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Why TouchWiz 4 is better then HTC Sense 3.0 (my opinion)

I was not sure if I wanted to post this, being afraid people would think I suck or hunt me down and kill me. But since I dont have friends that are as "passionate" about smartphone's, I will take a risk and do it here lol
Why TouchWiz 4 is better then Sense 3.0
I have been thinking about this for a while. HTC Sense used to be great, I liked it a lot. The biggest reason everybody loved it was Stock Android being ugly and not complete. HTC Sense added usefull stuff to the OS.
Now that we are at version 2.3 of the OS, Gingerbread, Android has changed. It is as good as complete in terms of functionality, looks good (some people might not like the simple look, without eyecandy). It is better then before, thats for sure.
Skins are still appreciated by many people though. But I think the TouchWiz 4 UI is better at this point then HTC Sense 3.0. Why?
I think HTC Sense has become to much. When I look at the HTC Sensation I see a "heavy" skin, using RAM (I think?) much more then needed. From what I have seen scrolling between the homescreens is "choppy"/laggy, especially compared to TouchWiz 4 on the Galaxy S II. You can't change the dock shortcuts (always app drawer, phone and settings for skins, wallpapers and ringtones). All the animations are to much, slowing the device down and maybe consuming extra battery. And what good are the animations if you have that washed out screen? But that's about the Sensation, so I'm gonna get back to topic.
TouchWiz 4 adds exactly what is needed. If I look at the homescreen I see 4 shortcuts in the Dock, 1 more then stock Android. I see the possibility to have 7 homescreens, but also only 3 or 1. I see some (usefull) eyecandy with the "3D page view" slider. I see some usefull widgets that give you information on your homescreen. And a good appdrawer that is easy to organise.
So maybe I am crazy, but I think TouchWiz 4 is exactly the "light" and fast overlay Stock Android 2.3 needs. It provides some functionality (set how many homescreens you want, easy to rearrange, better organised Appdrawer) and some animations and eyecandy. But not to much. It leaves a lot of RAM alone to help us with multitasking. It stays close to the Stock Gingerbread experience but carefully adds only what is actually needed.
So, what I am curious about. Do you guys agree? I myself am really not missing HTC Sense at all and am happy with Samsung's work, imo making the stock android experience better, but not changing to much. Maybe stock android should even take some notes from this.
Well, thats it. Please dont kill me.

Sense 3.0 is a real looker and you can customize it up the wazoo, with wigets and skins and themes , but it really eats into the phones free ram memory.
See below for how much memory is left on the HTC Sensation compared to the SGS2
I was just playing though the videos to the point where them show the taskmanger on both phones and they killed all applications on both and we see how much memory was left.
HTC = total ram memory 768mb , Available 558mb , free after clear memory 185mb
GS2 = total ram memory 1024mb, Available 837mb ,free after clear memory 558mb
The Samsung GS2 has over 3 x as much free ram memory as the HTC Sensation.
That`s a lot more free ram memory for games and app designers to play with.
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your wrong and that my opinion
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Tinderbox (UK) said:
Sense 3.0 is a real looker and you can customize it up the wazoo, with wigets and skins and themes , but it really eats into the phones free ram memory.
See below for how much memory is left on the HTC Sensation compared to the SGS2
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Wow, thats all the RAM available on the Sensation? Thats really a huge difference with the Galaxy S II! This is exactly what I mean, Id rather take the TouchWiz UI with 3x more RAM available. It adds enough to make the experience fantastic.
All that free RAM > Sense overload of eyecandy and animations.

The video with the memory example is below , goto 14m15s if you want to see it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Mc4_LsNxoZY
XDA mark said:
Wow, thats all the RAM available on the Sensation? Thats really a huge difference with the Galaxy S II! This is exactly what I mean, Id rather take the TouchWiz UI with 3x more RAM available. It adds enough to make the experience fantastic.
All that free RAM > Sense overload of eyecandy and animations.
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It's just pure nonsense what the OP is saying, when you talk about sense you really just mean rosie sens' launcher it's not heavier or lighter than other launcher but the sense experience is much more many apps and widgets, some very good ones, which you can choose to use or not when you don't have use them they don't consume resources but it's great that they are there to and you can use them because sense includes perhaps the best touchscreen, keyboard, email, sms and many great widgets and more.
When I got the sgs2. The first thing I did was go tovthe market to get equivalents of sense widgets and app, and have pay for them and they are not even as good as the stuff sense gives you for free.

Tinderbox (UK) said:
The video with the memory example is below , goto 14m15s if you want to see it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Mc4_LsNxoZY
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You can not compare these values this is not how Linux memory management works, I already told you this in another thread, and Linux aggressively caches a lot of this this memory will not show up as free but is available. Use the free command to compare.

godutch said:
It's just pure nonsense what the OP is saying, when you talk about sense you really just mean rosie sens' launcher it's not heavier or lighter than other launcher but the sense experience is much more many apps and widgets, some very good ones, which you can choose to use or not when you don't have use them they don't consume resources but it's great that they are there to and you can use them because sense includes perhaps the best touchscreen, keyboard, email, sms and many great widgets and more.
When I got the sgs2. The first thing I did was go tovthe market to get equivalents of sense widgets and app, and have pay for them and they are not even as good as the stuff sense gives you for free.
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Im just looking from a "average" users perspective. When scrolling through your homescreens on the galaxy S II is much smoother then the HTC Sensation, people will notice. I mean you use your homescreen all the time. Overall the free RAM on the Galaxy S II gives you a smooth and fast experience. Better then on the Sensation/Sense 3.0.
So basicly, I am saying Sense 3.0 is not worth all that RAM. TouchWiz gives you a lot too and doesnt sacrifice that much RAM. Thats why my preference goes to the Galaxy S II with TouchWiz 4.
edit: I forgot to mention how bad Engadget hates on Sense these days lol. When I saw their Sensation review I vouldnt believe my eyes. But its got to mean something.. They aren't some random idiots on the Internet.,HTC Sense should have a total remake. Start fresh, like Samsung did with TouchWiz 4.

Sense does have some good widgets and modifacations but I find it overbearing as a launcher. I think that the slider to go between screens is a great addition. You can go back and forth to any screen without swiping and no need to pinch to pull down the overview which requires two hands which means I never use it anyways being as I prefer to use my phone one handed. I am expecting the usual suspects such as LP, GO, ADW, to borrow that for their launchers. I have been using TW as my launcher for a while now but I have de bloated it and use strictly the launcher aspect.

XDA mark said:
Im just looking from a "average" users perspective. When scrolling through your homescreens on the galaxy S II is much smoother then the HTC Sensation, people will notice. I mean you use your homescreen all the time.
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Scrolling through homescreens is not dependent on memory but on the CPU(or GPU but android doesnt use the GPU) but I do know it's buttery smooth on my desire and on the sensation I tested in Mediamarket
So basicly, I am saying Sense 3.0 is not worth all that RAM. TouchWiz gives you a lot too and doesnt sacrifice that much RAM. Thats why my preference goes to the Galaxy S II with TouchWiz 4.
Overall the free RAM on the Galaxy S II gives you a smooth and fast experience. Better then on the Sensation/Sense 3.0.
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This has nothing to do with sense vs touchwiz but with the fact the sgs2 has 256MB of extra ram and the sgs2 is a much more powerful device in general

godutch said:
It's just pure nonsense what the OP is saying, when you talk about sense you really just mean rosie sens' launcher it's not heavier or lighter than other launcher...
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You're wrong. Go read the Sensation forum. It's a resource hog, the Sensation's light on memory, and people are saying it doesn't feel like a dual-core phone. Its actually running out of memory causing it to periodically reboot itself (Sense, not the phone). To get better performance people are turning off the animations which was kind of what made 3.0 special.
People who are new to Android or don't want to deal with having to add a bunch of crap from the market to make their phone work love Sense. Everyone else, not as much. I also agree with the OP that the problems it was designed to solve don't exist any longer. To each their own...

godutch said:
Scrolling through homescreens is not dependent on memory but on the CPU(or GPU but android doesnt use the GPU) but I do know it's buttery smooth on my desire and on the sensation I tested in Mediamarket
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Hmmm thats weird. I have seen multiple video reviews showing the Sensation being pretty choppy while scrolling. The reviewers mention that often. Now I dont know who to believe.
Yeah I just wanted to say its probably not the memory but CPU/GPU. Anyway, with the Sensations powerfull chipset I can't believe HTC Sense still hasn't got perfect smooth scrolling. Also when you look at flash performance in the browser its a notable difference.
I guess its just a personal preference. I was curious to see if people enjoy the TouchWiz UI as much as I do.

XDA mark said:
Hmmm thats weird. I have seen multiple video reviews showing the Sensation being pretty choppy while scrolling.
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Here's a comparison review from the U.S. It's not the greatest review but the reviewer glowed over the Sensation when he evaluated by itself. He echos what's being said on the Sensation forum about Sense and performance.
Part One:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mc4_LsNxoZY
Part Two:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLZ7vcNVhFg

XDA mark said:
Hmmm thats weird. I have seen multiple video reviews showing the Sensation being pretty choppy while scrolling. The reviewers mention that often. Now I dont know who to believe.
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Scrolling through the app drawer is could appear choppy but this is by design, it was a feature introduced in sense 2.1, actually what it does it flips though the app drawer by page, accelerates, decelerates and than stops with a slight overshoot effect, this way you can flip through your apps and not have to scroll to much because in other launchers you accelerate to scroll but often overshoot a lot and than go back again etc until you've finally found your app

I honestly don't get this. really, really I don't. We have 2 mediocre launchers with dozen of better ones available on the market, with houndred of widgets available for free and still there are topics like this.
I saw touchwiz, I tried it, I replaced it with Go launcher EX
why ?
-lower mem consumption
-I can arrange the icons how I want
-I can make folders inside the app drawer and organize there
-If I want I can have transition effects
-gestures
-customizable dock
-missed calls/sms/mail Notifications on the dock
-I can rename shortcuts
-Smoother operation
-I can chose how the apps are sorted in the drawer
So please, someone remind me what all this is about ? Why does the touchwiz vs htc sense keep popping up ?

BarryH_GEG said:
You're wrong. Go read the Sensation forum. It's a resource hog, the Sensation's light on memory, and people are saying it doesn't feel like a dual-core phone. Its actually running out of memory causing it to periodically reboot itself (Sense, not the phone). To get better performance people are turning off the animations which was kind of what made 3.0 special.
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So and you are saying touchwiz 4 on the sensation wouldnt run out of memory because the sgs2 still has 25% more memory than the sensation and what else are these people running? And again animations don't cost ram, they cost cpu and battery

aurelm said:
So please, someone remind me what all this is about ? Why does the touchwiz vs htc sense keep popping up ?
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Because not everyone thinks like you. I used ADW on all my previous phones but I happen to like TouchWiz and am using it now. That doesn't make me right or you wrong. Hell, there are people on this forum begging devs to build a Sense 3.0 ROM for the SGS2. Different people want and expect different things. Hence the discussion.

aurelm said:
So please, someone remind me what all this is about ? Why does the touchwiz vs htc sense keep popping up ?
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Sense it really a lot more than a launcher, GO is actually very good though(all their stuff is, except for weather), I would actually run it on an HTC device

BarryH_GEG said:
Because not everyone thinks like you. I used ADW on all my previous phones but I happen to like TouchWiz and am using it now. That doesn't make me right or you wrong. Hell, there are people on this forum begging devs to build a Sense 3.0 ROM for the SGS2. Different people want and expect different things. Hence the discussion.
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I don't think I would have bought the sgs2 if the nexus/galaxy sense ports didnt exist

aurelm said:
I honestly don't get this. really, really I don't. We have 2 mediocre launchers with dozen of better ones available on the market, with houndred of widgets available for free and still there are topics like this.
I saw touchwiz, I tried it, I replaced it with Go launcher EX
why ?
-lower mem consumption
-I can arrange the icons how I want
-I can make folders inside the app drawer and organize there
-If I want I can have transition effects
-gestures
-customizable dock
-missed calls/sms/mail Notifications on the dock
-I can rename shortcuts
-Smoother operation
-I can chose how the apps are sorted in the drawer
So please, someone remind me what all this is about ? Why does the touchwiz vs htc sense keep popping up ?
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Because its fun? Because thats what forums are for?
1. Most people dont download 3rd party launchers
2. These 2 launchers are the pride of HTC and Samsung, its a guaranty people are going to compare them.
3. I dont have my own personal blog and this is a way for me to share my thought and discuss. But I wont do it again if people hate it!
Also I see sooo many comments from people that have never used TouchWiz 4 and instantly say "omg touchwiz, im not buying Galaxy S 2" (on other forums like engadget, not here)
What I really think is TouchWiz 4 is not bad at all. Its even better then stock android and its not so much "in your face" as HTC Sense.

How would you want the Android 4.0 (ICS) update to look like? -Rumor Update-

Since SE has confirmed ICS update for the arc/arc S, I think it is a good idea to discuss about the appearance of the firmware.
Personally, I'd like most things to be left as stock with some touches there and here to distinguish it from other ICS builds.
What do you think?
EDIT: No, this is not "just another ICS thread".
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If it's really true, I'm very excitedly happy. Yay for stock Android

- New timescape version (might include timescape for application)
- Apps & Widget manager
- New music players
- More bloatwares
- Hopefully camera will be fixed
- System running faster

what happen to the camera?

Chances are it will come with the same old tired S.E U.I, which isn't really an issue as that can easily be changed.

XperienceD said:
Chances are it will come with the same old tired S.E U.I, which isn't really an issue as that can easily be changed.
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I hope we do manage to get it rooted with locked bootloaders because after that, making it stock is easy

-Camera compression
-Shortcuts for notification site, to add music player, power control shortcuts
-New home launcher...
-better support for liveview
-wi fi connection
-faster scrolling in menu, switch from first to last app. list faster.like moving finger on dots beyond apps
-"xBass" pls. make this > http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1106197 I'd appreciate it, really. f* xloud, it doesnt change max loudness.

I don't think SE is that dumb to change the whole appearance of ICS lol..
why would they even do that? maybe a little touch to make it more attractive than the others but why would they make it into a TS UI? LOL makes no sense to me as the holographic engine of the ICS FW is so damn awesome & sleek :O

I think it would be great if sony put its touch in the interface while keeping it ICS
look in general.

Camera compression is the only adjustment I care about. Make it better or lose a customer

Full blown SE customization.
Stock android is boring (at least for me)

- Hardware accelerated graphics -> smooth, lag-free scrolling and navigation !

Never in my days will I understand anyone who thinks the left is better UI design than the right >.< But each to their own I guess

I like se one over stock gingerbread .but ice cream?iam not sure
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I hope and think SE will combine their amazing UI design skills
with ICS.
ICS is not so beautiful everywhere however I think - I really do! - that some ICS UI elements are actually inspired by SE.
SE has the best UI on smartphones IMO.

I like ICS home launcher, but I also like SE's home launcher, so I hope to have the functionality of SE Home launcher with the stock launcher + SE theme.
I like some of SE functionality also like Facebook inside Xperia.
but there's things I hate, SE must, and must and MUST do something regarding it...
1- the added pre-installed apps I hope SE make them optional, these are forced to be in the phone even if the user doesn't want them... yeah make them already pre-installed but don't make them system apps so we can remove what ever we want to remove.
2- The Home launcher & browser both should be Hardware accelerated, and Home launcher should be loaded in Memory all the time, and make the browser have this option also.

Xajel said:
1- the added pre-installed apps I hope SE make them optional, these are forced to be in the phone even if the user doesn't want them... yeah make them already pre-installed but don't make them system apps so we can remove what ever we want to remove.
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One of ics new features is disabling any system app so it looks like we won't have an issue
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jtc42 said:
Never in my days will I understand anyone who thinks the left is better UI design than the right >.< But each to their own I guess
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Erm, you've got to be joking?!! The Google ICS image on the right looks like a cluttered, cramped and confusing mess. The SE image on the left is clear and simple. Also look at that pointless big grey bar at the bottom of the screen on ICS - what an absolute waste of screen space.
I also absolutely hate the way ICS on the Galaxy Nexus wastes screen space for those pointless software Android buttons. Slimline tactile buttons as on the Xperias are a superior solution.
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doomed151 said:
Since SE has confirmed ICS update for the arc/arc S, I think it is a good idea to discuss about the appearance of the firmware.
Personally, I'd like most things to be left as stock with some touches there and here to distinguish it from other ICS builds.
What do you think?
EDIT: No, this is not "just another ICS thread".
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I'm not sure whether you can already do this or not in ICS, but I think there should be a way to add labels to pages in your app tray. I see Google has added tabs for "Apps" and "Widgets", but I think this is a pointless change. I don't need a Widget tab, nor do I want an Android Market tab (it's there for no other reason than Goog£€ making sure to promote its ridiculous 30% cut on app sales). What I would like is the ability to create custom tabs to group my apps (or, alternatively, the ability to create folders) in the app tray. Ironically, Google have moved to SE-style side scrolling for apps, but with custom tabs vertical scrolling would actually look better!
I would also like companies like SE to neuter Google's power a bit more. I simply do not trust Google (I think it is becoming too big, powerful and "big brother" like) and would like SE to add features such as the making it more configurable what data Google receive, and reduce the dependency on Google services.
I also wish SE would stop forcing Facebook on users, and allow users to remove the Facebook app and all Facebook features - not only is the Facebook app badly written and a CPU and battery hog (which runs in the background even if you sign out), Facebook is another company that I do not trust at all.

I have to agree with Paul. I'm not a big fan of the ICS UI. I particularly don't care for the soft buttons at the bottom of the screen. I prefer a clean, simple look. Albiet I haven't used a true ICS ROM, but I have flashed ICS themed ROMS and don't like it all. Call me a creature of habit, but I have no plans of installing ICS when it's finally released.
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I forget to say,
1- Add support for USB-OTG Mass Storage, and please for any newer phones, even if you will add large internal memory ( like 16GB ) add also a microSD slot, it's a must, and AFAIK missing the microSD will mean no USB-OTG Mass Storage...
2- Support WiFi Direct

I don't know if you're aware, but when ICS comes to the arc, or any other device with buttons, the soft buttons are disabled and it functions as normal.
Also the ICS themes for 2.3 are not at all a fair indication of the user experience. Most of the joy of ICS is its the first version of android with some degree of descent UI consistency.
I agree, the SE overlay is the best android 2.3 interface around. But android 2.3 UI sucked, it was a mess of aged, inconsistent graphics design. Sony took it and built an aged looking but more consistent UI design. Google have actually gone and made a stock UI in ICS that looks stylish enough to stand out in this world of simple, modern interface design.
But as I said, each to their own I guess I for one will be updating as soon as possible, ICS brings so many great new features to the table, as long as Sony doesn't spoil them, I think it's going to be a great update
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why dont you ppl like touchwiz? touchwiz is amazing

how can so many of you not like touchwiz, lemme correct that *HATE touchwiz... i realize its the hip thing to do, to hate touchwiz, and you somehow think it makes you look pro.. but touchwiz rocks.. most of you havent even seen what the alternative is, you just hate it cause everyone else does.
do you realize losing touchwiz loses:
*built in screen capture by pressing home+lock
*task manager built into long press
*swipe left/right to call/text in contacts/dialer/texts
*toggles in drop down menu
*amazing UI in camera/file manager/ music player
*ability to adjust display options, beyond what stock roms are capable of
*swype
* ability to adjust brightness by moving dropbar back and forth
* the option to use the actual touchwiz launcher
* Divx, Xvid, and .avi support out of the box, as well as other formats supported only by samsung
its not like having a stock rom gives you anything in place of these.. if you dont like the touchwiz launcher, you can install another one, i cant see why ppl are soo determined to get rid of it, and have nothing in its place. would you really rather have no options, in place of where you DID have options?

I personally like touchwiz and that's the reason i'm not switching to
aosp
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You forgot all the built in format support for multimedia files.

On older devices the phone was much slower when using samsung roms (tw) than AOSP. I i think that's the main reason why some people HATE touchwiz.
Right now AOSP roms like cm7 are still faster than Samsung roms, but that doesn't means that Samsung roms are bad!
Touchwiz has some goodies were it still bet AOSP, so at the end is a matter of personal taste.
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I personally like the TouchWiz UI on Gingerbread. It's an update over AOSP/CM7 Roms.
However, seeing that KP4 video, i find that TouchWiz 4 is a downgrade for ICS. Many of the features that TW4 had over Gingerbread were implemented in ICS.
So for me AOSP is the way to go for ICS.

hell yeah .!! i love touch wiz

I have nothing against TW, there are many parts of it that I actually like, but ICS seems to be a big step forward for Android and TW (at least the ALPHA/BETA iteration does not seem that much of a step forward).
Granted, I am actually not really sure what I expected of TW and ICS, but I guess I was expecting to see more of ICS (Roboto, the Blueish Hue for the Signal Meter/etc.) and maybe over time my expectations will rationalize and I will see TW as my mode for interaction with Android and ICS.
Dan

I just find it clunky. I always install LauncherPro immediatly after a reflash. Much easier to fit stuff on my home screen.

Others run better on my phone. That simple. No hate.
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Hell yeah. Now I look 1337/pro/boss status.

Well...in ICS taskmanager will be replaced from standard one.
I like ics but it has some missing feature
1)Sorter icon on app drawer (only using appZorter)
2)Custom icon of status bar (thanks Jkay)
3)HORRIBLE!!!! Green battery. Add a % better battery.

i think tw is good. the features are just amazing. this is my first time to use a samsung android phone (former lg user) and i find tw really functional compared to my past phone's ui. i just don't like the look... there's a lot of launchers out there anyway. and about aosp, i just think it's too plain for casual users, like... me... hehehe!
btw, happy new year, guys!

Because I can't resize all widgets, have 6x6 home and lock screen, customize animations and change themes and icons. I also can't hide the dock or the status bar.
ADW is better IMHO.
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DannyDrama said:
Because I can't resize all widgets, have 6x6 home and lock screen, customize animations and change themes and icons. I also can't hide the dock or the status bar.
ADW is better IMHO.
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TouchWiz is not a launcher!

It's not TW that's bad, it's TWlauncher that sucks ;-)
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soraxd said:
how can so many of you not like touchwiz, lemme correct that *HATE touchwiz... i realize its the hip thing to do, to hate touchwiz, and you somehow think it makes you look pro.. but touchwiz rocks.. most of you havent even seen what the alternative is, you just hate it cause everyone else does.
do you realize losing touchwiz loses:
*built in screen capture by pressing home+lock
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not bad, but it's built into ICS as well
*task manager built into long press
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but number of recent apps down to 6, very annoying; besides, task manager is really not necessary for a powerful phone like S2, I always have around 500mb free ram sitting around. I rarely use task manager to kill background apps.
*swipe left/right to call/text in contacts/dialer/texts
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ya, it may be handy sometimes, but no threaded call logs, and call logs are mixed with sms logs.
*toggles in drop down menu
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CM ROM can do even better, such as 2G/3G/2G&3G modes toggle
*amazing UI in camera/file manager/ music player
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indeed amazing camera UI, but file manger & music player are so so. There are better and free alternatives. The camera app is the only thing I will miss about TW.
*ability to adjust display options, beyond what stock roms are capable of
*swype
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can be installed separately anyway
* ability to adjust brightness by moving dropbar back and forth
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I find brightness level widget easier to use.
* the option to use the actual touchwiz launcher
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What's so good about TW Launcher anyway?
* Divx, Xvid, and .avi support out of the box, as well as other formats supported only by samsung
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Agree. Samsung does have the best codec support of all, but it's not like there is no alternatives available.
its not like having a stock rom gives you anything in place of these.. if you dont like the touchwiz launcher, you can install another one, i cant see why ppl are soo determined to get rid of it, and have nothing in its place. would you really rather have no options, in place of where you DID have options?
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Having a stock rom I can get almost everything that TW provides by installing 3rd party apps; on the other hand, on a stock TW rom, I'm stuck with no video calling in GTalk, no green icon indicating Google service status, only 6 recent apps and a bunch of Samsung bloatwares.

Touchwiz is ugly..
iphoney SMS
launcher icons
Pull down toggle icons
Music player

Touchwiz would be the best launcher if it had the following
1.multi dpi scaling.
2.proper resize support.

I tried out CM9 yesterday and the only thing I miss from tw is the browser.. smoother IMO, even compared to the videos of the galaxy nexus..
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Happy new year!
I don't hate TouchWiz but I just felt it is too 'stock' feeling. Just love to modify so TouchWiz isn't my main choice...
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I like touchwiz. Its the only UI where the launcher runs perfectly smooth even using a heavy live wallpaper. I believe that they use the cartoony colors to show off the Super Amoled screen as well. The only thing that will make me flash a non touchwiz ROM is Stock ICS, cuz im not using the visually unpolished abomination that AOSP Gingerbread is. MIUI is sorta buggy for us so its out imo
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How come Jelly Bean on Nexus 7 is not "Tablet Mode"?

I thought Jelly Bean on the Nexus would be in tablet mode but it looks like a hybrid between mobile and tablet mode?
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See how the clock and nav menu are in the same black bar area? I like how tablet mode lets you adjust brightness easily from the clock. I have the latest version 4.1.1.
Is it possible to enable this mode?

PARANOIDANDROID is a good rom
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Neo3D said:
I thought Jelly Bean on the Nexus would be in tablet mode but it looks like a hybrid between mobile and tablet mode?
See how the clock and nav menu are in the same black bar area? I like how tablet mode lets you adjust brightness easily from the clock. I have the latest version 4.1.1.
Is it possible to enable this mode?
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Yes. The N7 has a blend of phone and tablet mode by default. It's called Phablet mode.
There are several ways to get tablet mode but they all involve rooting. One method is to change your DPI via your build.prop file. I don't recommend this method as it can potentially cause compatibility issues with Play Store and other apps.
Another method to get tablet mode is to flash a ROM that has it enabled, such as Paranoid Android.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1800268
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Do you mean like this???? Root and run a custom ROM such a AOKP.
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Yup, it runs a "phablet" UI, Phone UI with Tablet apps. This is because (probably) Google wanted the people who used Android phones to be familiar with the UI (since barely anyone used Android tablets before the N7, their market share was way too low ) But yeah, root and flash a ROM, I'll probably do the same soon.

If you change the DPI to 160 it runs a perfect tablet UI and no problems on my end with Rasbean Rom running at 160dpi. Not a big fan of the phablet ui and don't like the roms that run tablet mode at the stock dpi. Things are too crowded.

To me i like the notification bar at the the top..It keeps my from hitting it when typing.. VERY ANNOYING .
I dislike that most of the apps run in phone mode when they are compatible with tablet mode / split screen apps.So in my opinion google did not get the phablet mode complete. Its leaning to much toward a phone tablet.. The lock screen and main home screen should not have been locked in portrate mode ... The paranoid rom to me uses quite a bit more battery life . but its been a while since i used it ..Will try some of them again very soon..
Erica

erica_renee said:
To me i like the notification bar at the the top..It keeps my from hitting it when typing.. VERY ANNOYING .
I dislike that most of the apps run in phone mode when they are compatible with tablet mode / split screen apps.So in my opinion google did not get the phablet mode complete. Its leaning to much toward a phone tablet.. The lock screen and main home screen should not have been locked in portrate mode ... The paranoid rom to me uses quite a bit more battery life . but its been a while since i used it ..Will try some of them again very soon..
Erica
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The Paranoid ROM actually doesn't use more battery than any other ROM. It's the kernel that causes the battery to drain faster.
Try switching to Franco or Trinity kernel. I'm on Franco currently and the battery life is insane.
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Grand Prix said:
If you change the DPI to 160 it runs a perfect tablet UI and no problems on my end with Rasbean Rom running at 160dpi. Not a big fan of the phablet ui and don't like the roms that run tablet mode at the stock dpi. Things are too crowded.
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But the dpi just seems... really tiny. I'm probably just not used to it though.

espionage724 said:
But the dpi just seems... really tiny. I'm probably just not used to it though.
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When I switched back to Phablet mode, the icons seemed really large to me since I was originally using 160 dpi. lolz :laugh:

Thanks for all the replies.
I've owned this for about a week and lovin it! I've already got it rooted! What ROM do you guys recommend that is stable? From what I've been reading, these ones seem to be popular:
- Code Name Android
- AOKP
- Paranoid Android
Also, kernel question, which kernels are good for the Nexus 7?
Has anyone noticed that it takes A LOOOONG TIME to charge your tablet?

Without a question AOKP.
http://aokp.co/index.php/news

Neo3D said:
Thanks for all the replies.
I've owned this for about a week and lovin it! I've already got it rooted! What ROM do you guys recommend that is stable? From what I've been reading, these ones seem to be popular:
- Code Name Android
- AOKP
- Paranoid Android
Also, kernel question, which kernels are good for the Nexus 7?
Has anyone noticed that it takes A LOOOONG TIME to charge your tablet?
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paranoid android is fantastic! There's one that is a mix of codename and paranoid android that you should try.
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Paranoid with Franco lol that's what I'm about to try.

Neo3D said:
Thanks for all the replies.
I've owned this for about a week and lovin it! I've already got it rooted! What ROM do you guys recommend that is stable? From what I've been reading, these ones seem to be popular:
- Code Name Android
- AOKP
- Paranoid Android
Also, kernel question, which kernels are good for the Nexus 7?
Has anyone noticed that it takes A LOOOONG TIME to charge your tablet?
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Like revamped said, there is also a really awesome ROM that's a blend of Paranoid and Codename called Cookies and Cream.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1885935
As for kernel suggestions, you can't go wrong with Franco, Trinity, or Faux. I have tried each and they are all excellent. My personal favorite is Franco, though. It offers insane battery life with great performance.
You might like to read this thread which compares the strengths of each of the Nexus 7 kernels.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1889571
Also, the N7 has a large (4326 mAh) battery, it takes a while to charge that big of a battery. How long does your N7 take to charge?
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I'm currently on stock jro03d (rooted/deodexed) and using this patch. Good combo so far if you don't like the heavy mods/bloat in custom Roms.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1780970
[PATCH] True Tablet UI (Apps+GUI) w/o DPI Change for Stock & CM10 - Update Sep6
N7/R13

I used to have a galaxy tab 2 7.0 with ICS. It ran in tablet mode. I 100% agree with Google that the phablet split navbar/notification bar is much better for the 7 inch form factor. In portrait its not cramped anymore, and on landscape the nav buttons are moved out of the way so you don't accidentally press them while typing or gaming.
The problem is that this phablet mode seems unfinished. Too many apps run in single pane phone mode when they should be running in dual pane tablet more. This includes Google's own apps like the Settings panel, Google reader, YouTube, and so on. Also the launcher looks too much like phones. They should have done a bettrr job blending the phone launcher layout and the tablet launcher layout.
That's where Paranoid Android comes in. It let's me keep the (IMO) superior phablet UI and have dual pane settings and customize all the apps into whatever layout or size I want.
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RockNrolling said:
Like revamped said, there is also a really awesome ROM that's a blend of Paranoid and Codename called Cookies and Cream.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1885935
As for kernel suggestions, you can't go wrong with Franco, Trinity, or Faux. I have tried each and they are all excellent. My personal favorite is Franco, though. It offers insane battery life with great performance.
You might like to read this thread which compares the strengths of each of the Nexus 7 kernels.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1889571
Also, the N7 has a large (4326 mAh) battery, it takes a while to charge that big of a battery. How long does your N7 take to charge?
Sent from my Paranoid Nexus 7
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How long does yours take to charge? I haven't had a chance to do a real test, but most recently, it took about 7hrs to charge 75%, that's not normal is it?

Using the charger it takes about 2.5 hours to charge my Nexus from 30% to 100%. Using USB while connected to the computer it takes all night.
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I don't have any issues with charging my n7 (takes about 2 1/2 hours to fully charge it. Just make sure u use the Asus charger.
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Well, now that it's out, what's your pick? LolliSense or GPE

Now that Sense with 5.0.1 is out, I'm curious to hear what people think about both versions.
My thoughts on GPE
- Love the look and animations
- Amazing dialer
- Smaller notification icons and nav bar
- Silent mode not for everyone but I like it.
Sense 6 with 5.0.1
- Lockscreen is great
- Quick settings are decent
- Dialer is still pretty bad
- Lock screen full screen album cover, that was a nice surprise
- Audio and Camera quality much better.
- Feels like the L look still needs to be implemented better (probably saved for Sense 7)
- WiFi still often disconnects for me at home and at the office.
Battery life to me seems a bit better on GPE but

I cant choose between them because im unable to pay for s-off but if i could choose gpe was my choice for sure
Faster updates better dialer better ram managment and apps will open faster also better batterry life and more materialsed ui are the things that made me choose this (i think sense 6 with lolipop is very ugly because its only an attemp to fast update.Sense 6 with kitkat is a way better than that)

pedyvirus said:
I cant choose between them because im unable to pay for s-off but if i could choose gpe was my choice for sure
Faster updates better dialer better ram managment and apps will open faster also better batterry life and more materialsed ui are the things that made me choose this (i think sense 6 with lolipop is very ugly because its only an attemp to fast update.Sense 6 with kitkat is a way better than that)
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Sense 7 with L will be far better I agree. Right now it's OK but you can tell it needs more work. Some parts of the UI are still pure Sense, some are a mix, smart lock is pure GPE. I think it's a good effort from HTC and it's promising but as it is today, I don't know, nice enough for me not to go right back to GPE, but

Nic2112 said:
Sense 7 with L will be far better I agree. Right now it's OK but you can tell it needs more work. Some parts of the UI are still pure Sense, some are a mix, smart lock is pure GPE. I think it's a good effort from HTC and it's promising but as it is today, I don't know, nice enough for me not to go right back to GPE, but
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Lollisense with GPE Dialler

Nic2112 said:
Sense 7 with L will be far better I agree. Right now it's OK but you can tell it needs more work. Some parts of the UI are still pure Sense, some are a mix, smart lock is pure GPE. I think it's a good effort from HTC and it's promising but as it is today, I don't know, nice enough for me not to go right back to GPE, but
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To me the GPe just has too many faults the nav bar icons are horrible the Camera app is bad the Gallery is bad the default music player is bad. the contact list is bad the multi tasking app switcher has no clear all. All the above features in Sense 6 are what make this phone what it is. The GPe should have been left to Samsung / Motorola devices.

clsA said:
To me the GPe just has too many faults the nav bar icons are horrible the Camera app is bad the Gallery is bad the default music player is bad. the contact list is bad the multi tasking app switcher has no clear all. All the above features in Sense 6 are what make this phone what it is. The GPe should have been left to Samsung / Motorola devices.
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Very good points although I don't see the need to clear out the recent list but that's based on my usage of course. The camera app is bad, it was horrible and they improved it to a "bad", still a long ways to go.

clsA said:
To me the GPe just has too many faults the nav bar icons are horrible
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An argument can be made for some of your other points (though things like the "default music player" and "contact list" are debatable and / or complete nonissues since it's silly to use the "default" music player anyway), but the nav bar icons? Sense's nav bar icons drive me BANANAS and could be the single biggest reason that sense bothers me so much. They look completely out of place and ridiculous in every context. It's the smallest thing but even after months of using Sense I found them jarring. It's like they had a nine year old draw them with crayon and then just said "eh, good enough." They're twice as big as they should be but nothing has been adjusted to compensate.
I always make fun of design snobs picking on the tiniest little nitpicky details but here I am doing it

thebobmannh said:
An argument can be made for some of your other points (though things like the "default music player" and "contact list" are debatable and / or complete nonissues since it's silly to use the "default" music player anyway), but the nav bar icons? Sense's nav bar icons drive me BANANAS and could be the single biggest reason that sense bothers me so much. They look completely out of place and ridiculous in every context. It's the smallest thing but even after months of using Sense I found them jarring. It's like they had a nine year old draw them with crayon and then just said "eh, good enough." They're twice as big as they should be but nothing has been adjusted to compensate.
I always make fun of design snobs picking on the tiniest little nitpicky details but here I am doing it
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Aah come on This is 10x better ( I was looking for a pic with the grayscale theme)
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than these GPE

thebobmannh said:
An argument can be made for some of your other points (though things like the "default music player" and "contact list" are debatable and / or complete nonissues since it's silly to use the "default" music player anyway), but the nav bar icons? Sense's nav bar icons drive me BANANAS and could be the single biggest reason that sense bothers me so much. They look completely out of place and ridiculous in every context. It's the smallest thing but even after months of using Sense I found them jarring. It's like they had a nine year old draw them with crayon and then just said "eh, good enough." They're twice as big as they should be but nothing has been adjusted to compensate.
I always make fun of design snobs picking on the tiniest little nitpicky details but here I am doing it
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For me it's the notification bar that bugs me, I do like that they are animated but by the time you have WiFi, Blue tooth and head set connected, that's almost a full row if icons that without Rood and XPosed you can't get rid of. GPE are much smaller and cleaner.

exocetdj said:
Lollisense with GPE Dialler
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How did you manage to do that?

Nic2112 said:
For me it's the notification bar that bugs me, I do like that they are animated but by the time you have WiFi, Blue tooth and head set connected, that's almost a full row if icons that without Rood and XPosed you can't get rid of. GPE are much smaller and cleaner.
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Crap I was TOTALLy talking about the notification bar. THe nav bar is neither here nor there. My bad.

thebobmannh said:
Crap I was TOTALLy talking about the notification bar. THe nav bar is neither here nor there. My bad.
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Okay, cause the icons are different but not that different in size, but the notification bar is busy on Sense.

thebobmannh said:
An argument can be made for some of your other points (though things like the "default music player" and "contact list" are debatable and / or complete nonissues since it's silly to use the "default" music player anyway), but the nav bar icons? Sense's nav bar icons drive me BANANAS and could be the single biggest reason that sense bothers me so much. They look completely out of place and ridiculous in every context. It's the smallest thing but even after months of using Sense I found them jarring. It's like they had a nine year old draw them with crayon and then just said "eh, good enough." They're twice as big as they should be but nothing has been adjusted to compensate.
I always make fun of design snobs picking on the tiniest little nitpicky details but here I am doing it
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How about that GPS icon? Makes me want to punch my phone every time that things flashes.

#Lolisense all the way.
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