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Hey XDA,
I currently have a MyTouch 3g 32B. Yeah I know, ancient, right? I'm currently looking to upgrade to either a T-mobile MyTouch 4g or a T-mobile G2 (aka Desire Z).
I'm into custom ROMs, radios, hboots, SPLs, kernels, you guys know the drill. I'm pretty dedicated to Cyanogenmod, and I've noticed that they only support the G2 right now, I haven't really heard anything about the MyTouch and CM. So this gives the G2 a big advantage over the MyTouch.
Keyboard doesn't matter. The front facing camera gives the MyTouch a little bit of an edge. I'm leaning towards G2 because of modding.
This isn't really a versus thread, as I have almost all the info I want from gsmarena.com. But I'm having a hard time comparing the CPU and GPU in the two phones. Not much turns up on Google. Obviously the speeds are different, but that doesn't matter much as I'll be overclocking it.
So which phone has a better CPU/GPU? I've heard the G2's GPU is currently the best, not sure how true that is. I will be using the phone for emulators.
The question: what does XDA think of the CPUs/GPUs? Can anyone give me the model of GPU the phones use?
Thanks!
Nick
P.S. Cross-posted to MyTouch 4g.
The CPU in the G2 is the MSM7x30, not sure of the exact model; the MT4G has the MSM8255. The GPU is the Adreno 205, I believe both have it.
EDIT: I'm rarely 100% positive, but almost so in this case
Yeah, the G2 and MyTouch 4G both share the same cpu and gpu. The only difference is the default clock speed of the cpu, 800mhz for the G2 and 1ghz for the MyTouch.
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acousticsea said:
Yeah, the G2 and MyTouch 4G both share the same cpu and gpu.
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GPU, yes, but CPU, no.
The G2/DZ has the MSM7230.
The MT4G has the MSM8255, same as the Desire HD.
But bear in mind the G2's CPU has huge overclocking potential.
steviewevie said:
GPU, yes, but CPU, no.
The G2/DZ has the MSM7230.
The MT4G has the MSM8255, same as the Desire HD.
But bear in mind the G2's CPU has huge overclocking potential.
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indeed very true
I have heard of cyanogen being on the mt4g by some guys on youtube. Haven't seen a vid with it on it. Only mention of it in video commentary.
If you can get cyanogen on mytouch I would say go with it. It has 768mb ram instead of 512mb with the g2. If you want to run any Sense roms then go with the mt4g. Sense is a memory HOG.
For now the G2 is the overclocking champ at 2.0 ghz. 1.5ghz and higher is commonly 100% stable for most of us. The mt4g has been seen at 1.7ghz stable. Not sure how common that is though.
Keep in mind that devs are still discovering both phones and there is still a lot more to be accomplished between both phones. If you can wait a bit to see what they come up with I would.
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FrenicX said:
If you can get cyanogen on mytouch I would say go with it. It has 768mb ram instead of 512mb with the g2. If you want to run any Sense roms then go with the mt4g. Sense is a memory HOG.
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I'm running the stock Sense ROM on my DZ. No memory issues whatsoever, plenty of free memory. Sure, it uses up slightly more, but there's still plenty of free memory. I won't run any faster just because you have an extra 256 MB RAM free.
I was running villain and virt. There was just too many slow points even while overclocked. Once while navigating with music it left me with only 12 mb. Not that Sense isn't a fun rom to have, it is. But there's a reason why, from the factory, they put it on a phone with 768mb.
I'm sure they weren't aiming at making the mt4g a better performing phone. Just a similarly performing phone with a slightly more demanding stock OS.
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FrenicX said:
I was running villain and virt. There was just too many slow points even while overclocked. Once while navigating with music it left me with only 12 mb. Not that Sense isn't a fun rom to have, it is. But there's a reason why, from the factory, they put it on a phone with 768mb.
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I suggest that was a problem with those custom ROMs then. The stock Sense ROM has no problem with RAM.
Very possible. I forgot the DZ was stock sense. How much ram do you have free after a fresh boot? Most I had with villain was 120 and 160 with virt. Both sat at 80ish under normal use though.
Perhaps MySense is the reason they put 768.
At any rate, if I could get Cyanogen on the MT4G.. and I hadn't already bought the G2, I would. Similar prices and more ram plus higher stock clock speed. Even if I never used that extra ram, just having it there would be nice.
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I have not long ago booted my phone, and I have 113+128 MB free according to the Running Services page.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1040121
This one looks nice and since i read the hardware is similar it shouldnt be a problem for an advanced developer to port that over. Im sure im not the only one who wants the REAL SENSE 3.0!
Thanks in advance!
This one too: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=984822
its from Desire hd forums - and it seems more complete!
Z Rom :http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1067371
Beautiful peace of art!
Isnt it now our turn?
that's not desire hd rom from htc....
it's sensation rom ported to desire hd and as you can see the dev said it's full of bugs right now.
it's alpha rom.
I'm working on a port for myself, there's a lot of development going on in those forums , but I'm sure this thread should NOT be here.
I think it realy shoud be porterd since i cant or shoud i say dont know how and htc dezire z is inferiror compared to our hd2
I agree
yeah same here guys whoever will be able to port this rom to the hd2 will be godly.. i put my money on imilka and mdj to be the first ones. Its not fair since the Desire HD's hardware is the same as the HD 2 BUT DIFFERENT OS and the deire hd gets it instead of us. Honestly i would trade CM7 and MIUI for that
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yeah same here guys whoever will be able to port this rom to the hd2 will be godly.. i put my money on imilka and mdj to be the first ones. Its not fair since the Desire HD's hardware is the same as the HD 2 BUT DIFFERENT OS and the deire hd gets it instead of us. Honestly i would trade CM7 and MIUI for that
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Desire HD has a better CPU as far as im aware. Im sure the developers will get on to this once the graphic issues are sorted out
DramatikBeats said:
Desire HD has a better CPU as far as im aware. Im sure the developers will get on to this once the graphic issues are sorted out
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Desire HD is indeed a lilte more powerfull but not worth to get one if you have a hd2 the cpu is the same just a litle faster since its new gen snapdragon and ha 256mb more ram but dezire z is inferior but still got a sense 3 port like desire HD
metko said:
Desire HD is indeed a lilte more powerfull but not worth to get one if you have a hd2 the cpu is the same just a litle faster since its new gen snapdragon and ha 256mb more ram but dezire z is inferior but still got a sense 3 port like desire HD
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Desire Z and Desire HD both beat the floor with our HD2, in terms of processor. It doesn't matter the clock speed, Desire Z at 800Mhz beats our HD2 at 998MHz. So, no it's not inferior
Derek0228 said:
Desire Z and Desire HD both beat the floor with our HD2, in terms of processor. It doesn't matter the clock speed, Desire Z at 800Mhz beats our HD2 at 998MHz. So, no it's not inferior
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Yes it is cause its not even a snapdragon its a MS7230 with 800mhz clock so our htc hd2 is supperior and can get clocked at 1,5ghz with rafpigna's 1.9o.c kernel
metko said:
Yes it is cause its not even a snapdragon its a MS7230 with 800mhz clock so our htc hd2 is supperior and can get clocked at 1,5ghz with rafpigna's 1.9o.c kernel
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Hehe, Desire Z's can be OC'd to 1.9GHz
metko said:
Yes it is cause its not even a snapdragon its a MS7230 with 800mhz clock so our htc hd2 is supperior and can get clocked at 1,5ghz with rafpigna's 1.9o.c kernel
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metko, please do some research before posting BS like this - DZ is using scorpion core (second gen. snapdragon) running at 800MHz that IS way faster than first gen. snapdragon, even at 1GHz. Furthermore, both DHD and DZ have ardeno 205 gpu that is way faster than ardeno 200 present in first gen. snapdragons (like in HD2), so both devices have hardware that is superior to HD2.
...but we have the best devs here =P
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Hehe, Desire Z's can be OC'd to 1.9GHz
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Maybe but i read that it has a MS7230 i realy dont know now....
edit screw that i realy hope that i can sell the hd2 and get a evo 3d or galaxy s2
metko said:
Desire HD is indeed a lilte more powerfull but not worth to get one if you have a hd2 the cpu is the same just a litle faster since its new gen snapdragon and ha 256mb more ram but dezire z is inferior but still got a sense 3 port like desire HD
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Its NOT that easy to port Android to the HD2s hardware...-.- the DHD and Desire Z were made for Android so its MUCH easier to use all the libs, etc...
This thread should really be deleted!
q9650 said:
Its NOT that easy to port Android to the HD2s hardware...-.- the DHD and Desire Z were made for Android so its MUCH easier to use all the libs, etc...
This thread should really be deleted!
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Actually, porting is not that hard, but resolving the problems that appear after you port the ROM is another thing... I was gonna work on a personal port, but they seem to be making a lot of development over at the desire forums, so it's not worth porting until they're finished with it. Plus, tomorrow's Mother's Day, i need to do some shopping x)
Btw, you're right, this thread should be deleted ASAP
come on guys, please grow up! dont get into this bs fighting match about which hardware is better. take that to the general forum. all the first poster was requesting was that he'd like to see something like the new desire hd RCMix HD KINGDOM v0.1 Evolutionary Sense! REAL SENSE 3.0 to be brought over to the HD2. i'm sure devs are already working on it & i just can't wait till it arrives!!!
Anyways, I'm porting it and it's running through logcat right now. Looks promising, but no guarantees.
OC or not it is our kernel !
Here to test: http://hotfile.com/dl/117064672/b9c6c2c/Kingdom_Sprint_WWE_0.81.651.0.zip.html
(from Z)
dude r u dead ass thks so much i fukin luv u .. lags alot but still i fukin love you (no homo)
Before I state my point, I just need to clarify that I have been on various Froyo/Gingerbread ROMs.
Anyway, I have reviewed many Androids before, including the SE Xperia X10 mini, X8, Samsung Galaxy 5, Samsung Galaxy Mini.
What I have come to realize is that my Wildfire is incomparable to ANY of these old models. No matter what I do, install OpenFire fresh/CM7 fresh, overclock, uninstall & wipe stock apps... the phone is NEVER as fast as ANY of the phones mentioned above.
Is there any way to alleviate this, or is it that the 528MHz processor is the weak link in this phone?
Would really love input from fellow forumers. Thanks.
Wildfire has an older CPU architecture and an older non-gpu chipset, both of which are important factors for the performance.
And we cannot do anything other than overclocking to max (which also don't make it fast enough). Wildfire is already outdated.
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bharatgaddameedi said:
Wildfire has an older CPU architecture and an older non-gpu chipset, both of which are important factors for the performance.
And we cannot do anything other than overclocking to max (which also don't make it fast enough). Wildfire is already outdated.
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I do know that. Thanks for the input btw. IMHO when overclocked, all it does is boost performance unnecessarily. I see little to no change in speed, sometimes even smoother when I reduce the clock speed.
I guess this just calls for a new phone soon.
What did i do to make it faster..
Back to android 2.1 stock rom (extracted rom.zip from 2.1 wwe ruu, installed with pc49img.zip)
Root the rom with superoneclick
Fastboot flashed cwm 2.5.0.7 recovery
Flashed nfinity mc4 kernel
Overclocked 480 - 710 mhz @ smartass governor
Its very fast and snappy, try it, i wont be changing roms for a long time, if we dont get ice cream sandwich when its out, ill never change it.
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Hello everyone!
I've been looking on the web for some time now about the new HTC Titans CPU,
clocked at 1.5GHz, named as Scorpion MSM8255 (same as ours (DHDs CPU)).
What do you guys think about it? Since our MSM8255 can "officialy" only hit 1GHz,
but now HTCs new MSM8255 can get it to 1.5GHz?!
I've searched the wiki also and i cannot find any differences.
Oh wait, is it that T at the end maybe? Just found it now.
HTC Titan: MSM8255T
Okay, so anyone know more about this? Feel free to comment
It's the same chipset. HTC did the same on the Flyer. They just OCed the cpu to 1.5 GHz since the cpu can handle it without problems.
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How easy is it to actually oc the dhd cpu and is it really wise?
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A fellow Bristolian! Hi!
How easy? Very. 1.3GHz is achievable on the DHD with stock volts (1.1V). Wise? Yeah, anything up to around 1.2V is sensible, and safe is far beyond that.
To be honest, nobody will need to go past 1.3GHz, virtually all ROMs run smoothly at that clock.
Haha hey nice surprise lol
Oh sounds good. Pretty new to this only just rooted and flashed custom ROM the other day. Wasn't sure if I should OC or not tho. Guessing it's going to reduce an already poor battery life haha
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affinity121 said:
How easy is it to actually oc the dhd cpu and is it really wise?
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I've had mine at 2GHz. I clocked it down to 1,3GHz after 10 minutes since it got REALLY hot. But it managed to run just fine at that speed.
affinity121 said:
Haha hey nice surprise lol
Oh sounds good. Pretty new to this only just rooted and flashed custom ROM the other day. Wasn't sure if I should OC or not tho. Guessing it's going to reduce an already poor battery life haha
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Well, all of the kernels undervolt as well. Almost all of them run the processor at 1.2GHz at stock voltage. So overclocking shouldn't shorten battery life. Also, remember that many of the ROMs have andrev or virtuous OC daemons installed, so they will be underclocked to minimum speed most of the time. So either way, battery life and performance will be improved.
As for overclocking to 2GHz, while it is possible, I'd very strongly suggest you don't do so.
But it does prove that firstly, the MSM8255 is very overclockable, unlike the larger processed chip in the Desire (which I think will really go as far as 1.2GHz only, correct me if I'm wrong...). The Flyer's processor is exactly the same, just selected (a process called binning) because it is "capable" of running at that speed at the required, and desired voltages with the required stability that the manufacturer (Qualcomm) wants.
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Well, all of the kernels undervolt as well. Almost all of them run the processor at 1.2GHz at stock voltage. So overclocking shouldn't shorten battery life. Also, remember that many of the ROMs have andrev or virtuous OC daemons installed, so they will be underclocked to minimum speed most of the time. So either way, battery life and performance will be improved.
As for overclocking to 2GHz, while it is possible, I'd very strongly suggest you don't do so.
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Thanks for the reply. I'm currently using rcmix runnymede ROM and its not oc'd. Would a OC of 1.3 be wise on stock voltages?
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1.3 might be pushing it. Mine needs 1.125V to be stable. I'd suggest that you probably do the same just in case, or even better 1.150.
The safest thing to do is take a look at the NCTeam kernel voltages, and use those (use IncrediControl from the Market to change voltages). They should work for virtually everybody. 1.3GHz is the speed I needed on Sense ROMs to be very smooth, you might find it is less though.
The desire hd doesnt actually overheat much @ 1.3ghz (I use that + Performance governor when playing some games), so the CPU can probably be overclocked quite alot without any problems
Other phones overheat quite a bit @ stock speeds...
Mine is set to 1,6GHz and it can handle 3d gaming for hours with the case only getting a bit warm. I wrote in a different thread that WP7 is getting an update and it will be able to run on DHD hardware. Maybe some devs will be interested in porting it to DHD then. It would be nice to dual boot Android and WP7. I can almost see all iPhone users faces.
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314 said:
The desire hd doesnt actually overheat much @ 1.3ghz (I use that + Performance governor when playing some games), so the CPU can probably be overclocked quite alot without any problems
Other phones overheat quite a bit @ stock speeds...
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Just to make sure I was clear, I meant that 1.3GHz could be pushing it on stock voltage, not that it could be pushing the limits of the chipset for speed. I think everyone got that, and knows that, but was just making sure.
As for heat, my phone didn't even heat up at 1.3GHz. You can push very far with no problems.
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Mine is set to 1,6GHz and it can handle 3d gaming for hours with the case only getting a bit warm. I wrote in a different thread that WP7 is getting an update and it will be able to run on DHD hardware. Maybe some devs will be interested in porting it to DHD then. It would be nice to dual boot Android and WP7. I can almost see all iPhone users faces.
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Don't forget that we need a wp7 bootloader. The android one can't handle wp7. Furthermore we probably have to repartition our internal memory (or sdcard if you want to run it from there) since wp7 uses other partitions than android (not sure about that, but i guess we have to.)
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Hi,
I´ve read that ICS has GPU acceleration for the UI implemented as a standard. Is there really a difference in smoothness compared to custom gb roms? I´m talking about the i9001. But it should be the same as with the i9000
Regards
Lekor
Can't tell the difference.
I'm on RemICS v1.2 with Devil Kernel 3.0.72. I set GPU from stock 200MHz to OC at 250MHz and I can't tell the difference. But the Kernel developer did say it may not work. Still experimental.
Afaik no big difference, although our GPU is powerful. Maybe stock ROM has other imorovements, so the boost isn't good to feel on ICS.
Samurai05 said:
I'm on RemICS v1.2 with Devil Kernel 3.0.72. I set GPU from stock 200MHz to OC at 250MHz and I can't tell the difference. But the Kernel developer did say it may not work. Still experimental.
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GPU OC isn't same as GPU accelerated UI
And yes ICS should benefit from it..but can't really remember anyone GB times if there has been some speed gain..
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Yeah it does, but i reckon that ICS is really unpolished with it.
Running slim with the latest semaphore and I can definitely say this is the slickest my phone has been, but that is just my opinion
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Lekor2k said:
Hi,
I´ve read that ICS has GPU acceleration for the UI implemented as a standard. Is there really a difference in smoothness compared to custom gb roms? I´m talking about the i9001. But it should be the same as with the i9000
Regards
Lekor
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There are apks that use the gpu. In custom roms i saw that this is true on i9001
The stock browser in 2.3.6 uses GPU acceleration. There are other apps also, but not the OS UI.
In 4.0 custom rom it should work in the apps when you enable the option from the developer options.
No difference. Everything using 8 mb more ram with 200mhz GPU acceleration.
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burakgon said:
No difference. Everything using 8 mb more ram with 200mhz GPU acceleration.
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Bro, just upgraded my i9000 to ice and forced gpu acceleration.
Man even on the xda app itself I can see a marginal difference in smoothness.
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it has an option force gpu rendering that uses 2d hardware acceleration in applications...and you have to set it manual...but dont know if it rly helps in smoothness i think it depends more on the rom then to have this gpu option
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Bro, just upgraded my i9000 to ice and forced gpu acceleration.
Man even on the xda app itself I can see a marginal difference in smoothness.
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Because it's cyanogen. You can see it's even faster on cm7.
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I see an awful lot of people saying it offers no improvements. Personally, I think it does.
I keep my phone up to date as much as possible. When ICS was stable, I jumped right in. I haven't ran Gingerbread in a long, long time—but from what I remember, it had some lag. Android, in fact, was known for this lag. You couldn't read an iOS vs Android debate without this lag being mentioned (at least when Gingerbread was the newest). And I had tried everything: every lag fix, every tweak, every ROM, every kernel, governer, scheduler, OCing, UVing—I tried it all. But I still remember there being lag.
Now I'm in the present. I've been running ICS since it was stable and, quite frankly, I don't notice that lag. I mean, yes, my phone does still lag—if I'm doing something processor intensive in the background—but not like my memories of Gingerbread. Back then, it would lag scrolling through my list of apps; it would lag doing menial UI rendering without anything running in the background. That simply does not happen anymore. Not in my experiences. Not with ICS.
Granted, as I did in Gingbread, I do in ICS—I've applied every fix, every tweak, and every possible software combination that I could get my hands on. I've tried every ROM, every kernel, every setting imaginable. And I do this because I've been thoroughly impressed by the community here at XDA. This device of ours is over 2 years old now. But the software progression does not stop. We move forward as if the hardware was built just yesterday. And I have to tell you, our phone is keeping up—it really is. My phone is faster than a lot of my peers, even with some of them having much newer hardware. And I honestly don't feel I could have said any of this if I had stayed far behind with Gingerbread.
Everyone wants a new phone. It's newer, better, faster. But what they don't realize is that software can fulfill a majority of their wants. It is a continuous improvement, however gradual it may be. To not want to upgrade your software is like not wanting to upgrade your phone. And let's be honest, who doesn't want a new phone—one that's newer, better, and faster—without ever having to buy one.
I do. And that's why I update my phone. But maybe that's just me.