tired of Wallet, and contextual Google Now in apps is pretty cool as well.

Skripka said:
Probably because most people expect a major name-branded update to have something they'd visually notice....not a collection of under-the-hood bug fixes and side improvements that you could easily never notice. Because all the stuff they highlighted are things that even power users might never touch or notice were there.
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Yup just like the crazy differences between Froyo and Gingerbread. Or the transformation of Jelly Bean into Kit Kat.
In reality we have no idea what visual changes will be made because the software is not finalized. The M preview is just a dev preview so that apps can be updated with the latest APIs from day 1. They barely showed anything as it relates to M that would show any real visual differences.

People act surprised that M looks the same as L. Look at Google history most updates don't change too much (if at all) from updates. ICS to JB etc. Yes GB did have a green theme but that was already having several updates with minimal ui changes except maybe a launcher. Hell even KK was very similar to JB. Take away google now launcher and visually they look the same

Greg Tolan said:
Yup just like the crazy differences between Froyo and Gingerbread. Or the transformation of Jelly Bean into Kit Kat.
In reality we have no idea what visual changes will be made because the software is not finalized. The M preview is just a dev preview so that apps can be updated with the latest APIs from day 1. They barely showed anything as it relates to M that would show any real visual differences.
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The most frustrating thing is there are allegedly "1000s" of bug fixes from reports. They claim they're in the M preview, and they claim said preview will be available later today....I know this is a revolutionary thought, so hold on to your hat, but why not push those fixes to Lollipop and publish 5.1.2 next week? Rather than force users to have to wait possibly 5-12 months for an update they may never get (depending on their device OEM)?
The alleged number of fixes in M are an order of magnitude greater than the number of fixes in all the Lollipop updates for the Nexus 6, combined, thus far. And Lollipop is still pretty buggy, especially if you're not on a Nexus.
md1008 said:
People act surprised that M looks the same as L. Look at Google history most updates don't change too much (if at all) from updates. ICS to JB etc. Yes GB did have a green theme but that was already having several updates with minimal ui changes except maybe a launcher. Hell even KK was very similar to JB. Take away google now launcher and visually they look the same
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IIRC KK brought a bunch of notification tray improvements in ICS and JB. But that was ages ago, and I'm going off memory. Also KK ran a ton better than ICS or JB.

http://developer.android.com/preview/index.html
Live.

I find android L right now to be beautiful, and I personally don't want them to change a thing.

is it possible to flash this onto a secondary rom with multirom?