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[Q] Pro's/Con's of ROM/Root < Newbie!

Hi Guys.
I have recentally swapped from my iPhone 4 to the Nexus 4. After Jail Breaking my iPhone and it messing it up bigtime, I always said I would not make any chnages to phone since.
Now I have my Nexus 4 I am ever so tempted to Root and ROM this phone due to increasing the battery life.
I am juts worried this will cause the same effect as Jail breaking e.g. Random turning off, and in General just a novelty and for bragging rights with no real purpose.
Questions -
1. Rom/Roots void warrenty are you able to undo this so if my phone breaks I would be able to get a replacment under warrenty?
2. As I only use my phone for normal use e.g. Internet, Facebook would their be any advantages getting it appart from battery (as it is currently poor)
3. I was tyhinking of getting ParanoidAndraid, how would this make my phone experiance better?
Cheers!

hellohappy22 said:
Hi Guys.
I have recentally swapped from my iPhone 4 to the Nexus 4. After Jail Breaking my iPhone and it messing it up bigtime, I always said I would not make any chnages to phone since.
Now I have my Nexus 4 I am ever so tempted to Root and ROM this phone due to increasing the battery life.
I am juts worried this will cause the same effect as Jail breaking e.g. Random turning off, and in General just a novelty and for bragging rights with no real purpose.
Questions -
1. Rom/Roots void warrenty are you able to undo this so if my phone breaks I would be able to get a replacment under warrenty?
2. As I only use my phone for normal use e.g. Internet, Facebook would their be any advantages getting it appart from battery (as it is currently poor)
3. I was tyhinking of getting ParanoidAndraid, how would this make my phone experiance better?
Cheers!
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first of all you posted it in the wrong thread. hehe.
1. you can undo this by removing root and relocking your bootloader. (I thing flashing a unmodified/original stock ROM will do the trick.)
2. Facebook app is a battery eater. Its better to use the web version. keep your brightness at the lowest if possible. turn off your data connection if you're not using it. other than that... that's the only thing I can suggest. download Juice Defender maybe?
3. There's a lot of customization that only ParanoidAndroid offers which the Stock ROM doesn't.

Android is already jailbroken, you can sideload apps simply by enabling a setting. Be aware, by doing this you open yourself up to Malware and all sorts of other potential nasties, unless you TOTALLY trust the source of the file you are installing. This is of course no different to iphone, where Cydia also has malicious content hosted on it (the press of course never talk about that problem).
Firstly, to do anything, you will need to unlock the bootloader, this will wipe the device, so it's best to do this before you load stuff on. From that point on, you can root the device, or load custom ROMS
I wouldn't personally bother with custom roms. None of them will ever be as stable as the official releases, and because it's a Nexus, none of them really offer any real advantages (most claim all sorts of unsubstantiated claims however, but ask the question - if it's so good, why aren't Google already doing these things....)

ijustzeke said:
first of all you posted it in the wrong thread. hehe.
1. you can undo this by removing root and relocking your bootloader. (I thing flashing a unmodified/original stock ROM will do the trick.)
2. Facebook app is a battery eater. Its better to use the web version. keep your brightness at the lowest if possible. turn off your data connection if you're not using it. other than that... that's the only thing I can suggest. download Juice Defender maybe?
3. There's a lot of customization that only ParanoidAndroid offers which the Stock ROM doesn't.
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Wow! Cheers! I only have 250mb on my contract so have to be so careful, dose it really use more on the app rather than online? Also is it the same with twitter?

CrazyPeter said:
Android is already jailbroken, you can sideload apps simply by enabling a setting. Be aware, by doing this you open yourself up to Malware and all sorts of other potential nasties, unless you TOTALLY trust the source of the file you are installing. This is of course no different to iphone, where Cydia also has malicious content hosted on it (the press of course never talk about that problem).
Firstly, to do anything, you will need to unlock the bootloader, this will wipe the device, so it's best to do this before you load stuff on. From that point on, you can root the device, or load custom ROMS
I wouldn't personally bother with custom roms. None of them will ever be as stable as the official releases, and because it's a Nexus, none of them really offer any real advantages (most claim all sorts of unsubstantiated claims however, but ask the question - if it's so good, why aren't Google already doing these things....)
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Okay, if its not worth loading ROM's sound I unlock the bootloader though? or if you dont load ROMs is there no point?
Just waiting for my Case to come now so I am able to take it outside!

Went back to unrooted.

I originally rooted to install google wallet. but I had so many problems with actually installing it that I just gave up and unrooted my phone. I tried out a few roms but until they get to 4.2 android (jelly beans/jedi) I think I'm going to take a breather from ROM bugs.

Right in time to stop me from rooting,I was hesitant all along after bricking my Note One by constantly playing with Custom Roms and Kernels,thats over six months ago,but looks like It has started itching me to repeat the process once again with my Note II, although,so far, I havent felt the need tbviously will pass on it for the time beeing.

And the point of this... Maybe I'll tell everyone I've turned the s note pop-up when removing the s-pen off. You know because I don't use it.

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And the point of this... Maybe I'll tell everyone I've turned the s note pop-up when removing the s-pen off. You know because I don't use it.
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Will never go back to unrooted..its just feels like stuck in a cage..and well replied the above user!..If you know what you are doing..rooting opens up unlimited possibilities!

Not sure how anyone has issues rooting with the fantastic tools available....I suggest you go download Samsung_Galaxy_Note2_ToolKit and use that. Seriously it doesn't get easier than that. I bought my Note 2 and within the first few hours I was rooted, just for the sake of being rooted.

If you choose custom roms with respected developers, you can rely on them. If thousands use the rom, possible bugs will be posted on its forum, and the rom will be updated. There are often bugs in official roms but you have to wait months for the fix there! Custom roms open a new world for you.

If you choose the right ROM, you won't have any problems. And several of them don't have any problems. If you want to be sure that it's as stable as possible, choose a Samsung based ROM and stock kernel. But more complex ROMs are mostly completely stable. I am on ESA NOTE with the abyss kernel and I don't have any problems at all. But I have tried others like Omega and ARHD with the same results.

It was more or less having problems getting google wallet to work. I do know a lot about rooting I've been doing it since the moto droid. I just could not get wallet to work consistently. And the rom bugs alot of times developers know about them but they take away a few things I like or the usefulness is gone because there is a slight issue due to porting. To say that there is a rom out there that doesn't have at least one major issue after its made would be to bury your head in the sand. I've tried a lot of the major more popular rooms and granted some features were really cool other things made me get rid of it.
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Root is not only to play with rom. I'm on stock rom, and rooted it in order to use Titanium Backup, AdWay and Android Firewall. The note II is my first Android phone for wich i dont feel the need to use a custom rom.

I always root, even if If I say on the stock ROM. Never had any issues.
If your device became unstable its down to the app or ROM you are trying to use not the fact that you have the ability to grant select apps root access

Rooting your device means allowing the administrative access to your device, not to install some damn ROMs. I'll always be on Stock ROM and will always be rooted.
OP's statement is moot.
'Swyped' from my GT-N7100

I use root for certain apps not for custom roms. Always stock for me
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The only reason why I unrooted my phone and stopped using custom roms is that I hate losing my apps data (for example, games progress) every time I try or upgrade to a new custom rom. Titanium backup is nice but it doesn't work perfectly like how iphone backup works....
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Rooting does not equate installing custom roms. I'm running stock 4.1.1 and rooted. The advantages are endless, freezing and backing up apps, using network apps such as dsploit, assigning endless amount of specific led colors for certain notifications/apps; the list is endless.

I've taken a break from custom roms since Sammy did an amazing job with stock, but I'll always be rooted. There's just too much to lose without root.
- ad blocking
- directory bind
- titanium backup
- freezing system apps
- spen gesture control app
- mobile Odin
- file managers with root access
Take away any one of those root-enabled feature and I would be really sad.
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Is rooting the S5 recommended this early on?

Samsung is a new device. Running 4.4.2 KikKat and having the best mobile processor in the market meaning that most (if not all) of you will exploit this bad boy in many different ways. The most popular way is obviously gonna be rooting.
Now, im fairly new to rooting. (Having only rooted my v2.1 Galaxy S Vibrant) Meaning I have no idea (or experience for that matter) in rooting new phones.
Most of you know that Sammy implanted new Knox security, and rooting an S5 early on will void it's warranty.
My question is: Is it recommended to root an S5? Aside from the cancelation of the warranty will the phone suffer any other consequences? And lastly, are there any actual mods that will make rooting an S5 beneficial? Or are all the mods just aesthetical?

Difficult question to answer imho. I'm no leet phone user or maybe not the best person to ask, but I rooted because of droidwall, xposed network and xprivacy (basically because I want a access to iptables and decide which items can use which data, etc. I also like to customise and freeze unwanted stuff in titanium backup. But if the positive side supersedes the negative side I don't know. Must be up to you to decide. If you are into to protect your own privacy policy root is must. Cheers
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Im also not leet phone user or anything but to answer your question about if there is any useful mods...
well firstly if you're rooted you can remove all of the bloatware... this will typically extends your phone battery by 15 - 40% depending on how you use it... but for sure its 15% better (samsung is known for putting a lot of bloatware and some of them runs in the background and you cant turn them off -> the only way is to freeze or delete them)... secondly is that if you have some specific things you want on your phone, rooting and flashing mods/roms will help you achieve them, for example: I like to have my "sound+vibration/vibration" options on the notification but stockrom has "sound/vibration/mute", and so far that I've noticed the "sound" option doesn't force vibration so if you just restarted the phone and put on the "sound" option it won't vibrate until you go to settings and set it to do so... so without rooting I won't ever be able to mod the notification toggles to do what I want.... there will also be mods that makes your phone more responsive (faster)... the lists of things you can do with root is just too much to be listed lol...
now to answer your main question "Is rooting the S5 recommended this early on?", now this is all my opinion so take it with a bit of salt... I would say no...
there isn't much of roms around (not much of choices atm, you can check like s2/s3/s4 to get an idea of how much of choices you can expect once the device has been out for 6 months+), so if you root right now, you pretty much have to do all of the modding by yourself and etc... so why root and lose warranty? just play it cool and wait for a better time XD the decision that you wait 1 - 6 months before root might saves your phone ass, if something happens... and I seriously doubt you gona gain that much if you root now... unless you're uber modder/rom cooker
Don't get me wrong though, I personally recommend every android user to root lol... Android without root is like iPhone... what is the point of the ability to pretty much modify everything but you dont use it? (dont get mad now iphone fans... Im on android just coz of the customization, not of brand or specs)

home & business daily use - best stable/released custom rom?

good morning, I'm Francesco from Italy and I'm new tot his forum. my Samsung I9505 warranty expired a few days ago and now I'd like to install a custom rom to exploit better its potential. at this moment what is in your opinion the best custom xda rom for my mobile? mine is a daily use for home (mainly) and business, so I need a mod that keeps the mobile stable, safe and fully working (4G, wi-fi, bluetooth, car audio integration, etc.). if needed I can provide more info about the device, it's my first time on this forum and I don't know well what/how to ask. thanx so much.

Stability is really depends more on your device and usage than on the ROM.
From my time here, in the S4 forums, I have learned that each device is unique in its own way and behaves differently.
In other words, what works for other might not work for you and vice versa.
You should know that pretty much all Android 6 ROMs have Bluetooth problems. The only one with working Bluetooth might be Dirty Unicorns, but you will have to see for yourself.
Otherwise you will have to stay on Android 5.1 ROMs.
There are no Android 5 ROMs that are still being updated, except for TouchWiz ROMs.
So, that being said, for Android 5 I would recommend the GPE ROM. There are two. One is untouched and the other is slightly modified. I only ever used the slightly modified one and it always worked great for my needs.

good morning.
thank you very much, that's exactly what I needed to know. the modified one is JFLTE-GPE by Danvdh
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just another question: to flash a new rom must I unlock the bootloader first? if yes, better Fastboot or Odin?

frac82 said:
good morning.
thank you very much, that's exactly what I needed to know. the modified one is JFLTE-GPE by Danvdh
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just another question: to flash a new rom must I unlock the bootloader first? if yes, better Fastboot or Odin?
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Yes, that's the modified one.
Only Verizon and AT&T have locked bootloaders.
If your model is anything other than the above mentioned companies, then it doesn't have a locked bootloader.
So you just flash recovery and flash the ROM.
Or root first if you need to backup your apps.
TWRP recovery is recommended. But be warned, it seems to have a problem with TouchWiz ROM backups.
If you backup your stock ROM, and restore at some point, you will get lots of errors.

after erasing and reinstalling which app for camera/address book/sms did you start to use? is there a "pack", an "all-in one-" set nor do I have to choose and install one by one at my taste...?!?

You say you use the device for work?
Does that involve connecting it to a secure business server?
If it does, then most business servers will be able to detect modifications on a device and will not allow connection of said modified device.

My S4 is a dual boot using the Dual Boot Patcher tool. I have a virtually empty TW ROM as my primary, and CM13 with 100+ apps as my secondary, this is what I use day to day. Why? Two reasons:
a. Daily, I prefer to use clean Android. I love Samsung devices, but I much prefer a Nexus style experience.
b. Rarely, I need to use the amazing S4 camera, and for that, the free camera apps just won't do. I've started using 'A Better Camera' but this is paid and it's not perfect by a long shot.
Having a dual boot also gives me some flexibility with things such as battery life etc. I expect my day to day ROM to use more, what with all the apps, whereas if I switch to my clean ROM, it will last an incredibly long time, especially when it's in my pocket.
For me, CM13 and AOSP are stable enough to use day to day and really, the only thing holding them back is the fact you can't load the TW camera. Nobody's fault I guess.

keithross39 said:
You say you use the device for work?
Does that involve connecting it to a secure business server?
If it does, then most business servers will be able to detect modifications on a device and will not allow connection of said modified device.
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I sometimes read business e-mails via Lotus/Outlook app, that's all; let's hope this won't start the firewall!
skezza said:
My S4 is a dual boot using the Dual Boot Patcher tool. I have a virtually empty TW ROM as my primary, and CM13 with 100+ apps as my secondary, this is what I use day to day. Why? Two reasons:
a. Daily, I prefer to use clean Android. I love Samsung devices, but I much prefer a Nexus style experience.
b. Rarely, I need to use the amazing S4 camera, and for that, the free camera apps just won't do. I've started using 'A Better Camera' but this is paid and it's not perfect by a long shot.
Having a dual boot also gives me some flexibility with things such as battery life etc. I expect my day to day ROM to use more, what with all the apps, whereas if I switch to my clean ROM, it will last an incredibly long time, especially when it's in my pocket.
For me, CM13 and AOSP are stable enough to use day to day and really, the only thing holding them back is the fact you can't load the TW camera. Nobody's fault I guess.
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too complicated... one droid is enough for me... :angel:

Hi everyone am new here is, there a touch wiz androind 6+ rom for our s3?
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HIS YB said:
Hi everyone am new here is, there a touch wiz androind 6+ rom for our s3?
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These are the S4 forums.
The S3 forums can be found here

frac82 said:
after erasing and reinstalling which app for camera/address book/sms did you start to use? is there a "pack", an "all-in one-" set nor do I have to choose and install one by one at my taste...?!?
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just to share: the answer to this question of mine is Kushan Rom v.9.0.

Worth rooting

is it worth rooting S8 SM-G950F?
my warranty is going to start in october.

i'd say no. what do you want with root? the most i need from root is ad-blocking which is provided by knox so i dont really benefit from root anymore

If you have to ask that, then root is not for you.

I rooted, but had issues, got into bootloop first time i restarted phone after rooting, went back to stock and just removed the bloatware with adb, much happier now.
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I've had three 955F and one 950F, two of them not rooted and two rooted, if you are thinking to sell the phone soon, I will say it notes worth it. But if you are planning to stay on the phone until some maybe better device come out like me, I will say root totally worth the price.
I can even imagine to use my daily driver phone without changing kernel or moving to my favourite custom rom.

I would only root for custom ROMs, to get stock rom but as it stands no stock rom so root not worth it for me. Also I don't keep my phone's for long and rooted phones are difficult to sell since you lose warranty.

the best firewalls require root
removing system apps requires root
you can customize your interface after rooting
can modify sound, camera, temporary screen aspect ratio, etc., after rooting
you control your phone after rooting with the exception of bootloader, which is a different matter
ad-blocking can be much better after rooting
unlimited tethering after rooting
the question is rather: why would you not root? warranty is a scare tactic, you could always Odin flash a specific, official carrier ROM to virginize--just download at sammobile.com/firmwares

Thanks
All of you. I think, I'm gonna keep my phone stock.

little things that add up
LOL, I've been pulling my hair out because it's much harder to root the US Snapdragon S8+ than it is the Exynos variants! Every iPhone I had was jailbroken and every Android afterward (lost count) was rooted except the aforementioned; honestly, I can't stand not having a rooted phone. For example, I like the iptables firewall Android Firewall because I can totally lock down every internet aspect/app of the system (e.g., kernel, Samsung, Google, etc.) and control input chains. I also use HDMI out but cannot change aspect ratio to 16:9 for 4k UHDTV without root; Samsung Smartview allows change to 16:9 wirelessly via Miracast, but that's only at 1080p. It's the little things you can't do without root that add up; but, if you aren't used to rooting advantages, you won't know what you're missing.

i dont see real purpose rooting on recent hi end devices. more to lose instead. unless u r incline into software piracy/cracks.

just do a search in Google Play for the word: root
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i dont see real purpose rooting on recent hi end devices. more to lose instead. unless u r incline into software piracy/cracks.
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My last device was a rooted Galaxy Note 5 on Nougat firmware with TWRP recovery. I never knew if Samsung Pay still worked or not, because I never use the app. All the rest of my apps worked fine. I still have the Note 5 collecting dust, but I suppose it could be a good thing to have in case I ever lose my US Snapdragon S8+. I mainly use Linux for a PC OS. Being the administrator user for my PC running Linux is analagous to having a rooted Android phone; it would be unacceptable to me to not be able to gain root access on my Linux OS--as if I were some child restricted by parents or non-administrator on a Linux office PC. You own the phone, so don't let some carrier tell you you don't, basically. I don't even know why someone would have a XDA account if they don't root?
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My one suggestion for people debating whether to root or not: just do a search in Google Play for the word root. Take a look at all the apps that can be installed by anyone (i.e., no root needed to install, just root needed to either successfully use or to fully use), and ask yourself if any of them look useful.

I root my S8 G950 /AQG5. Why? Now my device is free to change everything i want. Customizing and better battery. And now with Renovate ice ROM. Everything is great. I want to be free. My phone wants to be free ? i love it. And about warranty. Hmm. I dont give a F....... all my Android phones are rooted. You can fix your phone always with the developers on XDA✌

Haven't rooted my S8 yet, not worth it at the moment....
I used to root for:
- Adblocker
- Removing System apps
- Backup/restore (titanium backup, twrp)
But with package disabler, adhell and not tinkering also the need for backups has declined. Also, there is more storage on the S8 (with the S7 and older I could also use the free space).
Would still like to root and use some custom roms, but at the moment I don't want to loose warranty over it. Also wrt possible resell value and all that

Personally I dont want to root my s8, I have rooted my s3, s5 ,s7edge because touchwiz was just bad and I want to use just aosp but now s8 software is just great and so much better than before with nougat and unique features like samsung pass , secure folder and etc are so great and only work fine without rooting as Knox since s7 is so secure and root is permanent. on s7 I was able to use s8 ported roms as I love s8 software but now with my s8 I have all I want and for now no rooting is planned . First time I am satisfied on my phone without any rooting, and I have rooted all my previous devices including tabs and tested every mods and roms for them but now I think on s8 I can't have anything better that stock

robhug said:
Personally I dont want to root my s8, I have rooted my s3, s5 ,s7edge because touchwiz was just bad and I want to use just aosp but now s8 software is just great and so much better than before with nougat and unique features like samsung pass , secure folder and etc are so great and only work fine without rooting as Knox since s7 is so secure and root is permanent. on s7 I was able to use s8 ported roms as I love s8 software but now with my s8 I have all I want and for now no rooting is planned . First time I am satisfied on my phone without any rooting, and I have rooted all my previous devices including tabs and tested every mods and roms for them but now I think on s8 I can't have anything better that stock
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Good to see you over here :good:

I may totally be wrong as I didn't log any performance on paper. But since I've rooted and removed like more than 30 bloatwares included with stock rom. My batttery life improved a lot.
I went from 90k in Antutu to 16X XXX
I also removed one of the feature I thought I'll like, The small overlay bar you have at the right of the screen. It was totally useless, since when you drag something from this edge, then ALL the screen is covered even if the usefull part is only 20% of the area..
This improved my battery too

I'm itching to root my s8 plus as I've rooted every device apart from the Xperia xz premium
Apart from Samsung pay what else does tripping knox break?
That's what is holding me back not having a full list of what it breaks
Thanks

until an AOSP rom not based on samsung I won't root.
Right now the main benefit could be only:
- viper sound ( but I don't listen so much with in-ear )
- some tasker stuff ( which I don't know yet)
- double tap home to instant sleep phone
- bixby remapped without adb command
on the other side I lose phone warranty ( which I don't give a damn) and encryption which is a very good thing for me...
Because all the other stuff are well done with standard samsung interface, lawnchair home screen/launcher and package disabler...
And don't get me wrong, previous phone were ALL rooted and changed many many roms, at Incredible S times it was one every 10 days...
brockyneo said:
I'm itching to root my s8 plus as I've rooted every device apart from the Xperia xz premium
Apart from Samsung pay what else does tripping knox break?
That's what is holding me back not having a full list of what it breaks
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Tripping knox is not a problem, as can be masked, I am more concerned as rooted secure vault can be cracked...
btw I think that tripped knox means that you cannot use anything of samsung knox...

bob8x said:
until an AOSP rom not based on samsung I won't root.
Right now the main benefit could be only:
- viper sound ( but I don't listen so much with in-ear )
- some tasker stuff ( which I don't know yet)
- double tap home to instant sleep phone
- bixby remapped without adb command
on the other side I lose phone warranty ( which I don't give a damn) and encryption which is a very good thing for me...
Because all the other stuff are well done with standard samsung interface, lawnchair home screen/launcher and package disabler...
And don't get me wrong, previous phone were ALL rooted and changed many many roms, at Incredible S times it was one every 10 days...
Tripping knox is not a problem, as can be masked, I am more concerned as rooted secure vault can be cracked...
btw I think that tripped knox means that you cannot use anything of samsung knox...
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I'm not too worried about Samsung pay ECT just don't want to brake any apps that might interfier with the use of the phone like retina scanner or image quality (like in the Xperia devices)
And what's the benefits of masking tripping knox?
Thanks

brockyneo said:
I'm not too worried about Samsung pay ECT just don't want to brake any apps that might interfier with the use of the phone like retina scanner or image quality (like in the Xperia devices)
And what's the benefits of masking tripping knox?
Thanks
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For start not all kernel/roms support masking knox..
The benefit is that you can use knox, that otherwise is un-usable...