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Hello everybody
By now, most of us use some kind of apps to SD. We have some pros (LucidRem, MarcusMaximuss, Cyanogen, others) who paved the way and take gread deal of time to teach those who don't quite have a good grip on it. Everybody's mileage varies, and I think the way people run their roms has an impact on how Apps2SD will perform. Some people switch roms every so often and others stick with a rom for a while. I would like to see how Apps to SD perfrom in the long run. Hopefully it will be helpfull to developers as we may potentionally uncover some patterns here.
FYI: I am looking to get at least 100 votes on this before it can be considered helpfull to MarcusMaximuss or other devs so don't be shy
Feel free to post your individual experiences but PLEASE, DO NOT GO OFF-TOPIC!!! IF YOU NEED TO ASK A QUESTION- PLEASE DO SO IN THE RELATED THREAD. QUESTIONS WILL NOT BE ANSEWERED HERE!!!!
Thanks for looking and don't forget to show respect and donate to real pro's here... they are the one's that keep XDA going strong.
By the way..... for those of you who may wonder why there's no "I keep having force-closes and other problems with my Apps2SD" poll options: It is because once it's up and running you REALLY shouldn't have that kind of problems with it. If you do- you're rather an exception to the rule then a rule itself.
Good luck to everyone still trying to figure it out.
Have had my apps on the SD card since the instructions came out.....all via command line...no GUI. Was *never* able to get /data/data moved to SD without all sorts of problems. But just the apps worked fine.
It's been a mostly positive experience. I have about 120 apps installed at the moment. I've pretty much stopped using my laptop entirely and instead use my phone for a lot of stuff I do.
I also stepped up to the unionfs method about 3 weeks ago. It worked flawlessly for one week, then my phone seemed to perform a self-wipe.
At that time I reflashed to TDOL with built-in support for unionfs and have been using it ever since. Friday I upgraded to 1.2b.
Apps are a tad slower to launch, even on a class 6 SD. But that's a small price to pay for having the space to install so much.
One of these days I have to move the caches back over. Never did re-do that after moving apps to SD.
Well, I must say that lucid's version with the symlinks was by far the easiest to set up and use.
I had a very difficult time getting Apps to SD 2 working and find it harder to manage but it is going strong.
I am now using Apps to SD 2 on an ext3 partition and it seems ok so far.
I wish there was an easier way but if anything gets messed up with Apps to SD 2 it means format and start again
Hey guys, I have been using smart phones for a while and usually get around great without rooting. I had the HTC Dream back in the day and couldnt use it without rooting, lol. I am upgrading from the G1 which has met the end of the road for me. What are the benefits of rooting? With the Vibrant which I will finally have on Tuesday, is it necessary? And if it is HIGHLY recommended, how do I go about rooting it?
i would say root it cause its really easy takes not even 5 minutes seriously lol but i would also root it cause there is lots of bloatware on this thing so many apps that arent needed
I am not generally a rooter but this one seemed so easy (and it is) that I did it.
I didn't root the phone to dig into the files, I did it just so I could install stuff that I couldn't otherwise install. It bugged me to see a cool app and then read "YOU MUST HAVE ROOT ACCESS". That's not a problem anymore.
You certainly don't lose anything by rooting so I would say go for it.
Any other disadvantages/advantages
really there are no disadvantages accept maybe warranty but i think theres a way to unroot so no probs but once everything starts picking up there will be way more advantages than disadvantages
Besides the fact of removing awful apps (Bloatware), you can use your phone to tether. Also you can use an app called SetCPU to overclock your processor to actaully use your 1GHZ processor which speeds your phone up, along with a ton of other root apps. Youll be able to flash custom ROMS, flash themes, etc. Not sure if there is a volume hack for the vibrant yet, but that has been a reason for past rooted phones as well.
I highly recommend it...
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reasons to root
1. Use apps that require root access (such as Titanium Backup and Drocap2)
2. Remove preloaded bloatware (who needs TeleNav when Google Maps Navigation is totally free?)
3. Full access to filesystem (useful for developers and general tinkerers)
reasons not to root
1. Always involves some risk (however small) of irreversibly damaging your device
2. Could void warranty or official support
3. Makes it easier for you to accidentally mess up your system.
I only rooted my mytouch and g1 phones so i can get apps2sd, wi-tethering, and overclockcpu.
however, since the upcoming froyo update will allow most of that, i chose not to root for the time being. the phone is very fast and stable for my current needs and has an ample amount of internal memory. the only other reason to root for me would be to flash roms/themes because of my dislike for Samsung's TouchWiz.
it depends on what you ultimately want to get out of your phone.
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I only rooted my mytouch and g1 phones so i can get apps2sd, wi-tethering, and overclockcpu.
however, since the upcoming froyo update will allow most of that, i chose not to root for the time being. the phone is very fast and stable for my current needs and has an ample amount of internal memory. the only other reason to root for me would be to flash roms/themes because of my dislike for Samsung's TouchWiz.
it depends on what you ultimately want to get out of your phone.
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Same for me i had the g1 loved to root however i switched to unlocked iphone and now im back with the vibrant , the vibrant does everything i want now and the ease of the rooting might have me root if froyo is delayed by Tmobile or something.
Understood, also from reading I dont think there is a way to unroot the phone at all is it? And another ? since you all are being so helpful, is there already an app to at least see what speed your processor is running at. i know that task managers arent really needed, but some of them showed ur cpu speed as well as the load on it. is that something that anyone had an interest in and found. thanks for all of you all's help
Hmm, still debating on rooting. Waiting for my Froyo update. Plus I want to port my Harley-Davidson theme I made for my G1 to Vibrant. Hopefully they don't use those CRAMS files on Vibrant, cause that is when I had to stop themeing my G1. CRAMS was too difficult to mess with. Is the signing file method gonna be the same as G1, or is there a different testsign file? Plus I hope to see my stock file, plus a thinned down, less bloatware file, and themeing templates. So many factors to consider.
I say ROOT! I've never rooted a phone till this one. I just couldn't stand all the bloatware that was in this phone. They just had to be removed. Now all I'm waiting for are some sick ass ROMs I've seen done for other devices to hit this one. I'm sure I'll need help doing so, but this community has been fantastic when help is needed.
Plus side for me is that I also have a 3 week old New still in the box Nexus One as a backup phone in case I screw this one up.
I rooted mine because people kept saying you could tether, but none of the tethering apps actually WORK. They install fine, and Wireless-Tethering says it's working, but the access point never shows up. And Wired-Tethering says the kernel isn't compatible.
So I'd like to hear from any rooted users who actually got them working AND successfully tethered a laptop with it.
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Same for me i had the g1 loved to root however i switched to unlocked iphone and now im back with the vibrant , the vibrant does everything i want now and the ease of the rooting might have me root if froyo is delayed by Tmobile or something.
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if there's any delay on the froyo update, i'd blame it on samsung
I was hoping not to have to root the phone so soon - especially until I could reset it back and a recover like Amon's is available, but after a glorious couple of days of honeymoon, the lags are just killing the experience for me. And I don't think I have a choice now, but to root. I'll try a general reset and see if it works. I have another Vibrant that seems to be only slightly laggy. But I have to return that one and keep the problematic one :-(
Even moving icons on the desktop now takes almost 2 second. Linpack still clocks at 8.5. No problem at all playing a video - just OS operations. The camera froze for 5 minutes and I finally had to just restart the phone. Restarting the phone is not painful on this device though. Very fast.
At this time so early in Vibrant development.. it honestly doesn't really make much of a difference if you root early or root later. Just enjoy the phone for what it is as of right now until the modding community becomes settled in. Just be aware if there are any incoming OTAs if you are unrooted to make sure that the OTA didn't do anything that would change the rooting process.
- Recovery (ability to flash custom ROMs) is in the making
- Custom ROM developers -- in the makes soon
So here's the question. Should I go ahead and invest on a Vibrant (but work for it will begin when I get the Slide done) cont... about 7 hours ago via HTC Peep
If I keep getting the donations I am now, I can get the laptop along with the Vibrant, just considering the Vibrant first ...cont about 7 hours ago via HTC Peep -WesGarner
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I would personally go ahead and root it to unlock some essential applications and it takes <1 minute to do and its pretty simple. But there isn't any rush to root it now or later.. not at least CyanogenMod6 (Android 2.2) gets released for this beastly phone to have JIT.
nm found it
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Understood, also from reading I dont think there is a way to unroot the phone at all is it? And another ? since you all are being so helpful, is there already an app to at least see what speed your processor is running at. i know that task managers arent really needed, but some of them showed ur cpu speed as well as the load on it. is that something that anyone had an interest in and found. thanks for all of you all's help
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With the root method given so far, I think the only thing you have to do to unroot it is to remove Superuser Permissions. That's the only thing that the root procedure added to the phone.
I'm rooting my phone when I get it, just because to me (at least) it is a part of the true android experience. I'm just geek enough to like to play with my equipment! Hurry up T-Mobile!!!
Hello friends!
I would like to purchase Samsung Fascinate for wife. However I a little bit concerned about couple of details.
1. I know it has 2Gb memory. Is this enough these days? I mean other phones have way more, but is this really crucial? Do apps and their data installed in phone memory? What is average size of your collection?
2. I know it has Bing and I guess it sucks big time. Is this hackable? In my understanding Fascinate is not protected from rom flashing. But I have no idea how android integrates such stuff.
Overall what would you suggest - Fascinate or Incredible. Size really does matter in this case. I relly like Fascinate, but still hesitate to pull trigger.
I got my Fascinate today. I came from an Incredible. I must say....i absolutely love this device. In my opinion, it beats the Inc on all levels with the exception of Bing and widgets. I actually don't mind TouchWiz either. The speed and screen on this phone is awesome. 2Gb is enough, and when Froyo is available you can install all the apps to your SD card and it really won't be an issue at that point. This phone will be easily 'hackable' and you will definitely be able to install custom roms and remove Bing in the near future.
My suggestion would be to absolutely get the Fascinate over the Incredible.
2gb is more than enough. Nobody really every struggled with older Android phones that came with only 512mb of memory. In 2.1 and below, only a certain amount of data needs to be installed on the phone and the rest can be installed on the SD card. It was never really much of a issue with Android since the beginning.
Had the incredible and droid x and I love this phone more than both already...
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Thanks for response, guys!
How about GPS? Do you have any problems with this?
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Thanks for response, guys!
How about GPS? Do you have any problems with this?
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It's a hit or miss with people. I just configured 8 Fascinates the same and 6 hooked up to the GPS quickly and two would not.
My personal one they gave me to help them had issues until I rebooted.
I have no use for another Phone I have too many. Now if ONLY SIM was a standard on all phones right now I would be one happy camper. I would have a different phone for each day of the week
Well peeps...
I am quite unhappy with the Xperia Play...
let me explain..
The xperia x10i was my first Android smart phone & it brought me a lot of joy simply bcos it was an amazing phone, especially after jumping from the Symbian pary.
the first few months were really great, but then the SE antics began..
Really ruined the party for me with super slo-mo update releases and stuff.
Being a fan of the PlayStation series, i really wanted to get my hands on the Xperia Play hoping that the problems with SE are sorted what with bootloaders unlocked & on time updates etc etc.
BUT, the phone itself fails to deliver...
at least am not satisfied with its performance.
i picked up the play & the incredible on the same day... handed the play to the wife so she too can jump on the android bandwagon...
the phone is super sluggish, keeps hanging, apps freeze ending with the phone having no solution but a restart.
i have reinstalled the firmware at least 3 times using repair option AND fresh installs.. also had one update from sony...
the problems just don't go
i was really hopeful of a better phone matching the specs on paper with regular updates...
thoroughly disappointed with the Play & SE...
just wanted to check if am the only user with these concerns & frustrations or am part of a larger 'never SE again' group
You may have a cheap SD card. Mine runs great. I picked up a 16gb card and move all the games and apps to the card through Apps2SD app.
If you have a different brand of SD card to try then try that.
lol.. so the problem could be that Sony gives off crappy memory cards with their devices?
Am currently using the standard box 8gb MMC...
To add, there isn't much of on the card or phone anyways.
Stock apps such as messaging and dialer freeze up...
I have the U.S. version that runs stock Gingerbread and the phone flies...you probably have a bad phone...I'd bring it back or send it back and get a replacement (or as has been suggested), try a new SD card.
My guess is a lot of the instability is due to the sony launcher. You could try something like launcher pro or adw launcher and see how that goes. My Xplay runs smooth, with no crashes or hangs. I don't know if it's because I installed a generic firmware (ie no carrier bloat), or because of the alternate launcher I use.
I had problems with my first play but it wasn't the same problem. After running intensive games the wireless, bluetooth, dual pad and power buttons stops workjng. I have to remove the battery to have it all working again. Rogers replaced my phone yesterday and I am 100percent satisfy with it. It is using the stock memory card. You should try rooting the phone and freezing all the bloatware that is causing all the unnecessary slow downs.
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hmm.. the launcher seems to be a valid point.
Swapping the IS memory card with the play's and check if there is a difference on either phone should be good to see..
Haven't had that problem either
Mine is pretty smooth, except for a few rare spots in some games.
Way better than my old OC'd 1.1Ghz Droid running Gingerbread.
Mine was working fine, but started to have problems as i installed a lot of apps. Many of them don't let you move them to the SD.
Now I'm having a problem with the texting/messaging app locking up every time i send one. If i clear off some apps it runs okay. But then I'm forced to get rid of apps I use on a daily basis. This lack of phone storage seems to be the cause of many of the Xperia play's problems.
I might give that app2sd a try, but doesn't that require a rooted phone? I also saw a post here somewhere about moving apps to the sd without root. Might give that a try...
Why the heck did they only put 512MB on the phone? Memory is relatively cheap right now. I don't get it...
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Mine was working fine, but started to have problems as i installed a lot of apps. Many of them don't let you move them to the SD.
Now I'm having a problem with the texting/messaging app locking up every time i send one. If i clear off some apps it runs okay. But then I'm forced to get rid of apps I use on a daily basis. This lack of phone storage seems to be the cause of many of the Xperia play's problems.
I might give that app2sd a try, but doesn't that require a rooted phone? I also saw a post here somewhere about moving apps to the sd without root. Might give that a try...
Why the heck did they only put 512MB on the phone? Memory is relatively cheap right now. I don't get it...
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I downloaded Apps2SD and it works great for Apps that allow you to move them to the SD card. I think root is required to move apps that aren't suppose to allow you to move them
Apps2SD also alerts/prompts you when an app is movable. So say you install a new app it will tell you right away.
The only thing im disappointed about with the phone, apart from the internal storage as
already mentioned, is the lack of development on xda.
I didnt think this would be an issue lol but I previously owned a hd2 and found this great
Site when I first bought that. So I have only used the hd2 forum until now and was used to
alot more development. So maybe I was a little naive.
Im not moaning as I know the devs are great ppl who cook us some great free gear just gutted
and hoping the play hasnt been forgotten about already as I think this phone could be really
spectacular with a decent custom rom
letmedanz said:
the phone is super sluggish, keeps hanging, apps freeze ending with the phone having no solution but a restart.
i have reinstalled the firmware at least 3 times using repair option AND fresh installs.. also had one update from sony...
the problems just don't go
i was really hopeful of a better phone matching the specs on paper with regular updates...
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Just picked up my xplay today and your experience is exactly opposite mine. It's just as spiffy and snappy as the Incredible it's replacing.
Since the xperia arc, neo and play are quite similar it is a waste of dev power to develop for those three at the same time. That would cost precious devving time so to speak. Development is now mainly done on the xperia arc, the flagship of SE's current xperia line and if it's working on the arc it'll be ported to the play and the neo. One could see this with rooting or stuff like flashtool.
In the arc section they're busy working on recovrey modes and costum roms are nearly fully functional I believe (not sure) that should be easely ported to the play. If you want to keep track of the developers development you could try to follow this board: http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=965
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lol.. so the problem could be that Sony gives off crappy memory cards with their devices?
Am currently using the standard box 8gb MMC...
To add, there isn't much of on the card or phone anyways.
Stock apps such as messaging and dialer freeze up...
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My SD card came from my Service provider and not Sony.
I agree some of the previous comments, a lot of the lag seems to appear after the internal memory has been used up. Disappointing but there are things you can do as have been previously mentioned.
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Very interesting. Most people seem to be having not too many worries with the phone.
But i have now had the phone for over 3 months i guess, so the issues may show.
hope not for you guys..!
and hope mine gets better
What is the latest version of Android that I can run on my Samsung Continuum assuming I am successful in rooting it?
Also I have seen _many_ tutorials about rooting the Continuum. The problem is most of them are 2 years old. Is there a place to go to find the most recent, simplest, safest, way to root it?
TIA
chuckh1958 said:
What is the latest version of Android that I can run on my Samsung Continuum assuming I am successful in rooting it?
Also I have seen _many_ tutorials about rooting the Continuum. The problem is most of them are 2 years old. Is there a place to go to find the most recent, simplest, safest, way to root it?
TIA
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Use super one click. It will do the trick. The best way to understand all the different mods and ROMs is to read the threads and then re-read until you feel like you understand the process. I did that and was ok. I also played around with some of the different flashing techniques because those are super valuable. One recommendation that was made to me was to root and get used to the flashing and mods in EC09. I recommend taking that advice, EC09 is more forgiving, EG04 is touchier and will softbrick or bootloop more often if mods are not flashed properly. Read-Learn-Try-Repeat. When you feel ready GB (EG04) is the lastest. Go to the New Rom Ginger thread and do the config found in the thread and then follow the instructions in the OP. I used Hjsplit to combine the files and Odin to flash. If you need help typically someone is around every day or two. Oh yeah and BACKUP BACKUP BACKUP. If you don't back up a lot of times you will have to reflash a usable ROM through Odin and then rebuild.
Do you think it's worth rooting if the latest OS I can get is GB? I mean that's something like 2 years old and IIRC had a lot of problems. From what my colleagues have told me, the first completely reliable version is JB. They all have newer devices, upgraded, and said all of their problems went away with JB.
If I do root and upgrade to GB, will I lose anything? For example purchased apps? Will the play store still think I have an unrooted SCH-I400 with Froyo and still tell me that an app is incompatible even though it really is?
It's up to you and whether you think it's worth the root and the trouble. Flashing comes with risks and you have to assume that risk for yourself and your phone.
Everyone here has been helpful when issues arise but it's up to the individual what they ultimately decide to do or not do to their phone.
As to what happens to apps, I'm not sure I only run free apps and did not mind re-downloading a few of them. I did not have to reactivate my phone nor did I remember losing anything I thought critical, of course that is where backing up the phone comes into play. I use Titanium backup, sms backup, the standard google contacts sync and cwm, each for different reasons.
As to whether it will recognize GB I don't know I have not noticed anything one way or the other. Really I didn't notice much other than being able to use the GB mods on this forum. But I am still learning basic theming and mod development.
Thanks for your replies. In my opinion its not worth the risk if the best I can do is get to a 2 year old operating system thats already obsolete. I think I need to find a device that's not so limited. Given the problems I've had with it and lack of updates, it won't be another Samsung. I'm thinking perhaps a Motorola Droid. My past smartphone experiences with Motorola products has been very positive. Its been just the opposite with multiple Samsung devices.
NP, this phone is definitely hard to work with sometimes. Great for someone like me who wants to learn development, full of challenges. Good luck to ya.
Any thoughts on the Droid Razr? It's free from Verizon, has LTE, and now comes with Jelly Bean.
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Thanks for your replies. In my opinion its not worth the risk if the best I can do is get to a 2 year old operating system thats already obsolete. I think I need to find a device that's not so limited. Given the problems I've had with it and lack of updates, it won't be another Samsung. I'm thinking perhaps a Motorola Droid. My past smartphone experiences with Motorola products has been very positive. Its been just the opposite with multiple Samsung devices.
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thats of oct '12
ram maybe the real hurdle so ics/jb maynot be in the continuums future at all, like u said u may need a better device for what u do, i have been patching sources from froyo sources (i400 drivers) to gb i500 sources at a shot at aosp, cm7.2 maybe still ahead.
Imo, don't go with anything motorola if you want to be rooting and ROMing. They always tend to have locked bootloaders. Don't let the continuum sour your impression of samsung. This is a rather old phone. Just make sure to get a device that is well supported here at XDA and make sure it's a rather high end handset and you should be all good.
Its not just the continuum. I had a Windows smartphone a few years ago from Samsung and it was junk. It wouldn't even remember my BT pairings for more than 2 weeks before I'd have to start pairing things again.
If I get a phone where they regularly upgrade it to a recent OS I wouldn't even be considering rooting, so a locked bootloader isn't a big concern.
I also don't want to spend a lot of money on the phone so a high-end handset (i.e GS3) is out of the question. I cant help it but I'm a cheapskate. The original razr is being offered free by Verizon.
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Its not just the continuum. I had a Windows smartphone a few years ago from Samsung and it was junk. It wouldn't even remember my BT pairings for more than 2 weeks before I'd have to start pairing things again.
If I get a phone where they regularly upgrade it to a recent OS I wouldn't even be considering rooting, so a locked bootloader isn't a big concern.
I also don't want to spend a lot of money on the phone so a high-end handset (i.e GS3) is out of the question. I cant help it but I'm a cheapskate. The original razr is being offered free by Verizon.
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The Omnia was great minus the touch screen. I'm not sure if that is what you had but it was what I came from. Compared to other smart phones for the money the Omnia wasn't too bad. Same with the Continuum, I got it for free 2 years ago. Was worth it then and this forum really helps keep it interesting.
My two cents:
GB is worth it, is really not much work and does offer some good improvements. There are a few bugs, but nothing that is a deal breaker. And the great thing is, if you do root and go to GB and don't like it is just as easy to go back to stock. It is a two year old phone, and if you think you may upgrade anyway you might as well try it... You may like it and save some money/hassle of upgrading.
And you will still have all the apps that you downloaded/purchased from the market, and the apps that require GB will be a available.
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My two cents:
GB is worth it, is really not much work and does offer some good improvements. There are a few bugs, but nothing that is a deal breaker. And the great thing is, if you do root and go to GB and don't like it is just as easy to go back to stock. It is a two year old phone, and if you think you may upgrade anyway you might as well try it... You may like it and save some money/hassle of upgrading.
And you will still have all the apps that you downloaded/purchased from the market, and the apps that require GB will be a available.
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this is how I felt. I am due for an upgrade, so I upgraded to GB. It makes the phone so much faster. I just rooted it and am in the process of deleting verizon bloatware to free up more ram.