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The Feature Request Thread

In an effort to help cut our clutter down, this thread should be used for all general feature requests.
First request:
Use the other forums for non-develop related posts.
Second request:
Aosp ported to the eris.

jcase said:
...First request:
Use the other forums for non-develop related posts...
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^^ This ^^
A proper tutorial for changing splash1 - DONE
A proper tutorial for boot animations -- including all the ins and outs of image creation/format, programs that are used, and a more complete description of desc.text and how to use it.
I'm all for helping out on those as well pm if anyone would like to exchange info before creating a nicely formatted thread based how to. I'll prolly drop in to chat at some point when I get time too.
PS: I think we should start putting our how-to threads in the general section to avoid people posting randomness in the development section. Since at that point we should be doing minimal development anyway and development related conversation could still take place in the proper forum. Also this could be put in the general forum once people catch on.
All those in favor say Aye.

somebody please make a better dialer... It is the bane of my existence

aosp
Forgive my ignorance, but what is aosp?

theme development
now that we have root has anyone taken a shot at a skin for eris? maybe port some of the wicked cool stuff they have working on the hero side? tons of notification bars, clocks, rosie scrollers...and so much more...just excited to see where our devices can go.
To the devs, thanks for all your effort. For those who are impatient ect just know these guys n gals have work, school, families ect and all they do for us is on their own time...so that being said be courteous and thankful and most of all patient...development has to well...develope....

rom116 said:
Forgive my ignorance, but what is aosp?
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AOSP is the Android Open Source Project, which is the latest open version of Android, Codenamed Eclair at this time. Its roughly the same as Android 2.1 release.

My Requests
All HTC Widgets including the new ones from the desire/ legend (Friendstream, RSS Reader, Today in History etc.)
Re-skinned Sense Bottom Bar (Some Hero Roms have a rectangular one rather than the curved one we have)
Speed/ Battery Optimization

speech to text

A larger camcorder resolution would be nice, at least the resolution the phone runs in. Also an overclocked processor.

Could anyone see about Using Dialer One as the default dialer app? Like when you press "PHONE", Dialer One comes up instead? That would be great.

[Q] Subforums for Sense/Stock builds in the Dev section ?

As it appears people clearly like or dont like HTC Sense, would it be possibly to add these options to the dev forums, its getting really confusing trying to follow/ find anything with the page's updating every second and the random names dev's use to tag there builds

RenZ0R said:
As it appears people clearly like or dont like HTC Sense, would it be possibly to add these options to the dev forums, its getting really confusing trying to follow/ find anything with the page's updating every second and the random names dev's use to tag there builds
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Sorry for my ignorance but do you need someone to hold your hand while crossing the street too?

inny2 said:
Sorry for my ignorance but do you need someone to hold your hand while crossing the street too?
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Nope but obviously someone needs help on learning on how to throw together a witty non valid comment... it's a simple suggestion on cleaning up the forums to make them more user friendly, now, back under your rock troll...

I was going to suggest something similar too.Another thought was to not have so much discriptions on the headings,maybe just the basics of what is there.Then more detailed info when the thread is opened,maybe.I find it pretty confusing the differentiate between some of the builds.
I'm almost changing on a two daily basis my android roms and am very grateful for all the hard work being put into this so keep up the good work and thanks

I have to say its rather easy for me to figure out what type of build it is.
maybe its just me. Usually there is something in the header that tips me off.

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Nope but obviously someone needs help on learning on how to throw together a witty non valid comment... it's a simple suggestion on cleaning up the forums to make them more user friendly, now, back under your rock troll...
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hazard99 said:
I have to say its rather easy for me to figure out what type of build it is.
maybe its just me. Usually there is something in the header that tips me off.
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I hope you see the difference between me (troll) and you. Check the titles, waste some more time to install all the builds and you will find which developer and what build is what with what.
Thank you!

Your correct, Titles tell us everything
[BUILD]Mdeejay FroYo HD v.3.3 beta|1.24.405.1|kernel: hastarin r 7.1
must therefore be a Stock build.... oh wait, its Sense.
I could list various titles for hours with the amount of releases there is on a weekly basis, see what im getting at here ?
The suggestion I made has nothing to do with testing builds, what developer to use, or any other of the random questions about builds that are flooding the forums, its about a creating a simple sub forum so the two variations of releases can be easily distinguished and found by the user looking for it, and probably give a little leeway to the dev's from the constant requests they get to do a alternative build with/without sense, simple organisation allowing less clutter and less load on the xda servers search function.

No need subforums for Sense/Stock, Stock build is dying, in a few days you won't able to find any stock build in the first few pages, there are will be Sense and EVIL Sense...

RenZ0R said:
Your correct, Titles tell us everything
[BUILD]Mdeejay FroYo HD v.3.3 beta|1.24.405.1|kernel: hastarin r 7.1
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Isn't HD in the title as Rom from Desire HD?
Plus most developers if not all put some screen shots at the end of their first post.
And we are talking for how many android roms in total? 10? Thats nothing compared to WM roms and GTX themed or Max-Sense. Needless to say the mess with the builds for 6.5 and 6.5.x builds. As soon as people get acquainted with what they have its fine.

A look at the stable roms (videos)

Hi everyone. I uploaded videos of the stable rom available on this forum. Just want to share this with you guys. It can help people choose the good rom for them.
THIS IS ONLY A LOOK AT THE ROMS. I DONT SPEAK OR ANYTHING. NO SOUND.
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2.2 based roms
- FreeX10 Beta4
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=900441
Link to video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkTMXjMZzgY
-NEW NEW NEW NEW ----> [MOD by CF] TripNMiUI v1.0.3 FreeKernel 003 ! <----- NEW NEW NEW NEW
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1013210
Link to video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26tJbxRhDEE
(this is not the default theme that comes with the rom but you will see what u can do with this wonderful rom; ! Android 2.3 Gingerbread theme from the MIUI theme chooser!)
- CM6.1.3 Scamble v1.3 (COMING SOON!)
- [Cyanogen6.1.3]gingerbread[v01]
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=947613
Link to video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Crk9VbLARXo
-( GOING TO UPLOAD A VID FOR VERSION 6 AS SOON AS ITS AVAILABLE FOR EVERYONE!)
[ROM] CM 6.1.3 V4.5 (link to v4.5.7 vid on the video) [Tweaked+Theme+Extras]
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=945264
Link to video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1-zbbP285U
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2.1 based roms :
Blue Sparks V051 OTA
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=892688
Link to video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uTMoWSHWXg
[ROM-2.1-THEMEUPDATE]Honeycomb Look
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=949457
Link to video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2r7Xyf0A6E
If you think this post dont belong here just delete it please. thx

you should probably blur out your friends phone numbers, etc... lol
Good idea though on the videos..

**** YES finally, great idea.

Good Idea. I linked your Video in my Thread

cm 7 v006 is missing thinki saw the vid yesterday gonna look for it

Dude, sweetness.
I have no idea why noone didn't think of this before(I didn't lol)

alankstiyo said:
cm 7 v006 is missing thinki saw the vid yesterday gonna look for it
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Read the title again my friend,A look at the stable froyo roms (videos),CM7 v006 is based on gingerbread.
@OP,gr8 idea,thums up!
Regards...

then - [Cyanogen6.1.3]gingerbread[v01]???????????????
that's froyo???
okokok my mistake xD

alankstiyo said:
then - [Cyanogen6.1.3]gingerbread[v01]???????????????
that's froyo???
okokok my mistake xD
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it is....
froyo with a gingerbread theme

Yes! Great work! Maybe it's just me, but it would be great if you could also put a description of each ROM in layman's terms. Personally, I don't find most of the descriptions provided by the devs in their first posts very helpful either. Since there is no audio I think it would be very helpful to know what's different about them.
If you are the dev of one of these ROMs or one not listed, maybe you will consider my request as well?

agentJBM said:
Yes! Great work! Maybe it's just me, but it would be great if you could also put a description of each ROM in layman's terms. Personally, I don't find most of the descriptions provided by the devs in their first posts very helpful either. Since there is no audio I think it would be very helpful to know what's different about them.
If you are the dev of one of these ROMs or one not listed, maybe you will consider my request as well?
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They are almost the same... It's android OS. The only difference I can notice is the colors of the interface. Sometimes there some apps mods and difference in the camera UI but everything about this is in the description of each ROMS threads.
TriPNMiUI is the one with the biggest changes. But I show em all in the video.

Someone should sticky this thread!

allskin said:
They are almost the same... It's android OS. The only difference I can notice is the colors of the interface. Sometimes there some apps mods and difference in the camera UI but everything about this is in the description of each ROMS threads.
TriPNMiUI is the one with the biggest changes. But I show em all in the video.
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Which I said I don't find very helpful. Those descriptions assume you understand all the abbreviations and numbers. To someone familiar I am sure it is crystal clear, but for a noob trying to decide between ROMs it's a bit confusing. That's why I asked for it in layman's terms.
In response to your brief description, and please remember I am new to the development aspect... Why do we need/have four nearly identical mostly working ROMs, rather than people working together on one fully functional ROM? Does working on cracking the bootloader or the drivers for the camera require a different skill set than developing one of these ROMs?

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Which I said I don't find very helpful. Those descriptions assume you understand all the abbreviations and numbers. To someone familiar I am sure it is crystal clear, but for a noob trying to decide between ROMs it's a bit confusing. That's why I asked for it in layman's terms.
In response to your brief description, and please remember I am new to the development aspect... Why do we need/have four nearly identical mostly working ROMs, rather than people working together on one fully functional ROM? Does working on cracking the bootloader or the drivers for the camera require a different skill set than developing one of these ROMs?
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One ring to rule them all?
You know what I want to know is where are the lawyers? With the official announcements regarding malware that requires a os update, I'm curious about the liability issues when you are locked in to a contract without a update to your locked device.
Sent from my X10a using XDA App

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One ring to rule them all?
You know what I want to know is where are the lawyers? With the official announcements regarding malware that requires a os update, I'm curious about the liability issues when you are locked in to a contract without a update to your locked device.
Sent from my X10a using XDA App
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Now is the time, if any, to flood SE forums, blogs, comments, and email with this legitimate reason to update. No more unique X10 (2.1) user experience versus generic 2.2 being a fair alternative.

Thank you! thank you! thank you!!!!.... you have sorted out and condensed a lot of time showing actually working rom's to update my "first" love but now my girlfriends x10i
Good stuff ... i tell you.. one again thanks

What is the photo widget used in the first video? Its about 1m20s in to the video. Is it part of the arc launcher?

Hi,
1st tought.
You should make the videos with original package and without any add;
2nd tought
Great idea!!! Congrats

@JBM
allskin wasn't trying to not give you the answer in layman's terms, he was merely stating that if its froyo its all the same functionality wise. They all have basically the same speed and features. The difference mainly being visual, which the video works well at showing. If it has CM in the title or Cyanogen Mod it means that it includes a set of personalization options in the settings menu. The only fully working roms are those that are based on 2.1 eclair. Most the number notations are just version numbers which do not corrolate between roms in any way. Trips miui rom is only different because its functionality is designed around behaving like an iPhone. All the same features are still there though.
So really, its as simple as choosing if you want the cm options or not and if you want a iPhone style or not. Between the pics and these here videos, the visual effects/design will depend on what you like.
If you want more advice please feel free to pm me so we don't clog this thread with off topic discussion.
Sent from my Delorean using a flux capacitor!

Compumasta, thanks for answering my question. Sorry, I really didn't think it was off topic. It was more of a clarification, but I am sure others will benefit from your answer as well.

ROMs ROMs and more ROMs

Can someone tell me whats up with the 50+ ICS ROMs? It's a bit concerning that all this effort seems to be put into reproducing the same exact thing. I think the community would benefit from cooperation rather than competition... But I feel like I must be missing something here, I am new to the Nexus S but not to Android, is there something about the Nexus S community that I'm not getting?
Not complaining at all, or should I say, I'm not trying to complain. I also want to point out that I appreciate the developers who pour their time and effort into our devices and help us to get the maximum value out of them.
(Want to note, I am running AOSP's ICS build and loving it.)

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Can someone tell me whats up with the 50+ ICS ROMs? It's a bit concerning that all this effort seems to be put into reproducing the same exact thing. I think the community would benefit from cooperation rather than competition... But I feel like I must be missing something here, I am new to the Nexus S but not to Android, is there something about the Nexus S community that I'm not getting?
Not complaining at all, or should I say, I'm not trying to complain. I also want to point out that I appreciate the developers who pour their time and effort into our devices and help us to get the maximum value out of them.
(Want to note, I am running AOSP's ICS build and loving it.)
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Hey Man, I am much similar to where you are right now. I am not new to Nexus S or Android, but I feel that the abundance of ROMs is a good thing.
Having so many ROMs shows that the device is still running very strong: Something Android phones NEED to have behind them.
On the other hand I dislike it. To all the developers out there, I think you guys are amazing and genius no doubt. So take the following lightly...
What people don't like to see when browsing for a ROM is a dozen ROMs that are all identical. We need something new and fresh, hence why I like MIUI.
What I think should be done is as you said, have co-operation to make one master ROM because we have hundreds of people in the Nexus S community ready to help.
Speaking on my behalf I HATE SO MANY ROMs Because I simply cannot decide which is best because they are all similar in many ways, and I don't have time to try each one out as much as I want to. I do like having these ROMs but when it comes to choosing one its a big choice for me.
Any feedback on this?

I agree with a not so great abundance or ROMs. But most are not devs. They are simply "chefs" because they never actually developed anything. They just price and scrap things from source to mods. Cm9, ASOP, Peter A(because of his radios and kernal) are devs. We have lots of chefs.
I made brickROM just because of this situation. Its never been done, but the community wasn't ready for it yet.
Either way you can tell what rom has Is "real" I would say there's about only 5
And its sad for new Android users that come here get presided by a catching slogan and rob themselves from using a much better rom
Sent from my Nexus S 4G using XDA App. Developer of brickROM, and OP of XDA Thread of The Year 2011.

What would you do if you don't like any of the existing ROMs? May be one is missing a feature you need, another just has too many features you don't want? The answer is simple -- create your own ROM, or modify an existing one... I think most devs just make the ROM they want to use as their daily driver and simply share it here (i.e. what's going on is not about competition, at least from my point of view)
It sounds good to gather all devs to create a ROM that suits everyone's needs, but IMHO it is nearly impossible to do that

suksit said:
What would you do if you don't like any of the existing ROMs? May be one is missing a feature you need, another just has too many features you don't want? The answer is simple -- create your own ROM, or modify an existing one... I think most devs just make the ROM they want to use as their daily driver and simply share it here (i.e. what's going on is not about competition, at least from my point of view)
It sounds good to gather all devs to create a ROM that suits everyone's needs, but IMHO it is nearly impossible to do that
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But these futures found in everyone's ROM are just mods that you can flash. I flash 8 zips with every rom update but I know that a personal mix so I have no need to share it.
I'm capiale of changing my waklppaer
I flash custom font, and inverted apps with some tyranny Widgets and kernal. With gnex sounds. No reason to "cook" it. This is not development.
Sent from my Nexus S 4G using XDA App. Developer of brickROM, and OP of XDA Thread of The Year 2011.

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Sent from my Nexus S 4G using XDA App. Developer of brickROM, and OP of XDA Thread of The Year 2011.

suksit said:
It sounds good to gather all devs to create a ROM that suits everyone's needs, but IMHO it is nearly impossible to do that
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The CyanogenMod team pull it off quite well, all that is needed is a bug tracker and patch review system and boom! instant cooperation.
Maybe we have too many "chefs" in the kitchen

joenathane said:
The CyanogenMod team pull it off quite well, all that is needed is a bug tracker and patch review system and boom! instant cooperation.
Maybe we have too many "chefs" in the kitchen
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I am agree with you CyanogenMod need a bug tracker for CM9.

Here is an interesting fact in case anyone didn't know but MR. Cyanogen himself is rocking a Nexus S http://twitter.com/#!/cyanogen/status/153353404159234049
I wonder what build of ICS he is running, probably from his own private reserve...

joenathane said:
The CyanogenMod team pull it off quite well, all that is needed is a bug tracker and patch review system and boom! instant cooperation.
Maybe we have too many "chefs" in the kitchen
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I will be honest here and say that I personally dislike Cyanogen Mod for the most part. True that they are the gut best in performance, but if the only ROM I had was Cyanogen, I would not be very happy with it. I just think that for my favor, Cyanogen focus' so much on power, yet takes the look of the ROM as a after thought. The modified music on Cyanogen ROMs and the overall execution of his work lacks style and design, as if he first said "Make it fast, then maybe make it look ok" MIUI on the other hand has a great deal invested in how it looks which gives a very effective illusion of performance.
I think that the problem is we have so many chefs in that small kitchen and they have all made so many great dishes that sooner or later they will have eventually all used the same spices by some point, so we are beginning to lose that uniqueness in each one.

LGIQEXPO said:
I will be honest here and say that I personally dislike Cyanogen Mod for the most part. True that they are the gut best in performance, but if the only ROM I had was Cyanogen, I would not be very happy with it. I just think that for my favor, Cyanogen focus' so much on power, yet takes the look of the ROM as a after thought. The modified music on Cyanogen ROMs and the overall execution of his work lacks style and design, as if he first said "Make it fast, then maybe make it look ok" MIUI on the other hand has a great deal invested in how it looks which gives a very effective illusion of performance.
I think that the problem is we have so many chefs in that small kitchen and they have all made so many great dishes that sooner or later they will have eventually all used the same spices by some point, so we are beginning to lose that uniqueness in each one.
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The only problem with that is Miui uses CyanogenMod code as a base(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIUI#Development) and CyanogenMod 7 has the theme chooser integrated for easy themeing(check the last three links in my signature to see some themes I created for it).
I don't think any mod team have contributed more to Android than the CyanogenMod Team, they certainly have my respect for that.
I agree about the spices, all these chefs cooking the same exact entree and now which on to choose...

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The only problem with that is Miui uses CyanogenMod code as a base(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIUI#Development)
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It's a fact, not a problem.
Back on topic,
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I think that the problem is we have so many chefs in that small kitchen and they have all made so many great dishes that sooner or later they will have eventually all used the same spices by some point, so we are beginning to lose that uniqueness in each one.
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I believe at some point the community will decide which dishes live and which will die. I don't think people will keep posting ROMs if nobody uses it.

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It's a fact, not a problem.
Back on topic,
I believe at some point the community will decide which dishes live and which will die. I don't think people will keep posting ROMs if nobody uses it.
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This^^ plus one thing, good all these chefs are popping up, that's showing a swell in number of people interested in development, in the end it can only have a positive outcome. Let em dev.
Sent from my Nexus S 4G using Tapatalk

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It's a fact, not a problem.
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I obviously didn't mean problem in that sense, I meant it as in the 'problem' with his argument not the problem with CyanogenMod or Miui, I'm not sure how you interpreted it the way you did...
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I believe at some point the community will decide which dishes live and which will die. I don't think people will keep posting ROMs if nobody uses it.
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what about the "noobs" who are instantly confronted with 20+ ICS ROMs and not a clue to which is worth its weight in salt?

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I obviously didn't mean problem in that sense, I meant it as in the 'problem' with his argument not the problem with CyanogenMod or Miui, I'm not sure how you interpreted it the way you did...
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Sorry if I interpreted it wrong (English is not my native language anyway ) I thought you're trying to imply that "since MIUI is based on CM, @LGIQEXPO shouldn't compare them together" or "if you like MIUI, it means you already liked CM." Just wanted to say that it is not a problem if one wants to compare those two.
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what about the "noobs" who are instantly confronted with 20+ ICS ROMs and not a clue to which is worth its weight in salt?
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Occasionally I'd see a thread titled "Help me decide which ROM is best" and the most popular answer would be "Why don't you try them all?" Yeah it would be madness to try all 20+ ROMs in a row, but I don't think anyone will do that.
Before flashing a ROM, I'd (suggest them to) read everything in the first few posts by the OP, and take a look at the screenshots (most of the time I can decide if I will like this ROM or not by these two factors) If those "noobs" are not too ignorant I believe they'll have a small list of ROM(s) they want to try (may be 4-5 choices, which is reasonable.)

I know it is on the same code, but I more so meant the apps that MIUI re-did for their ROMs, and how they offer a nice end user appeal.
What would be amazing is if all the known devs of these ROMs would just once come together to use their own strengths, and make a mast ROM out of it. MIUI Design and style, Cyanogen tweaks and speed, Peter A. stability, the overclocking everything! (I can't wait for that hahah )

you want fewer rom, get a ns4g. Although we only have a fraction of the roms found in the other forum, they all seem to have their own distinct character.

i was using an SII before this so i was a frequent on that part of xda.. they do have a separate page for original development and another one for development (being kitchen products)

Hey,
Just wanted to add my opinion in all of this that there are so many "equal" roms.
I as some mentioned on another thread am a chef to rom developing, and I don't mind.
Why I do this is because I don't have the time or knowledge to create Android source apps so I take what I think is the best from each rom and create my own.
For example for me CM9 is way to bloated with too many configurations and options I prefer a more real cleaner AOSP, something like Peter Alfonso (buglessBeast), but I do like the T9 dialer from CM9, so I cherry-pick that from CM9 and add it to a PA base.
Also for the notifications power menu I liked TeamKang one so I added that. That way I'm making my own custom rom to my liking and also I don't have to be flashing 20 zips every time there is a new update or wipe my phone
I just thought on sharing it just if some one has the same likes in roms I'm no asking for anything in return. Also I do this in my little free time.
Sent from my Nexus S 4G using XDA App

mandaman2k said:
Hey,
Just wanted to add my opinion in all of this that there are so many "equal" roms.
I as some mentioned on another thread am a chef to rom developing, and I don't mind.
Why I do this is because I don't have the time or knowledge to create Android source apps so I take what I think is the best from each rom and create my own.
For example for me CM9 is way to bloated with too many configurations and options I prefer a more real cleaner AOSP, something like Peter Alfonso (buglessBeast), but I do like the T9 dialer from CM9, so I cherry-pick that from CM9 and add it to a PA base.
Also for the notifications power menu I liked TeamKang one so I added that. That way I'm making my own custom rom to my liking and also I don't have to be flashing 20 zips every time there is a new update or wipe my phone
I just thought on sharing it just if some one has the same likes in roms I'm no asking for anything in return. Also I do this in my little free time.
Sent from my Nexus S 4G using XDA App
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Thanks for adding your voice to the discourse.
If I was asked to offer an opinion on what you do, this is what I would say....
I think what you do is okay for you, but the problem is when you release it. There is a problem because as you state, you cherry pick features and/or "code" from other ROMs, and that can/will lead to issues for your user base. Lets take for example the T9 dialer, what happens when security bugs are found and fixed and optimizations make it into an update of the T9 dialer? Well that would mean you would need to update your ROM, but what if you're busy with your job or just with life and are too busy to get around to it? Well now your users of your ROM are without those security, bug fixes and optimizations, and multiply that by all the other pieces of the ROM that you cherry picked from other sources.
My point here to be clear is that due to the nature of your ROM, it will always lag in patches to security issues, bug fixes and optimizations and I think that is ultimately a disservice to your user base.
There is a value that you create, so I guess the question here is, does that value of bringing all these pieces into one convenient package outweigh the negatives of the lagging patches/fixes?
I mean no offense, and I hope this isn't taken as such, I just want to encourage some discourse on these things...

Development News Discussion

I think the pixel devices are a haven for android development. like a tree has a trunk and then branches , lol the pixels are like the trunk and other manufactures other than google are branches. not exactly but in someways, yes
THIS THREAD IS FOR CENTRALIZING DISSCUSSION
What android features are developers working on? What features do enthusiasts what to see?
Ideas, requests, reminders. Hopefully you'll be heard here
I would like phone theme-ing to be more compartmentalized.

Still wanna see a bootloader unlock for Verizon variant.

alladinscastle said:
I think the pixel devices are a haven for android development. like a tree has a truck and then branches , lol the pixels are like the truck and other manufactures other than google are branches. not exactly but in someways, yes
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that's not really true. AOSP may be the trunk, but the pixel line is just a branch or two - Google just showcases their stuff on pixel devices first...
alladinscastle said:
THIS THREAD IS FOR CENTRALIZING DISSCUSSION
What android features are developers working on? What features do enthusiasts what to see?
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doesn't it make more sense to encourage users to visit the dedicated thread of a given piece of software that developers already have created VS. trying to have a centralized thread?. ... I mean the pixel forum IS centralized and leads to all of the development, software and support threads already...I'm confused, i don't understand the point....?
alladinscastle said:
I would like phone theme-ing to be more compartmentalized.
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how so?. ... I mean, as is theming is very compartmentalized, at least in terms of it being granular, on a per-app or overlay basis... therevarevstill a few annoyances with Theming, but it's not too bad...

Part1, first come first serve.
Part2 if we where to use this thread, there would be a better spread of knowledge and less harrassing OPs with cluttered responses, expectations, the usual
Part3 I would like to customize my device without using substratum theme. A more of a layer by layer or mix and match custom options that would be possible with coding approach. Bold- maybe, impossible- nothing. Using one's own choices or prereadied themes

https://www.xda-developers.com/otgs...stratum-themes-directly-on-a-phone-or-tablet/
Linking article for OTGSubs. Looks cool

abranson said:
Still wanna see a bootloader unlock for Verizon variant.
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I'm Verizon, I got in early when the getting was hood

I thought of a few things like replacing stock boot image with modified signed one, but had an androidinfo.txt error, and if we can't get temp root to bypass, for now, maybe I can find a way to change my imei?

alladinscastle said:
Part1, first come first serve.
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it doesn't change the fact that all of the OEMS/vendors are building roms using AOSP, not the pixel line... so not really first come first serve.
alladinscastle said:
Part2 if we where to use this thread, there would be a better spread of knowledge and less harrassing OPs with cluttered responses, expectations, the usual
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you are talking about lumping the entire forum into one thread. meanwhile the forum is nicely divided into categories /sections and is easy to navigate.... furthermore, as a developer; I would prefer any discourse regarding any development that I do, happen in the thread that I created, rather than some mega thread with 100 different topics all overlapping with replies. that's super ineffective, would mean I would have an additional, very disorganized thread to follow and email notifications would be useless..... I can appreciate your intentions, but I can monitor my thread, no need for a third party to intervene.
I do think this is a great idea, for people to point out new articles, features or stuff elsewhere as a newsfeed or something and general discussion... but I think developers can manage their threads better than letting another party do it for them... or putting them in a position where they will have to monitor an additional thread...
alladinscastle said:
Part3 I would like to customize my device without using substratum theme. A more of a layer by layer custom options that would be possible with coding approach. Bold- maybe, impossible- nothing
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substratum is a layer by layer approach. you can mix and match all that you like, changrle the priority / ordering of layers, etc, etc...
coding approach how? explain in detail, without being vague. do you have any code i can look at? .... I'm not sure that i see how you would accomplish any theming engine without direct ROM support, like the old cm theme engine or OMS/RRO support in AOSP.

Good to know on the AOSP. Maybe their ports will land on pixel soon?
It is unreasonable to see developers updating there's thread here. Very unreasonable. I thought I might see developers like yourself, thanks for the kernel, post here like say... I might start a new project, is their community support for this? That sort of thing. And the community post here with ideas, requests. That sort of thing. Could lead to more participation, and less threads being created that are simply comments that belong here.
The OTGSubs I found sounds like exactly what I was meaning. Just something to get more freedom from prereadied themes. The build your own theme engine. Holla, I do love ya'lls themes usually. I'm gonna go play with OTGSubs.

alladinscastle said:
Good to know on the AOSP. Maybe their ports will land on pixel soon?
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youbare already running lots of code on your pixel that was committed upstream by Google's partners.
alladinscastle said:
It is unreasonable to see developers updating there's thread here. Very unreasonable. I thought I might see developers like yourself, thanks for the kernel, post here like say... I might start a new project, is their community support for this? That sort of thing. And the community post here with ideas, requests. That sort of thing. Could lead to more participation, and less threads being created that are simply comments that belong here.
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I getcha. on a new project, I might do that, but for myself anyway; if I release a peice of software, then I'm still going to startba dedicated thread... so like a newsfeed; I could mention / link to it from here but that's about it.
but I can see what ur driving at now.
alladinscastle said:
The OTGSubs I found sounds like exactly what I was meaning. Just something to get more freedom from prereadied themes. The build your own theme engine. Holla, I do love ya'lls themes usually. I'm gonna go play with OTGSubs.
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otgsubs is for substratum though. you said you didn't want substratum...I'm confused. lol.... iirc, there are several apps like this for modding or creating themes that make use of substratum / OMS.... nice to see more of that around though.

I'd love to see an exploit for vzw Pixel to root/unlock my bootloader.

ztotherad said:
I'd love to see an exploit for vzw Pixel to root/unlock my bootloader.
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Wouldn't we all
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The January security update is now allowing deodex. I myself cannot bring myself to update yet. The work done on my phone now cannot be undone. Some where else in the forum it was said that themes (Subs) should be reset before flashing .

What else is locked or waiting to be found within pixel? Today I was hoping WiFi calling would be simple. I failed. Does someone know more about this topic or WiFi calling's ties to HD video calling? Also a screenshot. Yeah

I need too amend my prior post to say "HD voice"

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What else is locked or waiting to be found within pixel? Today I was hoping WiFi calling would be simple. I failed. Does someone know more about this topic or WiFi calling's ties to HD video calling? Also a screenshot. Yeah
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I haven't taken/received the Jan update yet, but then again I'm not going to sideload it on my phone. I'm still hoping for an unlock like the pixel 2/XL2, but my hope is dwindling.

Here is something I found via Google about a bootloader exploit https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjARegQIBhAB&usg=AOvVaw2mjG3yppFcxSunZI9TGsvi

snipinu said:
Here is something I found via Google about a bootloader exploit https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjARegQIBhAB&usg=AOvVaw2mjG3yppFcxSunZI9TGsvi
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honestly that looks old. it's talking about the oneplus 3/3T
edit: looking at it it may be feasible, but if it was then why has no one else taken it upon themselves to try to exploit? i would but i don't know the first thing about this stuff (exploiting exploits)

Talks about the pixel too some form of exploit. I just did a random search and found that PDF.

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Talks about the pixel too some form of exploit. I just did a random search and found that PDF.
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yeah quick reading that's what i saw. I'd personally love to try to exploit the meltdown/spectre exploits, but idk if it's feasible.