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I almost wish I looked at a N1 before picking up a NS

So I bought a Nexus S yesterday, earlier today I noticed a co worker of mine had a Nexus 1, I know of them, I mean I've seen them but I never actually held one; I was blown away by the build quality and the trackball is awesome as well. After playing with his phone I started hitting up craigslist to see if I could find one and was seriously considering returning my Nexus S.
I think I'm gonna keep the Nexus S after all but god damn, I'm just shocked that the Nexus S is the Nexus S, I mean, you would think that after the Nexus 1, the phone replacing it would at least have that same style of build quality. oh well, I still like the NS non the less.

I'm sure you can understand why so many of us chose not to upgrade, eh? The Nexus S is a nice handset if you didn't already have a Nexus One...it just isn't a big enough step up for us though.
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biggest suck up thread ever
though, I personally, am very flattered

Nexus s is great. You get a better touch sensor and a faster gpu.

I played with one in store. I have my N1 running the latest CM7 gingerbread. So I setup my desktop matching the NS.
The screen is a Tad nicer but overall I didn't see much to warrant my dough.
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deenn said:
biggest suck up thread ever
though, I personally, am very flattered
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haha no sucking up here, just gotta pay respect when its due; I mean lets be honest, the Nexus S IS better than the Nexus One, even if the specs are slightly better, with its slightly better screen, higher quality screen, front facing camera, etc. etc. the only thing I feel the S falls short on is the build quality, its nothing bad but its like with the iPhone, I liked the build quality better on the first gen iphone then the 3G or 3GS.
Unless Palm announces something crazy (Palm fanboy here) I'll probably just stick with the Nexus S, I also have a Droid Pro so I think I should be set for a while.

MO3iusONE said:
So I bought a Nexus S yesterday, earlier today I noticed a co worker of mine had a Nexus 1, I know of them, I mean I've seen them but I never actually held one; I was blown away by the build quality and the trackball is awesome as well. After playing with his phone I started hitting up craigslist to see if I could find one and was seriously considering returning my Nexus S.
I think I'm gonna keep the Nexus S after all but god damn, I'm just shocked that the Nexus S is the Nexus S, I mean, you would think that after the Nexus 1, the phone replacing it would at least have that same style of build quality. oh well, I still like the NS non the less.
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Now you see why many of us love the nexus one so much! CPU and specs aside, the nexus one hardware, build quality, color track ball for any notification you want, materials, size and package, its unmatched even by any current phone out there today! This phone is literally a work of art.
Throw in the car dock and desk dock, it can't be beat. Damn I wish Google went with HTC for the next nexus phone.

RogerPodacter said:
Damn I wish Google went with HTC for the next nexus phone.
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I know it just blows my mind that th folks at Google carried around an HTC N1 for almost a year and then decided that the Nexus S made by Samsung was the way to go...it really does blow my mind every time I think about it. Who in their right mind would make that choice?? I'm still bitter about it...feel as if I was robbed out of an upgrade. Forced to make a choice of crappy build quality with better internals or stick with older internals with better build quality. I'd still like to know what asshole at Google made us face that choice.

Old MuckenMire said:
I'd still like to know what asshole at Google made us face that choice.
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Oh cmon MM... tell us how you REALLY feel
It make sense to me at least for Google to keep its various manufacturers happy by spreading the Nexus love. I guess we will have to see who the next Nexus is made by: Motorola? LG?

ap3604 said:
Oh cmon MM... tell us how you REALLY feel
It make sense to me at least for Google to keep its various manufacturers happy by spreading the Nexus love. I guess we will have to see who the next Nexus is made by: Motorola? LG?
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I hadn't thought about it in awhile and it kinda hit me again there reading this thread.
I can understand wanting to spread the manufacturer love but Google should have told Samsung that if they wanted the Nexus "2", then they could have it, PROVIDED they built it nicer than their usual crap. Google should have kept a higher standard for the Nexus line and they let Samsung kinda cheapen it in my book.
It's one thing to spread the love and it's another to tell Samsung here are the internals we want and oh you can wrap those internals in whatever you want. I almost think us users are prouder of the N1 than Google, who seemed to give up on it like a step child when it didn't sell as well as they would have liked. Hell we users BEGGED Google to advertise the damn thing....but no, they run a search ad during the Super Bowl LESS THAN A MONTH after the Nexus launched...what kind of sense did that make?? Like Google needed a search ad during the Super Bowl...everyone already uses Google search for god's sake!!!

What is up with Samsung and plastic? I know that they have one phone made of metal, but plastic gets so fingerprint prone.
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Oh cmon MM... tell us how you REALLY feel
It make sense to me at least for Google to keep its various manufacturers happy by spreading the Nexus love. I guess we will have to see who the next Nexus is made by: Motorola? LG?
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I hope it is by Motorola, providing that they don't have a locked bootloader. They actually put dual noise canceling mics on their phone (Droid X), which is probably one of the most important thing on a smartphone.

Yeah, hands up for Nexus One
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Old MuckenMire said:
I hadn't thought about it in awhile and it kinda hit me again there reading this thread.
I can understand wanting to spread the manufacturer love but Google should have told Samsung that if they wanted the Nexus "2", then they could have it, PROVIDED they built it nicer than their usual crap. Google should have kept a higher standard for the Nexus line and they let Samsung kinda cheapen it in my book.
It's one thing to spread the love and it's another to tell Samsung here are the internals we want and oh you can wrap those internals in whatever you want. I almost think us users are prouder of the N1 than Google, who seemed to give up on it like a step child when it didn't sell as well as they would have liked. Hell we users BEGGED Google to advertise the damn thing....but no, they run a search ad during the Super Bowl LESS THAN A MONTH after the Nexus launched...what kind of sense did that make?? Like Google needed a search ad during the Super Bowl...everyone already uses Google search for god's sake!!!
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True that everyone already what the hell business google is about. I was too disappointed the way they advertised the n1
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I think that samsung phones build quality is in general cheap, but lets be honest, they can make phones with nice specs, and then there's those qualcomm chipsets that HTC put in the their phones, they're just awful, which kinda makes you consider buying samsung phones.

This is the exact reason I'm still using my N1 - normally I upgrade as soon as the next best phone is out, but the Nexus is just perfect. The build quality is amazing compared to any samsung phones.
And seriously, I'd miss the trackball too much.
With that said, I have a Galaxy Tab - and think thats great, but I don't carry that with me every day so the cheap plastic doesnt annoy me as much

Guitago said:
I think that samsung phones build quality is in general cheap, but lets be honest, they can make phones with nice specs, and then there's those qualcomm chipsets that HTC put in the their phones, they're just awful, which kinda makes you consider buying samsung phones.
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The snapdragon, even first gen, is not too shabby at all, and it beats the hummingbird in a lot of CPU tests. The advantage of hummingbird is the graphics. In fact, I think the nexus one was better at scrolling smoothly over the nexus s in most cases because graphics was not yet enabled on the S. CPU vs CPU the snapdragon seemed to out perform it imo.

RogerPodacter said:
The snapdragon, even first gen, is not too shabby at all, and it beats the hummingbird in a lot of CPU tests. The advantage of hummingbird is the graphics. In fact, I think the nexus one was better at scrolling smoothly over the nexus s in most cases because graphics was not yet enabled on the S. CPU vs CPU the snapdragon seemed to out perform it imo.
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Well, to be honest I never used a the nexus s, here in Brasil is too expensive to get new devices, I used only the galaxy s, which I think is basically the same device, only in a different housing, and it was pretty fast. I used a Nexus One too, but obviously the roms were different (even though both were using cooked froyo roms) and I know experience may vary, but the galaxy s seemed much faster.

canadariot2312 said:
What is up with Samsung and plastic? I know that they have one phone made of metal, but plastic gets so fingerprint prone.
I hope it is by Motorola, providing that they don't have a locked bootloader. They actually put dual noise canceling mics on their phone (Droid X), which is probably one of the most important thing on a smartphone.
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I'm sorry, but I can't agree with you about that MotoNexus crap. Only US of A can be happy with Motorola customer service and update policy... Ever heared of the Milestone? Yeah, Droid with GSM... Today it can only run stock 2.1 krenel because of MotoPLCY and locked bootloader. Rest of the world is so fcuking tired of hearing their craptalk that they would never buy a Moto device again! Well, Nexus phones are not ONLY American phones.
Also I actually don't like the idea of releasing Nexus devices by different manufacturer each year.. It just doesn't make sense for me. Google is a company not different from others, they count each dollar when it comes to spending money. N1 was a good compromise between cheap and technically good, htc made it that way as they did with desire. So... What's the point? Even if Mofofaila would bulid another Nexus (NX? They seem to like that letter) what would be nest? LG? ok, and then?
P.S. If anything what i wrote is unclear, tell me. It can happen, because english is not my native langueage
EDIT: BUT I agree about those dual mics. They do make a difference for me too!

+1 for dual mics
The call sound quality on the N1 and the Droid X are what attracted me to those two phones. In my opinion, it's a MUST HAVE feature and the single biggest reason I haven't bought a Nexus S.

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I'm sorry, but I can't agree with you about that MotoNexus crap. Only US of A can be happy with Motorola customer service and update policy... Ever heared of the Milestone? Yeah, Droid with GSM... Today it can only run stock 2.1 krenel because of MotoPLCY and locked bootloader. Rest of the world is so fcuking tired of hearing their craptalk that they would never buy a Moto device again! Well, Nexus phones are not ONLY American phones.
Also I actually don't like the idea of releasing Nexus devices by different manufacturer each year.. It just doesn't make sense for me. Google is a company not different from others, they count each dollar when it comes to spending money. N1 was a good compromise between cheap and technically good, htc made it that way as they did with desire. So... What's the point? Even if Mofofaila would bulid another Nexus (NX? They seem to like that letter) what would be nest? LG? ok, and then?
P.S. If anything what i wrote is unclear, tell me. It can happen, because english is not my native langueage
EDIT: BUT I agree about those dual mics. They do make a difference for me too!
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but remember, if Moto is making the next nexus, google will be the one controlling the software, not moto. moto shouldn't be able to lock the bootloader in the next nexus without google saying yes.

Would One X+ be a better buy?

Now that I'm officially on the 3 week wait period, I am wondering if the HTC One X+ would be a better buy. Yes, I lose the latest version of Android for now but I'm sure HTC will upgrade it soon. What I do gain is supposedly a better camera and lots more storage. Not sure about the performance and battery life between the two. If price was not an issue, would you chose the One X+?
(Hope this is the correct forum to post this question)

ajaffarali said:
Now that I'm officially on the 3 week wait period, I am wondering if the HTC One X+ would be a better buy. Yes, I lose the latest version of Android for now but I'm sure HTC will upgrade it soon. What I do gain is supposedly a better camera and lots more storage. Not sure about the performance and battery life between the two. If price was not an issue, would you chose the One X+?
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I thought it had nice stats and I love HTC devices. I would have probably gotten it if it wasn't for the N4. That said man. I love this N4. If you were wanting it, I'd wait it out. You'll be happy you did.

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Now that I'm officially on the 3 week wait period, I am wondering if the HTC One X+ would be a better buy. Yes, I lose the latest version of Android for now but I'm sure HTC will upgrade it soon. What I do gain is supposedly a better camera and lots more storage. Not sure about the performance and battery life between the two. If price was not an issue, would you chose the One X+?
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I've owned HTC devices, they're good but HTC will not update it soon. Maybe by next year. The camera is better and you wouldn't have to wait, otherwise I'd go with the Nexus 4.

tweaked said:
I thought it had nice stats and I love HTC devices. I would have probably gotten it if it wasn't for the N4. That said man. I love this N4. If you were wanting it, I'd wait it out. You'll be happy you did.
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Thanks for your response. Is the glass on the back of your phone scary? There is a thread here of someone cracking it and the verge review also mentioned the back cracking. I have had my iphone 4s slipped off my hands a few times (didn't crack though)

ajaffarali said:
Thanks for your response. Is the glass on the back of your phone scary? There is a thread here of someone cracking it and the verge review also mentioned the back cracking. I have had my iphone 4s slipped off my hands a few times (didn't crack though)
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It's very slippery indeed. Especially if you place it down on an uneven surface. I'm definitely going to buy a coating for the back or a case.

If price wasn't an issue, I would purchase the One X+ rather than wait indefinitely for the N4.

Anyone has any performance or battery life comparisons? I understand the Nexus 4 has a more powerful CPU but from what I'm reading, it throttles down more than it should. In that case, does the One X+ end up being a better overall performer?

ajaffarali said:
Thanks for your response. Is the glass on the back of your phone scary? There is a thread here of someone cracking it and the verge review also mentioned the back cracking. I have had my iphone 4s slipped off my hands a few times (didn't crack though)
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Scary? No. Fragile? Perhaps. But I have had quite a few phones and they all seem like that to me. I put a TPU case on it. It raises the screen off of any surface so I don't scratch it and it will protect it from a small fall.
The Battery has been ok for me. I got about 8 hours yesterday with heavy usage and I was at 41% when I crashed, so I left it on my chest of drawers and this morning it was at 39%. I thought that was cool. My Inspire would have been almost dead.

Nexus has more RAM and a much better SoC. There isn't much between the One X and the One X+, and I don't regret changing one bit.
Of you are thinking of HTC I would suggest getting an N4 users ditched one off eBay and saving a bit of cash.
No S-OFF for them, mind, which is gash.

My only concern is the fact that tegra 3 is really outdated. Regardless what benchmarks say and what not. They are outdated.
The tegra 3 is still fast and has good performance, while that's all fun and good there's still many many down sides
1. Google is moving at a fast pace, that means => more updates
2. for HTC sense that means they will have to put that into their UI - if you're aware of htc you should know by now that their sense UI framework all goes together. That means if one part doesn't work you probably won't get the rest of it to work. This means that updates generally probably take longer to integrate into sense than it does into stock android. Even galaxy s3 is a better option in my opinion, the reason i believe samsung is able to upgrade their devices faster than HTC is because their UI is NOT as complicated. IMO touchwiz is just stock with a few things refurbished.
3.LOCKED BOOTLOADER - I'll say it once and i'll say it again, flashing is easy. Very easy. However, there are MANY people who are on leaked jelly bean rom via flashing.
Where's the problem you ask? The problem is that it is only flashable to a certain number of cids. In the htc one x/jelly bean leak update case, the jelly bean rom was only flashable to european cids, this means that MANY people couldn't flash their phone despite having rooted and some even unbranded phones.
This is in my opinion very unfair of htc and a good reason to choose not to go for HTC until they sort this mess out.
4. The price of the htc one x -> 520~530 euros... No thank you, you can get an as equally good device (nexus 4) for cheaper. And even if it is not cheaper in your country and costs you 500 euros, it is still better than an outdated tegra 3 chip with slow updates.
I have the feeling google will sort out battery problems. Just give them time. Once again, that's just my opinion, but i have faith in google.
oh and #5...
Tegra 4 is probably coming out next year, which isn't too far from now, you might have to wait a few months. But before getting this outdated chip you might wanna stick to nothing or buy a nexus 4. I know i'd do that, but i want to go for google this time around because they give you the best experience in the long run.

Well, you could have one before a month so if your in a hurry its a good buy.
Other than that, I wouldn't. Primarily due to the screens HTC uses, but that is personal preference.

ajaffarali said:
Now that I'm officially on the 3 week wait period, I am wondering if the HTC One X+ would be a better buy. Yes, I lose the latest version of Android for now but I'm sure HTC will upgrade it soon. What I do gain is supposedly a better camera and lots more storage. Not sure about the performance and battery life between the two. If price was not an issue, would you chose the One X+?
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If you cannot wait it out like me, I would suggest the galaxy note 2 if the size and price is not a concern for you. I got the international version because it receives updates faster that the American carrier crippled versions.

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If you cannot wait it out like me, I would suggest the galaxy note 2 if the size and price is not a concern for you. I got the international version because it receives updates faster that the American carrier crippled versions.
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The Note 2 is massive! I tried one out but couldn't get used to the size.

I was definitely going to get the One X+ until they announced the N4, which became my preference, With the delay I have looked at the HOX+ again but prefer to wait for the N4, due to price, better SOC, updates.
However if HTC were to announce a WW version of the DNA.............

Rusty! said:
Nexus has more RAM and a much better SoC. There isn't much between the One X and the One X+, and I don't regret changing one bit.
Of you are thinking of HTC I would suggest getting an N4 users ditched one off eBay and saving a bit of cash.
No S-OFF for them, mind, which is gash.
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I completely agree that the SoC is technically better but what's the point if thermals aren't good enough to keep it in check. The iPhone 5 with a dual core processor is performing better than the Nexus 4 which shouldn't be the case.

crawlgsx said:
Well, you could have one before a month so if your in a hurry its a good buy.
Other than that, I wouldn't. Primarily due to the screens HTC uses, but that is personal preference.
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What's wrong with the screen of the one x? Apparently it is as good as the nexus 4 if not better. The only difference being that the one x has more contrast. The only thing i liked about the one x was its amazing screen.

You could wait for a bit and see if the DNA gets released worldwide? The Nexus 4 might be out by then so you can compare

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If you cannot wait it out like me, I would suggest the galaxy note 2 if the size and price is not a concern for you. I got the international version because it receives updates faster that the American carrier crippled versions.
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I seriously gave this a thought and decided the phone is just way too big - I tried putting dummies on my pocket about 10x. It will fit well in your pocket (imo) but since I'm an active dude that's always on the go it's not ideal at all. I need something more mobile that can be tucked in easily. I think I'll set a 5-inch screen as my limit. Beyond that it's an overkill.
Moreso, if the N4 did not exist I would've given the Lumia 920 a try for a change.

I'd say they are on par. But only if the One X+ gets Cyanogenmod 10.
The One X has:
-a better camera
-LTE
-more storage
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-1gb of RAM (WHY HTC?!... WHY?)

ajaffarali said:
Now that I'm officially on the 3 week wait period, I am wondering if the HTC One X+ would be a better buy. Yes, I lose the latest version of Android for now but I'm sure HTC will upgrade it soon. What I do gain is supposedly a better camera and lots more storage. Not sure about the performance and battery life between the two. If price was not an issue, would you chose the One X+?
(Hope this is the correct forum to post this question)
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If they were both the same price: HTC. Seeing as the off contract price of the HTC is double that of the Nexus 4: Nexus.
Backordered baby!

[Q] Nexus 4... worth it?

Hi,
I'm a big Samsung fan, i've had the S1, S2 and currently own the S3..at the moment i'm running cyanogenmod 10.1 and after a few initial misgivings about it's lack of features compared to a sammy touchwiz rom ... i'm really starting to like the aosp feel and look..
Now after a year of owning the S3 i'm getting a bit restless and feel like a change.. the nexus 4 is the phone that's intriguing me most. So I have a really simple question, is it a sensible move to the 4 from the S3.
Carl.

Yes only if non removable battery or SD card is not a problem which I personally don't mind and the camera won't to better but around the same and no lte then I'd say go for it , it does give you a bang for your buck especially with development I use P.A which is awesome
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The main pros of the Nexus 4 that I keep listing anytime I tell people about it are the following:
1. Price. $350 is pretty much half the price of any other competitor to the Nexus 4
2. Pure Android, updated directly from Google. As soon as a new version of Android is released, it's on the Nexus. Google develops Android FOR this device.
3. Design. Glass front and back, it's a solid phone. Looks sleek.
Now, newly-released phones do have slightly better hardware. But we're getting to the point of diminishing returns. We're packing so much hardware into these devices, you'll hard-pressed to find software that actually makes use of it. I think the only debate you should be having is buy the Nexus 4 now, or wait until the next Nexus comes out, possible during the holidays. That isn't to say this phone won't still be a solid phone then, but I can understand if some people wait to buy updated versions.
To answer your question: yes. It is definitely worth it. At $350, it's fiscally irresponsible NOT to buy a Nexus 4. Right now I'm paying $30/mo for a tablet plan on AT&T with 3gb of data. Having weird and crazy options like that don't seem to happen with other phones. I feel like the Nexus 4 is YOUR phone, not 80% your phone, 20% the manufacturer's.
Spoiler alert: I might be a little biased, but c'mon. It's a sweet phone.

No, don't buy a N4. You obviously can't be bothered to research and figure out if this phone is worth it or not. You definitely aren't going to do any other research when you attempt to Root, Rom, and Mod......Buy a different phone and clutter their forums.:silly:

Definitely get the phone. It's worth every penny. Root it and put Franco kernel and you're good for the entire day.
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Before I read everyone else's post I want to say I came from the gs3 had gs2. I would do it again in a heart beat. However it's not a super huge upgrade like it was from gs1 to gs2 or even gs2 to gs3. The software is where I enjoyed the phone the most.
I loved my screen on my gs2 and gs3 on this I wasn't impressed until I got used to it. Now I feel samsung screens have to much pop in the colors
Hope this made sense
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is the phone worth it, hell yeah for 350$ you can't get better. Is it worth it for you? You'll have to answer that question yourself.

tweaked said:
No, don't buy a N4. You obviously can't be bothered to research and figure out if this phone is worth it or not. You definitely aren't going to do any other research when you attempt to Root, Rom, and Mod......Buy a different phone and clutter their forums.:silly:
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Assholes like you are why XDA has a bad reputation with newcomers. People come here FOR research, prick.

Go for it and join in all the fun on XDA! Cool

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Says the guy with one thanks.....
I called no one names But you, on the other hand broke XDA rules. Reported.
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Lol dat butthurt

Well the guy is trying to get perspective from people who actually own the device and use it day to day which is much different than reading any review from someone who might be biased in one way or another.
Maybe the op could have used a different subject or maybe asked what everyone thinks of the phone from actual owners.
Just something to consider before jumping to conclusions
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Not in love with the Nexus 4. Have had it since January when it replaced my SGS2 (T989). I really appreciated not having to search for the least buggy ROM, as the stock was nice but at this point I'm dissatisfied with the Camera, which seems to produce mostly mediocre pictures (sadly, and since my other devices and cameras produce better ones, I'm afraid it's not (usually) operator error); the screen, whose color palate I don't love and whose auto-brightness is chronically dim (which can of course be mostly remedied by not using auto-brightness, though wish I could), and lastly the touch sensitivity, which I may try to adress now—I understand there are fixes. Nevertheless, I'm gonna see what T-Mobile will sell me a SGS4 for...

tweaked said:
No, don't buy a N4. You obviously can't be bothered to research and figure out if this phone is worth it or not. You definitely aren't going to do any other research when you attempt to Root, Rom, and Mod......Buy a different phone and clutter their forums.:silly:
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Perhaps next time if you've got nothing constructive to say, you should just refrain from posting...

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tweaked said:
No, don't buy a N4. You obviously can't be bothered to research and figure out if this phone is worth it or not. You definitely aren't going to do any other research when you attempt to Root, Rom, and Mod......Buy a different phone and clutter their forums.:silly:
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Cheers for the help.. i've read dozens of reviews, spec lists and browsed many forums to get a decent idea of the phone, I thought i'd ask people who may have previously had the Galaxy line of phones and XDA seemed a logical place to do so..
I've been a registered member of this site for probably 2 years and never created a thread before, simply because of the very hostile and condescending attitude of some of the members and BINGO, you did yourself proud mate..
Carl.

N4 is awesome bro get one.i never regretted not buying a note2
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Why make a thread about is it worth it? :thumbdown::thumbdown:
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Everyone having doubts on buying the nexus 6, this is you....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffbVw1BrUDk&feature=youtu.be

Yep, that's everyone at this point. :silly:

To big for me ?
What a shame, I will stay with my Nexus 5 for now and see if we get a smaller option?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffbVw1BrUDk&feature=youtu.be
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LOL.,when they see a display unit all shiney and QHD in a shop they will be all over it!

johnny8910 said:
To big for me
What a shame, I will stay with my Nexus 5 for now and see if we get a smaller option?
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What a shamU!

xsystem1 said:
What a shamU!
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BUT!! Until I have a play with one??

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The part that video leaves out is when the Nexus 6 falls over and crushes and entire city block, killing women, children, and babies, like the Godzilla of phones that it is. (Sponge Bob escapes because he's a sponge, after all, and can re-expand to his normal shape.)
The Nexus 6 is an awesome device and in terms of hardware it's the best Nexus device yet (unless it does not have Motorola's four microphone noise cancellation, from the 2nd Gen Moto X, in which case it will not even been as good as the Nexus One for noise cancellation--the best Nexus device so far on that acount).
But, it's totally legitimate that a lot of people don't want a phablet, let alone a phablet that's even larger than the Note 4. For those who like the size, they're' in luck. For the rest of us, it's a big (nay huge skyscraper crushing) disappointment.

I got over the size, can't get over the price
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the 10mm thickness is not a great feature for a big screen phone. the price just ruins it.

I just don't understand these manufacturers.
I like moto x 2nd gen but small battery & no SD slot..
Then I like N6 BUT way too big...
Can't these people get something perfect or near perfect.. !!!

johnny8910 said:
To big for me ?
What a shame, I will stay with my Nexus 5 for now and see if we get a smaller option?
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Same here ~ Really too big. ~ I believe that 5.5" in note 2 is maximum for a PHONE ~ wait for L update on my Nexus 5

RohanM said:
Can't these people get something perfect or near perfect.. !!!
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Of course they can't, considering it's subjective and will vary from person to person.
The only sure fire way of someone getting something which they think is perfect (or as near to it as possible) is to make it themselves.

Batfink33 said:
LOL.,when they see a display unit all shiney and QHD in a shop they will be all over it!
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Nope. I do not want to carry a brick around. I also doubt the battery will be that good with such a big screen to power...

Nice, I NEED it too!

Honestly I'm really torn. I held off buying opo until this was released and with the price being so high I may just have to grab opo after all.
When I bought my n4 I was so happy with it I swore I would only buy nexus from then on, but now I'm not so sure....

Can't wait to get this big bad boy! Saving my $'s now...and will sell my Nexus5 if I like/keep the Nexus6!

Can't wait to get this either!

I think most of the people who are having doubts are not having those doubts because of the size. We pretty much knew weeks ago that this was going to be a phablet with a screen close to 6". It's the price that shocked people like myself. And as I posted in the other thread, if this had expandable storage, I would probably be all over it regardless of the price. But as it stands, it's a no-go for me.

KidCarter93 said:
Of course they can't, considering it's subjective and will vary from person to person.
The only sure fire way of someone getting something which they think is perfect (or as near to it as possible) is to make it themselves.
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Of course it's true that no phone is perfect, since what people want is subjective. And there are always some people that complaining about some things about every phone.
But, sometimes there are also things that clearly people don't like and manufacturers do it anyway. It's been notable to me that the clear majority of comments here and on many other websites object to the size of this phone. I've never seen such a preponderance of dislike for the design of a new phone before (and I'm not saying that there aren't people that like it, just that it's clear that most people who would normally want the latest Nexus device don't like the huge size of this one). When that happens, I do think a manufacturer is really being tone deaf and shooting themselves in the foot.
Yes, Google wanted a phablet so developers could have it as a reference device, since phablets do make of a significant piece of the market--about 14% world wide right now and growing (they say to 32% by 2018). But that still leaves 86% of the market that doesn't want a phablet and even 68% in 2018 (if the projections turn out to be right). Alienating 86% of the market for the sake of the other 14% doesn't make a ton of sense.
What's more, development of Android is not simply helped by the developers that buy the Nexus phones. The Android fans that buy them and play with custom roms help establish what are new features that people really want. They also are the biggest promoters of Android and important to Google's marketing. So alienating the non-developer Nexus fans is a bad move.
The obvious solution would have been to release two sizes for the Nexus 6 (like the iPhone 6). Since Motorola is already making the 5.2" Moto X using the same design as with the Nexus 6, it would have been pretty simple to have a similar sized smaller Nexus 6, in addition to the phablet.
The other problem is that now we live in a world where only phablets get the best features (e.g. OIS, more memory, more Ram, more LTE bands, the fastest processors, etc.). Apple and Samsung are guilty of this too. You should not have to get a phablet to get a flagship device. The 5"-ish phones should also have the flagship specs.
I think this really is going to backfire for all of the handset makers, eventually. People will be slower to upgrade their phones and that will equal less profits.
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Techngro said:
I think most of the people who are having doubts are not having those doubts because of the size. We pretty much knew weeks ago that this was going to be a phablet with a screen close to 6". It's the price that shocked people like myself. And as I posted in the other thread, if this had expandable storage, I would probably be all over it regardless of the price. But as it stands, it's a no-go for me.
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Honestly, I'm still seeing far more complaints about the size than the price.
A lot of people were holding out hope that it would be smaller or there would be two sizes. The price was a surprise, but for better or worse, the diehard Android fans who buy Nexus devices are mostly willing to shell out the money (especially given the option for installment plans on carriers like T-Mobile). It's clear that Google doesn't want to undercut other Android handset makers anymore, with bargain basement prices and that makes sense from a business point of view. I think people get that, even if they are disappointed.
So in the end, what I'm seeing here and elsewhere is surprise by the price, but disappointment at the size far eclipsing that. People can come up with ways to put together the money, if they want the device. But there's no way to shrink it. An insolvable problem is much more frustrating than a solveable one.
Here, out of curiosity, I made a poll on the size or price question: http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/general/worse-size-price-t2907144

cb474 said:
Of course it's true that no phone is perfect, since what people want is subjective. And there are always some people that complaining about some things about every phone.
But, sometimes there are also things that clearly people don't like and manufacturers do it anyway. It's been notable to me that the clear majority of comments here and on many other websites object to the size of this phone. I've never seen such a preponderance of dislike for the design of a new phone before (and I'm not saying that there aren't people that like it, just that it's clear that most people who would normally want the latest Nexus device don't like the huge size of this one). When that happens, I do think a manufacturer is really being tone deaf and shooting themselves in the foot.
Yes, Google wanted a phablet so developers could have it as a reference device, since phablets do make of a significant piece of the market--about 14% world wide right now and growing (they say to 32% by 2018). But that still leaves 86% of the market that doesn't want a phablet and even 68% in 2018 (if the projections turn out to be right). Alienating 86% of the market for the sake of the other 14% doesn't make a ton of sense.
What's more, development of Android is not simply helped by the developers that buy the Nexus phones. The Android fans that buy them and play with custom roms help establish what are new features that people really want. They also are the biggest promoters of Android and important to Google's marketing. So alienating the non-developer Nexus fans is a bad move.
The obvious solution would have been to release two sizes for the Nexus 6 (like the iPhone 6). Since Motorola is already making the 5.2" Moto X using the same design as with the Nexus 6, it would have been pretty simple to have a similar sized smaller Nexus 6, in addition to the phablet.
The other problem is that now we live in a world where only phablets get the best features (e.g. OIS, more memory, more Ram, more LTE bands, the fastest processors, etc.). Apple and Samsung are guilty of this too. You should not have to get a phablet to get a flagship device. The 5"-ish phones should also have the flagship specs.
I think this really is going to backfire for all of the handset makers, eventually. People will be slower to upgrade their phones and that will equal less profits.
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Honestly, I'm still seeing far more complaints about the size than the price.
A lot of people were holding out hope that it would be smaller or there would be two sizes. The price was a surprise, but for better or worse, the diehard Android fans who buy Nexus devices are mostly willing to shell out the money (especially given the option for installment plans on carriers like T-Mobile). It's clear that Google doesn't want to undercut other Android handset makers anymore, with bargain basement prices and that makes sense from a business point of view. I think people get that, even if they are disappointed.
So in the end, what I'm seeing here and elsewhere is surprise by the price, but disappointment at the size far eclipsing that. People can come up with ways to put together the money, if they want the device. But there's no way to shrink it. An insolvable problem is much more frustrating than a solveable one.
Here, out of curiosity, I made a poll on the size or price question: http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/general/worse-size-price-t2907144
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There's already a poll on r/android and it has quite a few responses (390 at last check). Too expensive is the top reason why people are choosing not to purchase the Nexus 6 (25%). The second highest response is too large (22%).
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1mL...lhMT4pynNPh3BY/viewanalytics?usp=form_confirm (Link to poll)
http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/2jdr40/meta_nexus_device_poll_for_randroid/ (Link to thread)
I'm just saying, we all knew it would be a large screen device, but I don't think anyone guessed it would be $650. That was the real surprise for me.

MKBHD's thoughts on the Nexus 6

He makes some valid points, especially on the price. In summary, he argues that the price isn't outrageous for a number of reasons:
- The specs of this phone are insane and can justify a higher price tag
- The premium build on this phone is unlike any of the previous Nexus devices
- Companies such as Apple and Samsung sell phones that are even more expensive. Nexus 6 is actually a bit cheaper than it's competitors.
- The Nexus 6 is Google's step on becoming mainstream and more premium feeling Stock Android experience
What do you guys think?

All this is true. I think main reason people are pissed is because this is like a complete switch over tight. Go from 4" phones that are 350 to 6" phones that are 1.2x the previous price with no in between ya know? Such as a smaller device with slim down spec and cheaper price. It is true that compare to others it is cheap...but let not forget, lg g3 is cheaper and it gives us just about everything the n6 (32gb) offers (almost) so google really had no excuse

Yeah, I can understand that. Big changes aren't always welcome.
The LG G3 is a great phone but the Nexus 6 has (slightly) newer specs. Of course, this probably won't be noticable at all.
Also, the Nexus 6 has a better design in my opinion even if I loved the G3's design.
Google is just trying something new.

The jump from the Galaxy Nexus to the N4 was just as precipitous, just in the opposite direction. IIRC, the GN was something like $600 when it was released. The VZW on-contract price was $300. It was not cheap at all.

I personally don't care for the price, its not an issue with me because of my career. And honestly, come on, people expected to get such specs and fast charging at 400? lol...come on yall...let be real here. Our economy is inflated that means so will nexus devices

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I personally don't care for the price, its not an issue with me because of my career. And honestly, come on, people expected to get such specs and fast charging at 400? lol...come on yall...let be real here. Our economy is inflated that means so will nexus devices
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Just saying, the fast charging isn't something that costs a lot to implement. Its been there since the LG G2 even the nexus 5 has the hardware but it hasn't been activated for use. Even the new moto x has turbo charging, its part of the 800,801,805 chips.

mgbotoe said:
I personally don't care for the price, its not an issue with me because of my career. And honestly, come on, people expected to get such specs and fast charging at 400? lol...come on yall...let be real here. Our economy is inflated that means so will nexus devices
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I think it just has become an expectation from the Nexus series since the N4 started the whole price reduction thing. Just like No SD Card Support or Removable Battery once something adheres from one generation to the next people assume it will remain that way for Nexus.
As for me, it cannot come out soon enough!

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Dear All,
Yes, the price of the device is not Nexus 5 territory anymore. Google listened to your requests:
1. Larger battery -> Complied.
2. Better speakers. ->Complied.
3. Android 5.0 -> Complied.
4. More screen on time -> Complied.
5. Premium feel -> Complied.
What more can you ask from Google. They met our requests but also added a new direction that they feel will be of best interests for their business model. They are clearly moving towards more mainstream this time as 4 carriers will carry the phone right from the start. Samsung can't have all the fun with the phablet segment so Google and Apple wants a piece of the pie. Apple won't argue with money since Samsung took so many sales from them with the Note series. Google did leave us Nexus owners a bad taste in our mouth since we were use to the bargain price for a well rounded phone. Now, they want to move in another direction. They did keep the N5 active for people waiting for the N6 if they are thinking of upgrading from N4 or other devices. The N5 is the answer if you want a more "one hand friendly" phone and the N5 is a great phone. With the Lollipop soon to be on the phone, it will even get better with battery life and the overall experience.
Finally, if the N6 is right for you... hand over $649 / $699 to Google and enjoy your monster N6. If the N6 doesn't float your boat, the N5 is a great phone (current owner of N5 too) to fill your needs or wait till early spring/summer 2015 for 64-bit flagships to appear in a smaller footprint.

I think I will get Nexus on Verizon. And try it for a year if I don't like it, more 64 bit phones will be out which will present more options. I'm betting that the nexus will have better support a year or two when comparing it to Touchwiz.
My note 2 is starting to feel a bit slow.

Ill admit. I was floored when I saw the price but when you think about it, its not overpriced at all. Im pretty much sold on picking one up and upgrading from my N4. Only thing that would deter me is if reviews are utterly terrible, and something tells me thats not happening

I honestly don't believe they are canning the n5... Kind of like apple having the 6 and 6+

msal said:
He makes some valid points, especially on the price. In summary, he argues that the price isn't outrageous for a number of reasons:
- The specs of this phone are insane and can justify a higher price tag
- The premium build on this phone is unlike any of the previous Nexus devices
- Companies such as Apple and Samsung sell phones that are even more expensive. Nexus 6 is actually a bit cheaper than it's competitors.
- The Nexus 6 is Google's step on becoming mainstream and more premium feeling Stock Android experience
What do you guys think?
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I think it's a tablet. I think that Google and other companies are forgetting that these are phones. It's a ridiculously big phone, and I doubt it's not going to go mainstream. Phone makers need to remember these are portable devices, they keep getting bigger and bigger and are officially in tablet territory now.

Price was never the issue for me. For once it has quite good specs without skimping on stuff but the phone itself is MASSIVE. If I buy one I'll have to buy new clothes.

Semantics said:
I think it's a tablet. I think that Google and other companies are forgetting that these are phones. It's a ridiculously big phone, and I doubt it's not going to go mainstream. Phone makers need to remember these are portable devices, they keep getting bigger and bigger and are officially in tablet territory now.
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I think you're forgetting that every year people complain that phones are getting too big, and yet people continue to buy them happily. Even Apple has seen enough evidence to release Android-sized phones so you know it's obvious if they're changing their plan, stubborn as they are. As mentioned in the video, the Nexus 6 is the same height as the iPhone 6 plus and doesn't appear to be much larger than the Note 4...so don't let the screen-size alone determine your beliefs.
Do you think for one second that if Google is able to achieve sales similar to those of the Samsung Note series that they'll be disappointed? Clearly there is a market for this size phone and it's continuing to grow as people realize bigger is better with phones, despite the drawbacks. That's not to say it's for everyone, so you can continue to choose from one of the many options available at a size/price you prefer.

I wonder what the on contract price will be
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i think considering the s10 x64 processors will be out and be a standard in the s6 and m9 ..etc the n6 isn't worth the price tag.
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djkinetic said:
I honestly don't believe they are canning the n5... Kind of like apple having the 6 and 6+
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well obviously the rumor of them revamping it with higher specs were wrong.

jeffreii said:
I think you're forgetting that every year people complain that phones are getting too big, and yet people continue to buy them happily. Even Apple has seen enough evidence to release Android-sized phones so you know it's obvious if they're changing their plan, stubborn as they are. As mentioned in the video, the Nexus 6 is the same height as the iPhone 6 plus and doesn't appear to be much larger than the Note 4...so don't let the screen-size alone determine your beliefs.
Do you think for one second that if Google is able to achieve sales similar to those of the Samsung Note series that they'll be disappointed? Clearly there is a market for this size phone and it's continuing to grow as people realize bigger is better with phones, despite the drawbacks. That's not to say it's for everyone, so you can continue to choose from one of the many options available at a size/price you prefer.
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Google is never going to encroach on Samsung. Ever. It's futile to try and Nexus devices have never sold well. Bigger is better, until you pass 5.5" or so. When does it stop? 7" phone? 7.5" phone screen? How big do people really need their phone? I can be equally productive on a nexus 5 as I can a nexus 6. Period.

LeVvE said:
Price was never the issue for me. For once it has quite good specs without skimping on stuff but the phone itself is MASSIVE. If I buy one I'll have to buy new clothes.
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I've seen this argument quite a few times now, where exactly did previous Nexus phones "skimp". It seems to be something people are using to justify the high price despite for the past two years everyone saying the nexus was a high end phone for half the price...
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i think considering the s10 x64 processors will be out and be a standard in the s6 and m9 ..etc the n6 isn't worth the price tag.
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I think by the time 64 bit actually matters in phones I will have moved on to the next Nexus, so it's not an issue for me. Like most tech people (I think), I'm not the type of person who keeps the same phone for more than a year or two max.
Semantics said:
Google is never going to encroach on Samsung. Ever. It's futile to try and Nexus devices have never sold well. Bigger is better, until you pass 5.5" or so. When does it stop? 7" phone? 7.5" phone screen? How big do people really need their phone? I can be equally productive on a nexus 5 as I can a nexus 6. Period.
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Google will certainly make a dent considering they are selling this Nexus via all US carriers for the first time...so it doesn't really matter what they did in the past, this is a new era. They definitely won't make a huge dent, but it has a chance to be meaningful.
How can you possibly argue that "bigger is better until you pass 5.5" or so". That's not some magical number that has any real meaning...it's simply your brain deciding that you've had enough, despite the fact that you've never used the Nexus 6. A million people said the same thing when phones moved to 4.7"...then they said it again at 5.0"...then they said it again at 5.2"...they said it about the Note when it came out...and now they're saying the same thing about the Nexus 6...they've been wrong every single time and I see no reason to believe that suddenly this is it.
I think we're probably pushing the limit of how big you want a smartphone, but that's EXACTLY what I want to happen. I want the biggest damn phone that isn't "too big". We won't know what "too big" is until we get there, but I don't believe the Note 4 was too big and we know that the Nexus 6 is not that much bigger..much of the half inch screen size difference is made up for by smaller bezels, which is also something I want to see continue to happen.

jeffreii said:
I think by the time 64 bit actually matters in phones I will have moved on to the next Nexus, so it's not an issue for me. Like most tech people (I think), I'm not the type of person who keeps the same phone for more than a year or two max.
Google will certainly make a dent considering they are selling this Nexus via all US carriers for the first time...so it doesn't really matter what they did in the past, this is a new era. They definitely won't make a huge dent, but it has a chance to be meaningful.
How can you possibly argue that "bigger is better until you pass 5.5" or so". That's not some magical number that has any real meaning...it's simply your brain deciding that you've had enough, despite the fact that you've never used the Nexus 6. A million people said the same thing when phones moved to 4.7"...then they said it again at 5.0"...then they said it again at 5.2"...they said it about the Note when it came out...and now they're saying the same thing about the Nexus 6...they've been wrong every single time and I see no reason to believe that suddenly this is it.
I think we're probably pushing the limit of how big you want a smartphone, but that's EXACTLY what I want to happen. I want the biggest damn phone that isn't "too big". We won't know what "too big" is until we get there, but I don't believe the Note 4 was too big and we know that the Nexus 6 is not that much bigger..much of the half inch screen size difference is made up for by smaller bezels, which is also something I want to see continue to happen.
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Ridiculous. Here's a nice little study you can do at home. Go pick up your Nexus 7 and hold it to your face, or try and put it in your pocket. Think about carrying that thing with you all day long as a phone. There are plenty of examples of what "too big" is, we're there now. You may want your tablet to be a phone, but most professionals need something portable, and easy to carry, that isn't going to require being kept in a backpack. 5.5" phones like the LG G3 are actually still small enough to be considered a phone, I've held the iPhone 6+, trust me, we're there, phones are now too big.