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[ICS] should they stop working on it

I've been following the ics project since after my birthday (11/27/11) and a lot has changed but when it comes to (FFC) it came to me that its not gonna work till maybe after the summer or never, whenever HTC gives out the code bit what's your opinion about the ics for the EVO 4G?
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This doesnt belong in the Android Development section, belongs in GENERAL.

My bad I thought it was general at first. The system will automaticly do it for me as usual.
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ummm my opinion on it is that if they dont want to they shouldnt. It will give us an awesome rom but more importantly that means our wonderful devs are learning stuff. this means that in the future they can use these experiences to help them in work or in other aspects of there personal lifes. so dev on guys you are doing great

Why in the world should they stop working on ICS? It makes little sense.
Deck and Kang and others are making great ICS ROMs for lots of phones, not just the EVO4G.

htc will release the code.. because it is an open source project. when is the question, not if.
ics will come..

Dan330 said:
htc will release the code.. because it is an open source project. when is the question, not if.
ics will come..
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The OS code is open source. The device drivers are not last I knew. So no, HTC does not have to release driver code.

HTC may release the FFC code for our OG's as soon as they sell enough of their newer devices.
They seem to be dragging their feet in releasing the official ICS updates for the Evo 3D and the Evo Design when they said they would, but they're holding it back, why? Cuz they want to sell enough of the One series models before they officially update the older HTC models that are scheduled to be updated with ICS.
Its kinda crappy of HTC to do that, but hey, they're a "for-profit" business.
But in answer to your question, heck no they shouldn't stop developing ICS for our OG Evo's! This sh*t is fun as hell.
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what is the point of this thread? why is that a question? sorry no disrespect.

Yeah, I don't get why a thread was started for this. But why should devs abandon ICS on Evo? Because they can't get FFC to work!? I've been on ICS since the minute they got camera working (around Xmas), and could NEVER imagine going back to GB or Froyo (well, ...maybe froyo).
Keep up the awesome work, all who are working on ICS for Evo.
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scottspa74 said:
Yeah, I don't get why a thread was started for this. But why should devs abandon ICS on Evo? Because they can't get FFC to work!? I've been on ICS since the minute they got camera working (around Xmas), and could NEVER imagine going back to GB or Froyo (well, ...maybe froyo).
Keep up the awesome work, all who are working on ICS for Evo.
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I flashed outer depth express from, which is a great rom , just for ****s and giggles and let me tell you I haven't tried sense for about a year now and if you want to appreciate ics, flash a sense rom and you will see y we won't look back.....omg.....
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I don't follow ICS what is FFC?
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BigSmoke53 said:
I don't follow ICS what is FFC?
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Front facing camera
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tomzefi said:
Front facing camera
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Wow I should know that, but I've never used mine so I never thought of it. But really why would they stop ics for that.
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BigSmoke53 said:
Wow I should know that, but I've never used mine so I never thought of it. But really why would they stop ics for that.
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That's my point. This thread makes no sense. Ics development for evo is extremely active. Don't understand the creation of this thread.
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Hahaha. Let's see... These devs have given us some of the smoothest ROMs our phones have ever seen, with incredible battery life and cutting edge features...
But if I can't look at myself in my phone with a FFC, what's the point??
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PsiPhiDan said:
Hahaha. Let's see... These devs have given us some of the smoothest ROMs our phones have ever seen, with incredible battery life and cutting edge features...
But if I can't look at myself in my phone with a FFC, what's the point??
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Hell no. I am ugly. I don't want to see myself anyway.
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The evo is EOL(end of life) HTC doesn't have to support it any longer meaning they won't release any source for it as they are not working on ICS for the device. Hardware mfgs may release source for the same hardware in other devices, like they did with the adreno or the devs may code their own drivers. But don't expect HTC to do a damn thing for the evo, period.
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All I'm saying we have a lot of people love the ics Rom but some people hate it cause no 4G. But let me tell one thing about the ics it came a lot since then and like some people who are poor or they don't make a lot of money, its hard to keep up with ics roms when the last two months the biggest change was 4.0.4 which is like starting all over again. Don't get me wrong with the debate about their work, its freaking amazing, but the biggest break through will be the ffc. Closest to that is from a horse ride to a plane ride experience
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I don't think that they should stop working on the ICS ROM's. I went from Sense to Ice Cream Sense to ICS and having ICS on my phone is like having a brand new phone. We don't have 4G in our area, and the front facing camera I hardly used. I am using gummyWorms ICS right now and so far had no major problems with it. There are minor glitches sometimes but, that is no big deal. I hope that the ICS developers can get everything working and I know that it will take time to do so. I appreciate all of their hard work in bringing us some ICS goodness to our phones.

Is a "Sense" ROM for Nexus 4 likely??

Not sure if this question has been answered yet or if there's already something in the works.
Has anyone heard or know of a Sense ROM thats being ported to the N4?
I do prefer AOSP over Sense any day but I love variety and switch it up up every now and then. Not to mention that I would love to see how the N4 handles it with its 4 cores and all..
Feel Free to post any Links, Rumors, Opinions, and/or leads on other similar topics.
With release of HTC M7 around the corner hopefully that will strike a match on Sense for N4!!
Thanks for your interst.

It would take an enormous amount of effort from a developer and there's pretty much no demand. So no there won't be a sense rom.
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Yes it's totally possible. G1, G2, and Nexus one all had Sense roms despite being shipped with Vanilla Android. Sadly no devs here appear interested in porting Sense but, hopefully they'll port Sense 5.0. My only concern is that all the devices I mentioned I had were HTC and well they shared drivers with sister devices and this could mean a port will be challenging...

letom said:
It would take an enormous amount of effort from a developer and there's pretty much no demand. So no there won't be a sense rom.
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I believe you are incorrect. There is a demand for the sense rom. ATM their is not a version we can port effectively until sense 5 drops.

nexus9988 said:
I believe you are incorrect. There is a demand for the sense rom. ATM their is not a version we can port effectively until sense 5 drops.
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If he is incorrect, I'm sure he has never been so happy to be.

estallings15 said:
If he is incorrect, I'm sure he has never been so happy to be.
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I would rather puke on myself before using a sense rom on the nexus 4.

Eric-1987 said:
I would rather puke on myself before using a sense rom on the nexus 4.
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Lucky for you, no one is forcing you to. I've seen a lot of useless, provocative comments, but yours was special.

Don't get your hopes up. The Galaxy Nexus got a Sense 4 ROM but it was pre alpha and the project stopped fairly quickly as there wasn't much demand. (I mean, this is a Nexus, amirite???? AOSP is what most people want)
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More Roms the better
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lyall29 said:
More Roms the better
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I want iOS 6 on my Nexus

I'm waiting for a symbian port........wtf

Now its getting out of hand. Mucho take it easy man.
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First Ubuntu port.

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First Ubuntu port.
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I'm looking forward to this. Since it's officially being released on the Galaxy Nexus I'm pretty much expecting a port for our N4
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What ppl don't understand is that it's nice having options. Sure a majority of ppl prefer AOSP over Sense, but if one gets bored they have something new to try out & tweak. Whether it's Sense, TouchWiz, or MotoBlur.
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The Nexus one had the same hardware as the HTC desire, barring different partitions and trackball. It was easy to port sense for that thing. Will be a lot harder on this phone.
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AttachedSilver said:
What ppl don't understand is that it's nice having options. Sure a majority of ppl prefer AOSP over Sense, but if one gets bored they have something new to try out & tweak. Whether it's Sense, TouchWiz, or MotoBlur.
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It may be so but if a developer won't get as much audience compared AOSP then there's not much point in continuing and refining the ROM (squashing bugs etc). I wouldn't mind using a Sense port, and there is a good chance someone will take on the challenge, but it will likely get close to using as a daily driver.
*not get close. Lol sorry
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gagdude said:
It may be so but if a developer won't get as much audience compared AOSP then there's not much point in continuing and refining the ROM (squashing bugs etc). I wouldn't mind using a Sense port, and there is a good chance someone will take on the challenge, but it will likely get close to using as a daily driver.
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+1
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No chance of a stable sense rom.

xchasa said:
No chance of a stable sense rom.
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Sorry that was a typo. I meant not get close to a daily driver
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[Opinion/Impromptu Poll] Cyanogenmod

Ok so if I'm not mistaken, one of the reasons we bought the One was so we don't have to use vanilla Android .Yes, no?
Let's discuss.
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Irish Enigma said:
Ok so if I'm not mistaken, one of the reasons we bought the One was so we don't have to use vanilla sense. Yes, no?
Let's discuss.
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What's vanilla sense? Anyway, think HTC did a nice job on Sense 5. Beautiful design, great ergonomics. Can't say that it is better or worse than vanilla Android.

hmm. Steve Kodik (cyanogen) said he bought the AT&T version yesterday. So, I think there will be a cyanogen ROM for our beautiful beast soon.
https://plus.google.com/u/0/100275307499530023476/posts/eGmW8e8sCn4

Unrivalled said:
hmm. Steve Kodik (cyanogen) said he bought the AT&T version yesterday. So, I think there will be a cyanogen ROM for our beautiful beast soon.
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even Koush ( dev of cwm, rom manager and cm dev ) got the htc one.. so we shud see it soon

Irish Enigma said:
Ok so if I'm not mistaken, one of the reasons we bought the One was so we don't have to use vanilla Android (corrected). Yes, no?
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I meant vanilla android.
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Irish Enigma said:
Ok so if I'm not mistaken, one of the reasons we bought the One was so we don't have to use vanilla sense. Yes, no?
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That seems unlikely since the choice of vanilla android devices from big brands is quite limited.

Yeah but Boomsound, 2 amplifiers, Infrared, BeatsAudIo, Imagesense chip, Zoe, MHL...
I love AOSP too, but I don't like to lose features...And HTC has so many non AOSP features...
Is HTC gonna update One to newer Androids. What do you think?

Option58 said:
Is HTC gonna update One to newer Androids. What do you think?
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KLP for sure; after that... Hard to say, but I guess we can all waste lots of time speculating.

I wont go to Vanilla, cuz Sense 5 is smooth and needs only few mods. I dont want to loose those Sense 5 features, so i vote no

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I meant vanilla android.
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Well maybe edit your first post and start a real poll since you called your thread poll in the title?

Dev support

See So are we going to see issues here between cdma and gsm support like a few other devices out there? Example : I had the sprint HTC one and it got much less development because of partition differences from the gsm variants.
Since all moto x variants use the same base I'm assuming we won't need to worry about those kinda problems?
I'm curious because I'm hoping this device will have much more aggressive development and an active community. Since the phone is near AOSP I'm also wondering if we will have kernel developers like Franco and others.
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See So are we going to see issues here between cdma and gsm support like a few other devices out there? Example : I had the sprint HTC one and it got much less development because of partition differences from the gsm variants.
Since all moto x variants use the same base I'm assuming we won't need to worry about those kinda problems?
I'm curious because I'm hoping this device will have much more aggressive development and an active community. Since the phone is near AOSP I'm also wondering if we will have kernel developers like Franco and others.
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I doubt we are going to see a very large Dev Community. I hope I am wrong. But since I haven't seen much interest by now - well - it just seems unlikely. Developers like to get new phones when they are brand new. And it doesn't seem to be happening. But I could be wrong. It would certainly not be the first time.

I think some stuff may be coming
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Personally, I want to get paranoid android running once i (eventually) get my dev edition

thepolishguy said:
I doubt we are going to see a very large Dev Community. I hope I am wrong. But since I haven't seen much interest by now - well - it just seems unlikely. Developers like to get new phones when they are brand new. And it doesn't seem to be happening. But I could be wrong. It would certainly not be the first time.
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Or all the Devs were waiting on the dev edition...
Edit* I was thinking about this more. In many respects, the developers invest time, energy and heart, into "fixing" the devices... making them better via firmware and kernel tweaks. I have yet to aquire my moto x... hoping it will be at my door Monday, but from what I have gathered, this device is one of the best out of the box experiences of any other available phone... developers may recognize that their skills may be better appreciated and put to use on devices that would see more benefit. Not to say the moto x doesn't deserve development, but rather, that it may not need it as much as an s4, htc one or g2.
Now, the moto x experience can still be enhanced by development support, but, again without having the device yet myself, it appears as though many are getting, out of box, the experience that so many developers are striving to make possible on many of the other phones currently available.
Personally, I can't wait to have a phone, near or at stock, that is almost exactly what I have been wanting... A harmonization of hardware and software that doesn't sacrifice the efficiency of stock Android and doesn't skimp on usable quality features.
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theraffman said:
Or all the Devs were waiting on the dev edition...
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Assume yes
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I, too, hope that we see decent developer support for the Moto X. I mean, the T-Mobile/Sprint versions have unlockable bootloaders, Moto just released dev editions which support cdma and gsm networks, the phone is available on all four major US carriers, so you'd figure we'd have healthy developer activity. Here's hoping that its just a matter of time.

1ManWolfePack said:
I think some stuff may be coming
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Oh there will be! You might have to stop in at Rootzwiki and help me win one!
http://rootzwiki.com/news/moto-x-developer-edition-giveaway-round-3-developer/

nitroglycerine33 said:
Oh there will be! You might have to stop in at Rootzwiki and help me win one!
http://rootzwiki.com/news/moto-x-developer-edition-giveaway-round-3-developer/
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Bump for nitro. Go the link he posted and upvote his entry in the comments. We need his rom on this phone!

thepolishguy said:
I doubt we are going to see a very large Dev Community. I hope I am wrong. But since I haven't seen much interest by now - well - it just seems unlikely. Developers like to get new phones when they are brand new. And it doesn't seem to be happening. But I could be wrong. It would certainly not be the first time.
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I'm afraid you might be right on this one.
Besides if AOSP ROMs break TC and AN that would be a major dealbreaker.

Anyone know why you would even want to root at this point if we can't flash roms
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bajasur said:
Anyone know why you would even want to root at this point if we can't flash roms
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Cyanogenmod mod is already working on the moto x, just needs time.
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Cyanogenmod mod is already working on the moto x, just needs time.
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Nice. I didn't realize that.
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bajasur said:
Nice. I didn't realize that.
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The exact quote on their Google+ moto section was the "Motorola team is working on it already."
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And a good developer hashcode picked up his developer moto x today.... Good things on the horizon...
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Will you guys really run a aosp ROM on this phone? It will most likely break all that is awesome about this phone.
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mentose457 said:
Will you guys really run a aosp ROM on this phone? It will most likely break all that is awesome about this phone.
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I could lose the voice features and not mind one bit , I will never constantly talk to my phone without it being a person... The active notifications are important to me.. If they can't harness that at all then I may stick with a stock rom that's just heavily modded when they come.
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Will you guys really run a aosp ROM on this phone? It will most likely break all that is awesome about this phone.
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Considering how close this is to AOSP, I'm sure a few devs might consider using the Moto X source as their base.

Nice to hear some development is finally happening but I feel for those who still have a locked boot loader, counting myself being one of the lucky ones who unlocked the boot loader. I guess no warranty suits me fine if I can flash roms
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Considering how close this is to AOSP, I'm sure a few devs might consider using the Moto X source as their base.
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There is no doubt there will be stock blur based ROMs. With phones available on every carrier with unlockable bootloaders, two working recoveries, we should see them popping up soon. AFAIK the only thing that is not quite right yet is the updater script.

Miui is almost complete [Update beta testing program]

New beta testing program guys first 30
http://en.miui.com/thread-10342-1-1.html
http://en.miui.com/thread-10011-1-1.html
Its almost done I can't wait
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finally an MIUI topic! it's surprising that the demand of such a beautiful rom is so low for our beautiful phone, @op if you could please keep this post updated with their progress, release date, etc. thanks!

Awesome news! I've been waiting for this ever since the build by adyscorpius was discontinued

bornotty said:
finally an MIUI topic! it's surprising that the demand of such a beautiful rom is so low for our beautiful phone, @op if you could please keep this post updated with their progress, release date, etc. thanks!
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Sure np
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I used scorpyous miuI for a week and it was pretty solid with a few bugs but nothing mayor the new themes are beautiful and some have been upgraded for 1080 devices , now just waithing patiently for the official to be released
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Yeahhhhhhh
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astoria85 said:
Yeahhhhhhh
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geez htc one gets a new rom in kit kat and miui...
bye bye other phones

bornotty said:
finally an MIUI topic! it's surprising that the demand of such a beautiful rom is so low for our beautiful phone, @op if you could please keep this post updated with their progress, release date, etc. thanks!
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not much demand + no one bothers about miui in americas. we just buy iphone if we feel ios'ish.

jags_the1 said:
not much demand + no one bothers about miui in americas. we just buy iphone if we feel ios'ish.
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You now I will disagree I own an iPhone and don't like it and saying miuI is the same as ios it's like saying touch wish is the same as sence 5 besides if anyone don't like miui just don't use it , besides the more roms the better
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MIUI? BURN IN HELL!
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jags_the1 said:
not much demand + no one bothers about miui in americas. we just buy iphone if we feel ios'ish.
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it's sad to know that MIUI is only 'iOSish' to you.

Update new beta testing
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Am I still able to beta test? Is this AOSP or sense based?
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wonder if anyone can just get the beta and share?

domineus said:
wonder if anyone can just get the beta and share?
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The miui team asked specifically that their testers don't do that...

Is it on kitkat? I don't think so, MiUi is always a few years behind
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Shu. said:
Is it on kitkat? I don't think so, MiUi is always a few years behind
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Exactly why I never use it. It was great on my Inspire 4G (Desire HD) though. Really kept me from throwing that phone a number of a times.