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As my question implies, can anyone break it down for me as to why it is a good move to root my phone? I'm on AT&T right now, with ADW EX home launcher. I'm happy with the overall speed. Can you list out some advantages of rooting? I'm not looking for the general reasons to root, I want reasons SPECIFIC to the Atrix on AT&T. Sideloading and Amazon app store are the only two reasons I have so far. What is the advantage in terms of battery life, speed, stability, overheating etc? What about compatibility with future motorola updates? Thanks!
sideloading and amazon app pretty much sums it up for now, and the ability to install psuedo roms like gingerblur and Gladiatrix
Oh. that brings me to the second point, rooting lets you remove bloat apps and install apps that need root, like this new app I'm trying called LBE Security Service.
Later on, when custom roms and kernels are made, you'll have to have Superuser access (root) before you can access those parts of the data.
Advantages in terms of battery life, speed, stability etc? It depends on the rom you load. Some roms may boast extended battery life/speed and if you install those, you would have those extra features. For now, since we have nothing of that sort, you will remain stock with root, but you'll be ready if/when something comes out.
Last word, I say root it. It lets you customize your android experience. You can install new fonts, remove that ATT bloatware, and you can sideload (try out betas, etc)
(Oops, real last word)
Compatibility with future updates? You'll probably have to flash with SBF to update from now on instead of OTA, but thats a preference anyway. In the end, you will be able to update fine, so don't worry about it. Though if you are lazy to do research and actually invest time into your phone, I say don't root it because theres no point. If you want to experience android in its fullest and customize as much as you can, ROOT is the only way.
Hope I hoped.
Rooting Advantages:
-Sideloading
-P-ROMS (basically an enhanced theme)
-Custom Themes
-Custom Apps such as Applanet(best app you'll ever come across)
-Battery life is extended a bit, nothing drastic though
-Speed seems be a bit better, nothing greatly drastic
-The heat production is pretty much the same
-Memory does free up a bit more (mostly in the P-ROMS)
-Bloatware removed (lots of useless ****)
Disadvantage
-issues with P-ROMS, sometimes when installing they work properly and sometimes they don't.
-Root access sometimes lost if unused for a long period of time.
I'd say wait until the bootloader either gets hacked or bypassed because you'll save yourself tons of heartache.
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-Root access sometimes lost if unused for a long period of time.
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I never heard that!
Well About root, you can make your phone really yours adding new features or customizing everything you want: You can add support for Cisco VPNs, enable hotspot and sideloading, change the clock speed of your phone processor, and so on!
chaitu45 said:
As my question implies, can anyone break it down for me as to why it is a good move to root my phone? I'm on AT&T right now, with ADW EX home launcher. I'm happy with the overall speed. Can you list out some advantages of rooting? I'm not looking for the general reasons to root, I want reasons SPECIFIC to the Atrix on AT&T. Sideloading and Amazon app store are the only two reasons I have so far. What is the advantage in terms of battery life, speed, stability, overheating etc? What about compatibility with future motorola updates? Thanks!
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Dont. No reason for you to root.
If you haft to ask a question like this than dont
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Rooting Advantages:
-P-ROMS (basically an enhanced theme)
-Custom Apps such as Applanet(best app you'll ever come across)
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*P-roms are not just enhanced themes. They include tweaks and mods in them.
*Applanet promotes piracy and hurts the developers communities. Promoting it in XDA is prohibited by the way.
Mafisometal said:
Rooting Advantages:
-Sideloading
-P-ROMS (basically an enhanced theme)
-Custom Themes
-Custom Apps such as Applanet(best app you'll ever come across)
-Battery life is extended a bit, nothing drastic though
-Speed seems be a bit better, nothing greatly drastic
-The heat production is pretty much the same
-Memory does free up a bit more (mostly in the P-ROMS)
-Bloatware removed (lots of useless ****)
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Reported for promoting theft (Applanet)
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Reported for promoting theft (Applanet)
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Childish.
While I don't agree with people using App Planet and ripping of developers, he never said "download app planet and get all those awesome apps for free" or "you can steal em!"
He answered the guys question based on his beliefs and not ours. You can not fault him for telling the truth as he sees it.
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Childish.
While I don't agree with people using App Planet and ripping of developers, he never said "download app planet and get all those awesome apps for free" or "you can steal em!"
He answered the guys question based on his beliefs and not ours. You can not fault him for telling the truth as he sees it.
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"(best app you'll ever come across)" is more than just a recommendation.
Why you think he told the OP applanet is the best he will ever come across? What is it applanet has to be that? think about it and be logical.
CyberPunk7t9 said:
"(best app you'll ever come across)" is more than just a recommendation.
Why you think he told the OP applanet is the best he will ever come across? What is it applanet has to be that? think about it and be logical.
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I have thought about it. The OP asked a question and to the person who answered, he answered honestly and told him what he thought.
Remember, our right is sometimes someone elses wrong, and vice versa. It all depends on perspective.
He may have said applanet, but he never said download it. All I am saying is it was childish for him to be reported for mentioning the app and that he uses it. It would be much the same as someone admitting the downloaded mp3s from a torrent site. Just because someone mentions one, it does not mean he is telling people to go to that site and download music he has not paid for and has no legal right to do it.
Besides are we not on a website that has software dedicated to screwing over our carriers and voiding our agreements with the carriers? You can not call foul on one person and not the others.
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I have thought about it. The OP asked a question and to the person who answered, he answered honestly and told him what he thought.
Remember, our right is sometimes someone elses wrong, and vice versa. It all depends on perspective.
He may have said applanet, but he never said download it. All I am saying is it was childish for him to be reported for mentioning the app and that he uses it. It would be much the same as someone admitting the downloaded mp3s from a torrent site. Just because someone mentions one, it does not mean he is telling people to go to that site and download music he has not paid for and has no legal right to do it.
Besides are we not on a website that has software dedicated to screwing over our carriers and voiding our agreements with the carriers? You can not call foul on one person and not the others.
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I agree with what you're saying on the general level and not just specifically our topic here.
All what we're saying plain and simple.. XDA does not allow warez/applanet topics.
You can find many closed topics like this one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1022363
This could have been avoided. OP's questions were about rooting. Applanet does not even require it.
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I agree with what you're saying on the general level and not just specifically our topic here.
All what we're saying plain and simple.. XDA does not allow warez/applanet topics.
You can find many closed topics like this one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1022363
This could have been avoided. OP's questions were about rooting. Applanet does not even require it.
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Oh I know it's against the rules and I have a huge problem with people not paying for their apps.
I am just not a big fan of the pot calling the kettle black. Technically using pdanet or any of the free tethers to bypass our carriers system is the same as screwing a good developer out of money.
The fact that we will report someone for mentioning applanet while many still do other methods to screw someone over, well it seems childish. Maybe I should just shut up and move on, but then I would feel wrong for not saying something.
However on topic, if you don't know why you should root, then you shouldn't consider it. Rooting will not make your experience with your phone any better or worse. It just allows you to install a few apps such as the amazon store and those found here on XDA on your phone. Technically you can do more with it, but the pros do not often out weigh the cons. Unless you have a need, don't bother with rooting.
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sideloading and amazon app pretty much sums it up for now, and the ability to install psuedo roms like gingerblur and Gladiatrix
Oh. that brings me to the second point, rooting lets you remove bloat apps and install apps that need root, like this new app I'm trying called LBE Security Service.
Later on, when custom roms and kernels are made, you'll have to have Superuser access (root) before you can access those parts of the data.
Advantages in terms of battery life, speed, stability etc? It depends on the rom you load. Some roms may boast extended battery life/speed and if you install those, you would have those extra features. For now, since we have nothing of that sort, you will remain stock with root, but you'll be ready if/when something comes out.
Last word, I say root it. It lets you customize your android experience. You can install new fonts, remove that ATT bloatware, and you can sideload (try out betas, etc)
(Oops, real last word)
Compatibility with future updates? You'll probably have to flash with SBF to update from now on instead of OTA, but thats a preference anyway. In the end, you will be able to update fine, so don't worry about it. Though if you are lazy to do research and actually invest time into your phone, I say don't root it because theres no point. If you want to experience android in its fullest and customize as much as you can, ROOT is the only way.
Hope I hoped.
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Thank you for the informative and thorough response. I'm an avid Android user since 1.5 and have rooted older Android phones many times. My intention with asking this question was to understand if the Atrix truly benefits from rooting or are users rooting it for bragging rights. The troubles I've faced with custom ROMs for previous android devices were many, ranging from innumerable patches and add-ons to multiple FCs regularly. Since the Atrix is my primary phone I would prefer stability in a custom ROM as opposed to features which I won't end up using often like HDMI mirroring (this is a personal opinion, i'm sure other users have other requirements).
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Thank you for the informative and thorough response. I'm an avid Android user since 1.5 and have rooted older Android phones many times. My intention with asking this question was to understand if the Atrix truly benefits from rooting or are users rooting it for bragging rights. The troubles I've faced with custom ROMs for previous android devices were many, ranging from innumerable patches and add-ons to multiple FCs regularly. Since the Atrix is my primary phone I would prefer stability in a custom ROM as opposed to features which I won't end up using often like HDMI mirroring (this is a personal opinion, i'm sure other users have other requirements).
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IMO a custom ROM is not necessary. Stock Atrix + root + one of the launchers is more than enough. My phone is rooted so that I can enable sideloading/Amazon app store and also for Titanium backup to backup everything. The other 'fun' stuff like hdmi mirroring, hulu, etc are ok but not must haves.
edit: root also so I can put my ringtones in /system/media/audio/ringtones and not lose ringtone assignments every time the phone sdcard and sdcard-ext unmounts/mounts.
You do not need to have root permissions to remove ATT bloatware. With latest OTA, they removed root requirement to uninstall their software, but they haven't done anything to allow us side-loading. I hope that this will be addressed in the next OTA.
I am a new android user (Atrix first Android phone) and I have enjoyed the rooting experience. Root explorer is worth the price of admission imho and the other day I had a problem that I couldn't fix without a rooted phone. (now using autostarts to prevent music on my device playing automatically when the phone connects to my truck via bt). And I like the control I have over my phone since it is rooted (freezing apps, etc).
In regards to updates how hard it is depends on how you mod your phone. If you do the webtop hack you will have to put the oem files back prior to updating. If you have apps frozen I believe you need to thaw them. Other than that it is just a matter of preserving root (which means about 5 minutes using adb to hide root and then after you update restoring it; no big deal)
chaitu45 said:
As my question implies, can anyone break it down for me as to why it is a good move to root my phone? I'm on AT&T right now, with ADW EX home launcher. I'm happy with the overall speed. Can you list out some advantages of rooting? I'm not looking for the general reasons to root, I want reasons SPECIFIC to the Atrix on AT&T. Sideloading and Amazon app store are the only two reasons I have so far. What is the advantage in terms of battery life, speed, stability, overheating etc? What about compatibility with future motorola updates? Thanks!
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Control. You do not have it ATM. Rooting is exactly that, the most possible control you can gain over the phone, software wise.
#1 reason I rooted my atrix is simply to add a custom rom onto it. I don't like the look of the stock motoblur so I got rid of it asap.
i'm sure there are tons of reasons to root the phone but if you're afraid to do it because you might brick your phone or something there's a lot of tutorials that will guide you step-by-step on how to do it. I actually made a tutorial myself.
that's for the actual rooting process and if you need to downgrade your phone here's the other part of it. doing a fresh SBF Flash.
ok i'm not sure why my youtube links came out like that and i'm not sure how to fix it either any help from anybody?
As you all probably know, this phone is a pos after the upgrade. I'm willing to sell mine if there is a taker. I have moved on. That being said, the poor phone has a lot of capabilities, if one would take the time to handle the random issues in them.
But, mostly, I just wanted to say hi
~Madman
I agree with that! I moved up to atrix. What'd you go with?
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I find the phone to be better in almost every area after the update to 2.2.2.
The battery last 2-3x longer. I can enable unknown sources without jumping through hoops. The phone was still easily rootable after the update.
The downside was that froyo used more of the precious internal space, although being able to save apps to the SD card helps a little. However, there is a bug with froyo that happens randomly when installing apps. It won't install x app and says there's insufficient space, even though there's enough. The bug usually occurs with less than 20mb free space internally.
That said, the update to froyo has given my Flipside new life (addtionally, using the Go Launcher and some other helps helped...). That doesn't mean I'm not anticipating when I'll be able to upgrade my phone....
What is the latest version of Android that I can run on my Samsung Continuum assuming I am successful in rooting it?
Also I have seen _many_ tutorials about rooting the Continuum. The problem is most of them are 2 years old. Is there a place to go to find the most recent, simplest, safest, way to root it?
TIA
chuckh1958 said:
What is the latest version of Android that I can run on my Samsung Continuum assuming I am successful in rooting it?
Also I have seen _many_ tutorials about rooting the Continuum. The problem is most of them are 2 years old. Is there a place to go to find the most recent, simplest, safest, way to root it?
TIA
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Use super one click. It will do the trick. The best way to understand all the different mods and ROMs is to read the threads and then re-read until you feel like you understand the process. I did that and was ok. I also played around with some of the different flashing techniques because those are super valuable. One recommendation that was made to me was to root and get used to the flashing and mods in EC09. I recommend taking that advice, EC09 is more forgiving, EG04 is touchier and will softbrick or bootloop more often if mods are not flashed properly. Read-Learn-Try-Repeat. When you feel ready GB (EG04) is the lastest. Go to the New Rom Ginger thread and do the config found in the thread and then follow the instructions in the OP. I used Hjsplit to combine the files and Odin to flash. If you need help typically someone is around every day or two. Oh yeah and BACKUP BACKUP BACKUP. If you don't back up a lot of times you will have to reflash a usable ROM through Odin and then rebuild.
Do you think it's worth rooting if the latest OS I can get is GB? I mean that's something like 2 years old and IIRC had a lot of problems. From what my colleagues have told me, the first completely reliable version is JB. They all have newer devices, upgraded, and said all of their problems went away with JB.
If I do root and upgrade to GB, will I lose anything? For example purchased apps? Will the play store still think I have an unrooted SCH-I400 with Froyo and still tell me that an app is incompatible even though it really is?
It's up to you and whether you think it's worth the root and the trouble. Flashing comes with risks and you have to assume that risk for yourself and your phone.
Everyone here has been helpful when issues arise but it's up to the individual what they ultimately decide to do or not do to their phone.
As to what happens to apps, I'm not sure I only run free apps and did not mind re-downloading a few of them. I did not have to reactivate my phone nor did I remember losing anything I thought critical, of course that is where backing up the phone comes into play. I use Titanium backup, sms backup, the standard google contacts sync and cwm, each for different reasons.
As to whether it will recognize GB I don't know I have not noticed anything one way or the other. Really I didn't notice much other than being able to use the GB mods on this forum. But I am still learning basic theming and mod development.
Thanks for your replies. In my opinion its not worth the risk if the best I can do is get to a 2 year old operating system thats already obsolete. I think I need to find a device that's not so limited. Given the problems I've had with it and lack of updates, it won't be another Samsung. I'm thinking perhaps a Motorola Droid. My past smartphone experiences with Motorola products has been very positive. Its been just the opposite with multiple Samsung devices.
NP, this phone is definitely hard to work with sometimes. Great for someone like me who wants to learn development, full of challenges. Good luck to ya.
Any thoughts on the Droid Razr? It's free from Verizon, has LTE, and now comes with Jelly Bean.
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Thanks for your replies. In my opinion its not worth the risk if the best I can do is get to a 2 year old operating system thats already obsolete. I think I need to find a device that's not so limited. Given the problems I've had with it and lack of updates, it won't be another Samsung. I'm thinking perhaps a Motorola Droid. My past smartphone experiences with Motorola products has been very positive. Its been just the opposite with multiple Samsung devices.
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http://www.webpronews.com/latest-an...erbread-still-on-top-but-not-for-long-2012-10
thats of oct '12
ram maybe the real hurdle so ics/jb maynot be in the continuums future at all, like u said u may need a better device for what u do, i have been patching sources from froyo sources (i400 drivers) to gb i500 sources at a shot at aosp, cm7.2 maybe still ahead.
Imo, don't go with anything motorola if you want to be rooting and ROMing. They always tend to have locked bootloaders. Don't let the continuum sour your impression of samsung. This is a rather old phone. Just make sure to get a device that is well supported here at XDA and make sure it's a rather high end handset and you should be all good.
Its not just the continuum. I had a Windows smartphone a few years ago from Samsung and it was junk. It wouldn't even remember my BT pairings for more than 2 weeks before I'd have to start pairing things again.
If I get a phone where they regularly upgrade it to a recent OS I wouldn't even be considering rooting, so a locked bootloader isn't a big concern.
I also don't want to spend a lot of money on the phone so a high-end handset (i.e GS3) is out of the question. I cant help it but I'm a cheapskate. The original razr is being offered free by Verizon.
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Its not just the continuum. I had a Windows smartphone a few years ago from Samsung and it was junk. It wouldn't even remember my BT pairings for more than 2 weeks before I'd have to start pairing things again.
If I get a phone where they regularly upgrade it to a recent OS I wouldn't even be considering rooting, so a locked bootloader isn't a big concern.
I also don't want to spend a lot of money on the phone so a high-end handset (i.e GS3) is out of the question. I cant help it but I'm a cheapskate. The original razr is being offered free by Verizon.
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The Omnia was great minus the touch screen. I'm not sure if that is what you had but it was what I came from. Compared to other smart phones for the money the Omnia wasn't too bad. Same with the Continuum, I got it for free 2 years ago. Was worth it then and this forum really helps keep it interesting.
My two cents:
GB is worth it, is really not much work and does offer some good improvements. There are a few bugs, but nothing that is a deal breaker. And the great thing is, if you do root and go to GB and don't like it is just as easy to go back to stock. It is a two year old phone, and if you think you may upgrade anyway you might as well try it... You may like it and save some money/hassle of upgrading.
And you will still have all the apps that you downloaded/purchased from the market, and the apps that require GB will be a available.
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My two cents:
GB is worth it, is really not much work and does offer some good improvements. There are a few bugs, but nothing that is a deal breaker. And the great thing is, if you do root and go to GB and don't like it is just as easy to go back to stock. It is a two year old phone, and if you think you may upgrade anyway you might as well try it... You may like it and save some money/hassle of upgrading.
And you will still have all the apps that you downloaded/purchased from the market, and the apps that require GB will be a available.
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this is how I felt. I am due for an upgrade, so I upgraded to GB. It makes the phone so much faster. I just rooted it and am in the process of deleting verizon bloatware to free up more ram.
So My question is as simple as that:
Why you rooted your phone ?
I`m an Linux administrator so I know what root account mean back in the days i rooted my phone because my android version was 2.1 and it wasn`t the most supported android version so I needed root in order to change the rom to 2.3 however I find CM really ugly and I know Samsung software is not the best possible but for me it works great.
So why you rooted your phone ? Is there a special reason why you want to skip OTA updates, To wait on Custom Rom developers to finally make your camera work as on the stock rom and your 3G to actually work ? Is CM rom really worth all the efforts in order to root your device ?
So why you rooted your phone ?
bnight said:
So My question is as simple as that:
Why you rooted your phone ?
I`m an Linux administrator so I know what root account mean back in the days i rooted my phone because my android version was 2.1 and it wasn`t the most supported android version so I needed root in order to change the rom to 2.3 however I find CM really ugly and I know Samsung software is not the best possible but for me it works great.
So why you rooted your phone ? Is there a special reason why you want to skip OTA updates, To wait on Custom Rom developers to finally make your camera work as on the stock rom and your 3G to actually work ? Is CM rom really worth all the efforts in order to root your device ?
So why you rooted your phone ?
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1. To be freedom
2. To remove all craps that we don't want and have a complete backup/restore solution
3. To tweak the phone, make it work faster and smoother
4. Add more features that is only done by rooting devices such as Adblocks (both web & apps), underclock...
4. To use CM/AOSP sources that have much longer support than Samsung (Think about 18 months later, Will SamSung still support your devices like Apple or Microsoft?)
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So My question is as simple as that:
So why you rooted your phone ?
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Simple answer is I want to control my phone, I don't want it to be controlled by my service provide.
I get my S5 in two weeks and it will be rooted, the o2 rom replace with a generic BTU rom (not bothered about knox), all previous phones I have had have been rooted, current S3, previous S2 and xperia X10.
There is more freedom, ability to customise it your way, replace ugly stock theme with your own theme, unlock features that are locked by Samsung or the service provider, removing unnecessary bloat ware.
Added functionality in root apps such as Titanium Backup, Root Explorer and improve battery life.
Root gives you freedom to do as you like with your device.
I use root for the following: ad blocking, removing camera sounds, Titanium backup, EFS backup (in some rare cases even with stock updates EFS problems arose), move apps to external SD card, mod some UI stuff (like the S Find/Quick Connect bar) and some less important stuff. So, that is a pretty extensive list if you ask me
greenify ..
Ad blocker. And most of the time u can run a newer version of android then what the phone came with.
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jaymccoubrey said:
Ad blocker. And most of the time u can run a newer version of android then what the phone came with.
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Yes but not all the functions of your phone work that way.
Ad blocker sounds like a good idea for your data plan however I have 1 GB of data per month and unlimited after that but with lower speed and my actual data usage is like 200-300 MB per month with ads so this is not something that I really need and the apps that I use needs this ads in order to support them self.
About backup when my S4 mini LCD screen goes black I still had the ability to move my data via usb cable and Kies so when I take my S5 I spend probably 30 minutes to download back my backup from the S4 Mini and the only thing that I needed was to install my applications because of the newer android version of the S5.
However I do think that a lot of stuff is not working as it should be on custom roms.
The question should be: Why root a NEW Phone? As phones get older, manufacturer support ceases, one roots the phone to install new custom firmware.
xposed framework.
And with this new root method I don't have to worry about tripping KNOX and losing warranty.
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To wait on Custom Rom developers to finally make your camera work as on the stock rom and your 3G to actually work ? Is CM rom really worth all the efforts in order to root your device ?
So why you rooted your phone ?
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Why oh why do people always just talk about cm based rom's. I root my device to provide custom rom's comparable to cm in terms of customisation whilst keeping everything Samsung based working.
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Why oh why do people always just talk about cm based rom's.
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Because this is the most mainstream custom rom available.
As I say when I buy my phone I spend some time with his UI if I don`t like it I don`t buy the phone.
X-Note team rooted the galaxy s5 to have floating windows and note 3 features, multi dpi and a unique look
here the screenshots eh eh http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2724138
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bnight said:
Yes but not all the functions of your phone work that way.
Ad blocker sounds like a good idea for your data plan however I have 1 GB of data per month and unlimited after that but with lower speed and my actual data usage is like 200-300 MB per month with ads so this is not something that I really need and the apps that I use needs this ads in order to support them self.
About backup when my S4 mini LCD screen goes black I still had the ability to move my data via usb cable and Kies so when I take my S5 I spend probably 30 minutes to download back my backup from the S4 Mini and the only thing that I needed was to install my applications because of the newer android version of the S5.
However I do think that a lot of stuff is not working as it should be on custom roms.
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There are custom roms with everything working, to say otherwise with no experience is untrue.
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bnight said:
Because this is the most mainstream custom rom available.
As I say when I buy my phone I spend some time with his UI if I don`t like it I don`t buy the phone.
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That's my point. Maybe I should rephrase. Custom rom's aren't all source built.
As you say you spend a lot of time with its UI. This is why we made you able to change every aspect of that should you desire rather than just one or two preset themes.
All whilst keeping the Sammy S5 stuff and adding some extra cool stuff like hardware key mapping etc...
You should try it... It will give you the freedom to style your UI how you like whilst still keeping touchwiz and without breaking the stuff you mention. You don't even have to install xposed
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OP has a valid point - these days top tier smartphones are rather well-designed and tested.
I had to exchange 2 Samsung Galaxy Note 3's due to hardware failure. If I have rooted than I would have incurred a major loss due to void warranty. Now I am using an S5 and have no longer have the intention to root.
Having the privilege to exchange/take back your device is critical due to the hundreds of components in your device that could potentially malfunction.
bnight said:
So My question is as simple as that:
Why you rooted your phone ?
I`m an Linux administrator so I know what root account mean back in the days i rooted my phone because my android version was 2.1 and it wasn`t the most supported android version so I needed root in order to change the rom to 2.3 however I find CM really ugly and I know Samsung software is not the best possible but for me it works great.
So why you rooted your phone ? Is there a special reason why you want to skip OTA updates, To wait on Custom Rom developers to finally make your camera work as on the stock rom and your 3G to actually work ? Is CM rom really worth all the efforts in order to root your device ?
So why you rooted your phone ?
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To be honest, I'm a little surprised by this question considering you are a Linux admin. You should know full well the benefits root provides in terms of being able to do anything you need to configure the OS to suit your needs.
I was perfectly happy with the S5 without root, however I am very happy to now have it. It allows me to do simple, yet helpful things such as unlock the tethering features for unlimited users, changing soft key configurations, enabling writing to the SD card by 3rd party apps, and eliminating annoying pop ups such as the headphone volume notification. Among many many more things. Bottom line, as others have stated, it lets you use your phone as you please. Simply a better experience.
ROMs aren't even part of the equation when we are talking specifically about root.
mediumsteak said:
OP has a valid point - these days top tier smartphones are rather well-designed and tested.
I had to exchange 2 Samsung Galaxy Note 3's due to hardware failure. If I have rooted than I would have incurred a major loss due to void warranty. Now I am using an S5 and have no longer have the intention to root.
Having the privilege to exchange/take back your device is critical due to the hundreds of components in your device that could potentially malfunction.
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Your paying for insurance yes, no reason why the phone couldn't have been lost or stolen. Fixing your voiding warranty issue
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Goldie said:
Why oh why do people always just talk about cm based rom's. I root my device to provide custom rom's comparable to cm in terms of customisation whilst keeping everything Samsung based working.
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Because they are the most popular type of ROM
1. To restore/backup apps and their saved data when changing new phone or after factory reset. So I dont need to play the games from zero again. I use titanium backup
2. To allow/disallow which app can access internet. I use android firewall.
3. To block annoying adds from app. I use Addaway
4. To see battery statistic, checking which app causing battery drain, wakelock, wakeup. I use betterbatterystats or wakelock detector
5. To modify some xml system parameter or modify theme/look. Example: cannot write to external sd card just modify the xml.
6. Too change minimum cpu frequency or other features.
Maybe there is more. Root is very important to me.
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dragon135 said:
1. To restore/backup apps and their saved data when changing new phone or after factory reset. So I dont need to play the games from zero again. I use titanium backup
2. To allow/disallow which app can access internet. I use android firewall.
3. To block annoying adds from app. I use Addaway
4. To see battery statistic, checking which app causing battery drain, wakelock, wakeup. I use betterbatterystats or wakelock detector
5. To modify some xml system parameter or modify theme/look. Example: cannot write to external sd card just modify the xml.
6. Too change minimum cpu frequency or other features.
Maybe there is more. Root is very important to me.
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For your first point did you try to use KIES for taking backup of your phone or there was a new application in the S5 called smartswitch which I didn`t used just because i migrated from S4 Mini and used my KIES backup.
Blocking adds is good idea if you are on a limited data plan (I`m not) but this brings the other question for what exactly people use more then 1GB of mobile data ?
For me the battery life of the S5 is really good lately I put a software that drain my battery as hell but I usually keep the number of apps to minimum and even with all functions like network access and stuff turned on battery easy last a day or two so no issue there.
Changing some of the system bhaviour like writing to SD Card is actually important as for example my file manager is not working as it should be now but besides that don`t really see the reason to root your device.
I have tethering as a function on my phone but I doubt I will use it ever for more then 2-3 devices at a time and I think the current limitation is 8 devices.
Warning to everyone having a P7000 or considering buying one:
In the last OTA official update (P7000_20150914), Elephone must have found it funny to include adware!
The malware is called "com.ltp.launcherpad" and it:
- displays some ads over various apps
- add some icons to untrusted apps such as "goo weather" or "popbird" etc
- maybe more, here is a virustotal link: virustotal.com/en/file/7422d824f54365021f3cdd736e3e03bf421a5c62020d1a6b4c949790b5325ef9/analysis/1445986858
Here is also a thread of people who noticed the problem: bbs.elephone.hk/thread-8262-1-1.html
Dear elephone staff... f**k you!
Apparently it is also the case for Elephone P8000 :
my shiny new elephone p8000 come with a nice trojan, the built in ele launcher is called XLauncher_3.3.10_20150908_ForELE.apk and runs from "/custom/app_unremovable/" it is logging everything the phone does, its saving files in the root of the mobile called, go2.com.ltp.launcherpad[20151012155905].log,
its accessing known virus related websites virustotal.com/en-gb/domain/api.fotapro.com/information/, it also downloads other malwares to your mobile, i have seen various random apps appear on the desktop which also contain malware. remember this is a clean phone with the latest Elephone_P8000_20150909 direct from ele and no other apps installed.
its unremovable unless your phone is rooted (use super su from the play store, root, reset, then using ES File Explorer (enable in settings show hidden files) goto "/custom/app_unremovable/XLauncher_3.3.10_20150908_ForELE.apk" and rename it XLauncher_3.3.10_20150908_ForELE.apk.old i also did the same for the elephoneuserfeedback in the same folder and have had zero problems since, reboot your phone you may get the optermizing apps screen for a few mins, here is proof that the file does contain known malware virustotal.com/en-gb/file/7102cf355121a07a74d88a42a4808ab5d0de222173f6b919bd0cc2f5f173330f/analysis/1446000862/ this is absolutely unbelievable
PS
REMEMBER to install another launcher first before you remove the ELE one, i am using nova launcher without any problems at all.
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Elephone really thinks its clients are monkeys. This is unacceptable!
OH c'mon!!! i have been looking like crazy for this problem! i have this firmware since it came out (september) and only now i'm getting this adware situation!!! damn damn damn. it's a good phone, why doing something like this??? this is totally unacceptable.
People are tired of Elephone being dishonest and disrespectful of their customers, so they also created a petition on change.org to complain about the multiple problems of elephone's phones : change.org/p/elephone-elephone-china-recall-of-elephone-7000-lot-%CC%81s-of-deficiencies-and-problems
Elephone sould be ASHAMED!
Same to me, serious scandal. Fortunately i did not install apps from outside the play store, especially no apps in the last days, when the appearance of the crap began...
Not acceptable.
darkick said:
People are tired of Elephone being dishonest and disrespectful of their customers, so they also created a petition on change.org to complain about the multiple problems of elephone's phones : change.org/p/elephone-elephone-china-recall-of-elephone-7000-lot-%CC%81s-of-deficiencies-and-problems
Elephone sould be ASHAMED!
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Good luck but it is going to be hard to invoke any changes on a company that cares so little about it's users that it would happily release an OTA update filled with obvious malware.
The best thing that you can do is flash the phone with a custom rom or the previous build of the official rom and then start looking at a new phone. You should also spread the word on social media and forums like this so that Elephone go out of business as quickly as possible.
Even by Chinese standards Elephone are disgusting, and Chinese standards usually tend to be pretty ****ing low.
I talked to Someone on the elephone team and they told me they were aware of the problem and are about to release the next firmware (this time a clean one). The whole tbing is weird though because the adware is in the launcher so is there space to say that maybe all this was a very horrible mistake on their part?
This is like the 5th firmware release on the p7000 and on the other 4 there were no adware whatsoever :/ let's see what happens.
However, it's kinda hard to say the brand is ****, apart from this horrible firmware update, the brand has demonstrated to be an active one and the phones are pretty cool when it comes to hardware (not perfect but they are worth their price), and when it comes to software they are always active developing new firmwares which is a plus to me.
elpanda13 said:
I talked to Someone on the elephone team and they told me they were aware of the problem and are about to release the next firmware (this time a clean one). The whole tbing is weird though because the adware is in the launcher so is there space to say that maybe all this was a very horrible mistake on their part?
This is like the 5th firmware release on the p7000 and on the other 4 there were no adware whatsoever :/ let's see what happens.
However, it's kinda hard to say the brand is ****, apart from this horrible firmware update, the brand has demonstrated to be an active one and the phones are pretty cool when it comes to hardware (not perfect but they are worth their price), and when it comes to software they are always active developing new firmwares which is a plus to me.
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The problem is that their OTA updates deploy incrementally so if you are on the previous firmware, you would (currently) still need to install the bad one before you can install any fixed version unless they remove the bad firmware update from their OTA servers and I honestly don't trust them to do that.
Wow you're Right I didn't think of that :/ hope they do the right thing :/
Wow!
I never experienced this, cos since the addition of the ele launcher to thier ROM, I always delete d file at every update cos I'm rooted. But the launcher has been eliminated in the recent update 20151104
Adex2014 said:
I never experienced this, cos since the addition of the ele launcher to thier ROM, I always delete d file at every update cos I'm rooted. But the launcher has been eliminated in the recent update 20151104
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How did you upgrade the new rom without recovery map?
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Adex2014 said:
I never experienced this, cos since the addition of the ele launcher to thier ROM, I always delete d file at every update cos I'm rooted. But the launcher has been eliminated in the recent update 20151104
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After all the fuzz (there was even a change.org petition! )they sort of deactivated the ads before they made the firmware (don't know if that is possible)
Now the launcher is gone from the appstore and from the elephone firmware. Everything's alright now but that was a very bad move.
longfeng said:
How did you upgrade the new rom without recovery map?
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Didn't do anything special, just downloaded the whole new firmware and flashed with spflashtool
I have the same kind of adware in my brand new Elephone M1 (stock firmware)
Code:
[email protected]_35gu_b_l1:/ $ pm list packages com.ltp.launcherpad
package:com.ltp.launcherpad
Indeed, f*ck you, Elephone.
I bought a new screen to replace a broken one on my elephone p7000, but the lower part isn't working and the menu key and navigation keys also freezes, and will have to reboot, any solution to such, please
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