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Would love to see some ROM's with SetCPU or Overclocking options. I heard the Droid could be overclocked. Wonder if Aria has a "Stable happy medium" that is around 800-1000mhz?
I don't think that It could be clocked at 1Ghz, more like 700Mhz. That just seems more likely.
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larry996 said:
Would love to see some ROM's with SetCPU or Overclocking options. I heard the Droid could be overclocked. Wonder if Aria has a "Stable happy medium" that is around 800-1000mhz?
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I would definitely enjoy 1Ghz on my little buddy. Sort of a mini Nexus
Has anyone even tried to overclock?
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Has anyone even tried to overclock?
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Never saw a stock kernel you could overclock. You could download setcpu and play with it. Maybe once we get some custom kernels it will work.
Not sure where the problem is with speed though - this thing is pretty zippy as it is.
Yea, it's pretty fast to me. I think the 600Mhz processor must be a different design than the old 528Mhz processor, because it seems to be much faster. I'm pretty satisfied as it is. Is there a certain app that is running too slow on your phone?
Yeah I agree that the processor Is great as is. I havent noticed any lag at all. even 3d games are running without lag for the most part. If it were overclocked the only difference I think that could be needed is performance with the gpu. Set cpu cant overclock the stock kernel but if we do get a custom kernel im sure we'd be able to overclock it.
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You can never have too much performance. I would love to be able to overclock.
Gpu wise we're fine as we have the same one as the Incredible and Evo, but our cpu is a bit weak. The Incredible and Evo, while they may not be any faster through the menus, are able to do things like loading web pages faster than us because of their faster cpu.
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You can never have too much performance. I would love to be able to overclock.
Gpu wise we're fine as we have the same one as the Incredible and Evo, but our cpu is a bit weak. The Incredible and Evo, while they may not be any faster through the menus, are able to do things like loading web pages faster than us because of their faster cpu.
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What makes you say the CPU is weak? I'm don't buy for a second that the CPU is a gating web page refresh speeds.
The CPU is not the same architecture as the old 528 mhz HTCs. The Aria does not need a 1 ghz Snapdragon to perform very well given the graphics requirement of the screen which has far less resolution to manage and requires far less from the both CPU and GPU, and given that this is a small smartphone, and not a game deck. You can't underestimate the difference in power required to drive a 480x800 compared to a 320x480 display. It's enormous for devices like these.
I am sure in time this device will be overclocked by some just because it can be, but the vast majority of us aren't worried about playing Warcraft on the Aria. People who want to do that aren't looking at the Aria is the first place, with it's 3.2" screen, which fits nicely wherever a portable phone might, but isn't going to make anyone go "oh wow, is that a flatscreen tv in your pocket or are you happy to see me?"
If you want to overclock yours, you are perfectly free to do so - once we get another kernel choice that supports it.
I think when you consider running Flash on your phone, there is NO such thing as too much performance.
When you consider full screen flash at 320x480 vs 480x800, the Aria can hold it's own against the larger Snapdragons. If the Aria has trouble with full screen flash, it's not because of the Aria, and it's not because the processor is weak.
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When you consider full screen flash at 320x480 vs 480x800, the Aria can hold it's own against the larger Snapdragons. If the Aria has trouble with full screen flash, it's not because of the Aria, and it's not because the processor is weak.
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I concede that you have a point.
we might need a kernal that support over 600mhz .
How did they overclock the driod? Is that kernel or setcpu?
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Using the kernel eljefe27 links and overclockwidget I was able to overclock to 806mhz and get a higher quadrant score. I'm running ATTN1's fr006 rom(froyo+sense.) All apps stable as far as I can tell and network functional. Under advanced settings the app can define its own possible overclock values for the CPU. I'm wondering if its missing higher clocks, as there is the option to set them manually. Im just scared to, lol.
Because I can't post outside links, the kernel can be found hya:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=821933&highlight=overclock
Edit: unstable, nevermind
light24bulbs said:
Using the kernel eljefe27 links and overclockwidget I was able to overclock to 806mhz and get a higher quadrant score. I'm running ATTN1's fr006 rom(froyo+sense.) All apps stable as far as I can tell and network functional. Under advanced settings the app can define its own possible overclock values for the CPU. I'm wondering if its missing higher clocks, as there is the option to set them manually. Im just scared to, lol.
Because I can't post outside links, the kernel can be found hya:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=821933&highlight=overclock
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Untrue. It may be unstable for you but not everyone. I'm currently running at 825mhz, was running at 844mhz.
Your mileage may vary.
I heard overclocking 33% over stock is a good benchmark for performance.
does anybody have any rough ideas what would the wildfire score in linpack with jit in like a cyanogenmod and overclocked? i see many lower budget smartphones reaching 10/15 mflops! would this be possible on the wildfire?
Yes! when running 2.2 android maybe!
My desire had 8 on 2.1 android.
Moved to 40 with 2.2 android
its 5x more. today wildfire have ~3 x5=15 so yeah maybe.
so we have to wait for froyo to come?
my main concern is that when im going through settings and apps and all that, i get some lag. for example when in settings and i press for something to open, the transaction is not smooth as the desire. would that be better with the froyo update?
no answer? :/
FroYo is way more efficient and thus its faster.
http://www.androidcentral.com/how-fast-android-22-froyo-reportedly-boost-speed-450-percent
with launcherpro you can go through your apps with no lag at all so i guess its not the "raw cpu power" thats missing then rather bad optimization of htc sense for wildfire. i could be wrong tho
what i mean is for example when ur in setting and press about phone, in desire and other phones the transaction to next screen is very fast and smooth while on the wildfire i have to wait just a little bit.
would that be better when froyo finally come out -.-
I know what zaphod-159 is talking about now, I have a Legend and playing Hyper Jump (lite) on it is good and fast - however on my wifes' Wildfire it's much slower and to me is not playable. The processor's are similar and the speed difference in Mhz is not a great deal, but yet it is so much slower.
Hopefully 2.2 official will solve that and the reports of x10 increase some phones have had will happen on the Wildfire
that would be soo nice any idea when froyo will be out for the wildfire?
btw, which phones showed an increase of x10? and would that be possible on the wildfire?
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What overclocking set up are your using ??
What Quadrant benchmarks are you getting ??
Which ones have you tested and what's your oppinion ??
What 'bout battery life ??
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My experience:
1.- Stock experience.
I've been comparing the DZ to an X10 (1GHz SoC), performing the same tasks simultaneously on both. Without any overclocking, the Desire Z really blows the antenna off the X10.
IMHO HTC did a great job with the DZ and Sense here, this phone was already smooth as butter beforehand. I love scrolling with the "Asteroid belt" live wallpaper, full web browsing, viewing pics... everything is slick.
My batt life was pretty decent but not overstanding (it barely makes it to the end of the day, but I am aware I really sqweeze it, heavy user am I ).
2.- After Overclocking.
I've got some days with the godspeed overclocked (stock) kernel @ 1.42 GHz, no particular SetCPU profile set, just flashed and went staright to my standard everyday use:
- Battery life barely affected, I'd say unnoticeable unless I start to play games .
- Heavy tasks do run better @ 1.42 GHz, I can notice the improvement from loading angry birds to viewing powerpoints to web browsing, but I really don't notice any difference when using small "normal" apps.
- Quadrant score: 2471 @ 1.42 GHz (range fluctuates from 2100 to 2500)
Can somebody recommend me a good Doom/Quake like game ??
I tested overclock temporarily to about 1.3Ghz via the old temp root method (before we got the full root) and in all honesty I feel the stock default speed is very fast as it is. Until I actually come across a laggy situation (a high end game or something) then I am not really going to both with overclocking.
But would love to do it using a method not requiring flashing - something just done under root.
Stock Experience
This is my third htc android phone after having a hero, desire and now the z. Nothing about battery life on the z was going to surprise me after owning the desire. Stock battery life on the desire was shocking! underclocking saved it completely. Now although the Z is better its not much.
Battery life on stock you would be lucky to last a day, even without much use.
Custom Experience
Now to get the best out of all my android phones battery life I do 2 things. Underclock for screen off as low as your phone will allow (and powersave governor), on the desire and the z I could go as low as any kernel would allow us too, my hero was not so good and didn't like the low speeds
Overclock when in use (I got to 1.4ghz and get a nice experience), with a good governor, ideally the new "smartass" governor, but interactive or ondemand will be fine.
I now get about 48 hours from it, with a descent amount of use. Which is great for me, I charge it every night anyway.
More input appreciated
Stock Experience
Day two after getting my DZ I installed Quadrant Standard and performed a benchmark. The best I got was 1588, and that was completely stock with a few apps installed. The more I seemed to install on it the "worse" the numbers seemed to get..although my lowest score was only around the 1400 mark.
As far as battery went I was lucky to get 8 hours out of the phone (although I was obviously tweaking and playing with it alot). I followed a few of the battery saving tips here http://www.goodandevo.net/2010/05/20-tips-to-improve-htc-evo-4g-battery-life.html and it seemed to improve it so I could at least get 10-12 hours from it.
Overclocking
Since going to the 1.4Ghz overclock kernal this morning, the highest Quadrant score i've seen is high 1800's. Not a huge jump imo over the initial stock clock i was running..but I can definately tell the phone is running faster now.
Battery has yet to be determined as I just installed setCPU last night and havent' fully had a chance to gauge whether it's impacting battery yet or not.
EDIT: After flashing 1.4 on my phone in the morning..by the afternoon I was getting some funky things happening with the phone (weird sound quality during calls, getting stuck on reboot screen) so I uninstalled and flashed the 1.2 on to try it out. After rebooting I did a Quadrant test, but this time I put SetCPU from On-demand to Performance..and my Quadrant score broke 2k. So now i'm curious as to what I would get with the 1.4 kernal running Performance mode..but i'm leery about the way my phone was acting while using it..
Been trying to flash 1.4 but my phone freezes at boot and does not happen anything, however with 1.2 ghz I get a quadrant of 1900 - 2000.
Any ideas what I can do so my phone can flash the 1.4 ghz kernel? Or simply my phone can handle it?
buzmay said:
Been trying to flash 1.4 but my phone freezes at boot and does not happen anything, however with 1.2 ghz I get a quadrant of 1900 - 2000.
Any ideas what I can do so my phone can flash the 1.4 ghz kernel? Or simply my phone can handle it?
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a) try the new s-off method (uber root with scotty2's gfree)
b) download the 1.4Hz update again, and check the MD5 checksum
gtrab said:
a) try the new s-off method (uber root with scotty2's gfree)
b) download the 1.4Hz update again, and check the MD5 checksum
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MD5 checksum are correct, I used your method for "dummies" and was able to flash the 1.2 ghz, why should not I be able to flash the 1.4?
Why trying a) will help me?
Thanks in advance
buzmay said:
MD5 checksum are correct, I used your method for "dummies" and was able to flash the 1.2 ghz, why should not I be able to flash the 1.4?
Why trying a) will help me?
Thanks in advance
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just for testing purposes...
it is a full mystery to me, why you can flash the other two and not this one
gtrab said:
just for testing purposes...
it is a full mystery to me, why you can flash the other two and not this one
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I did now the uberrot method and tried to flash your 1.4 ghz and no succes it gets stuck in the htc quietly brilliant splash
buzmay said:
I did now the uberrot method and tried to flash your 1.4 ghz and no succes it gets stuck in the htc quietly brilliant splash
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You're just putting on a new kernel, right ? What ROM version do you have ? I wonder if there's an incompatibility.
1.4ghz setcpu with the vision_oc.ko module load after every boot, oldest method found on this forum, stock rom, quadrant around 2200.
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You're just putting on a new kernel, right ? What ROM version do you have ? I wonder if there's an incompatibility.
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Yes what I am doing is download the zip enter into recovery mode and flash zip from sd card. No wipe since I am on stock Rom rooted and s-OFF. I can flash the 1.2 but not the 1.4
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buzmay said:
Yes what I am doing is download the zip enter into recovery mode and flash zip from sd card. No wipe since I am on stock Rom rooted and s-OFF. I can flash the 1.2 but not the 1.4
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I don't use that method. There's an easier way without rebooting to bootloader:
Open the ROM Manager app
Tap "Install ROM from SD card"
then, scroll to choose the OC Kernel Update
ROM manager will do the rest.
Try this.
gtrab said:
I don't use that method. There's an easier way without rebooting to bootloader:
Open the ROM Manager app
Tap "Install ROM from SD card"
then, scroll to choose the OC Kernel Update
ROM manager will do the rest.
Try this.
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This was the first method I tried following your guide but not even like this. I wonder if it is the phone that cannot simply take the overclock isn't it a way of getting a kernel with standard 800 able to overclock to 1.4???
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buzmay said:
This was the first method I tried following your guide but not even like this. I wonder if it is the phone that cannot simply take the overclock isn't it a way of getting a kernel with standard 800 able to overclock to 1.4???
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you are not alone, another user has reported problems not being able to flash the 1.4GHz update, but the other ones flash OK this is curious
please follow the thread @ android dev
buzmay said:
I did now the uberrot method and tried to flash your 1.4 ghz and no succes it gets stuck in the htc quietly brilliant splash
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I had that too, try to flash the 1.2 Ghz first and then the 1.4
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I had that too, try to flash the 1.2 Ghz first and then the 1.4
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Interesting...
That worked for you ?? (flashing 1.2GHz first and then 1.4GHz)
I have a Desire Z with the 1.8GHz kernel and CyanogenMod 6.1 CR1.
I got a Quadrant score of about 2842 with no other apps running afterboot.
I upgraded from a HTC Magic and I had a X10 Mini in between (dont ask)
I missed the keyboard and this was cheaper then a desire HD with the same screen res (I know the physical size is smaller)
With the kernel hack and cyanogen im getting about 36hours of battery life but I am a relatively light user and generally keep my phone on charge at night/in the office
Im tempted to try the 1.9GHz hack but I want to make sure the 1.8 is stable for a week or so first. However the bottle neck is now more around memory/2d graphics so increasing the speed wont add much
I have my Desire Z on the stock speed and I got 1600 on Quadrant
Hello everyone!
I've been looking on the web for some time now about the new HTC Titans CPU,
clocked at 1.5GHz, named as Scorpion MSM8255 (same as ours (DHDs CPU)).
What do you guys think about it? Since our MSM8255 can "officialy" only hit 1GHz,
but now HTCs new MSM8255 can get it to 1.5GHz?!
I've searched the wiki also and i cannot find any differences.
Oh wait, is it that T at the end maybe? Just found it now.
HTC Titan: MSM8255T
Okay, so anyone know more about this? Feel free to comment
It's the same chipset. HTC did the same on the Flyer. They just OCed the cpu to 1.5 GHz since the cpu can handle it without problems.
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How easy is it to actually oc the dhd cpu and is it really wise?
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A fellow Bristolian! Hi!
How easy? Very. 1.3GHz is achievable on the DHD with stock volts (1.1V). Wise? Yeah, anything up to around 1.2V is sensible, and safe is far beyond that.
To be honest, nobody will need to go past 1.3GHz, virtually all ROMs run smoothly at that clock.
Haha hey nice surprise lol
Oh sounds good. Pretty new to this only just rooted and flashed custom ROM the other day. Wasn't sure if I should OC or not tho. Guessing it's going to reduce an already poor battery life haha
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affinity121 said:
How easy is it to actually oc the dhd cpu and is it really wise?
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I've had mine at 2GHz. I clocked it down to 1,3GHz after 10 minutes since it got REALLY hot. But it managed to run just fine at that speed.
affinity121 said:
Haha hey nice surprise lol
Oh sounds good. Pretty new to this only just rooted and flashed custom ROM the other day. Wasn't sure if I should OC or not tho. Guessing it's going to reduce an already poor battery life haha
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Well, all of the kernels undervolt as well. Almost all of them run the processor at 1.2GHz at stock voltage. So overclocking shouldn't shorten battery life. Also, remember that many of the ROMs have andrev or virtuous OC daemons installed, so they will be underclocked to minimum speed most of the time. So either way, battery life and performance will be improved.
As for overclocking to 2GHz, while it is possible, I'd very strongly suggest you don't do so.
But it does prove that firstly, the MSM8255 is very overclockable, unlike the larger processed chip in the Desire (which I think will really go as far as 1.2GHz only, correct me if I'm wrong...). The Flyer's processor is exactly the same, just selected (a process called binning) because it is "capable" of running at that speed at the required, and desired voltages with the required stability that the manufacturer (Qualcomm) wants.
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Well, all of the kernels undervolt as well. Almost all of them run the processor at 1.2GHz at stock voltage. So overclocking shouldn't shorten battery life. Also, remember that many of the ROMs have andrev or virtuous OC daemons installed, so they will be underclocked to minimum speed most of the time. So either way, battery life and performance will be improved.
As for overclocking to 2GHz, while it is possible, I'd very strongly suggest you don't do so.
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Thanks for the reply. I'm currently using rcmix runnymede ROM and its not oc'd. Would a OC of 1.3 be wise on stock voltages?
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1.3 might be pushing it. Mine needs 1.125V to be stable. I'd suggest that you probably do the same just in case, or even better 1.150.
The safest thing to do is take a look at the NCTeam kernel voltages, and use those (use IncrediControl from the Market to change voltages). They should work for virtually everybody. 1.3GHz is the speed I needed on Sense ROMs to be very smooth, you might find it is less though.
The desire hd doesnt actually overheat much @ 1.3ghz (I use that + Performance governor when playing some games), so the CPU can probably be overclocked quite alot without any problems
Other phones overheat quite a bit @ stock speeds...
Mine is set to 1,6GHz and it can handle 3d gaming for hours with the case only getting a bit warm. I wrote in a different thread that WP7 is getting an update and it will be able to run on DHD hardware. Maybe some devs will be interested in porting it to DHD then. It would be nice to dual boot Android and WP7. I can almost see all iPhone users faces.
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314 said:
The desire hd doesnt actually overheat much @ 1.3ghz (I use that + Performance governor when playing some games), so the CPU can probably be overclocked quite alot without any problems
Other phones overheat quite a bit @ stock speeds...
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Just to make sure I was clear, I meant that 1.3GHz could be pushing it on stock voltage, not that it could be pushing the limits of the chipset for speed. I think everyone got that, and knows that, but was just making sure.
As for heat, my phone didn't even heat up at 1.3GHz. You can push very far with no problems.
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Mine is set to 1,6GHz and it can handle 3d gaming for hours with the case only getting a bit warm. I wrote in a different thread that WP7 is getting an update and it will be able to run on DHD hardware. Maybe some devs will be interested in porting it to DHD then. It would be nice to dual boot Android and WP7. I can almost see all iPhone users faces.
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Don't forget that we need a wp7 bootloader. The android one can't handle wp7. Furthermore we probably have to repartition our internal memory (or sdcard if you want to run it from there) since wp7 uses other partitions than android (not sure about that, but i guess we have to.)
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Hi,
I´ve read that ICS has GPU acceleration for the UI implemented as a standard. Is there really a difference in smoothness compared to custom gb roms? I´m talking about the i9001. But it should be the same as with the i9000
Regards
Lekor
Can't tell the difference.
I'm on RemICS v1.2 with Devil Kernel 3.0.72. I set GPU from stock 200MHz to OC at 250MHz and I can't tell the difference. But the Kernel developer did say it may not work. Still experimental.
Afaik no big difference, although our GPU is powerful. Maybe stock ROM has other imorovements, so the boost isn't good to feel on ICS.
Samurai05 said:
I'm on RemICS v1.2 with Devil Kernel 3.0.72. I set GPU from stock 200MHz to OC at 250MHz and I can't tell the difference. But the Kernel developer did say it may not work. Still experimental.
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GPU OC isn't same as GPU accelerated UI
And yes ICS should benefit from it..but can't really remember anyone GB times if there has been some speed gain..
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Yeah it does, but i reckon that ICS is really unpolished with it.
Running slim with the latest semaphore and I can definitely say this is the slickest my phone has been, but that is just my opinion
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Lekor2k said:
Hi,
I´ve read that ICS has GPU acceleration for the UI implemented as a standard. Is there really a difference in smoothness compared to custom gb roms? I´m talking about the i9001. But it should be the same as with the i9000
Regards
Lekor
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There are apks that use the gpu. In custom roms i saw that this is true on i9001
The stock browser in 2.3.6 uses GPU acceleration. There are other apps also, but not the OS UI.
In 4.0 custom rom it should work in the apps when you enable the option from the developer options.
No difference. Everything using 8 mb more ram with 200mhz GPU acceleration.
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burakgon said:
No difference. Everything using 8 mb more ram with 200mhz GPU acceleration.
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Bro, just upgraded my i9000 to ice and forced gpu acceleration.
Man even on the xda app itself I can see a marginal difference in smoothness.
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it has an option force gpu rendering that uses 2d hardware acceleration in applications...and you have to set it manual...but dont know if it rly helps in smoothness i think it depends more on the rom then to have this gpu option
MrAndroid12 said:
Bro, just upgraded my i9000 to ice and forced gpu acceleration.
Man even on the xda app itself I can see a marginal difference in smoothness.
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Because it's cyanogen. You can see it's even faster on cm7.
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I see an awful lot of people saying it offers no improvements. Personally, I think it does.
I keep my phone up to date as much as possible. When ICS was stable, I jumped right in. I haven't ran Gingerbread in a long, long time—but from what I remember, it had some lag. Android, in fact, was known for this lag. You couldn't read an iOS vs Android debate without this lag being mentioned (at least when Gingerbread was the newest). And I had tried everything: every lag fix, every tweak, every ROM, every kernel, governer, scheduler, OCing, UVing—I tried it all. But I still remember there being lag.
Now I'm in the present. I've been running ICS since it was stable and, quite frankly, I don't notice that lag. I mean, yes, my phone does still lag—if I'm doing something processor intensive in the background—but not like my memories of Gingerbread. Back then, it would lag scrolling through my list of apps; it would lag doing menial UI rendering without anything running in the background. That simply does not happen anymore. Not in my experiences. Not with ICS.
Granted, as I did in Gingbread, I do in ICS—I've applied every fix, every tweak, and every possible software combination that I could get my hands on. I've tried every ROM, every kernel, every setting imaginable. And I do this because I've been thoroughly impressed by the community here at XDA. This device of ours is over 2 years old now. But the software progression does not stop. We move forward as if the hardware was built just yesterday. And I have to tell you, our phone is keeping up—it really is. My phone is faster than a lot of my peers, even with some of them having much newer hardware. And I honestly don't feel I could have said any of this if I had stayed far behind with Gingerbread.
Everyone wants a new phone. It's newer, better, faster. But what they don't realize is that software can fulfill a majority of their wants. It is a continuous improvement, however gradual it may be. To not want to upgrade your software is like not wanting to upgrade your phone. And let's be honest, who doesn't want a new phone—one that's newer, better, and faster—without ever having to buy one.
I do. And that's why I update my phone. But maybe that's just me.