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IMO major product design flaw

I think Samsung blew it on the design of the galaxy tab 10.1
There is a serious screen and stability problem with the tablet.
Whenever I pull it out of my bag I have the Newton rings.
I know that a lot of people believe it is weather related or humidity related.
My experience is that this is because the glass is too close to the digitizer.
What makes it worse it the fact that the case flexes so much due to the weak plastic on the back. Even the weight of the battery can cause these rings to appear by holding it upside down.
I don't believe that a screen replacement can fix this unless they reinforce or separate the distance between the two surfaces.
Has anyone with a repaired unit tested it by holding it upside down to see if they still get the rings? Mine go away but some don't. It is always reproducible though.

My Tab has none of the issues you're describing. Why not replace it under warranty.

also no newton rings here!
and trust me, i know such discussions (display related flaws) far enough from my SGS2:
there is/was a problem with yellow tinting especially on the left side of the display, most people have it to some extent, some not. the ones with the flaw almost never believed the other guys that their displays were close to perfect...

No replacement under warranty.
You will receive refurb replacement. Cannot request new unit. Mine sent back diagnosed with bad mother board. No motherboard available in US, will not be for awhile. A long while was what i was told by repair facility. I do believe they are cannibalising units to refurbish.

Yet another complaint thread for a well-discussed problem. Mod, please delete.

TML1504 said:
also no newton rings here!
and trust me, i know such discussions (display related flaws) far enough from my SGS2:
there is/was a problem with yellow tinting especially on the left side of the display, most people have it to some extent, some not. the ones with the flaw almost never believed the other guys that their displays were close to perfect...
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Because they look had the flaw haha. No one had a picture of a good display.
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mmoran27 said:
I think Samsung blew it on the design of the galaxy tab 10.1
There is a serious screen and stability problem with the tablet.
Whenever I pull it out of my bag I have the Newton rings.
I know that a lot of people believe it is weather related or humidity related.
My experience is that this is because the glass is too close to the digitizer.
What makes it worse it the fact that the case flexes so much due to the weak plastic on the back. Even the weight of the battery can cause these rings to appear by holding it upside down.
I don't believe that a screen replacement can fix this unless they reinforce or separate the distance between the two surfaces.
Has anyone with a repaired unit tested it by holding it upside down to see if they still get the rings? Mine go away but some don't. It is always reproducible though.
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I don't have this issue. There is a thread where people discuss your problem:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1130230

AnyMal said:
My Tab has none of the issues you're describing. Why not replace it under warranty.
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I was a little nervous about some of the flaws I read before I purchased my tab. I seem to have none of the problems except the laggy text input on the browser. I inspected my tabfirst thing when i opened the box and discovered no visual problems on the screen.

The Newton rings can appear later on... there are people who got them after 5 weeks.
My belief is that they are frequent on the first batch... My screen is extremely rigid and darker than the ones shown in videos. You can hardly see the difference between the bezel area and the screen:
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The picture was taken at an angle against my black monitor screen. In the lower right corner you see the color difference between the bezel and actual screen, taken against a white wall reflection. I press it fairly hard in several areas and did not have any issues.
I guess it was the trade to have an unlocked device.
I'd rather have a locked bootloader and a perfect screen...

apple stores would have swapped it before you can finish your sentence.
they replaced mine for minor lightbleed ...got a perfect one.

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Sorry about your luck.
AnyMal said:
My Tab has none of the issues you're describing. Why not replace it under warranty.
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I've had mine almost 5 and 1/2 weeks and no issues.

dcc22 said:
apple stores would have swapped it before you can finish your sentence.
they replaced mine for minor lightbleed ...got a perfect one.
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Xperia S bottom bezel too wide?

Looking at pictures, I see above the transparent strip there are some dots and then the screen starts. Can someone who's seen this phone outside tell if the bottom bezel feels too wide. This can make it very uncomfortable for the thumb as it has to stretch all the time to even get to most used apps on launcher.
It could get even worse with ICS update as ICS wastes another small strip of the bottom screen for the soft buttons plus getting to the top of the screen will get even harder if bezel is wider at the bottom. Already, ICS stock browser sucks as you have to stretch your fingers couple of time to just hit refresh page.
One thing that p**#@#* me off about most android phones is all manufacturers stopped thinking about the ergonomics of design. One of the main reason I love Arc is how short the bezel is at the bottom making the phone very comfortable on thumb.
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I actually find Arc's bottom bezel too narrow. I keep archiving Gmail messages accidentally!!
That's personal preference of course.
So, my suggestion is, calm down, and wait for the phone to be released, head to a local shop that has it demonstrated and hold it yourself to see if it suits you. Also, SE will probably not use the on-screen buttons since their devices have physical buttons.
Last but not least, there are already a few threads here regarding the 2012 devices, so you should have posted your concern there and not start yet another thread.
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iridaki said:
I actually find Arc's bottom bezel too narrow. I keep archiving Gmail messages accidentally!!
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I have this problem too. So, some width would have been great.
So, my suggestion is, calm down, and wait for the phone to be released, head to a local shop that has it demonstrated and hold it yourself to see if it suits you.
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By the time my local Sony store gets this phone, it will probably lose lot of craze with early adapters like me who are thinking to get it from Europe or Japan.
Also, SE will probably not use the on-screen buttons since their devices have physical buttons.
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I am really hoping for this. I hate seeing a lovely screen wasted when phone already has capacitive buttons.
Last but not least, there are already a few threads here regarding the 2012 devices, so you should have posted your concern there and not start yet another thread.
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Everyone has their opinions but I thought this might need it's own thread to get Sony attention. Who knows they might now seriously think about not having the soft ICS buttons after reading your post.

kitsVA said:
I have this problem too. So, some width would have been great.
By the time my local Sony store gets this phone, it will probably lose lot of craze with early adapters like me who are thinking to get it from Europe or Japan.
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If you are already pissed at its design, buying it before even seeing it, is not a wise move imho.
kitsVA said:
I am really hoping for this. I hate seeing a lovely screen wasted when phone already has capacitive buttons.
Everyone has their opinions but I thought this might need it's own thread to get Sony attention. Who knows they might now seriously think about not having the soft ICS buttons after reading your post.
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The alpha ICS ROM that SE published here doesn't include on-screen buttons. So I am pretty sure that this will be the case for the final version too.
Also events if SE decides to read through xda forums for feedback, it would still be better if it were to be found in one place instead of numerous threads.
And that's more of a practical issue than an opinion.
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Even I felt the bottom bessel looks kinda wide in xperia s ( if the portion above that transparent bar was all screen , it would have been nice ) .
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New S-Pen with Grey Button?!

Noticed that new SGN units come with an S-Pen that contains a Grey Button instead of the respective color of the pen. Anyone else noticed this?

That would let us see the flipping thing instead of hunting for it every time!

I bought a spare stylus and it has a grey button, i confirm

Just got my note yesterday, it had a pen with grey button. I'm having problems with the button though, I find its not very responsive when trying to Swype the menu and back functions, I have to press much harder on the button and screen than I am comfortable with.
Is this same with the other pens?
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I bought my (white) Note weeks ago and the stylus has a grey button.

jeromepearce said:
That would let us see the flipping thing instead of hunting for it every time!
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Drop of Tippex or Nail varnish on the button - done!
Agree though that a different coloured button should have been on all Note stylii!
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The S-Pen button is on the same side as the "clip" though, so I never have problems finding it.
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OK, OK, I concede, it is probably not as hard as I have been finding it. I'll try a bit more.
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foxmeister said:
Drop of Tippex or Nail varnish on the button - done!
Agree though that a different coloured button should have been on all Note stylii!
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Dave
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Does anyone know if you get some type of paint / nail polish / sticker that glows in the dark. i use my phone a lot when the lights are off when my child is sleeping and would prefer something that is easy to find in the dark.

bubblesmoney said:
Does anyone know if you get some type of paint / nail polish / sticker that glows in the dark. i use my phone a lot when the lights are off when my child is sleeping and would prefer something that is easy to find in the dark.
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How about this. It is designed for gun sights, but should do a good job.

original_ganjaman said:
How about this. It is designed for gun sights, but should do a good job.
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Interesting. Won't it eventually come off though? If you keep pressing the same button that is. =)

PoisonWolf said:
Interesting. Won't it eventually come off though? If you keep pressing the same button that is. =)
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If you added coat of nail polish, it should be fine.

Well your all talking about stuff you can see. Seems kinda pointless if you still gotta look to find it
What it needs is texture so you can find it without looking. I'm thinking their might be just enough tolerance in the pen slot to accommodate 2-3 little bumps.
To make a rivet effect before (on a steam punk esque phone I made) I've sliced the round ends off of hairbrush bristles and superglued them on. Think I'm gonna try that
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jusutus said:
I bought my (white) Note weeks ago and the stylus has a grey button.
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Same here, the pen is much easier to use with a clearly visible button
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Good to hear Samsung are listening to our rants. The pen was quite awkward to use. Slight sideline, but just out of interest, has anyone noticed any other micro changes with the new production notes apart from the pen change? Any screen improvement in particular banding, black clipping etc.?
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Yeah I wanna know that as well
Has anyone noticed improvements? and if you have, can you post some pictures for backing up your claims. thank you!

I used a grey colored sharpee pen to mark up my button.

Quite right!
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Well your all talking about stuff you can see. Seems kinda pointless if you still gotta look to find it
What it needs is texture so you can find it without looking. I'm thinking their might be just enough tolerance in the pen slot to accommodate 2-3 little bumps.
To make a rivet effect before (on a steam punk esque phone I made) I've sliced the round ends off of hairbrush bristles and superglued them on. Think I'm gonna try that
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Quite right! That would be much better.
Do let us know!

I can confirm that the "new" S-Pen has a grey button. I actually got the new one with the S-Pen holder accessory (I thought it only came with the outside holder... turns out it also comes with an S-Pen so... free S-Pen?)

btyeh said:
I can confirm that the "new" S-Pen has a grey button. I actually got the new one with the S-Pen holder accessory (I thought it only came with the outside holder... turns out it also comes with an S-Pen so... free S-Pen?)
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free ? the lot costs $35 for just a plastic holder that would be
quite expensive. So for the holder+extra pen the price is right.

Weird scratches beneath the screen

DAMN IT!
Got some weird scratches/marks beneath the screen.
It's only visible in low light surroundings, and on a black background, but it's very very ugly.
When I made this thread a few similar posts came up.
Apparently it's a known problem on the S2 and note too http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1335423
I can't make a picture of it right now. Will try tomorrow.
Somebody made this to explain what it looks like.
Mine is like this, but much worse
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Please check for yourself in a dark room and a fully black background on the phone. Do you have the same?
I'm going return it tomorrow, and hope they give me a refund, so I can buy another one straight away (and check it off course). And hope I don't have to wait for 3 weeks for the repair/replacement

Is it there when the screen is off?
If not then it's not scratches. I think its an AMOLED thing. I notice it when my SGS2 freezes on a black screen. But not there when powered down or back up again.
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Yup, does not bother me too much though.
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Elisha said:
Is it there when the screen is off?
If not then it's not scratches. I think its an AMOLED thing. I notice it when my SGS2 freezes on a black screen. But not there when powered down or back up again.
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Exactly. When i first saw my sgs1 under direct sunlight i thught that was broken. Later i discovered that the lines ias seeing was the circuitry under the screen. You can see iy under direct sunlight when the screen is off.

Elisha said:
Is it there when the screen is off?
If not then it's not scratches. I think its an AMOLED thing. I notice it when my SGS2 freezes on a black screen. But not there when powered down or back up again.
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I don't see any spots or ink marks on my GS2 at all. But seems like a lot of the GS3's are having these spots.
Some have exchanged their phones for those with a lot less of of those markings.

Elisha said:
Is it there when the screen is off?
If not then it's not scratches. I think its an AMOLED thing. I notice it when my SGS2 freezes on a black screen. But not there when powered down or back up again.
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It's only there when the screen is on, but it's actually visible in daylight now I know it's there.
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I read somewhere that this is a residual issue caused by the bonding glue they use t to attach the glass, they should fade as the glue dries, but keep any eye on it and nuke 'em if it doesn't!

Yeh galaxy nexus has a similar thing its the amoled display some of the pixals are not turning fully of, I think that was the conclusion .
But only noticeable in very dark room with the screen black and when your eyes adjust. Could be wrong without a pic I can't say.
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I think its an inherent flaw with AMOLED panels. It looks like patches of the screen do not go as dark as the rest of the screen.
Some screens are brighter than others in general though, among the same phone. This Nexus was brighter than another one I had at the same time, at both lowest and highest settings, and had less black dots on black screen, presumably because the screen was brighter overall.
Doesn't mean to say I won't check for the problem before I purchase though
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Well I exchanged it for a new one.
This one is flawless
I'm glad I bought it in a physical store now vs online!

lostsoul said:
DAMN IT!
Got some weird scratches/marks beneath the screen.
It's only visible in low light surroundings, and on a black background, but it's very very ugly.
When I made this thread a few similar posts came up.
Apparently it's a known problem on the S2 and note too http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1335423
I can't make a picture of it right now. Will try tomorrow.
Somebody made this to explain what it looks like.
Mine is like this, but much worse
Please check for yourself in a dark room and a fully black background on the phone. Do you have the same?
I'm going return it tomorrow, and hope they give me a refund, so I can buy another one straight away (and check it off course). And hope I don't have to wait for 3 weeks for the repair/replacement
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Yep I have the exact same thing with my SIII but not as bad as yours. What did you do about your SIII? Did you return it? I notice it mostly on a black background whilst watching films/videos mine isn't really that noticeable on my SIII but still pretty annoying.

[Q] Dropped Nexus 4 - What's wrong with my screen?

So I was unlucky enough to drop my N4 before I was able to get a case for it. I dropped it from my lap while getting out of a taxi so it wasn't a full on drop. At first I thought the only damage was cosmetic - a nick on the chrome trim on the top right corner of the phone.
However afterwards I noticed a small white/bright spot on the screen near that corner where it looks like the backlight is bleeding through. It's most notice-able when the screen is showing something white, less notice-able with colors (red, green, blue etc), and completely fine when showing black.
I've checked some info and it doesn't seem like it's a dead pixel, and just seems overall larger than a dead pixel. At the same time it doesn't seem like a lit pixel either since it's not visible on black. At the moment I'm very thankful that the phone is still very much use-able, but would like to find out what the problem is, and perhaps how intensive a repair this would involve since it is a bit annoying sometimes.
Anyone have had a similar problem or have any ideas?

Is normal. Stop obsessing about it. No phone is perfect. Even my wife's iPhone 4s has defects. If you are looking for flaws, you will find them, guaranteed. Just use your phone like you used to.
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jamesc760 said:
Is normal. Stop obsessing about it. No phone is perfect. Even my wife's iPhone 4s has defects. If you are looking for flaws, you will find them, guaranteed. Just use your phone like you used to.
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Yeah I'm definitely learning to live with it. It may also not look so bad in a photo but it's still pretty noticeable when you're holding the phone in your hand - especially when I'm scrolling around and you can see this static white spot that doesn't move.
Just overall interested in what the problem is as well. I've seen dead pixels and also phones that were dropped where the screen looks completely fubar'd... but haven't been able to find any examples where the screen is like this.

RMA if it's that annoying. Assuming ur phone doesn't look too damaged that they'll say it was your fault.

I do see a few scratches on the screen. Google may not RMA for that reason. If there is another reason like a defect, use that to RMA. IML no Nexus 4 is perfect. I have RMA'd about 4 times till now with a new reason every time. Now after completely blocking my credit card, I have learned to live with an imperfect Nexus 4
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I do see a few scratches on the screen. Google may not RMA for that reason. If there is another reason like a defect, use that to RMA. IML no Nexus 4 is perfect. I have RMA'd about 4 times till now with a new reason every time. Now after completely blocking my credit card, I have learned to live with an imperfect Nexus 4
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Where do you see the scratches? I haven't even noticed them!
I guess from the replies I should learn to live with it then. Thing is I really thought this was due to the drop, but it's also possible it was a defect that I didn't notice... I saw some N4s with the light bleed problem, but were from the edges of the screen, that's why I really thought this was due to damage.

Send it back in, duh. It's still under warranty. :crying:

Robogar said:
Where do you see the scratches? I haven't even noticed them!
I guess from the replies I should learn to live with it then. Thing is I really thought this was due to the drop, but it's also possible it was a defect that I didn't notice... I saw some N4s with the light bleed problem, but were from the edges of the screen, that's why I really thought this was due to damage.
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I don't know whether these are scratches or camera problems.