What tells the phone that it's in a dock? I can deduce that it's not just the usb being plugged in, so there has to be more to it. I bought a desktop charger/cradle thing and I want to see what happens when it thinks it's docked, but it doesn't think that.
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What tells the phone that it's in a dock? I can deduce that it's not just the usb being plugged in, so there has to be more to it. I bought a desktop charger/cradle thing and I want to see what happens when it thinks it's docked, but it doesn't think that.
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I don't have the Smartdock but assume there is a chip or some type of hardware that interfaces with the phone via usb and tells the phone to prompt for dock mode. The standard Samsung dock doesn't do it from what I have seen just the more expensive Smartdock. I also allows connection of hdmi out and interface with other usb devices so there must be a board or other electronics inside to achieve this.
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This may seem like a really stupid question, but has anyone tried/succeeded in seeing if this device can charge off USB? That is really the only thing I dislike about it now that I have Dexter, I travel a lot and hauling an extra charger is just a pain.
What about charging thru the docking port if we had a usb cable to fit it?
im sure docking port would work, as it does work with folio100 as example.
but usb charge, is probably a no-go, i guess hardware needs to be redesigned to enable usb charging although kernel does allow you to enable it, but again, maybe a pin of the chip needs to attach to another location on board to enable it.
on folio100 it did not work.. and without kernel source to try changing/enabling it we dont know if it would work..
and remember the port is host/device based, so it might also be it only works when in device mode, which also means travellers would not be able to attach anything if they charge it.. so might be conflicting interests on how it should work. (if it worked)
Thanks for the reply.
I know I've seen this question asked elsewhere, but not for a while. You mentioned the docking port, have we seen ANYTHING that connects to it? even if not a full docking station, a cable to connect via USB to a computer.
Or has anyone figured out a pin map that someone could cobble together a cable
Has anyone found a way to tether through one of the Smart Dock USB ports? I'm interested in using the data from my phone but don't want to use the Hotspot function (don't want to root or pay for HotSpot so I wanna use tethering).
This Smart Dock was alot more finnicky that I had thought. For those having trouble, for me at least, HDMI and anything you're connecting via USB have to be plugged into the dock before you dock your phone to get anything to work. I also have to plug in the HDMI to get the USB ports to work which doesn't make sense to me but what do I know. I was surprised the dock doesn't have the full Micro B connector which I thought was necessary to have MHL and USBOTG at the same. If that's not the case, I'm not sure I understand what the extra pins are for on the Micro-B plug. My screen also automatically shuts off when I dock with HDMI, not sure if that's a "feature" or not.
Carsyn said:
Has anyone found a way to tether through one of the Smart Dock USB ports? I'm interested in using the data from my phone but don't want to use the Hotspot function (don't want to root or pay for HotSpot so I wanna use tethering).
This Smart Dock was alot more finnicky that I had thought. For those having trouble, for me at least, HDMI and anything you're connecting via USB have to be plugged into the dock before you dock your phone to get anything to work. I also have to plug in the HDMI to get the USB ports to work which doesn't make sense to me but what do I know. I was surprised the dock doesn't have the full Micro B connector which I thought was necessary to have MHL and USBOTG at the same. If that's not the case, I'm not sure I understand what the extra pins are for on the Micro-B plug. My screen also automatically shuts off when I dock with HDMI, not sure if that's a "feature" or not.
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Maybe it's my model number. I got the EDD-S20EWE. I notice the current one is S20JWE. Or maybe the $60 sale on Amazon got me a knock-off. In any case, there's no way in heck I could recommend this thing to anyone. Too finnicky. One of those gadgets you gotta hold your tongue right to make it work like its supposed to. It works when it wants to for me. I'm driving myself crazy unplugging and plugging stuff back in and restarting things to make it work.
If you want a desktop experience like me, instead of this thing, I'd recommend Screen Mirroring, bluetoothing to keyboard/mouse, and either tethering your data if need that like me, or adding the USB Connector dongle for any other USB items you need. Much less headache from my experience. YMMV.
Purchased this HU:
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/pro...747116176.html
So far it works great. I really like it and its a huge improvement over my first 4.4.4 HU as I can use the ENTIRE 16 GB for storage.
Unfortunately even still I am running into one problem. I cannot get any USB HUB I plug into it to become detected. If I plug a USB Flash Drive DIRECTLY into the USB plug of the Head Unit, it becomes detected and works right away. If I plug it in behind ANY USB Hub, the unit does not see the flash drive. It also does not see the USB HUB. What could be going wrong and is there anything I can do to fix it? My older Android 4.4 unit could use the same USB HUB right before I de-installed it so I know the HUB's are still functional.
maybe not enough power. Can you try a powered hub?
I'll try this, Something weird happens. When I turn the car off and reboot the radio by turning the car back on, the USB hub will be seen as long as it was plugged in when I turned the car off. If not, it wont work. Also it will only see 1 flash drive instead of 2. What gives?
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I'll try this, Something weird happens. When I turn the car off and reboot the radio by turning the car back on, the USB hub will be seen as long as it was plugged in when I turned the car off. If not, it wont work. Also it will only see 1 flash drive instead of 2. What gives?
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That really sounds like a power supply issue. If the head unit can find the hub *ever*, then it means it has the needed driver for it.
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That really sounds like a power supply issue. If the head unit can find the hub *ever*, then it means it has the needed driver for it.
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So I tested by powering my USB Hub to an AC Outlet charged by an wall in my garage with an extension cable and made sure the USB Hub lit up before I turned my car / stereo on so I verified it was receiving power but unfortunately this did not help at all. It made no difference.
What seems to be happening more specifically now is this.
When I plug USB Flash Drives behind a USB HUB, only ONE Flash Drive gets detected, the rest do not. And by that I cannot even mount them as they are not listed in storage, only USB 1. Now USB 1 does not ever take a single specific flash drive, it is random. Sometimes when I crank it, it will be one flash drive, other times it will take another flash drive, but always listed as USB 1. Other devices such as my mouse and keyboard behind my USB Hub are working no issues.
What else could be the problem?
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So I tested by powering my USB Hub to an AC Outlet charged by an wall in my garage with an extension cable and made sure the USB Hub lit up before I turned my car / stereo on so I verified it was receiving power but unfortunately this did not help at all. It made no difference.
What seems to be happening more specifically now is this.
When I plug USB Flash Drives behind a USB HUB, only ONE Flash Drive gets detected, the rest do not. And by that I cannot even mount them as they are not listed in storage, only USB 1. Now USB 1 does not ever take a single specific flash drive, it is random. Sometimes when I crank it, it will be one flash drive, other times it will take another flash drive, but always listed as USB 1. Other devices such as my mouse and keyboard behind my USB Hub are working no issues.
What else could be the problem?
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Well that's not a driver issue at all. That's an issue with the way Android (read: chinese butchered Android) picks and mounts a USB disk. They are actually *ALL* working, from a driver point of view.
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Well that's not a driver issue at all. That's an issue with the way Android (read: chinese butchered Android) picks and mounts a USB disk. They are actually *ALL* working, from a driver point of view.
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I see. So it's not mounting properly. Is there anything I can do about this? I would like to be able to use more than 1 USB storage device at a time.
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I see. So it's not mounting properly. Is there anything I can do about this? I would like to be able to use more than 1 USB storage device at a time.
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Mount them manually from the commandline.
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Mount them manually from the commandline.
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Will that require root? Also what is the command to mount them?
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Will that require root? Also what is the command to mount them?
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Root yes.
Command to mount.... "mount".
Is it possible to use dex without the official dock. For instance I already have (Samsung Multiport Adapter (EE-PW700BWEGUJ)) this dock for the Samsung windows tablet.
I hope it does so we dont have to spend $150 on top of spending $850 for the phone.
Very doubtful
I have a suspicion that DeX is just a much-upgraded version of SideSync. It required an application on your PC to show your phone screen in a window. So my best guess is that DeX dock acts as a client app, like SideSync on your desktop was. So, if that's truly the case, I doubt DeX will work with multi-port adapter.
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I have a suspicion that DeX is just a much-upgraded version of SideSync. It required an application on your PC to show your phone screen in a window.(...)
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Dex doesn't require a PC . You have to connect it directly to display and input devices such a mouse or keyboard. So you are using it instead of PC.
In my opinion this is just a HDMI adapter with separate USB hub, network socket, and cooler. I maybe wrong, but if im right it should be very easy to connect it in PC mode without Dex or with cheap replacement.
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Dex doesn't require a PC . You have to connect it directly to display and input devices such a mouse or keyboard. So you are using it instead of PC.
In my opinion this is just a HDMI adapter with separate USB hub, network socket, and cooler. I maybe wrong, but if im right it should be very easy to connect it in PC mode without Dex or with cheap replacement.
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This was exactly the point I was trying to make. SideSync required an app on your PC. DeX' idea of replacing your PC will probably require a similar "app" to run on the dock, in order to force a full desktop.
If S8 does support video out through USB-C port, it may be just a simple screen mirroring. Or, who knows, you may get full DeX experience!
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Is it possible to use dex without the official dock. For instance I already have (Samsung Multiport Adapter (EE-PW700BWEGUJ)) this dock for the Samsung windows tablet.
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Could this app be an option/solution?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.andromium.os
Should work with Chromecast (30 €)
Enviado desde mi SM-G930F mediante Tapatalk
Im sure once we have custom firmwares and so, someone will make it mock dock able and then all we have to do is cast the screen or usb type c to hdmi?
I'm also wondering this. Samsung Sells a USB-C to HDMI adapter for this phone.
I want to get one and try with something called a Pi Top to build the dex into that. So we could have a dex laptop.
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Is it possible to use dex without the official dock. For instance I already have (Samsung Multiport Adapter (EE-PW700BWEGUJ)) this dock for the Samsung windows tablet.
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I hope so. the phone puts out displayport over usbc, but the dock dumbs it down to hdmi which IMO was a dumb thing to do. They should have passed through the displayport over usb signal instead. Far more flexible.
Well I just bought a USB-C to HDMI with charging port and USB port, I will try it out once TMO ships my phone.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01IUXA9YK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
It's probably going to be a simple part/resistor/chip that lets the phone recognise the dock, will probably see clones and alternative solutions on eBay soon enough.
Can't see the dock serving any actual function that stops you from launching Dex without it.
I could be wrong.
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It's probably going to be a simple part/resistor/chip that lets the phone recognise the dock, will probably see clones and alternative solutions on eBay soon enough.
Can't see the dock serving any actual function that stops you from launching Dex without it.
I could be wrong.
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Certainly could be some encrypted key or something that makes it more difficult to emulate. Part of the cost of the Dex unit might be for the development of the software for it, even if it is included in every S8.. you need the Dex to unlock it.
So the Galaxy S8 does support USB C HDMI TV out via any HDMI adapter as I have tried.
However, it just mirrors the screen and the DeX experience is no where to be found without actually using the DeX dock!
I can confirm @khurram87 I get the same, screen mirror and no Dex.
Yep tried it with my Samsung hdmi + usb to usbc adapter. Just Hub and Video Out.... LAME.
I plugged my phone into one of these. No desktop.
I am assuming the Dex dock has some firmware which installs on the phone when docked. Someone with a rooted Exynos S8 may be able to pull those files and create an application which would launch into Dex-mode.
Manufacturers just can't seem to resist the urge to take a standard interface and stick some proprietary something on there to restrict your options.
A few years ago it was chargers (standard mini/micro USB charger, but device refused to charge in anything but that manufacturers approved chargers) - both for phones and even PS3 controllers.
Now it seems to be HDMI adapters/docks. The S8 apparently requires the DeX dock to enter desktop mode, despite that dock being nothing more than a standard USB-C dock beneath the surface., though at least HDMI output without the DeX software still works with it. The Nintendo Switch in comparison only allows HDMI output with the official dock.
I hope somebody comes out with a third-party adapter that works with both . . .one travel adapter to let me play the Switch on the big screen, or use my phone as a pseudo-laptop would be a must-have travel accessory compared to the over-priced single-purpose official docks.
^this!
My PH-1's screen died randomly and I'm trying to get my data off of it. Yes I know, shame on me for not regularly backing things up. I reached out to Essential and they suggested I purchase a HDMI to usb-c cable. When plugging in the cable on my replacement device everything looks great, but unfortunately the screen is oddly cropped when plugging in my old broken phone.
So, I'm looking for some help on how I might be able to get all my data off with my laptop. My current challenges are that the phone is locked and since I restarted the phone, my fingerprint isnt sufficient. I don't have debugging enabled nor do I have bootloader. I did enable developer options at some point before the screen went black though.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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My PH-1's screen died randomly and I'm trying to get my data off of it. Yes I know, shame on me for not regularly backing things up. I reached out to Essential and they suggested I purchase a HDMI to usb-c cable. When plugging in the cable on my replacement device everything looks great, but unfortunately the screen is oddly cropped when plugging in my old broken phone.
So, I'm looking for some help on how I might be able to get all my data off with my laptop. My current challenges are that the phone is locked and since I restarted the phone, my fingerprint isnt sufficient. I don't have debugging enabled nor do I have bootloader. I did enable developer options at some point before the screen went black though.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Without USB debugging (ADB) and a locked BL, your options don't really exist.
If the digitizer still works you might be able to plug the phone into a screen and unlock it and see enough to enable USB debugging.
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Without USB debugging (ADB) and a locked BL, your options don't really exist.
If the digitizer still works you might be able to plug the phone into a screen and unlock it and see enough to enable USB debugging.
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Is it possible to plug into a computer or only a tv? I plugged it into three different TV's, but every time the projected image of my phone was cropped and incomplete. I'm not able to see the entire numeric keyboard, but think I might be able to estimate if I could use a mouse.
I purchased two mice. One regular old USB mouse and a Bluetooth dongled mini remote keyboard with touchpad (h9). The USB mouse isn't recognized at all by the tv. The mini keyboard is recognized by the tv and I'm able to use it in Netflix ECT but when I'm connected to the phone in HDMI mode it displays a little message saying "not supported" when I try to use it. The tv is a Samsung smart TV that's about a year and a half.
Am I missing anything? Some other way of controlling the phone while plugged into the tv or a way connecting it to my PC and controlling it with my PC?
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Is it possible to plug into a computer or only a tv? I plugged it into three different TV's, but every time the projected image of my phone was cropped and incomplete. I'm not able to see the entire numeric keyboard, but think I might be able to estimate if I could use a mouse.
I purchased two mice. One regular old USB mouse and a Bluetooth dongled mini remote keyboard with touchpad (h9). The USB mouse isn't recognized at all by the tv. The mini keyboard is recognized by the tv and I'm able to use it in Netflix ECT but when I'm connected to the phone in HDMI mode it displays a little message saying "not supported" when I try to use it. The tv is a Samsung smart TV that's about a year and a half.
Am I missing anything? Some other way of controlling the phone while plugged into the tv or a way connecting it to my PC and controlling it with my PC?
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When I plug my phone into a monitor the monitor will rotate and the phone scales the display.
I'm using a cheap TopGeek adapter I got from Amazon.
Once you get the display stuff figured out. You should be able to unlock on the phone.
Then you can go in and enable developer debugging for ADB.
Or you can then pair a mouse and keyboard via Bluetooth.
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When I plug my phone into a monitor the monitor will rotate and the phone scales the display.
I'm using a cheap TopGeek adapter I got from Amazon.
Once you get the display stuff figured out. You should be able to unlock on the phone.
Then you can go in and enable developer debugging for ADB.
Or you can then pair a mouse and keyboard via Bluetooth.
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For some reason my tv isn't scaling the display of my old phone but does with my replacement. Are you using a computer monitor? And are you able to plug a mouse into the monitor to control the phone?
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For some reason my tv isn't scaling the display of my old phone but does with my replacement. Are you using a computer monitor? And are you able to plug a mouse into the monitor to control the phone?
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Not sure wh one would scale and the other would not.
I'm using a computer monitor.
My monitor does not support USB order HDMI. It's not a native USB-C monitor,