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Ipad fanboys on the Xoom board.

First off, why the heck did you buy a Xoom in the first place, it's kinda like you were asking for trouble and then paying for it, kinda stupid.
You say that the lack of high def video support is your main beef (especially after certain people point out that the vaunted all high powerfull apple didn't have all that many tablet apps on its initial release), but your keep switching the bar for what the problem is. You now say that the problem is no native, "Hardware" support for high def, but apple doesn't have that either, even the vaunted Ipad 2 doesn't seem to come with a hardware decoder for high def, and you apperantly realize that a software decoder is on the way, one way or the other, for the Xoom, so your only beef is it's not here now.
You know what, I'm not normally one of those Linux geeks who likes to show how smart I am and disdains others trying to play with my software, but [email protected] you apple guys are some annoying perfectionist f√cks that I'd rather not have on my team, and not just perfectionist but blind to the faults in your own chosen gods.
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Many people like myself picked up an iPad when it was apparent that Android had nothing to compete with it. I bought mine over the summer expecting Android to release something, anything, that could compete with it during the fall, at which time I would sell the ipad and pick up the Android tablet. During that period of waiting, I picked up a Galaxy S phone, specifically the Epic4g. I later found out that Galaxy S phones were nearly identical to the iPad hardware wise. I am continually blown away by how awesome this phone is and its capabilities. I am not an iPad fanboy. I think the hardware is amazing, but iOS is annoying and far too simple. So that is where I am coming from:
The FACT that the Xoom is incapable of playing high profile [email protected] or higher is ridiculous given its specs and who the manufacturer of the SoC is. I'm sorry. The iPad running XBMC and my Galaxy S phone natively can play files that the Xoom cannot, and that is kinda pathetic, as neither of those devices are dual cores and both are running years old GPU tech. Maybe sometime in the future the Xoom will be able to software decode these videos by maxing out both cores of the CPU, but that is both not ideal and unlikely and will destroy battery life compared to hardware decoding which uses the GPU.
And yes, the iPad hardware decodes these videos using XBMC the same way that my phone hardware decodes natively. Natively they limit the capability of the ipad to pimp their iTunes garbage, but the capability was there in the hardware for ingenious people to take advantage of. The iPad had Air Video also, which mitigated much of its unjailbroken shortcomings until XBMC was ported. No such capability exists for the xoom according to the very people who brought the port of XBMC to the iPad.
As for the rest of your post where you go on about "teams" and other nonsense, what are you talking about. People can appreciate both platforms and both devices.
tl;dr: Part of the reason some of us were/are upset at this glaring shortcoming is that we have been waiting forever for an Android tablet to come swoop us off our feet and for months now Nvidia has been pimping its SoC as the bringer of all things HD and graphically sexy. Then we come to find out that oh yea, it only plays this VERY VERY specific kind of HD that no one uses and that is surpassed by last years PHONE technology. Its not the end of the world, but its personally what I use my iPad for most.

I have both so its easy to compare one to the other. With that said, looking forward to Xoom updates to bring feature parity. Hopefully something can be done with the craptastic video playback support.

No offense, but I enjoy snuggling up with my gf in front of my regular LCD TV to watch my movies. Why go through all that trouble of jailbreaking when another update will force you to revert? And why go through all that trouble to play a movie on a tablet when I can I play it back perfectly on my hdpc? I have more than a ½ TB of movies and how many movies are on my tablet....just three. Why? Just to show it off to others. In the end each is their own. But I didn't purchase my tablet to just play movies or music. I purchased it for productivity simply. Not saying ipad can't be that, but I prefer to free myself from iTunes. It's a bastard and no hack or mod will make any apple product work my way.

muyoso said:
Many people like myself picked up an iPad when it was apparent that Android had nothing to compete with it. I bought mine over the summer expecting Android to release something, anything, that could compete with it during the fall, at which time I would sell the ipad and pick up the Android tablet. During that period of waiting, I picked up a Galaxy S phone, specifically the Epic4g. I later found out that Galaxy S phones were nearly identical to the iPad hardware wise. I am continually blown away by how awesome this phone is and its capabilities. I am not an iPad fanboy. I think the hardware is amazing, but iOS is annoying and far too simple. So that is where I am coming from:
The FACT that the Xoom is incapable of playing high profile [email protected] or higher is ridiculous given its specs and who the manufacturer of the SoC is. I'm sorry. The iPad running XBMC and my Galaxy S phone natively can play files that the Xoom cannot, and that is kinda pathetic, as neither of those devices are dual cores and both are running years old GPU tech. Maybe sometime in the future the Xoom will be able to software decode these videos by maxing out both cores of the CPU, but that is both not ideal and unlikely and will destroy battery life compared to hardware decoding which uses the GPU.
And yes, the iPad hardware decodes these videos using XBMC the same way that my phone hardware decodes natively. Natively they limit the capability of the ipad to pimp their iTunes garbage, but the capability was there in the hardware for ingenious people to take advantage of. The iPad had Air Video also, which mitigated much of its unjailbroken shortcomings until XBMC was ported. No such capability exists for the xoom according to the very people who brought the port of XBMC to the iPad.
As for the rest of your post where you go on about "teams" and other nonsense, what are you talking about. People can appreciate both platforms and both devices.
tl;dr: Part of the reason some of us were/are upset at this glaring shortcoming is that we have been waiting forever for an Android tablet to come swoop us off our feet and for months now Nvidia has been pimping its SoC as the bringer of all things HD and graphically sexy. Then we come to find out that oh yea, it only plays this VERY VERY specific kind of HD that no one uses and that is surpassed by last years PHONE technology. Its not the end of the world, but its personally what I use my iPad for most.
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Thank you for being reasonable, even if I was coming off as some what of a d/ck. We actually do not fully know yet if the Xoom's hi def restrictions are totally related to hardware yet, some on the notion ink board have hinted that it is merely a problem with the OS and that the hardware can handle it, this actually makes sense when you think about it, after all nvidia is first and formost a graphics oriented company. So we could see an OS fix and have a hardware native solution.
Whatever the problem might be, the issue I generally have is that the apple fan boys are quick to dismiss the overall capability of the system in favor of a system that is fully developed, you can't compare nor compete with a system that is fully developed to it's ultimate potential with a system that is just beginning to feel itself out into what it can become. You might love the finished product of the Ipad, but at the same time understand that it has limits that the Xoom doesn't.
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If the Adam has a Tegra 2 and can play high quality videos, the XOOM is absolutely capable of it. Right?

I bought an iPad2 tonight to have both

arrtoodeetoo said:
If the Adam has a Tegra 2 and can play high quality videos, the XOOM is absolutely capable of it. Right?
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Yes, exactly, the problem seems to be OS related, so fixable.
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cwizardtx said:
I bought an iPad2 tonight to have both
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That's the best of both worlds. Enjoy!!!

muyoso said:
tl;dr: Part of the reason some of us were/are upset at this glaring shortcoming is that we have been waiting forever for an Android tablet to come swoop us off our feet and for months now Nvidia has been pimping its SoC as the bringer of all things HD and graphically sexy. Then we come to find out that oh yea, it only plays this VERY VERY specific kind of HD that no one uses and that is surpassed by last years PHONE technology. Its not the end of the world, but its personally what I use my iPad for most.
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+1 on that one sir. you have no idea how long i was following the tegra 2 story last year. it is disappointing that there's a ton of codec issues on the xoom. I'm quite sure this is a software, not hardware issue.
However, Google/Motorola needs to be aware of this asap. The louder the noise, the more they will do something about it.

richardjr said:
Yes, exactly, the problem seems to be OS related, so fixable.
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Except that the Notion Ink is similarly incapable of high profile [email protected] or higher video playback. Its a Tegra 2 issue.

cwizardtx said:
I bought an iPad2 tonight to have both
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win!
i like apple's hardware just fine (my work machine is a macbook pro, which boot into xp) and i still have a 7 year old 64gb iPod and it still works somehow. what i don't like is apple OSes and walled gardens and devices that i can't do what I want with. i like to feel like i own a device. and i guess i might have to admit i'm a bit of a fanboy. i'm pretty bought in to the whole google ecosystem. I've even got a Cr-48 my xoom is sitting on top of.
but the positive side of this iOS vs Android thing is that we're getting some kickass products from the battle. without the fierce competition (in the wake of Apple changing the smartphone market with the first iPhone) we'd all still be stuck on palm/webOS, blackberry or winbloze mobile.

muyoso said:
Except that the Notion Ink is similarly incapable of high profile [email protected] or higher video playback. Its a Tegra 2 issue.
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OK, well I have asked my brother whom is a programer for Motorola what the actual hardware support is and I have posted on the nvidia developer site to explain what the capabilities are hopefully I will get a reply.
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muyoso said:
Except that the Notion Ink is similarly incapable of high profile [email protected] or higher video playback. Its a Tegra 2 issue.
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Can the Ipad or Ipad 2 support [email protected] or higher video, and I mean native hardware, not software, and is the tegra 2 not capable with a software correction while the Ipad or Ipad 2 is, in other words is one device especially deficient as apposed to the other?
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Well... I am for one have switched to the other side - and LOVING IT!
Dont get me wrong - once the Android platform is a little more mature - I will be back! Until then good luck and enjoy waiting for fixes, games, apps and the 2nd generation around the corner.
(You may ask why did I give up my Android - well it was ViewSonic with a TERRIBLE screen. I also found the applications to be very substandard (games, etc.). I am one of those Linux/Java geeks who LOVE recompiling kernels, developing fixes/apps, etc. but for now.. I just wanted something that I would be productive with.
Anyway... I write this for google and other android manufactorers to see... I will be back.. I promise but I will NOT spend $800 on a beta platform ($400 would have taken me)!
I think I chose wisely
READ:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4215/apple-ipad-2-benchmarked-dualcore-cortex-a9-powervr-sgx-543mp2

I have an ipad, pretty much since day 1. How could you not be a fan? It is a market defining device like the ipod. MS has been talking tablets for 10 years and hasn't been able to pull it off. I don't use mine for movies or music and I still like it. For my uses, the Xoom is a better fit as it has a real file system, sd memory, usb hosting, Motorola seems to have warmed to rooting, etc. but my ipad (which I won't be upgrading) is still an excellent device. Android needs a media manager, hopefully a unified Android platform, to compete with ipad for most people. Maybe that will be Google Music?
Thank you Apple for raising the bar. If it wasn't for the iphone we'd be stuck with WM5.0 or a RIM still doing text only emails. As long as Google and Apple are chasing each other devices and innovation will be better and better and we have choices.

richardjr said:
Can the Ipad or Ipad 2 support [email protected] or higher video, and I mean native hardware, not software, and is the tegra 2 not capable with a software correction while the Ipad or Ipad 2 is, in other words is one device especially deficient as apposed to the other?
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The iPad supports nothing out of the box for obvious reasons. Its a closed ecosystem. The hardware is willing but iOS is unwilling. Installing XBMC however allows my iPad to play up to high profile [email protected] 720p videos before it begins to show signs of stuttering. Everything I have read including a direct quote from the dev behind the XBMC release for iOS who bought a Tegra 2 developer kit to begin the porting to the Tegra 2 platform is that Nvidia's Soc is incapable at a hardware level of high profile video @ L4.1 or higher. That is, with perfect drivers and codecs, that is the maximum it can achieve. The iPad2 will be able to do a lot more than the original iPad most likely. I wouldn't be surprised if it was capable of 1080p high profile @L5.1.

stanglx said:
Well... I am for one have switched to the other side - and LOVING IT!
Dont get me wrong - once the Android platform is a little more mature - I will be back! Until then good luck and enjoy waiting for fixes, games, apps and the 2nd generation around the corner.
(You may ask why did I give up my Android - well it was ViewSonic with a TERRIBLE screen. I also found the applications to be very substandard (games, etc.). I am one of those Linux/Java geeks who LOVE recompiling kernels, developing fixes/apps, etc. but for now.. I just wanted something that I would be productive with.
Anyway... I write this for google and other android manufactorers to see... I will be back.. I promise but I will NOT spend $800 on a beta platform ($400 would have taken me)!
I think I chose wisely
READ:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4215/apple-ipad-2-benchmarked-dualcore-cortex-a9-powervr-sgx-543mp2
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SERIOUSLY! I returned my Xoom to Costco on thursday and got my ipad 2 yesterday and I'm extremely glad i did ($400 bucks in my pocket :]). I dont care how "closed" it is, the iPad handles media beautifully. The xoom couldn't even handle the large pdfs i threw at it, zooming and page turning was a stuttering mess (i know its a software issue but still!) while the iPad zips through the pages with such ease. This goes for movies as well, xoom=stutter or forceclose while ipad = smooth. And the apps, wow, they are amazing. Garageband on a tablet is so ridiculously awesome. And now there is a flash player for ipad! The iswifter app for ios played every damn flash video and game i through at it.
While the cameras on the xoom are better, the ipads cameras are plenty sufficient for what most people are going to use them for. Video chat and photbooth lol. For all other stuff i have my Epic 4g which takes beautiful pictures Speaking of epic 4g, i can finally use wireless tether now because the ipad supports BOTH infrastructure and adhoc. I know the Wireless tether 3.0 supports infrastructure but it caused my phone to reboot way too much.
For all you people saying the ipad 2 sucks and what not, please do read the anandtech review of it.
I still do hope xoom does well though. If it doesn't, developers won't move their apps from the appstore to the market place. Hopefully by the time the Galaxy Tab 10.1 comes out, honeycomb will be a little more mature. I Can't wait to see whats in store for android at google io this year (got my student ticket )

Congrats. Go post it on an apple board where someone cares. This is xoom board. it's a xoom dev board even.

Did anyone read the anandtech review of the PowerVR SGX543MP2 that they just posted? Holy testicles, it demolishes the Tegra 2 GPU.

Coming from G-Tablet

I'm having to return my gtablet because there is an issue with the sound and the battery. I bought it from someone on ebay so I can't get a replacement. I have to say apart from the sound going out for no reason whatsoever the gtablet was amazing. So fast and responsive. I played with the xoom today which I preordered from amazon. And I really love honeycomb's interface and that the buttons are on the screen but I can't say I'm at all impressed with the performance. I used the browser and it was so slow and laggy and wouldn't respond to my touches half the time. And I made sure to use the task manager to kill all other apps. Also the flash video performance was sub par compared to the gtablet.
Then I downloaded speedx 3d free and it ran no better that it does on my nexus one. Whereas on my gtablet it runs so buttery smooth at 60 fps. The xoom that I was playing with at best buy was on the newest update. I hope these r just software issues with honeycomb that get ironed out soon but I don't feel to confident for some reason. Something tells me I'm not going to see the kind of raw performance like I did with the gtablet, as nice as honeycomb is.

Where you running a custom rom on your G-tablet? That would explain its stability and speed.
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Gtab runs froyo and a lower resolution. But has same processor. That explains the performance difference. HC is still new and is not optimized fully yet. At this point you're a early adopter and will deal with bugs and performance issues.
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ksc6000 said:
I'm having to return my gtablet because there is an issue with the sound and the battery. I bought it from someone on ebay so I can't get a replacement. I have to say apart from the sound going out for no reason whatsoever the gtablet was amazing. So fast and responsive. I played with the xoom today which I preordered from amazon. And I really love honeycomb's interface and that the buttons are on the screen but I can't say I'm at all impressed with the performance. I used the browser and it was so slow and laggy and wouldn't respond to my touches half the time. And I made sure to use the task manager to kill all other apps. Also the flash video performance was sub par compared to the gtablet.
Then I downloaded speedx 3d free and it ran no better that it does on my nexus one. Whereas on my gtablet it runs so buttery smooth at 60 fps. The xoom that I was playing with at best buy was on the newest update. I hope these r just software issues with honeycomb that get ironed out soon but I don't feel to confident for some reason. Something tells me I'm not going to see the kind of raw performance like I did with the gtablet, as nice as honeycomb is.
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What was your opinion on the screen difference? 2.2 on a Tegra2 is like running XP on an i5.
If it's any consolation I have no problems with lag in general and SpeedX runs super. I only get a momentary delay here and there in certain apps, not worth complaining about.

I just got my Xoom on Friday and I am Very, Very impressed with the Speed and Smoothness of the device. I use Dolphin HD as my Browser and it runs just fine. No lag and pages load rather quickly (even while Wirelessly Tethered to my Rooted HTC EVO). I returned the iPad 2 I had and exchanged for the Xoom and have Zero regrets. While the iPad 2 is nice, to me it's just a blown up iPod Touch (I have a 32gb iPod Touch 3rd Gen) so I would know. The Xoom is an Amazing Tablet. I put 3 Blu-Ray movies on my Xoom already (Toy Story 3, MegaMind and Kung-Fu Panda) so the kids can watch movies while we are out and about. As far as Apps go, I have found plenty of Apps for the Xoom and they all look fine to me.

ghodzilla5150 said:
I just got my Xoom on Friday and I am Very, Very impressed with the Speed and Smoothness of the device. I use Dolphin HD as my Browser and it runs just fine. No lag and pages load rather quickly (even while Wirelessly Tethered to my Rooted HTC EVO). I returned the iPad 2 I had and exchanged for the Xoom and have Zero regrets. While the iPad 2 is nice, to me it's just a blown up iPod Touch (I have a 32gb iPod Touch 3rd Gen) so I would know. The Xoom is an Amazing Tablet. I put 3 Blu-Ray movies on my Xoom already (Toy Story 3, MegaMind and Kung-Fu Panda) so the kids can watch movies while we are out and about. As far as Apps go, I have found plenty of Apps for the Xoom and they all look fine to me.
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Returned it? You should have sold it -- could have easily made a hundred bucks on it, or more.
ksc6000 said:
I'm having to return my gtablet because there is an issue with the sound and the battery. I bought it from someone on ebay so I can't get a replacement. I have to say apart from the sound going out for no reason whatsoever the gtablet was amazing. So fast and responsive. I played with the xoom today which I preordered from amazon. And I really love honeycomb's interface and that the buttons are on the screen but I can't say I'm at all impressed with the performance. I used the browser and it was so slow and laggy and wouldn't respond to my touches half the time. And I made sure to use the task manager to kill all other apps. Also the flash video performance was sub par compared to the gtablet.
Then I downloaded speedx 3d free and it ran no better that it does on my nexus one. Whereas on my gtablet it runs so buttery smooth at 60 fps. The xoom that I was playing with at best buy was on the newest update. I hope these r just software issues with honeycomb that get ironed out soon but I don't feel to confident for some reason. Something tells me I'm not going to see the kind of raw performance like I did with the gtablet, as nice as honeycomb is.
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I've seen the same thing - not just in Quadrant / Nenamark but just with the naked eye. My guess is that it's either the higher resolution of the Xoom screen, or perhaps the HC Nvidia drivers are not that mature yet. Either way, the GTablet (and the Adam) seems speedier, overall.
The Xoom TFT screen is definitely better than the GTAB, however.

roebeet said:
I've seen the same thing - not just in Quadrant / Nenamark but just with the naked eye. My guess is that it's either the higher resolution of the Xoom screen, or perhaps the HC Nvidia drivers are not that mature yet. Either way, the GTablet (and the Adam) seems speedier, overall.
The Xoom TFT screen is definitely better than the GTAB, however.
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So let me ask a semi-evil question. You have enough money to buy either a WiFi Xoom or another G-TAB. Which would you get?
Add one more condition, whatever I get I will be "handing down" to someone in November as I plan to get a KalEl tablet when those come out about then (KalEl being the quad-core Tegra that nVidia has begun demoing)?
Thanks in advance!

EwanG said:
So let me ask a semi-evil question. You have enough money to buy either a WiFi Xoom or another G-TAB. Which would you get?
Add one more condition, whatever I get I will be "handing down" to someone in November as I plan to get a KalEl tablet when those come out about then (KalEl being the quad-core Tegra that nVidia has begun demoing)?
Thanks in advance!
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Other than multi-tasking will the Quad core run any better than the Duo?
I have read that there is little difference between the i5 and i7 except for apps that specifically talk to the extra cores!

EwanG said:
So let me ask a semi-evil question. You have enough money to buy either a WiFi Xoom or another G-TAB. Which would you get?
Add one more condition, whatever I get I will be "handing down" to someone in November as I plan to get a KalEl tablet when those come out about then (KalEl being the quad-core Tegra that nVidia has begun demoing)?
Thanks in advance!
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If those were the only two options, then a Xoom hands down. It's got a lot of problems (ie. missing microSD support, speed lag at the moment etc.) but it has a MUCH better screen and that is absolutely critical to me.
The reason why I write "the only options" is that I might consider a Tegra 2 IPS device, when they get released. Whenever that happens (maybe in a month?). As for KalEl, that's in the late summer / fall so it's really not on the radar, yet.
I think the Xoom Wifi $600 (or less?) option should be a decent product, especially once they shake out the bugs in Honeycomb.

rjoudrey said:
Other than multi-tasking will the Quad core run any better than the Duo?
I have read that there is little difference between the i5 and i7 except for apps that specifically talk to the extra cores!
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I Think the Quad is supposed to be 5x Faster than the Dual. and that the GPU has 16 cores or somin. The Newer Tegra Nvidia chips Blow away the last.

You should have really not use task manager and kill apps. Because most of them will restart after being killed. So all the apps start at once will cause the gpu generates lots of power and the os may get unresponsive and laggy. So get rid of that damn task manager.
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X 2. Im running your tnt lite rom on my gtab and it seems to run a lot quicker overall v. My xoom. Too bad you cant improve the atrocious viewing angles on the gtab tho
roebeet said:
Returned it? You should have sold it -- could have easily made a hundred bucks on it, or more.
I've seen the same thing - not just in Quadrant / Nenamark but just with the naked eye. My guess is that it's either the higher resolution of the Xoom screen, or perhaps the HC Nvidia drivers are not that mature yet. Either way, the GTablet (and the Adam) seems speedier, overall.
The Xoom TFT screen is definitely better than the GTAB, however.
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Other than multi-tasking will the Quad core run any better than the Duo?
I have read that there is little difference between the i5 and i7 except for apps that specifically talk to the extra cores!
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Java programs will immediately take advantage of all 4 cores since Java is naturally multithreaded.

Until these benchmarking apps are updated to take advantage of OpenGL 2.0 you're not going to see high scores on any Honeycomb tablet.

Well, I had considered the iPad 2, but I am trying to get away from supporting iOS at home. Particularly as ugly as the upgrade for the original iPad to the latest update went.
I would like to get something now since I believe the Tegra 2 IPS tablets you're referring to are likely to be more of a July timeframe, and will likely be quickly passed over by the KalEl chips.
For the person asking if the additional cores will make much difference - the current Tegra 2 is most comparable to an Intel Atom. And the programs and video performance on these tablets pretty much match that.
The KalEl is supposed to actually exceed Core 2 Duo speeds and capabilities. So in that sense we are talking about going from essentially a netbook to essentially a notebook in terms of performance. Heck that is why there are rumors of an iPad 3 in that same timeframe. Because once that generation of chips come out it is going to be a very open question whether you need anything more than a tablet and a bluetooth keyboard for anything that requires less than a true desktop experience.
My .02 worth of course

how much do you think these newer tablets will cost? same 600 dollar price range? I'd probably want to sell my wifi xoom and then buy a newer model rather than wait that long.

patass said:
how much do you think these newer tablets will cost? same 600 dollar price range? I'd probably want to sell my wifi xoom and then buy a newer model rather than wait that long.
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If you're talking the KalEl equipped tablets, I presume they will be in about the same range, with the current tablets discounted a little similar to what Apple did with the first generation iPads. That said, I expect there to be just limited availability over the holiday season with probably only one or two manufacturers shipping by Thanksgiving.
Of course there are already some component shortages due to the Japanese earthquake. One area where Apple has an advantage since they have pre-ourchased a lot of their supplies. So while they may get them later than planned, they usually are assured of getting them first, and at a fixed cost.
FWIW...

Always take your experience with a display model with a grain of salt. Unlike the fresh G tab that you unboxed yourself and handled/tweaked with care, the display Xoom has gone through hours upon hours of goobers and children wailing away at it, changing default settings, etc.

Elysian893 said:
Java programs will immediately take advantage of all 4 cores since Java is naturally multithreaded.
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I'm going to have to disagree with you. Some parts of Dalvik (android's version of java), like the garbage collector, will take advantage of multiple cores. Android as an OS uses tons of threads, and will get snappier with more cores... but Android was written to explicitly use multiple threads.
What I'm saying is that apps won't use multiple cores unless the programmer DESIGNS them that way.

Possible specs for 7 inch xoom ?

what would you want in a newer model xoom,
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/09/19/new-7-motorola-tablet-spotted-in-the-wild/

OP's link actually goes to a YouTube video for: "HOW TO MAKE CANNABUTTER~Medical Marijuana Butter RECIPE"
Don't waste your time people.

How about it lacks youtube videos on how to make cannabis butter? I think that would be a solid start.
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Oops posting at 4am was killer .....I posted proper link haha

hmm..looks suspect to me why would they have 2, the one in the background has loads of stuff resting on it.

To be honest I wouldn't mind a different form factor...but I have never been a big widescreen type person.

juelzfire23 said:
Oops posting at 4am was killer .....I posted proper link haha
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hahah suuuuure. 4 am. not the cannabutter.

Specs aren't hard to guess: ICS, 1+GHz dual-core SoC (probably OMAP4), 4G, 1GB RAM, 16GB flash, micro-USB, micro-HDMI, $350-400 for base wifi, +$50-100 for 4G. Price will be in higher range if enterprise, lower if consumer.
There'll be one or two software value-adds for differentiation purposes, like built-in Netflix or Hulu. Or, since enterprise is the target, then some ent-oriented services.
Portrait bezel looks narrow for pudgy finger types. Let's hope that white plastic border is of the grippy variety.

Tegra 3 not so great as they would make us believe

iPad 2 beating it on every front. ICS may fix this but we will have to wait and see on that front.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5163/asus-eee-pad-transformer-prime-nvidia-tegra-3-review/3
and from a 'somewhat' biased site.
http://semiaccurate.com/2011/11/09/tegra-3-missed-performance-goals-by-wide-margins/
http://semiaccurate.com/2011/04/06/nvidia-in-full-philosophical-retreat-for-tegra-3/
http://semiaccurate.com/2011/10/19/nvidia-tegra-roadmap-slips-a-year/
http://semiaccurate.com/2011/08/04/a-look-at-tegra-3-3-3-and-4/

Bahahahahahahahahaha
ipad2 not so great as they would make us believe ......
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My phone has a single-core processor and my tablet has a dual-core. That's pretty damn good. If I NEED computing power, I have my quad-core i7 rocking, 8 GB puffing, ATI HD5870 running laptop that can do just about anything.
Let me know when Android can run a fully-featured version of Photoshop or something better than iMovie, I'll happy jump onboard the X-core bandwagon. I might even leave Windows behind then...

Let me ask simple question. How did they come up with those numbers? No, it is not a stupid question. Did they use an app to come up with those numbers? Did they hook the devices up to some kind of machine and then did measurements? What did they use?
The point I'm trying to make is since iOS and android are different platforms, if they used an app to do these measurements, they'd have to use 2 completely different apps for 2 completely different platforms. Apple has been exposed to fabricate their signal strength and battery bars count. Their OS also don't show error messages when something crashes. How do we know they didn't fabricate these numbers as well?

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Let me ask simple question. How did they come up with those numbers? No, it is not a stupid question. Did they use an app to come up with those numbers? Did they hook the devices up to some kind of machine and then did measurements? What did they use?
The point I'm trying to make is since iOS and android are different platforms, if they used an app to do these measurements, they'd have to use 2 completely different apps for 2 completely different platforms. Apple has been exposed to fabricate their signal strength and battery bars count. Their OS also don't show error messages when something crashes. How do we know they didn't fabricate these numbers as well?
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The software they used is right there...GLBenchmarks and Basemark. It's exactly the same as testing your frame rates for video games that are made for different platforms, ie. Windows and OSX. The games themselves have their own engines that can show you what frame rates you're running at so why should it be any different between Honeycomb and IOS.
It's the same software...
I do remember Apple fabricating their signal bars, but not their battery life. Unlike a certain website, *cough*ENGADGET*cough*, Anandtech is a reputable tech site that is more unbiased than others.
The reasons I can believe it is true?
My iPad 2 plays EVERY single video it can play (no flash of course) without fail. My Transformer? Sometimes (more often than not) it doesn't even play 360P Youtube videos without stuttering. Pathetic if you ask me.

stuckonduhmode said:
My iPad 2 plays EVERY single video it can play (no flash of course) without fail. My Transformer? Sometimes (more often than not) it doesn't even play 360P Youtube videos without stuttering. Pathetic if you ask me.
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If your Transformer can't play SD YouTube videos, you have a setup problem of some kind. Mine doesn't stutter at all, even on HD YouTube videos. It likewise doesn't stutter at all on high bitrate transfers of my own DVDs, which are well above the resolution and bitrate of SD YouTube vids.
Also note that Anandtech themselves clearly noted that they had problems with their initial test unit, as evidenced by the increase in wifi performance and battery life with their second unit. Until they've had time to rerun all their tests, I wouldn't put much weight in any of their original numbers.

My Transformer struggles with 720p @ High profile. How does the iPad 2 fare?

deadman3000 said:
My Transformer struggles with 720p @ High profile. How does the iPad 2 fare?
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correct me if I'm wrong..don't think iPad can handle 720p/1080p High profile either

magicpork said:
correct me if I'm wrong..don't think iPad can handle 720p/1080p High profile either
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iPad2 plays high profile 720p smoothly (B-Frames, cabac, etc). Not with the native player, but with appstore players like AVPlayerHD.
GT 10.1 and other Tegra 2 do, too, with market players like Dice and BS but they stutter on fast action scenes. iPad2 doesn't do that. I did oc my GT 10.1 and set cpu to Interactive and that gets rid of the stutter, but for my particular 10.1 Interactive leaves the tab unstable.
Never tried 1080p high profile on iPad2.

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My Transformer struggles with 720p @ High profile. How does the iPad 2 fare?
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If your struggling playng video, give BSplayer a try ... i tried dice player (as recommended) and NOTHING plays video better than BSplayer

Funny as I have been doing my own research on getting a tegra 3 or Ipad 2 or just nothing. YouTube videos work great for me. I have problems with ESPN videos on Tegra 2 compared to the OG Ipad. For the stutter, I like the close to 200.00, savings compared to the ipad.
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i sell and ipad2 before buying transformer.in video playing ipad2 is a bit more fluid,but at high profile 720p it is the same as tf,depend on which software you use for,but 100% lag free video you haven't with ipad2 and you haven't also with transformer.i suppose that tegra 3 chip with neon support included is more powerfull and generate more smooth and fluid videos than ipad2.personally i think that video playing is the only thing where tegra2 might be not exceeding,but not from an ipad2 chip but at least a tegra 3\exynos or newest qualcomm soc (with NEON as well)
correct me if i'm wrong mates...

Lack of NEON is the biggest let down of Tegera 2 IMHO. Reminds me of one of my friends with an aging AMD that had the clockrate but couldn't thunderbird on without newer instruction set extensions some games needed.
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goodintentions said:
Let me ask simple question. How did they come up with those numbers? No, it is not a stupid question. Did they use an app to come up with those numbers? Did they hook the devices up to some kind of machine and then did measurements? What did they use?
The point I'm trying to make is since iOS and android are different platforms, if they used an app to do these measurements, they'd have to use 2 completely different apps for 2 completely different platforms. Apple has been exposed to fabricate their signal strength and battery bars count. Their OS also don't show error messages when something crashes. How do we know they didn't fabricate these numbers as well?
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goodintentions said:
Let me ask simple question. How did they come up with those numbers? No, it is not a stupid question. Did they use an app to come up with those numbers? Did they hook the devices up to some kind of machine and then did measurements? What did they use?
The point I'm trying to make is since iOS and android are different platforms, if they used an app to do these measurements, they'd have to use 2 completely different apps for 2 completely different platforms. Apple has been exposed to fabricate their signal strength and battery bars count. Their OS also don't show error messages when something crashes. How do we know they didn't fabricate these numbers as well?
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It doesn't matter which software/platform. The software just measure how many fps at 720p the tablet can display. I think it's a fair comparison.
Does it matter in normal usage? i don't know. But it shows that the iPad2 GPU is better than the tegra 3 in this case.

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iPad 2 beating it on every front. ICS may fix this but we will have to wait and see on that front.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5163/asus-eee-pad-transformer-prime-nvidia-tegra-3-review/3
and from a 'somewhat' biased site.
http://semiaccurate.com/2011/11/09/tegra-3-missed-performance-goals-by-wide-margins/
http://semiaccurate.com/2011/04/06/nvidia-in-full-philosophical-retreat-for-tegra-3/
http://semiaccurate.com/2011/10/19/nvidia-tegra-roadmap-slips-a-year/
http://semiaccurate.com/2011/08/04/a-look-at-tegra-3-3-3-and-4/
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Dont forget Honeycomb is software rendering, ICS has hardware rendering (like the iPad).

Spidey01 said:
Lack of NEON is the biggest let down of Tegera 2 IMHO. Reminds me of one of my friends with an aging AMD that had the clockrate but couldn't thunderbird on without newer instruction set extensions some games needed.
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Thisthisthis. Most of your media playback issues? This is the reason. Except for the "SD YOUTUBE LAGS OMG SO PATHETIC" guy, which either has terrible internet or is doing something very, very wrong. My TF plays back high prof 720p no problem with Dice. If tegra2 had NEON, we'd have 1080p30f.
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Dont forget Honeycomb is software rendering, ICS has hardware rendering (like the iPad).
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That kinda has nothing to do with this...
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deadman3000 said:
iPad 2 beating it on every front. ICS may fix this but we will have to wait and see on that front.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5163/asus-eee-pad-transformer-prime-nvidia-tegra-3-review/3
and from a 'somewhat' biased site.
http://semiaccurate.com/2011/11/09/tegra-3-missed-performance-goals-by-wide-margins/
http://semiaccurate.com/2011/04/06/nvidia-in-full-philosophical-retreat-for-tegra-3/
http://semiaccurate.com/2011/10/19/nvidia-tegra-roadmap-slips-a-year/
http://semiaccurate.com/2011/08/04/a-look-at-tegra-3-3-3-and-4/
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Uhm, I like Charlie. I really do.
But sadly, as far as his Tegra stories are concerned, he seems to live in parallel (or maybe even perpendicular) universe.
Tegra2 he ridiculed so much and went as far as to claim that it will not get a single design win ended up cornering ENTIRE goddamn tablet market. Pretty much 100% of Honeycomb devices run on T2 (whether we like it or not).
Same with his "sky is falling, Tegra roadmap slips for a whole year". Well, the roadmap might have slipped (or was that just dumb marketing projections, not the roadmap itself), but the second part of the story is that even after slip, nvidia is still a whole year ahead compared to competition (4 core Kraits are scheduled market introduction Q4Y12).
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If your struggling playng video, give BSplayer a try ... i tried dice player (as recommended) and NOTHING plays video better than BSplayer
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Both (newest BSplayer, before ovt'11 release, it didn't even have ahardware acceleration) players are still not prefect and drop frames on panning or action scenes.
They also have bunch of non-performance issues:
-DICE player cannot playback 90% of embedded subs (and for those it can read, it will start showing them only after 30 seconds of movie have passed) out there and has ugly, undocumented GUI.
BSplayer suffers from nasty subtitle desyncing issue and its seeking implementation is utterly dysfunctional (you can only seek in random 15-30 secs jumps)
Oh, and both players suffer performance hit when streaming via SMB.
So yeah, for media consumption device(with 399-499 pricetag!; You could buy two netbooks for that money), Tegra2 tablets ****ing suck.

Of course what the Anadtech seem to conveniently "forget" is that the Transofmers display is much higher resolution than the iPad2 and therefore more pixels to populate...
Perhaps I should make a iPad2 killer tablet that 120 pixels x 120 pixels that downscales 720p video at can play at insane framerates but looks ****. I'm sure the idiots at Anadtech would love it...

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Of course what the Anadtech seem to conveniently "forget" is that the Transofmers display is much higher resolution than the iPad2 and therefore more pixels to populate...
Perhaps I should make a iPad2 killer tablet that 120 pixels x 120 pixels that downscales 720p video at can play at insane framerates but looks ****. I'm sure the idiots at Anadtech would love it...
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Afaik both ipad and TF simply upscale the games.

Samung's Next Tablet - 2560x1600 11.6" Display

BGR has learned from a trusted source that Samsung is set to launch an 11.6-inch tablet running Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich next year, and it will most likely be unveiled at Mobile World Congress in February. Even though the tablet features a larger display than Samsung’s Galaxy Tab 10.1, we’re told that the tablet is “barely larger” due to the fact the slate will have a thinner bezel with a whopping 2560 x 1600 resolution, 11.6-inch screen with a 16:10 aspect ratio. The tablet will use a dual-core Exynos 5250 CPU clocked at 2GHz. We have also heard that Apple’s new A6 CPU will be very similar to the Samsung CPU, which is a dual-core Cortex A15 chip. Samsung’s tablet will also feature Android Beam for easy syncing of media with a Galaxy Nexus, and a special wireless docking mode for gaming on HDTVs that will help Samsung compete with Apple TV, AirPlay and more. Samsung had no comment.
http://www.bgr.com/2011/12/08/samsu...et-with-retina-resolution-tablet-in-february/
This will be my next tablet. The next-gen Exynos will blow the Teg 3 away without the gimickery of making a chip out of two dual-cores and a single core and having to step between them based on load.
http://www.bgr.com/2011/11/30/samsung-announces-dual-core-exynos-5250-soc-clocked-at-2ghz/

Wow, I hope Samsung workers condition are better then those from apple.

maurrubio said:
Wow, I hope Samsung workers condition are better then those from apple.
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Seriously? That's where your mind went after reading my post?
I believe the party you're looking for is over here...
http://www.slaveryfootprint.org/

I saw this a few mins ago but wasn't sure about performance

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I saw this a few mins ago but wasn't sure about performance
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There were links to two interesting articles that I read off of this forum.
The first was an engineer's analysis of the Teg 3 which in a nutshell called it a Frankenstein-ish method of improving performance that was totally dependent on Nvidia's skills in pulling it all together. All-in-all, it's older technology glommed together and manipulated to gain better performance. That approach also makes the chip incredibly expensive and difficult to fabricate. It'll be interesting to see how the chip performs once it's in large scale deployment. Even Intel, with all of their resources, has had manufacturing issues and had to recall chips. After the performance of the Teg 2 vs. other dual-core chips I'm not a big Nvidia fan.
The other fascinating article was from an engineer at Google talking about the way Android processes instructions and manages displayed content. It was explaining why there was some perceived stuttering and lag in the UI. I'm no engineer but in the detail of the Exynos 6250 it appears that Samsung's trying to address the challenge at the h/w level.
Regardless of the number of cores, the real test of a chip comes down to how well it handles various tasks. In Android the big challenges seem to be simultaneous execution of commands, high-profile video playback, and painting heavy content to the display. If this was a horse race I'd bet on Samsung's ability to address those three things better than Nvidia's. The existing Exynos is the dual-core chip to beat and I'm assuming the next-gen version won't disappoint.

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The other fascinating article was from an engineer at Google talking about the way Android processes instructions and manages displayed content....
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I think you are talking about this:
https://plus.google.com/105051985738280261832/posts/2FXDCz8x93s
And agree on your Tegra graphics part.

2560x1600 uh ?
highly unlikely IMO
1080 first

jeandujardin01 said:
2560x1600 uh ?
highly unlikely IMO
1080 first
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Did you read the press release from Samsung in the second link? It specifically mentions the ability of the new Exynos chip to support that resolution in tablets.

It had the ability to SUPPORT that resolution, does not say it will be that resolution. It would take a big chunk of the processor then, and which I'm sure would hurt overall performance.
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With this superb tech specs Samsung will rock in 2012.....but time being these are all rumors.... lets see next year....
http://mirolta.com/2011/12/09/samsu...android-4-0-ice-cream-sandwich-tablet-at-mwc/

this resolution #ucks the processor power , it needs a superior vga card to play games just normal

Every passing day, I'm feeling better about not having impulsively pre-ordered a Transformer Prime.

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this resolution #ucks the processor power , it needs a superior vga card to play games just normal
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No one seems to be reading the links. The resolution is retina. The reason Samsung's doing it is to beat Apple to market as the iPad3 will have the same or similar resoulution. The press release talks about the new architecture being used in the next Exyonos chip to drive that high a resolution. It also talks about the new chip Apple will be using. And as market leader, I'm sure Apple's not going to release a new device that performs more poorly than the device it's replacing. If Apple can pull it off, I'm sure Samsung can. Since Samsung's previously built Apple's chips, I see no reason the next Exynos won't peform as well or better than Apple's new chip. Even at a ludicrously high resolution.

wouldnt you give people a 1080p screen then a year later a new tablet with this 2560x1600 plus an even newer processor ?
technologies are slowed down on purpose in some cases, in other it takes steps to get to something better
Single core -> dual core -> quad core
Phones: WVGA -> qHD -> HD720
Tablets: WXGA -> FHD or in between -> WQXGA
and don't always trust rumors...unless it comes with a pic

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and don't always trust rumors...unless it comes with a pic
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From Samsung's own press release (hardly a rumor):
Primarily in high-end tablet PC mounted ‘Exynos 5250′ which evolved into a high-resolution ultra-high resolution according to the tablet market trends WQXGA (2560 * 1600) displays are supported.
In addition, when implementing a still image of the mobile device of the AP without additional signal transmission timing of the display screen with the images stored in the controller itself implements (Panel Self Refresh feature) at the system level power consumption is reduced.
And the reason I'd guess they're doing it is: A) because they manufacture their own chips and displays it will be difficult for competitors to replicate, and B) the iPad3 is supposed to have a retina display with similar resolution. Even today Samsung's discounted very little while Acer, Asus, Lenovo, and Toshiba have. To get the same price as an iPad in the future Samsung's going to have to offer features others don't. And every tablet announced except the Prime already offers a 1900x1200 display so what you're suggesting already exists for new main stream tablets. To command higher prices it makes sense for Samsung to mirror Apple rather then follow the Android crowd.

Interesting, but then again, not really something I am waiting for or willing to purchase.
The hardware on the tablets are already pretty great, for what is available right now. We need the tablets to improve on their functionality. Right now, they are great for surfing, odd TV/Movie viewing and social media. My Tegra 2 does that pretty spanky right now.
I don't feel that games have taken off in anything other then Angry birdish games. At the end of the day, the simple touchscreen doesn't really allow for the same kind of controllable dept that most games feature today.
Onlive is a good bet on how maybe gaming will evolve on the tablets, with special versions of the "real" games being released in some "tablet" manner.
Anyways, the numbers are impressive, but there really isn't anything that can take advantage of it nor is there really any needs for it. (Except in the niche "I have bigger numbers/e-peen" market, which can only sell so many units)
The galaxy tab 10.1 will be a perfect tablet with the release of ICS for it, then I am going to wait for the tablet to involve into more then what it currently is.

The galaxy tab 10.1 will be a perfect tablet with the release of ICS for it, then I am going to wait for the tablet to involve into more then what it currently is.[/QUOTE]
I hear that. I have had every tab settled with the Acer and 8.9. I'm good for now. But who wants a 12 inch tab? Seems too big. 7.7-8.2 is perfect.
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qhinton said:
I hear that. I have had every tab settled with the Acer and 8.9. I'm good for now. But who wants a 12 inch tab? Seems too big. 7.7-8.2 is perfect.
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For you, maybe. I've tried all sizes as well and find 8.9 perfect for me. But sometimes, like when sitting on a sofa or showing photos around, a larger tablet would be handy.
That's the beauty of Android - choice. Bring on multiple sizes! I'd love a higher pixel density - photos and small text look a lot sharper.

I don't care what kind of chipset or resolution will it be for the next Samsung tablet. Because for sure it is better than the current one (Tab 10.1)
But, I really want to increase my memory capacity with microSD instead of relying on current amount of it. Samsung can give to 7.0plus and 7.7 with this ability.. But why their big brothers (8.9 and 10.1) don't have one? Well, I can sync my music collection via Google Music. How about movies? This is the only situation that almost made me went to XOOM. Please Samsung...

To faridaizudden: I know it is not a perfect solution but I use the samsung adapter with a 32gig sdcard. I keep all the movies on that. The other option is to use dropbox or sugarsync to store movies and stuff. Then just download when needed.