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Why does it seem that with every iteration of Android, we have to revisit workarounds to get 3rd party apps the ability to read/write to external storage? What is the point of having up to 200GB of storage for only native apps to use? I'm not even talking about Adoptive Storage, which is an entirely other ridiculousness. A lot of the apps I use have been fortunately been updated to explicitly ask for permission from the OS, but is there a way to just tell Android to give it up to all apps? Particularly those apps that are slow/no to update?
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P.S. I fully anticipate needing to revisit this nonsense with Android N
The big issue with adoptable storage and running apps from the SD card is speed. This is why Samsung and LG both left it out. If you use an SD card for adoptable storage the whole system will slow down. Then people complain of long startup times for apps. Not realizing that the issue isn't from Android or the phone but from the SD card. If you want to load apps to the SD card you can. But the trade off is slow load times for those apps.
arsmithsr said:
The big issue with adoptable storage and running apps from the SD card is speed. This is why Samsung and LG both left it out. If you use an SD card for adoptable storage the whole system will slow down. Then people complain of long startup times for apps. Not realizing that the issue isn't from Android or the phone but from the SD card. If you want to load apps to the SD card you can. But the trade off is slow load times for those apps.
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Just speaking for myself, I bought the 64gig extreme and moved all apps that would let me including games. Now if I reboot it takes forever to load up everything. But once everything is loaded and it settles down, I only notice a extremely small lag. Barely noticeable. I think your card read/write has everything to do with it. My racing games play flawless.
Granted you know and can tell and you know you did it. Most wouldn't and then would complain of slow speeds. They would also throw a cheap card in there and then wonder why the phone was so slow. I can see why Manufacturers would not put that functionality in there. I work in IT and see these type of things all the time.
I can understand (and live with) the limitation for adoptable storage. However, I do not understand why 3rd party apps (most of them) cannot even write data to sd card while still installed in the internal memory? Be it editing/saving pictures, saving backups, etc. Some applications can workaround it by opening a dialog where you select the sd card and the app is granted a write access to the selected folder on the card. Bot most other apps cannot do that and then fail on writing data there (some of them fail even on reading)
Anyone knows why this stupid idea was implemented and how to work-around it?
Vitore1 said:
I can understand (and live with) the limitation for adoptable storage. However, I do not understand why 3rd party apps (most of them) cannot even write data to sd card while still installed in the internal memory? Be it editing/saving pictures, saving backups, etc. Some applications can workaround it by opening a dialog where you select the sd card and the app is granted a write access to the selected folder on the card. Bot most other apps cannot do that and then fail on writing data there (some of them fail even on reading)
Anyone knows why this stupid idea was implemented and how to work-around it?
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I think I read that it was done for security reasons but it is really a PITA. No solution for that.
Vitore1 said:
I can understand (and live with) the limitation for adoptable storage. However, I do not understand why 3rd party apps (most of them) cannot even write data to sd card while still installed in the internal memory? Be it editing/saving pictures, saving backups, etc. Some applications can workaround it by opening a dialog where you select the sd card and the app is granted a write access to the selected folder on the card. Bot most other apps cannot do that and then fail on writing data there (some of them fail even on reading)
Anyone knows why this stupid idea was implemented and how to work-around it?
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Security, only say around it is for the app developers to update their apps.
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So i noticed recently that while many games and apps i download can be moved to the sd card no problem (riptide 2 for example), there are dozens of big applications that don't seem to have the option to be move (GrooVR for example).
I have a 200gb sd card and only 32gb internal storage so i was hoping to move a LOT more stuff to the external storage. I don't understand why some apps can't be moved. Anyone else experienced this? Is partitioning the card and using adaptive storage the only true way to free up internal space?
I think that may be our only solution without root. I noticed too that some large apps will allow to move to SD card but it doesn't move all the data, it only moved around 125mb and left well over a gig in the internal. Doest work as good as it should imo.
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Apps to SD or Adoptable Storage... I'm torn. My 200GB card should be here tomorrow and I'm not sure how I want it set up just yet. I'm assuming the adoptable option is able to keep more on the card... can anyone verify this though? Searching the forum hasn't helped much.
Just be sure your card has a fast write speed if you're gonna use adoptable storage. Or else there will be slow down on some apps.
I've tried this before but since went back. But im gonna try adoptable again with a 128gb Evo pro plus sd card. It wont be as fast as Samsung internal speeds of course but if its not too bad I'll post an update. I plan on trying it out with some large games.
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Its a good card. Sandisk deal on amazon few weeks back. But does anyone know why i can't move certain non-system apps to sd via settings?
If the issue is write speeds for things like recording video and transferring media files to the phone for playback I'm not concerned. Don't mind waiting to copy files and don't really record video (ever). Now if playback is a big issue (the part I'm not sure about as most reviews hit primarily on write speed concerns) then I'll stick to the old Apps to SD methodology. I'd just like something more seamless and more consistent.
I haven't looked into it yet, but is it a pain to "divorce" a card? Do you pretty much end up resetting everything?
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DRSdroid said:
Its a good card. Sandisk deal on amazon few weeks back. But does anyone know why i can't move certain non-system apps to sd via settings?
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I may be wrong or things may have changed, but initially when this function was introduced the developer had to specifically set a flag that the app was allowed to be moved. Hence the introduction of some utilities which boasted moving even incompatible apps to SD.
cuezaireekaa said:
Just be sure your card has a fast write speed if you're gonna use adoptable storage. Or else there will be slow down on some apps.
I've tried this before but since went back. But im gonna try adoptable again with a 128gb Evo pro plus sd card. It wont be as fast as Samsung internal speeds of course but if its not too bad I'll post an update. I plan on trying it out with some large games.
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Let us know how it works for you. I was trying to avoid it, but i dont think i have a choice. The VR apps are big and most will not move to SD
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Let us know how it works for you. I was trying to avoid it, but i dont think i have a choice. The VR apps are big and most will not move to SD
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Sure.. I might do it this weekend if time permits. I have to back up everything again and factory reset and reinstall all my apps again manually. Damn I miss titanium back up. It and viper are the only things I needed root for..
Wish we could have a working eq on this phone. The default is ok but it could be way better. My note 3 is how I listen to music for now.
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cant move all apps to sd
Well, i maybe know how to move apps(not including system apps) to sd. Most of phones have developer options (if you dont know what is it, u can open it by going to settings, click on about phone, and click 10 on "build number" and then it will be unlocked), in developer options scroll down and look if you have "force allow move to sdcard/external".
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Well, i maybe know how to move apps(not including system apps) to sd. Most of phones have developer options (if you dont know what is it, u can open it by going to settings, click on about phone, and click 10 on "build number" and then it will be unlocked), in developer options scroll down and look if you have "force allow move to sdcard/external".
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Beat me to it
did it worked?
Although ASUS has removed the new Marshmallow option to format the external SD Card as adoptable storage, it can easily be done via adb. Just follow this guide:
http://www.modaco.com/news/android/...e-adoptable-storage-on-your-s7-s7-edge-r1632/
The only difference I found was that on mine the drive location numbers were separated by a comma rather than a colon (i.e. 169,64).
Here is a screenshot of my 16GB model with 16GB SD card adopted:
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Although ASUS has removed the new Marshmallow option to format the external SD Card as adoptable storage, it can easily be done via adb. Just follow this guide:
http://www.modaco.com/news/android/...e-adoptable-storage-on-your-s7-s7-edge-r1632/
The only difference I found was that on mine the drive location numbers were separated by a comma rather than a colon (i.e. 169,64).
Here is a screenshot of my 16GB model with 16GB SD card adopted:
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Thanks that's super useful, I will give this a try and let you know if it works for me, I don't know why ASUS removed this feature as its probably the best feature of marshmallow, anyway I think its recommended to have a minimum of a class 10 SD card when using adoptable storage to ensure there's no slowdown when accessing things on the SD card.
xDEV007 said:
Thanks that's super useful, I will give this a try and let you know if it works for me, I don't know why ASUS removed this feature as its probably the best feature of marshmallow, anyway I think its recommended to have a minimum of a class 10 SD card when using adoptable storage to ensure there's no slowdown when accessing things on the SD card.
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Pretty sure they removed it to keep things simple and because it doesn't work perfectly. Even with a class 10 SD card, it is noticeably slow. I will probably move most, if not all of my apps back to the real internal storage. But that's fine. At least it means I don't have to worry about running out of space, and don't have to manage where podcasts, videos, photos etc are being stored.
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Pretty sure they removed it to keep things simple and because it doesn't work perfectly. Even with a class 10 SD card, it is noticeably slow. I will probably move most, if not all of my apps back to the real internal storage. But that's fine. At least it means I don't have to worry about running out of space, and don't have to manage where podcasts, videos, photos etc are being stored.
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Yeah I guess so and the speed is a big issue, I think you'd probably have to use an UHS SD card to make it work smoothly. But still useful
I agree about the UHS card. And even amongst regular class 10 cards, I understand there is considerable difference. Mine was a cheaper brand and performance is not great, but I'm told that Samsung Evo ones, for example, are better.
Also agree that it is a useful feature. Because it needs some management and user interaction, it's probably wise that makers like Samsung and ASUS have taken it out, as it might cause more harm than good for average users who really need things to just work. However, it's a nice feature for us tech nerd xda types who can handle it appropriately, and it's an easy little hack to enable it so it's all good. And let's be honest, we all enjoy little hidden extra features that we can hacktivate by ourselves!
I swapped out my cheap generic Class 10 SDHC for a better UHS (40 Mbps) Class 10 SDHC one today. The difference is very noticeable - apps on the UHS card open almost instantaneously, unlike on the regular card, where there was a long delay before they opened.
Can someone check the build.prop and tell me what this line says
ro.build.characteristics=
If it says nodscard or similar try changing it to say
ro.build.characteristics=default
And see if that will enable native adoptable storage.
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eoghan2t7 said:
Can someone check the build.prop and tell me what this line says
ro.build.characteristics=
If it says nodscard or similar try changing it to say
ro.build.characteristics=default
And see if that will enable native adoptable storage.
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Code:
adb shell getprop | grep ro.build.characteristics
[ro.build.characteristics]: [nosdcard]
kanagawaben said:
Because it needs some management and user interaction, it's probably wise that makers like Samsung and ASUS have taken it out, as it might cause more harm than good for average users who really need things to just work.
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You're getting it all wrong. It's all about profit. If the manufacturers leave in the option to adopt external storage, knowledgeable consumers will have no reason to spend more $$ and buy the manufacturers' devices with larger internal memory. And yes, it also saves them a lot of support issues with people complaining their phone is slow, when it turns out they are using slow SD cards.
So, it's nice that Google added that feature, but ultimately I believe very few of the really big / mainstream manufacturers will actually not disable it. As was mentioned in many articles around the 'net, this feature is really meant for AndroidOne devices, cheap devices with very little internal memory.
So, could anyone post Sequential Read / Write and Random Read / Write speeds that would allow SD card to match or get close enough to ZenFone 2's internal storage?
It's really hard to choose the right SD card when every article in the Internet literally starts and ends with "class 6 card is worse than class 10 card but they are both ok for Full HD video derpaderp..." I KNOW it's OK for HD-video but that's not THE ONLY THING I am going to do with my SMART-freakin'-phone! We are not 5 years old, we can understand a bit more complicated technical specs than that.
Zhabishe said:
So, could anyone post Sequential Read / Write and Random Read / Write speeds that would allow SD card to match or get close enough to ZenFone 2's internal storage?
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You'll never get close to internal speeds. Even with the fastest cards.
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kenbo111 said:
You'll never get close to internal speeds. Even with the fastest cards.
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Well, if we can trust this article, http://www.anandtech.com/show/9251/the-asus-zenfone-2-review/6 , it doesn't seem like completely unreacheble. But it's hard to compare results from different testing software.
Btw, I don't need something extremely close, all I want is to get apps to launch from SD card within reasonable time.
Non-UHS Class 10 card was useless, but now that I am using the 40 Mbps UHS card, it's not that bad. Apps open reasonably fast and hasn't really behaved any differently. And this was a cheap 16GB card from a Japanese maker called Greenhouse that I picked up on sale for the equivalent of about $7 .
I was able to set up the storage as adoptable on my device, but no apps allow the option to move to the SD card. I'm guessing if I want this to happen I need to uninstall/reinstall the apps, since they go to the most available space by default?
Edit: what about copying over data to store externally on the card? Since it's formatted as internal, of course it doesn't show the card in file explorer apps or in Windows. I've got 28 gigs of media files to copy over from the old card and I'm not sure where to put it.
Hallo.
I've tried to enable adoptable storage and it's success. But after 1 month, my sd card has been crash.
The problem is my (real) internal storage now only can run the app, but can't use to save file, music, video, etc. Even I can't use my camera to take photo, bcz the (real) internal storage is not available.
It's bcz when I enable the adoptable storage, it's separated the (real) internal storage only for save data app, and internal storage (from sdcard) for save data app and also file like music, photo, video, etc.
How to enable my (real) internal storage to save data file like usually?
Plz anyone can help? I really appreciate it.
android 7.1.1 ??
Will this work on zenfone 4 max with android 7.1.1? For ADB tools, I wasn't sure what to answer (Y or N) on some of the installation questions. I said N to system wide and N to install drivers. The instructions above seemed ambiguous that you could say yes or no to skip steps, but not sure if that's why it didn't work for me or if this tutorial was for older phone software. Also I have windows 10 and power shell window not command window. Any help much appreciated!
Is anyone using their Nokia 6 with an SD card?
How does it work? well? Can you move pictures/videos/documents to the SD easily?
what size SD? micro?
Thanks!
I have a 200gb microSD card in my US Nokia 6. All my apps can read files on the card, but because I set it up as removeable storage instead of simulated internal storage (it asks you to choose after you insert the card), only apps that know to request special permission can write to the SD card. Most file managers I've tried can handle writing to it, other apps like text editors are more hit and miss.
I think if I had set it up differently it might work with more apps, but I was worried that would result in it being encrypted and getting cluttered with random data files from every app. If root is ever figured out with this phone then I should be able to have better control of which apps can write to the SD card.
el_mariachi_4 said:
Is anyone using their Nokia 6 with an SD card?
How does it work? well? Can you move pictures/videos/documents to the SD easily?
what size SD? micro?
Thanks!
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It is easy to use. When I taking photo, all image files stock on SDCARD.
thriceberg said:
I have a 200gb microSD card in my US Nokia 6. All my apps can read files on the card, but because I set it up as removeable storage instead of simulated internal storage (it asks you to choose after you insert the card), only apps that know to request special permission can write to the SD card. Most file managers I've tried can handle writing to it, other apps like text editors are more hit and miss.
I think if I had set it up differently it might work with more apps, but I was worried that would result in it being encrypted and getting cluttered with random data files from every app. If root is ever figured out with this phone then I should be able to have better control of which apps can write to the SD card.
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Can it read more than 200gb? I'm thinking of shelling 256gb max but might go for 128gb or 200gb for sandisk as I have files need to be moved. I keep looking at websites that the phone can only support of upto 128gb. thank you
I'm using a class 10 32GB SanDisk SD card with mine and it runs smoothly. I can move a lot of files at once to it and expect transactions to be generally quick. Make sure to set it up as external media otherwise you'd simply be merging the card with your internal storage and won't be able to control what goes into your card. Root is a must for this phone it seems.
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lambdaxi said:
Root is a must for this phone it seems.
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It's a must for most phones... Pity there's no ay to do it with the locked bootloader...
Hi All,
I would like to know from You if you there's a way to improve the Halo Keyboard on Lenovo Yoga Book Windows edition, as well, the SD Card reader.
During these weeks, I've noticed two annoying issues.
1. Halo Keyboard: the touch mouse pad sometime goes off
2. SD Card Reader: I've installed an SD 64Gb card to put in place only documents files, I've tried several combination of file system format: NTFS, FAT32 and XFAT but in all cases, the access on files it's really slow, sometime freeze the "computer", and sometime the file cannot be opened due to several code error like time out expired and so on. The cards tested are both MicroSDXC kingstone and Trascend Premium 300x UHS-I Grade 1, Class 10.
3. there's a way to improve and speed up CPU?
There's lot of discussions on Lenovo Forum but no relevant solution or fix.
Thanks in advance,
all my best to all
Trillian said:
1. Halo Keyboard: the touch mouse pad sometime goes off
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It's a feature. Not a bug. The mouse pad deactivates while you are typing to avoid unwanted mouse movements. Just tap the white circle inside the touch pad to revive it...
There is an App to modify your Touchpad area https://forum.xda-developers.com/yoga-book/themes/yoga-book-touch-pad-setting-application-t3569836
Trillian said:
2. SD Card Reader: I've installed an SD 64Gb card to put in place only documents files, I've tried several combination of file system format: NTFS, FAT32 and XFAT but in all cases, the access on files it's really slow, sometime freeze the "computer", and sometime the file cannot be opened due to several code error like time out expired and so on. The cards tested are both MicroSDXC kingstone and Trascend Premium 300x UHS-I Grade 1, Class 10.
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UHS Class 1 is probably $5 saved at the wrong place as it only supports 10MBs
I have a UHS 3 V60 and it's doing pretty awesome... I mean a SD Card will never be able to compete with a SSD harddisk. Therefore never ever install Applications on it. Use your drive C: for Apps and the SD just for the Data
Trillian said:
3. there's a way to improve and speed up CPU?
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You can't overclock Atom's nor does the BIOS allow changes of the DDR Bus Speed.
There are several settings and tweaks you could change under Windows to improve your general impression. But understand this would be to extensive to list here. There are endless of Websites which explain you how to tweak Windows.
Thanks a lot @jamespmi, I'll do it some test right now.
You provide me a good input and suggestion, I was aware about the Halo function but I was not aware about the program mentioned in your post.
Thx again