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Whether you hate to hear this or not

but, everyone loves Touchwiz.
At the onset of SGS release, a large portion of us, excluding me for sure, has harshly criticized the Samsung's iPhone-wannabe TouchWiz UI.
However, I have seen a trend lately. The TouchWiz UI has gained its popularity from other android device communities. For example, TouchWiz launcher has ported to Nexus One and HTC Desire .
What do you think? Love for SGS is emerging? :]
Remember, this is only for discussion sake, no need to flame. It's just an interesting finding for me.

I love it much much more than HTC's Sense because it is like iPhone. It's far more useable and functional this way. My sons and wife thought that it was a new iPhone. In fact, I think the body of the phone looks more iPhone than iPhone 4.

eaglesteve said:
I love it much much more than HTC's Sense because it is like iPhone. It's far more useable and functional this way. My sons and wife thought that it was a new iPhone. In fact, I think the body of the phone looks more iPhone than iPhone 4.
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Ha Ha, well since the iphone 4 is broken and is about to have either a massive recall or suffer endless ridicule, the SGS might just be the "new" iphone

Personally I thought the widgets were annoying, too much clutter in them, like stocks and things that I didn't want, nor need.
The page-flips in the apps-listing was annoying, took me too long to go through it, and it made sorting a *****.
It's buggersome and slow, at least at the moment.
LauncherPro on the other hand, now there's a gem! Grey and sleek icons, sweet previews, and fast, even on the luggy SGS.

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Personally I thought the widgets were annoying, too much clutter in them, like stocks and things that I didn't want, nor need.
The page-flips in the apps-listing was annoying, took me too long to go through it, and it made sorting a *****.
It's buggersome and slow, at least at the moment.
LauncherPro on the other hand, now there's a gem! Grey and sleek icons, sweet previews, and fast, even on the luggy SGS.
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+1. I feel much the same. Launcher Pro makes a big visual difference.
TouchWiz looks nothing like the iPhone -- it's garish and tacky.

I've seen quite the contrary, in fact the first thing i did to my phone was to install HTC sense UI
accinfo said:
but, everyone loves Touchwiz.
At the onset of SGS release, a large portion of us, excluding me for sure, has harshly criticized the Samsung's iPhone-wannabe TouchWiz UI.
However, I have seen a trend lately. The TouchWiz UI has gained its popularity from other android device communities. For example, TouchWiz launcher has ported to Nexus One and HTC Desire .
What do you think? Love for SGS is emerging? :]
Remember, this is only for discussion sake, no need to flame. It's just an interesting finding for me.
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AllGamer said:
I've seen quite the contrary, in fact the first thing i did to my phone was to install HTC sense UI
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If I wanted an iPhone look and feel I would have bought the iPhone 3gs, but I want something new, interesting, and completely original. Touchwiz is not that and the htc sense is. In addition the stock Android 2.2 is extremely powerful and very user friendly. I really wish the hardware developers started learning that all they need to do to the phone is customize the OS to work the best on the phone. Do not add any UI flavors, because the customer will do that. The android system was designed so that the customer can customize their phone. Yes the touchwiz is pretty cool, but that is not why I would buy the phone.

ritkit said:
If I wanted an iPhone look and feel I would have bought the iPhone 3gs, but I want something new, interesting, and completely original. Touchwiz is not that and the htc sense is. In addition the stock Android 2.2 is extremely powerful and very user friendly. I really wish the hardware developers started learning that all they need to do to the phone is customize the OS to work the best on the phone. Do not add any UI flavors, because the customer will do that. The android system was designed so that the customer can customize their phone. Yes the touchwiz is pretty cool, but that is not why I would buy the phone.
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I agree with you that manufacturers should not be adding any UI "enhancements."
I feel that TouchWiz is really ugly (colors, icons) and Sense is just tacky (the curved "dock" at the bottom). We should be able to go to the Market to get any UI customization we need.
I am hoping Google will just ban integrated "enhancements" on Android 3.0.

I hate Sense, if I could have TouchFlo 3D on Android that would be good.
TouchWiz is shameless iPhone rip-off but I prefer it over stock and Sense.

I really like touchwiz.. It's straightforward, very consequent and the widgets look not grey/boring like sense on my Hero. Only thing what's missing, is exchange widget. Also i like the fact that touchwiz is not drifting too far from stock android.
I must say that i'm not constantly comparing it to the iPhone and have an unbiased view of the shell.. And in that view: I like it!!

us1111 said:
I really like touchwiz.. It's straightforward, very consequent and the widgets look not grey/boring like sense on my Hero. Only thing what's missing, is exchange widget. Also i like the fact that touchwiz is not drifting too far from stock android.
I must say that i'm not constantly comparing it to the iPhone and have an unbiased view of the shell.. And in that view: I like it!!
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It is a nice UI enhancement, but it like trying to put a Ferrari body on a truck frame. Just does not work very well enough.

I have seen the video demo of Wiz3 earlier and I still have to say.. the UI is gay.
because of 2 main reasons:
1. no vertical scrolling of apps
2. no cool gadgets on home screen
if samsung ever fixes this, then the UI would be the best one out there.

emclondon said:
I have seen the video demo of Wiz3 earlier and I still have to say.. the UI is gay.
because of 2 main reasons:
1. no vertical scrolling of apps
2. no cool gadgets on home screen
if samsung ever fixes this, then the UI would be the best one out there.
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Lol, I hate vertical scrolling. Love the way it's done in Samsung.

err.. well, its matter of user preference. I say samsung must include settings for UI where one can change the orientation to cater users with different preferences.
I personally "hate" the list view. been seeing list view ever since i was a kid, why do i need it in a smart phone?

i like some of its features but dont like that if set up a certain way it mimics ios. overall win though, just needs some optimization.

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1. no vertical scrolling of
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Wrong
In the app drawer, press menu and select list view

though I can understand somewhat the similarity between touchwiz UI and IPhone UI, the similarity are so minor and stopped at the side scrolling applications.
If something works then it works, no point in avoiding it for the sake of being original. You could as well call iphone for copying palm device for the shape of their phone and windows mobile for the dail pad.

ViBrant Lag/Slowness

So to make my Question short
id like to know to know how well the phone performs after having used for at least 24 hours. I hear People complain about it lagging and being slow when switching homescreens specially if you add TouchWiz3 Widgets????
Im thinking of ordering one but want to hear from you guys. I Really dont support Samsung too much because well, THEY dont support their customers either. They say one thing with updates and promises but at the end they never fullfill their words. Any ideas???

If theres samsung widgets on TW then yes it lags.. I use tw without samsungs widgets and dont get any slowness going on.
I personaly havent seen any slowness yet. But read others do. Maybe im lucky..

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If theres samsung widgets on TW then yes it lags.. I use tw without samsungs widgets and dont get any slowness going on.
I personaly havent seen any slowness yet. But read others do. Maybe im lucky..
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That Truly Sucks. Is it still possible too use stock 2.1 Launcher and not TW like with most android phone?

Yeah you can use Launcher PRO instead.

minogue said:
That Truly Sucks. Is it still possible too use stock 2.1 Launcher and not TW like with most android phone?
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yea just use adw launcher or launcher pro. Fast as can be with either of those. But im digging the TW for now without the widgets...

Awesome. Thanks for the replies. i guess ill be picking one up later around 6pm at T-Mobile Corp. Store.
Only Thing i hate is after playing with nexus one, mytouch slide, HD2, i will be missing the Led Flash which i still wonder why they would not add such feauture.
Kinda makes me think its because they want to launch a new phone not too far away and add Flash so people want to upgrade their current phones to that:/

I am using Samsung Widgets in 3 of 5 my screens with no Lag; I find it curious anyone is having lag unless you have like 20 homescreens packed with widgets. The hummingbird processor in this beast has currently edged out all of the top of the line android phones for CPU speed and it also has the fastest GPU (PowerVR SGX540) as well, offering performance of almost 2x compared to the Evo and Nexus. Lag should not be a happening thing

I have had mine since Friday, used it with TW and samsung widgets without issue, but I like the customization from adw so I have been using that for the last couple days. So far I have no complaints about speed, just hoping the gps and compass issues get fixed soon.

I have 3 widgets, one of them being Buddies now and get very little lag. Only the pause when coming back to the home screen (not always happening)

New owner I have one widget no lag at all.
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No lag here, I was using touchwiz but I prefer the more stock look of adw launcher...
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I am using Samsung Widgets in 3 of 5 my screens with no Lag; I find it curious anyone is having lag unless you have like 20 homescreens packed with widgets. The hummingbird processor in this beast has currently edged out all of the top of the line android phones for CPU speed and it also has the fastest GPU (PowerVR SGX540) as well, offering performance of almost 2x compared to the Evo and Nexus. Lag should not be a happening thing
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I wish I could say the same. I have one widget, feeds and updates, and when it tries to refresh, it lags like hell. If I add the buddies now widget on another screen, just those 2 tw widgets are enough to make this feel like my original mytouch. Very disappointed in the lag.

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I wish I could say the same. I have one widget, feeds and updates, and when it tries to refresh, it lags like hell. If I add the buddies now widget on another screen, just those 2 tw widgets are enough to make this feel like my original mytouch. Very disappointed in the lag.
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Could you describe the lag in more detail? How many screens do you have? What wallpaper are you using? Are those the only 2 widgets you are using? Is the lag a skipping or is the phone not responsive at all? Is it better after a reboot?

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No lag here, I was using touchwiz but I prefer the more stock look of adw launcher...
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I always love ADW because of the options and ESPECIALLY the "Drop to Uninstall" option.
but ADW would be just another program running, using more RAM. less use the better.

Yeah from what I can tell the TWLauncher is pretty light on the battery.

i just got rid of the 7 screens and am just using 1. i am gonna see if this helps with the overall performance of the phone. (from the homescreen> menu (haptic button)>edit> then delete the homescreens to your heart's content . You can always put them back by using the same method

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Could you describe the lag in more detail? How many screens do you have? What wallpaper are you using? Are those the only 2 widgets you are using? Is the lag a skipping or is the phone not responsive at all? Is it better after a reboot?
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I currently have five screens, one has Weather Widget and battery widget, another has the feeds and updates widget, then 2 widgets for stocks (that only update when i tell them to) and youtube and google search widgets. No live wallpaper either. When adding more TW widgets, swiping screens is slower than my old mytouch.

neema said:
Could you describe the lag in more detail? How many screens do you have? What wallpaper are you using? Are those the only 2 widgets you are using? Is the lag a skipping or is the phone not responsive at all? Is it better after a reboot?
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I was running fine for a couple of days and then I started noticing the lag. Selecting the Settings menu would take a couple of seconds. Camera would take a while. I have also had 3 or 4 freezes and had to reboot my phone. Hardly ever happened on the G1 in two years. Would get a black screen for 3-4 seconds in between operations. No spinner. Initially kept thinking the phone was going to sleep.
I have 5 screens with the buddies widget, 2 picture frames, the double daily time widget and Google Search. Shouldn't be causing this hardware to so much as break sweat. I tried removing all widgets. But it didn't help.
What did help was rooting the phone and running the script to move the apps to NAND. But of course there's a limitation on the number of apps. So far, after doing this, it's much better. I'll see if this holds.
The lags have ruined an otherwise outstanding experience on this phone. I'm very disappointed with this performance on this hardware.
What's interesting here is that it's working well for some of you. Which makes it inexplicable why moving the apps to NAND should make such a difference. If this were a problem with the cache, it should have been a problem on every phone. Don't understand this.
The good news is that almost all of the problems I have with the phone should be software fixable.
When it works well, it truly is an amazing device.

I'm very interested in doing the lag fix but I'm intimidated by the process. Is it worth trying to learn ADB? Or should I wait until September for the 2.2 release?
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I have major lag only when using my corporate email (Exchange active sync). just opening, composing or deleting takes about 5 to 8 sec. Has anyone else experienced this?

9 Reasons Why I Use Sense UI over AOSP

Rewritten to tone down unintended hostility.
I did my best to get used to CM6, and I was sad to find that a lot of people, especially on the IRC channel, were not quite tolerant of my ex-Sense habit, and sadly, I ended up leaving CM6 because of that. It's not just the people on IRC, there are a few reasons why I think Sense is superior, so agree with them or not, here they are
The 9 reasons I use Sense UI; keep in mind this is a comparison between stock AOSP and stock Sense UI. No alterante launchers, mods, widgets, apps, or themes.
1. The Sense clock app just looks far better to me, and is also far more functional. I have not had a good experience with AOSP's clock app at all.
2. I don't like Ubuntu. I never liked the way it looked; it had and always seems to have this "accessibility over design" look to it. When I see AOSP android, that's exactly what I see. Ugly, unrefined Android. Just my opinion, maybe not the best of reasons, but it's just what I've come to find from experimenting with both.
3. The Lockscreen is simply elegant; and I prefer not to have any sort of slider or buttons on my lockscreen. I also do not like the way the font is displayed on the AOSP one. It looks a bit tacky and does not match the rest of Android.
4. The Sense Launcher has something that so far, I can't seem to find from any other launcher; G-Sensor screen switching. No matter what screen I'm on, I just give my phone a quick shake, and I can see them all. AOSP doesn't let you do that, as far as I know. Believe it or not, I prefer this more than hitting the menu button; I do not have to take my thumb off the side of my phone.
5. The AOSP keyboard; in all honesty, it's just too slow and feels very flat. The text prediction gets to be too confusing, and using the space bar only helps until you don't mean to add a period after a word and then typing becomes a chore. I also do not like how I have to hit a seperate key to show all the alternate letters and punctuation. The sense keyboard allows me to simply press and hold to get that lettter.
6. The Sense Widgets: Simply put, I don't WANT to pay 2.99 for BW when I have excellent widgets already available to me. The Clock widget is a must, as is the messaging Widget. Why should I have to pay for Launcher Pro Plus when I already have these (I bought LPP before coming to this realization). Perhaps if TweetDeck ends up introducing a proper widget that can compete with Friendstream, then I can consider switching.
7. The Sense Dialer; When I turn on my phone, and I want to quickly dial a contact, all I have to do is open up the dialer and start spelling the contact's name out through the dialpad keys. Does AOSP's dialer let you do this? Sadly, it does not . Instead, I have to go through the phone app to get to the Contact list, then press search, wait for the search bar to appear, and then start to type out the name on the terrible on screen keyboard, and then click again to get to a contact's page, and then press on the dial button. Again, I know about DIaler One, I have not had good experiences with it, nor am I including it in this comparison.
8. Contact management; One of the things that you can't do with AOSP and have to do in the GMail interface is being able to add contacts into groups other than just Favorites. With Sense, I can have as many groups as I want, which is useful, since I can have widgets of just one group of Contacts. It also helps me discern phone numbers from people who I only temporarily need to have, such as Project A, Camping Group B, etc etc.
9. The Calender app: The Sense Calender sorts my different details about a calender date into little sections, the AOSP one just bunches all the details up together, making it far more annoying to discern different things.
All in all, no my phone performs extremely well and runs quite fast (Zen-Rom Alpha 5) and gets terrific battery life. I can even use JIT on it, whether or not it really is noticeable. It's elegant, it's clean, professional, and just a joy to use. Sense is to Android as Apple is to Software; refinement and polish.
This is by no means a jab at you CM6 themers and skinners, your work is amazing and gives Stock Android what it needs. I'm just here to share my experiences as to why I use and love Sense, and when we manage to get it ported to Froyo, I will be happy to switch up to 2.2

First off I agree that sense is great. I hated giving up all the widgets like you said. But, I,m a practical person and a phone shortcut on the rosie is redundant, im my opinion, when you have a hardware key that works just fine. Don't get wrong, because if i did NOT have the hardware key, the rosie would be the $h!t. I also find it redundant to have two clocks on the screen. That could have come in handy in Iraq when I had a 9 hr time difference, but now, not so much. AOSP, in short, is more practical to me. There are hundreds of sense base clocks and a lot of them are free. And the ones that aren't can be "acquired" anyway. ADW has some kick a$$ sliders and cm6 has a sense theme that looks just like the mother humper. Really don't get what the deal is but to each his own i guess. Then again, your a senior mem so I'm pretty sure you know more than me.

dean.d said:
First off I agree that sense is great. I hated giving up all the widgets like you said. But, I,m a practical person and a phone shortcut on the rosie is redundant, im my opinion, when you have a hardware key that works just fine. Don't get wrong, because if i did NOT have the hardware key, the rosie would be the $h!t. I also find it redundant to have two clocks on the screen. That could have come in handy in Iraq when I had a 9 hr time difference, but now, not so much. AOSP, in short, is more practical to me. There are hundreds of sense base clocks and a lot of them are free. And the ones that aren't can be "acquired" anyway. ADW has some kick a$$ sliders and cm6 has a sense theme that looks just like the mother humper. Really don't get what the deal is but to each his own i guess. Then again, your a senior mem so I'm pretty sure you know more than me.
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I certainly agree about the Phone button being redundant. I have already remapped mine, but I find myself not really ever using the middle button anyway, so it doesn't bother me.
Yes, I know, I did the whole "Fancy Widget" routine and found it to be inaccurate compared to the Weather app itself, and was of lower resolution than the regular one.
The problem isn't just coloring the titlebar black and using Fancy Widget, the problem is the rest of the widgets have no equals, and the rest of the apps excepting the HTC IME mod have no equal either. The dialer on AOSP, I maintain, is still utterly terrible and incredibly inefficient.

The one thing i like is the fact that from the contacts i can add the birthday. It is so nice that i can say " ok spell your name first and last. Now your number, and now your birthday. " it just makes it so much more personal. Especially when you drop them a text on the birthday. Yeah for brownie points. Not to mention the MMS that i the reason i stopped using a AOSD rom. I still mantain all the respect in the world to the rom developers just i ,like you, prefer Sence based rom

I don't know about being a wimp for using a sense rom..I just think it is an individuals preference and opinion to what they have on their phones.
I agree the dialer on my phone isn't the greatest,and would love to have it respond faster to my touch,but that is about all I could ask for when it comes to it. As too the contact list.I want nothing to start making suggestions on who I wish to call for me. I can and much prefer to choose someone directly from it,and it is no different when using any sense rom.
The typewriter is flat..nothing that a sense rom can do to ever change that fact. If you want a true tactical feel then get a physical keyboard.. I do agree with you on this though..it isn't the most responsive keyboard I have ever used,but the stock sense keyboard to me is worse and laid out wrong from the start. I'll be glad when the swype keyboard is more readily available..even if it does wind up costing a few dollars.
Widgets..some cost $2.99 many though are free,and do exactly what they are supposed to do.
Again,it is all a personal choice on what a person has on their phone,and what they consider to be utilitarian or beautiful. As I see it,Ubuntu is refined and certainly is a breath of fresh air for those who enjoy having a nice theme on their phone. What can be added and taken away has a certain appeal for many people. My wife loves this look..
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Her needs wants and desires are far different than many others. She also wants her phone different than anyone else so she wants something that is clean..elegant..and yet sophisticated. She can have this with this home screen,and those icons.It isn't cluttered with anything,and is to her liking. To her and many like myself,having animated weather widgets is not needed or wanted,nor is having a boring ass flip clock wanted either.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder,just as we all set these phones up to our individual needs,wants,and desires. While having a sense rom is fine and works for many with everything it offers,it isn't the end all, for everyone else. It can be utilized for what ever we load on it regardless wither it is a sense based rom or not.Some here seem to forget that others have no need for all of the what a sense rom offers,and they also forget we all have different taste in decoration and different needs. Some have minimal needs but yet still like to customize their phone to their personal taste.Some here never use their phone for work,but others do,so their needs are much different.
In the end it is just a matter of personal taste,wants,and desires. If you feel a sense rom is the best..well..that is your opinion and certainly are entitled to it. I see being able to choose what we want on our phones as a more important topic than which is better..because this we can do,and not have to settle for what our carriers force upon us.
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I used to be a Die-hard sense fan.. but Now I like simple.. which is a few widgets..etc and nothing more.. and everything within reach of my finger.. 3 screens at the most..etc..

I'm a fan of the sense apps, but I prefer clean and simple on my home screen. So, I use launcher for the simple, clean look it provides and then I just go to my app folder and use the sense apps because the ROM I'm using is a sense-based ROM. It's like the best of both worlds. I can totally understand the OP's point of view and I don't like to pay for apps that do the same thing the sense apps do. So, I have just combined my likes from the two worlds and tried to remove the dislikes. All-in-all, I'm very pleased with the personalization the android platform offers, which I would risk saying is why most of us have the Hero in the first place.
Kudos to open forums and everyone getting to express their own personal opinions. And it's good to see no one flaming the OP for his!
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First I want to say that had it not been for CM6 I would still be using sense, but have had far better performance from this AOSP rom than with another Sense ROM. I use to love sense and would never give up its look and feel. Now if they can get a sense froyo rom that runs as smooth as CM6 I might actually use it. Most are looking for performance and speed. CM6 gives that to us.
The clock app beats the pants off of AOSP's pathetic and frankly, ugly one. Why should I have a pathetic looking clock that can't do half of what Sense's can, when I have all of those features tied into one and it looks professional?
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This depends on what you want your clock to do. I agree that the AOSP clock app isn't as visually pleasing, but I don't need a world clock or stopwatch or timer.
I don't like Ubuntu. I never liked the way it looked; it had and always seems to have this "accessibility over design" look to it. When I see AOSP android, that's exactly what I see. Ugly, unrefined Android.
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That is why there are themes and different launchers, just like you can do with ubuntu.
The lockscreen; forgive me if I'm being too literal here, but I was under the impression that a Lockscreen was made so that no phone interaction would happen accidentally. Why would I even want to risk having a slider that can silence my phone on my lockscreen? And again, the ugliness factor is just appalling. Everything is so big and bubbly.
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I have actually had more accidental answered calls with the sense lock screen when I pull my phone out of its holster. The stock htc sense lockscreen is the one that is visually appalling
The Sense Launcher has something that so far, I can't seem to find from any other launcher; G-Sensor screen switching. No matter what screen I'm on, I just give my phone a quick shake, and I can see them all. AOSP doesn't let you do that, as far as I know.
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are you to lazy to just press the home button. I think that shaking it is more of a show-off to other people
The AOSP keyboard; in all honesty, it's just too slow and feels very flat. The text prediction gets to be too confusing, and using the space bar only helps until you don't mean to add a period after a word and then typing becomes a chore.
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No matter what ROM i run i prefer swiftkey over aosp or htc. I do notice that the aosp does not have as much lag as HTC's
The Sense Widgets: Simply put, I don't WANT to pay 2.99 for BW when I have excellent widgets already available to me. The Clock widget is a must, as is the messaging Widget. Why should I have to pay for Launcher Pro Plus when I already have these (I bought LPP before coming to this realization)
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If you have it use it. Others don'w want sense and therefor pay for these apps. How much did that $2.99 hurt you?
The Sense Dialer; When I turn on my phone, and I want to quickly dial a contact, all I have to do is open up the dialer and start spelling the contact's name out through the dialpad keys. Does AOSP's dialer let you do this? Ha, one would wish. Instead, I have to go through the phone app to get to the Contact list, then press search, wait for the search bar to appear, and then start to type out the name on the terrible on screen keyboard, and then click again to get to a contact's page, and then press on the dial button.
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Dialer One does the same thing. I have a themed one since I didn't like the original look
Contact management; One of the things that you can't do with AOSP and have to do in the GMail interface is being able to add contacts into groups other than just Favorites. With Sense, I can have as many groups as I want, which is useful, since I can have widgets of just one group of Contacts.
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There are apps that will let you do thi.
The Calender app: The Sense Calender sorts my different details about a calender date into little sections, the AOSP one just bunches all the details up together, making it far more annoying to discern different things.
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I use calwidget which is free and there are also many more than do it to
Yes you have to download some app to do what sense does, but they still take up less space than all the sense crap. Just look at the size of CM6 + google apps and the size is half of the sense roms.

The wonderful thing about having an Android phone is that we can tailor the device to suit our individual tastes and preferences. It's kind of like being an American!
I love Sense UI and miss much of it now that I don't have it but, for me, the trade-off is worth it. I enjoy my phone now in ways I didn't believe would be possible.
For others who don't view Sense UI as creating problems, that's great!
No one will criticize someone for having their phone perform the way they want it to!

spiritcrusher33 said:
I used to be a Die-hard sense fan.. but Now I like simple.. which is a few widgets..etc and nothing more.. and everything within reach of my finger.. 3 screens at the most..etc..
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This.
Plus, Sense = slower than molasses. CM6 = faster than a monkey on fire.
So, FOR MY NEEDS, CM6 >>>>>>>>>> Sense.

I use a Sense ROM but I really can't stand the slowness of opening and navigating the HTC contacts, messaging, calendar, clock, and music apps. They move at a snail's pace compared to their AOSP counterparts, which frankly navigate through menus almost instantly. So, I replaced all of these with the AOSP 2.1 versions (except for contacts, which is not really replaceable).
However I agree with the HTC dialer app being the best in terms of functionality.

jwhistler said:
The wonderful thing about having an Android phone is that we can tailor the device to suit our individual tastes and preferences. It's kind of like being an American!
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THIS......
At least until the government mandates we all buy regular cell phones under the disguise of "free cell phones for all"

I don't see how the vanilla lockscreen is uglier than the Sense one at all. Never had a problem with unlocking or silencing the phone while in my pocket either, gotta thank the Menu button unlocking the phone being disabled by default for that..

I am a Sense user up until now. There are no disputde that sense + widgets are nice and available readily from HTC (That's what we paid for). Of course AOSP is different. It's an open source development and offer as plain as possible so that users can freely use any widgets and customize the phone the way they wanted. To me Sense is just a layer on top of the AOSP or another term it's just a Launcher that was written and customized by HTC.
Why am I walking away from the current 2.1 sense?
-It's simple CM6 Froyo 2.2 OS is faster than the current 2.1 OS.
-If I compared Sense 2.1 vs AOSP 2.1, I would pick Sense because the performance is the same but on the plus side is Sense package is readily available.
-If I compared Sense 2.1, AOSP 2.1 vs CM6 Froyo. Froyo is faster by a mile ( I am not talking about benchmark, i am talking about real time performance)
I only switched a way from sense 2.1 since CM6 was available as nightly and there are couple of times turned back to the latest Sense ROM but only to find that it was a disappointment in performance. You just need to be patient and find the right sense like widgets for your CM6 or wait until Sprint release Sense 2.2

Sorry to say this, but this is the most useless thread ever. You just stated an opinion... it doesn't help the board at all lol. But I personally use CM6 RC1 with my Sense theme on it. I use Fancy Widget and Calwidget, and it looks exactly like Sense, but has the complete customizablility of CM6.

unCoRrUpTeD said:
First I want to say that had it not been for CM6 I would still be using sense, but have had far better performance from this AOSP rom than with another Sense ROM. I use to love sense and would never give up its look and feel. Now if they can get a sense froyo rom that runs as smooth as CM6 I might actually use it. Most are looking for performance and speed. CM6 gives that to us.
This depends on what you want your clock to do. I agree that the AOSP clock app isn't as visually pleasing, but I don't need a world clock or stopwatch or timer.
That is why there are themes and different launchers, just like you can do with ubuntu.
I have actually had more accidental answered calls with the sense lock screen when I pull my phone out of its holster. The stock htc sense lockscreen is the one that is visually appalling
are you to lazy to just press the home button. I think that shaking it is more of a show-off to other people
No matter what ROM i run i prefer swiftkey over aosp or htc. I do notice that the aosp does not have as much lag as HTC's
If you have it use it. Others don'w want sense and therefor pay for these apps. How much did that $2.99 hurt you?
Dialer One does the same thing. I have a themed one since I didn't like the original look
There are apps that will let you do thi.
I use calwidget which is free and there are also many more than do it to
Yes you have to download some app to do what sense does, but they still take up less space than all the sense crap. Just look at the size of CM6 + google apps and the size is half of the sense roms.
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Thank you for COMPLETELY ignoring the very first part of my post, I appreciate your reading skills.

mrinehart93 said:
Sorry to say this, but this is the most useless thread ever. You just stated an opinion... it doesn't help the board at all lol. But I personally use CM6 RC1 with my Sense theme on it. I use Fancy Widget and Calwidget, and it looks exactly like Sense, but has the complete customizablility of CM6.
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Oh? Is there supposed to be a purpose for each and every thread in the General Section? Fancy Widget is still just a widget, the Clock App and the Weather App from Sense don't come with it. Sense is not just about LOOKING good, it has the apps to back it up

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This.
Plus, Sense = slower than molasses. CM6 = faster than a monkey on fire.
So, FOR MY NEEDS, CM6 >>>>>>>>>> Sense.
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+1 very nicely said

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+1 very nicely said
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On an overclocked/undervolted kernel? Have you ever seen Zen-ROM? My guess is not.

Whats the with hostility in OP's post? lol

What is wrong with HTC Sense?

I would like to get some peoples ideas on what is wrong with HTC sense. I see a lot of people on here don't like it, but what is the reasoning behind it? I'm using a rooted evo with Fresh ROM, and I had a hero before it also running Fresh ROM. I personally love the sense interface, and when I see a plain jane phone like a friends Intercept with just 3 screens, or boring vanilla phones, it's like sense is soo much better. So what are some advantages that you guys don't use sense? Just would like some insight.

I personally love the sense UI. It does have glitches, but so does every other one. I like the seven screens... that is a big reason I love it, not to mention the weather and clock widget. I have tried different phones and don't like them...but that is just my preference!

I use ADW launcher which is more of a stock Android feel. Sense has a lot of great features but its not customizable enough with a launcher like ADW you can change almost any settning. Example my launcher has 5x5 apps and so does all of my screens have 5x5 apps. With Sense you have a wasted "+" key on the bottom right which I dont like who really uses that key.

1. I'm a designer/digital creative in the real world. I like to consider myself as having pretty good design sense and education, most people think so too. That said, HTC was so ugly and badly designed that I wanted to return my EVO until CM was finally released. The graphic design work is amateur at best and is simply a bad random mashup of Android and iOS elements. Although stock Android is simple (which I think is a good thing), the graphics are not badly made. I could go on to specifics but you can search my posting history because I've mentioned it a lot. I even was in the process of making a redesigned theme of HTC Sense and still get PMs to finish even to this day.
2. It's slow. Scrolling through a long contact list is laggy in Sense and isn't in stock Android. I could repeat that line for just about every Sense included app. On top of that there's a lot of Sense processes that eat RAM and processing power.
3. It's probably badly made. It's slow but what else is wrong? Who's idea was it to stick and sync insane amounts of XML into my Gmail contacts to store data? That's freaking stupid and so amateur. Remember how HTC peeps failed to authorize because they used a known depreciating method? Makes me wonder what other dumb decisions they implemented. Of course I didn't stick around to find out.
Bottom line is this: HTC is incapable of making a quality mobile OS on their own. If they could they would. I can pretty much guarantee you that. But they can't because they are not as talented as Google, it's as simple as that. The only reason they love Android so much, and they do, is because it's the next best thing. They can take all their amateur hour coding/design work, stick it into open source Android, and then call it HTC Sense with Google.

You can get the 7 screens with a lot of launchers. I use Launcher Pro plus. It also gives me just about any dock and dock Icon I want... 15 apps on a dock that scrolls + Tons of weather/clock skins from beautiful widgets and sense gets facerolled.
Not only that, AOSP like Cyanogen is just much more smooth, more fast that sense. I never was a fan of vanilla and it took a little bit to get used to Cyanogen.. but after a little bit, I can't go back to sense. I tried and they just aren't near as smooth.
When you first flash CM it is pretty ugly so I throw one of the great themes on top of it and makes things MUCH better.

My biggest complaint about sense is how much ram it eats up.

i don't think there is anything wrong with sense and i have no issues with it. With 2.2/2.3 and 3.0 its need and other custom skins could fade, but make no mistake sense was instrumental in bringing android to the masses. regardless of how you feel about it that was the most important thing. besides, for a hardware company, its not to bad astecically in my opinion either, my two cents. The more important factor is that its android based

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i don't think there is anything wrong with sense and i have no issues with it. With 2.2/2.3 and 3.0 its need and other custom skins could fade, but make no mistake sense was instrumental in bringing android to the masses. regardless of how you feel about it that was the most important thing. besides, for a hardware company, its not to bad astecically in my opinion either, my two cents. The more important factor is that its android based
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Sense was instrumental to bring Android to the masses? Huh? In what way? I'd say that Motorola's Droid campaign was more instrumental (at least in the US), and that was stock initially and near stock even with the blur crap.
HTC Sense is HTC's way of pretending to have invented their own OS. Pretty soon HTC Sense will be so modified that it'll be hard to tell that it's running on top of Android - especially once you realize how much lower the quality is.

Sense is my favorite because of the widgets. I have not found widgets that replace the FriendStream/Calendar widgets... (that look exactly the same or are the same size and show the same information)

The evo was the first phone touted for its interface and software that was on par with the iPhone and in some cases winning side by side comparisons. The droid for sure brought awareness but the evo took it to the next step. There were issues with the initial motoblur that sense didn't have. As the more we get into android the need for sense like overlays I think will subside
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Sense was instrumental to bring Android to the masses? Huh? In what way? I'd say that Motorola's Droid campaign was more instrumental (at least in the US), and that was stock initially and near stock even with the blur crap.
HTC Sense is HTC's way of pretending to have invented their own OS. Pretty soon HTC Sense will be so modified that it'll be hard to tell that it's running on top of Android - especially once you realize how much lower the quality is.
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Top 5 Reasons why people DON'T like Sense:
5: Very "Busy" interface with too much to look at
4: Takes up WAY too much internal memory
3: Way too much bloatware running in the background and too many files associated with Sense
2: No smoothness to it, very jerky, very laggy
1: Very SLOW as far as overall performance, quadrant numbers, and overall feel.
There's just way too much going on with sense. A lot of bloatware and useless crap!
Personally, I enjoy the stripped down look and feel of AOSP, letting Android run the way it's supposed to without any third party interference.

Vipermuscle83 said:
Top 5 Reasons why people DON'T like Sense:
5: Very "Busy" interface with too much to look at
4: Takes up WAY too much internal memory
3: Way too much bloatware running in the background and too many files associated with Sense
2: No smoothness to it, very jerky, very laggy
1: Very SLOW as far as overall performance, quadrant numbers, and overall feel.
There's just way too much going on with sense. A lot of bloatware and useless crap!
Personally, I enjoy the stripped down look and feel of AOSP, letting Android run the way it's supposed to without any third party interference.
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Sense is nice, I love the widgets it offers. I just dont like the dock really, and I agree with all five above and
6. Im just used to the vanilla feel from my g1 days.

Again, people care way too much about the aesthetics when it comes to the positives and negatives about the Sense UI. With as much customization as Android allows us, it's almost silly to say that a particular UI sucks because it doesn't look good; if users don't like the looks, they have every opportunity in the world to change that.
Given that the paint job on top of Sense UI is dynamic, I think most of the gripes are pretty invalid. Instead, let's talk about how seamless FriendStream is... or how Smart Dialer is pretty much the best thing since sliced bread... or how the Facebook integration is the best on any platform this side of the sun? These all count for something, and these all represent the true Sense we should be discussing. If people don't like the mechanics, that's fine. I think you're wrong, and the above mentioned features work great on my phone. But if you don't like how it LOOKS... just change it.

Great point man, especially if you are rooted
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Again, people care way too much about the aesthetics when it comes to the positives and negatives about the Sense UI. With as much customization as Android allows us, it's almost silly to say that a particular UI sucks because it doesn't look good; if users don't like the looks, they have every opportunity in the world to change that.
Given that the paint job on top of Sense UI is dynamic, I think most of the gripes are pretty invalid. Instead, let's talk about how seamless FriendStream is... or how Smart Dialer is pretty much the best thing since sliced bread... or how the Facebook integration is the best on any platform this side of the sun? These all count for something, and these all represent the true Sense we should be discussing. If people don't like the mechanics, that's fine. I think you're wrong, and the above mentioned features work great on my phone. But if you don't like how it LOOKS... just change it.
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I agree too, its just the look of it really I dont like, so I use ADW to get that vanilla look. The Facebook integration is the best feature I like.

Vipermuscle83 said:
Top 5 Reasons why people DON'T like Sense:
5: Very "Busy" interface with too much to look at
4: Takes up WAY too much internal memory
3: Way too much bloatware running in the background and too many files associated with Sense
2: No smoothness to it, very jerky, very laggy
1: Very SLOW as far as overall performance, quadrant numbers, and overall feel.
There's just way too much going on with sense. A lot of bloatware and useless crap!
Personally, I enjoy the stripped down look and feel of AOSP, letting Android run the way it's supposed to without any third party interference.
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Basically he went over the top complaints about Sense... the only thing that Sense has over stock Android is that HTC compiled the 4g code for capable phones and unfortunately it's still not available on vanilla roms. That would be THE ONLY plus to Sense but only for it's connection ability nd not its overall functionality...

Hey,
Believe me I can understand what there IS to like about Sense for those who like using its unique features. I'm simply stating what those who don't like Sense, such as myself, find irritating about the UI. It's really just a personal preference when it comes to Sense. Some people really concentrate on shear performance while others focus on functionality and features. I was coming from a rooted Nexus One with CM5 on it and running OH SO FAST and couldn't stand the difference with Sense UI running over Android. To me, AOSP had everything that was important to me and allowed me to access it and maintain it with a heck of a lot more responsiveness and eye-popping performance so I just wanted to keep that trend going with my EVO.

derekwilkinson said:
Sense is my favorite because of the widgets. I have not found widgets that replace the FriendStream/Calendar widgets... (that look exactly the same or are the same size and show the same information)
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Launcher Pro Plus has the stock Android feel, and if you buy the paid version you get widgets that are very much like the Sense widgets. Best of both worlds.
Personally I don't use it, because I don't have the need for those widgets. If I did, though, I'd buy it in a heartbeat because AOSP outperforms Sense by a wide margin.

I agree... Friendstream means nothing to me except more battery drain. I do LOVE the sense facebook integration and the sense copy-n-paste...and a few sense widgets.
But its not worth the drop in overall performance for me to use it.
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I like sense. I also like AOSP. It depends on my mood I suppose. I like the widgets that sense offers, and I must say, using Myn's RLS 4, I experience nothing but extraordinary performance. Whatever he did in his RoM, it is faar smoother than when I was stock. Smooth, fast, and it looks waaay better than stock. Plus, you can customize the rosie buttons to launch mostly whatever app you want. I honestly don't even remember what an unthemed stock evo looks like. Either way, I think it's a personal preference. Try out all launchers and ROMS, see what tickles your fancy.

HTC Sense

I notice there are a few different ROM's for the DHD, some with Sense some without.
Whats the actual difference, does Sence in some way slow the phone down?
I use the clock, friends feed, messages, mail, agenda and the music widgets.
However the one thing that I really dont like is the slide down thing that sense brings, I much prefer the press/slide left/right that you get with the plain Android builds.
So, are there advantages to running a more vanilla android version with some widgets over the sense style ROMs.
I am on mike1986's Android Revolution.

I myself believe sense itself make things sense. For instance the iPhone-like copy&paste.
But yeah you're right it's huge and clumsy. But that's why desire hd has such big ram. I feel sick for not getting full advantage of my device.
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Trig0r said:
I use the clock, friends feed, messages, mail, agenda and the music widgets.
However the one thing that I really dont like is the slide down thing that sense brings, I much prefer the press/slide left/right that you get with the plain Android builds.
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If you root the phone using VISIONary+ you can delete/rename the Lockscreen.apk I believe and it will return to the vanilla lockscreen. As for jazzy widgets that's a Sense thing, unless you buy and install LauncherPro over ADW.Launcher, LauncherPro has People, Bookmarks, Calaendar, Messaging, Twitter, Facebook & Friends widgets that can be used. There is also music widget control using Cyanogen.
I find sense slow and garish, it slows down the phone for no good reason, ASOP ROMs are much lighter and look, IMO, much prettier and unique.

jokies said:
I myself believe sense itself make things sense. For instance the iPhone-like copy&paste.
But yeah you're right it's huge and clumsy. But that's why desire hd has such big ram. I feel sick for not getting full advantage of my device.
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I got rid of my Sense just recently, I prefer the phone this way, Sense just took too much space, try other Launchers out, if you prefer it, I suggest you try out the Cyanogen ROM, which I have done. A whole lot better.

i dont get it, people who have cyanogen seem to think its LOADS better, but its not though is it, iv used it on the hero and now running it on dhd.
its ok, just more theming options and alot uglier imo, dont like contacts, or phone or music or many of the default apps
thats where sense is LOADS better, its alot easier and nicer to use, has better features
saying this im on cyanogen and really cnt be assed to change back otherwise i would, and i wanna try ginger out when its out
apart from that sense blow cyanogen out the water

rosswaa said:
i dont get it, people who have cyanogen seem to think its LOADS better, but its not though is it, iv used it on the hero and now running it on dhd.
its ok, just more theming options and alot uglier imo, dont like contacts, or phone or music or many of the default apps
thats where sense is LOADS better, its alot easier and nicer to use, has better features
saying this im on cyanogen and really cnt be assed to change back otherwise i would, and i wanna try ginger out when its out
apart from that sense blow cyanogen out the water
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People like the simplicity of Cyanogen. Sense slows even the DHD down, it's aweful. And to boot pretty much everyone with an Android phone has it. It's better to be unique.

you think sense slows dhd down? yeh it makes it sooooo laggy, i get no slow downs using sense and never had not even on hero
people just go with what most say, to make themselves feel "unique", its mainly down to the rom dev if it has lag or not, although it ironic you say your unique for using cyanogen just like allll the others

rosswaa said:
you think sense slows dhd down? yeh it makes it sooooo laggy, i get no slow downs using sense and never had not even on hero
people just go with what most say, to make themselves feel "unique", its mainly down to the rom dev if it has lag or not, although it ironic you say your unique for using cyanogen just like allll the others
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Scroll down to the bottom of your app drawer and look at the lag as it reaches the bottom, and open your SMS's and scroll, notice the lag. Sense isn't well coded. And of all the people on XDA how many do I know personally? None. How many of my collegues and friends have Android phones? Lots, how many have Cyanogen? None. That makes it unique.

rosswaa said:
you think sense slows dhd down? yeh it makes it sooooo laggy, i get no slow downs using sense and never had not even on hero
people just go with what most say, to make themselves feel "unique", its mainly down to the rom dev if it has lag or not, although it ironic you say your unique for using cyanogen just like allll the others
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Point well made.
I really can't notice nay slow down due to Sense whatsoever. I really do think that someone should clearly "sell" the advantages of dumping Sense, other than just plain old enthusiasm for hacking something. I think it is more down to aesthetics than anything else. Try other ROMs and see if you like them, you might. I like the fact that HTC have at least tried to add value to Android.
A further irony is having come from the Magic I can vouch for the fact that much effort was put into porting Sense to that plain Android phone.
Sorry, no lag when I scroll my SMS or App drawer. The DHD can definitely deal with the demands of Sense.

Sense is pretty cool and only lags if you try to make it. I think that if all Android phones came with Cyanogen as the stock ROM then the Sense ROM would be a massive hit. Cyanogen is definitely a good choice because it's clean and fast but until i actually need my Desire HD to run faster and more efficiently i won't use it. That's why i will go sort of halfway and flash a cooked sense based ROM like Leedroid.

Kalavere said:
Scroll down to the bottom of your app drawer and look at the lag as it reaches the bottom, and open your SMS's and scroll, notice the lag. Sense isn't well coded. And of all the people on XDA how many do I know personally? None. How many of my collegues and friends have Android phones? Lots, how many have Cyanogen? None. That makes it unique.
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look at what lag? my app draw runs fine using launcher pro plus, sms's all run with no lag difference than cyan, just cyan is uglier
who says sense isnt well coded? its coded for normal peole who dont want to run and say i hacked my phone now everyone else says its loads faster so it must be
fair enough benchmarks might say it but is it noticeable? no
as i say its all down to the rom dev if its laggy or not

sHaHiN786 said:
I got rid of my Sense just recently, I prefer the phone this way, Sense just took too much space, try other Launchers out, if you prefer it, I suggest you try out the Cyanogen ROM, which I have done. A whole lot better.
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I have to admit I didn't try it out on desire hd but I tried it when I'm with a hero. Say, cyan is for dev and sense is for users. Whatever you get what you want.
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rosswaa said:
look at what lag? my app draw runs fine using launcher pro plus, sms's all run with no lag difference than cyan, just cyan is uglier
who says sense isnt well coded? its coded for normal peole who dont want to run and say i hacked my phone now everyone else says its loads faster so it must be
fair enough benchmarks might say it but is it noticeable? no
as i say its all down to the rom dev if its laggy or not
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Lol, LauncherPro isn't the default launcher, so on a Sense based ROM it will be faster, I am simply pointing out that stock Sense, totally stock launcher and all, lags.
We could argue until the cows come home which is better, but I prefer the alternative that is Cyanogen. At least then I can have a totally black and white theme which is what I like. And it's only recently I have switched to ASOP previously I used a Sense based ROM on my Desire, but craved the ASOP lockscreens and dialer.

If we move to another ROM apart from sense, does this mean that we will be losing some features like "louder ring in the bag, flip over the phone for quite" etc... ?
Does Cyanogen ROM provide these all?

eozen81 said:
If we move to another ROM apart from sense, does this mean that we will be losing some features like "louder ring in the bag, flip over the phone for quite" etc... ?
Does Cyanogen ROM provide these all?
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You loose louder ring but flip to silence still works. You do loose quite a few of the jazzy features of Sense.

Kalavere said:
You loose louder ring but flip to silence still works. You do loose quite a few of the jazzy features of Sense.
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Is there any exact list showing sense features we will be losing? I guess that's important to know before deciding to move a different ROM, right?

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Is there any exact list showing sense features we will be losing? I guess that's important to know before deciding to move a different ROM, right?
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Not that, I know of. Sense Copy & Paste is one of them, there is no magnification window when you copy and paste on the DHD, and the louder ring, that's all I can think of off the top of my head.

Kalavere said:
Lol, LauncherPro isn't the default launcher, so on a Sense based ROM it will be faster, I am simply pointing out that stock Sense, totally stock launcher and all, lags.
We could argue until the cows come home which is better, but I prefer the alternative that is Cyanogen. At least then I can have a totally black and white theme which is what I like. And it's only recently I have switched to ASOP previously I used a Sense based ROM on my Desire, but craved the ASOP lockscreens and dialer.
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lol who said it had to be standard? sense comes with to much bloatware, so i remove most of it
have you tried this theme addon? http://classical-gas.blogspot.com/2010/12/jamt-htc-desire-cyanogenmod-610rc2.html
works real nice i have cyan set up alight atm but hopefuly not long till the ginger comes along

I am back on a sense rom. Rcmixhd since adfree and other components work correctly unlike on the other sense roms I've tried. I used to love Cyanogen on my Nexus One but the new sense is very slick indeed.
It does not lag. It does take a little longer to boot and use more memory but who cares when we have so much ram on the dhd. I don't know how the amount of room it takes can be an issue either considering we have 1.5gb rom. I still have 0.9gb free with 54 apps installed.
tbh I still love cyanogenmod but its htc locations which is keeping me on sense. Its the best android offline navigator I've tried in terms of routing here in New zealand and I love the fact I can just buy a cheap 1 month subscription for navigation in another country when I go overseas. Any other app one is forced to buy a complete package for that country at considerably larger cost.
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I really don't like the Sense launcher, I use adw, but sense has lots of little modifications that are just nice to have. Text selection, quick lookup, freaking awesome dialer, flip to speaker etc
I'm running android revolution hd, no lags, excellent battery (whole day with pretty heavy use. Needs charging every night but I can use all the phones features as much as I like and not give the battery a second thought) also 2400 in quadrant. So all in all i really rate sense.