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PLEASE MAKE STICKY - Rogers GT-P7500R is NOT an actual 4G device!!!

Hi All,
For ALL my Canadian brethren here in the wonderful world of Galaxy Tab goodness, I wish to advise you (some of you may already know) that we are essentially being LIED to by Rogers (and other Canadian carriers) and our devices are NOT true 4G (LTE) devices but are really GLORIFIED 3G/3.5G units.
See the attached pics and you will see that my box for my tab CLEARLY states that it is a 4G Tablet but again I repeat... IT IS NOT!!!
I don't believe that we here in Canada actually have a true 4G / LTE provider and as such Rogers, Bell and Telus have been marketing 3.5G HSPA+ (21+Mbps) Devices as 4G which is unfortunately just NOT true considering that REAL 4g / LTE devices are capable of upwards of 75+ Mbps.
I write this as I wish to help ensure that people who are trying to ROOT and flash new ROMS are NOT using the wrong files and thus BRICKING there new toys!!!
Please ensure that you follow the steps / guides for the 3G units when ROOTING, FLASHING, etc and you will be fine (as long as you read the instructions and know what you are doing).
Please MOD... Make this STICKY!!!
Thanks...

yiannisthegreek said:
Hi All,
For ALL my Canadian brethren here in the wonderful world of Galaxy Tab goodness, I wish to advise you (some of you may already know) that we are essentially being LIED to by Rogers (and other Canadian carriers) and our devices are NOT true 4G (LTE) devices but are really GLORIFIED 3G/3.5G units.
See the attached pics and you will see that my box for my tab CLEARLY states that it is a 4G Tablet but again I repeat... IT IS NOT!!!
I don't believe that we here in Canada actually have a true 4G / LTE provider and as such Rogers, Bell and Telus have been marketing 3.5G HSPA+ (21+Mbps) Devices as 4G which is unfortunately just NOT true considering that REAL 4g / LTE devices are capable of upwards of 75+ Mbps.
I write this as I wish to help ensure that people who are trying to ROOT and flash new ROMS are NOT using the wrong files and thus BRICKING there new toys!!!
Please ensure that you follow the steps / guides for the 3G units when ROOTING, FLASHING, etc and you will be fine (as long as you read the instructions and know what you are doing).
Please MOD... Make this STICKY!!!
Thanks...
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Nothing new. The t-mobile usa tab 10.1 is advertised as 4g and is HSPA+ 42Mb. 7500 roms still work with it. (Im using it now. Only difference between tmobile stock rom and others is tmo shows 4g while others shows H)

djdanska said:
Nothing new. The t-mobile usa tab 10.1 is advertised as 4g and is HSPA+ 42Mb. 7500 roms still work with it. (Im using it now. Only difference between tmobile stock rom and others is tmo shows 4g while others shows H)
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Yup... Rogers stock ROM also showed as 4G but I have since flashed to AOKP and it now shows as H as well...

yiannisthegreek said:
Yup... Rogers stock ROM also showed as 4G but I have since flashed to AOKP and it now shows as H as well...
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Rogers has never ONLY called LTE as "4G", "4G" under the "older" definition as HSPA+, while LTE was called "beyond 4G". So there was no lie.
btw, if you are on "LTE", it would show "LTE" at the status bar. (as shown in Galaxy S 2 LTE, Galaxy Note LTE, and HTC Jetstream LTE). None of Rogers LTE devices were given naming convention with "4G" but "LTE"
yiannisthegreek said:
Hi All,
For ALL my Canadian brethren here in the wonderful world of Galaxy Tab goodness, I wish to advise you (some of you may already know) that we are essentially being LIED to by Rogers (and other Canadian carriers) and our devices are NOT true 4G (LTE) devices but are really GLORIFIED 3G/3.5G units.
See the attached pics and you will see that my box for my tab CLEARLY states that it is a 4G Tablet but again I repeat... IT IS NOT!!!
I don't believe that we here in Canada actually have a true 4G / LTE provider and as such Rogers, Bell and Telus have been marketing 3.5G HSPA+ (21+Mbps) Devices as 4G which is unfortunately just NOT true considering that REAL 4g / LTE devices are capable of upwards of 75+ Mbps.
I write this as I wish to help ensure that people who are trying to ROOT and flash new ROMS are NOT using the wrong files and thus BRICKING there new toys!!!
Please ensure that you follow the steps / guides for the 3G units when ROOTING, FLASHING, etc and you will be fine (as long as you read the instructions and know what you are doing).
Please MOD... Make this STICKY!!!
Thanks...
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According to International Telecommunication Union, HSPA+ is classified as 4G.
http://www.itu.int/net/pressoffice/press_releases/2010/48.aspx

Hi there, not sure why you think the Galaxy Tab is not 4G. Mine states 4G when it's connected to the 4G network and I'm in Windsor where 4G has just been introduced and hopefully LTE, since my SGS II is LTE. Trust me I know how slow 3G is compared to 4G and this device is 4G. Maybe someone should do a speed test to show that it is in fact 4G or H+.

the galaxy tab doesn't have an LTE chip inside (unless you have a Verizon version). you're probably experiencing HSPA+, gdmuscle.

gdmuscle said:
Hi there, not sure why you think the Galaxy Tab is not 4G. Mine states 4G when it's connected to the 4G network and I'm in Windsor where 4G has just been introduced and hopefully LTE, since my SGS II is LTE. Trust me I know how slow 3G is compared to 4G and this device is 4G. Maybe someone should do a speed test to show that it is in fact 4G or H+.
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If you read my OP you will understand why I wrote it. TRUE 4G as I understand it is based on LTE however I do also know that here in Canada HSPA+ IS considered 4g as well which is weird and confusing.
Also... If you noticed in my OP you will see that I wanted to warn users about ROOTING and Flashing ROMS, etc as on the Rogers version of the GTAB we MUST use the 3G ROOT method and flash ROMS for the 3G version of the Tablet and NOT the 4G/LTE ROMS, etc or we will brick our devices.
The only 4G/LTE TAB on the market is the Verizon version. Our boxes, etc state 4G so I can see (and have seen some here) people getting confused and try to ROOT with the wrong method and flash the wrong ROMS.
I just want to make it clear and easy for people which is why I posted this thread.

yiannisthegreek said:
If you read my OP you will understand why I wrote it. TRUE 4G as I understand it is based on LTE however I do also know that here in Canada HSPA+ IS considered 4g as well which is weird and confusing.
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Correction: The Current LTE being used was NOT considered 4g until they allowed HSPA+ and this current version of LTE to be considered 4g. Until then, LTE Advanced was the ONLY true 4g, which is not in deployed yet from what i understand.
So, based on the original rules, NOBODY ANYWHERE has a 4g tab 10.1. lmao!

djdanska said:
Correction: The Current LTE being used was NOT considered 4g until they allowed HSPA+ and this current version of LTE to be considered 4g. Until then, LTE Advanced was the ONLY true 4g, which is not in deployed yet from what i understand.
So, based on the original rules, NOBODY ANYWHERE has a 4g tab 10.1. lmao!
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There is no commercial "4g" networks anywhere; the wireless companies realized--or rather the marketers realized--you can't sell many devices branded "3.5g". Once one company started calling it 4g, all the others had to follow suit. Even LTE networks are actually 3g (or "3.5g"). Until they can get 1gbps stationary (or 100mbps non-stationary), none of them will actually be 4g; but I guarantee the marketers don't care about that... I'm guessing the tech will actually be "3g" for what the marketers will call "5g"... No big deal, it's just a name anyways. Also, if you think this is the most dishonest thing the marketers are pushing on you, well....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G
So the sky isn't falling; you might want to take the stuff in capital letters out of the thread title...

Reminds me of Seinfeld...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn_PSJsl0LQ
Sent from my SCH-I905 using Tapatalk

jus rooted a p7500r thinking it was 4g with the rooting process of a 4g .now its looping.shuld i flash it with the p7500r 3g files as u say in ur post

well isnt this wonderful...

It is as 4g as hspa+ is 4g.
Sent from my GT-P7500R using XDA

[Q] problem with OMEGA Rom for galaxy s4

i installed Omega rom for my galaxy s4 At&t and everything is working perfect there is only one annoying thing that is going on and it is that everytime i reboot my system if i have a custom wallpaper or the lockscreen different it will reset it to the omega wallpaper... the other thing is that even though i change and apn and everything it is still showing 4g instead of lte please i need help thank you

elvis0288 said:
i installed Omega rom for my galaxy s4 At&t and everything is working perfect there is only one annoying thing that is going on and it is that everytime i reboot my system if i have a custom wallpaper or the lockscreen different it will reset it to the omega wallpaper... the other thing is that even though i change and apn and everything it is still showing 4g instead of lte please i need help thank you
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it is lte if your area has it, do a speed test and see.

I'll repost my reply in a similar thrèad.
It's not so much as "LTE" isn't big in Europe, it's actually more... political than you would think. The american carriers jumped on calling their 3.5g networks "4g" because they could achieve 5Mbps using slightly tweaked 3g hardware. (which was much faster than the carriers's 3g networks) In america, "LTE" is the same as "4g" everywhere else, because internationally, there were no marketing politics to call HSPA+ "4g". AT&T, Tmobile, and Sprint all lied to you when they advertised 4G, they were simply using 3g technology that could access enhanced 3g signal. I will forever call HSPA+ 3.5G, because that's semantically what it really is.
"LTE" is the formal name for 4G in the rest of the world that does not have marketing politics that lied to you about HSPA+ being "4G". 4G in the rest of the world means LTE, not HSPA+, not DC-HSPA (Tmobile's 4g liar network).
On that note, 4G isn't too common in Europe because the carriers are still negotiating the way in which it will operate. It has to do with the internet capabilities of Europe (as a whole) more than anything else, because fast internet isn't really a priority in Europe as it is in Japan or Korea (or somewhat as it is in the US and Germany)
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xxhorseriderxxx said:
I'll repost my reply in a similar thrèad.
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ok that one is done my big issue is that every time i reboot i lost my lock screen widget and my live wallpaper and reset to omega default one and i want to be able to custom that and not because i reboot i will lost that any ideas?

[Q] New to me 3G status of data?

Google store Nexus 4 on T-Mobile pre-pay plan. Stock Android 4.4.4.
My statuses for mobile data were either 'H', or nothing at all (just bars). For the first time ever I am seeing a '3G' mobile data icon in the bar but I don't think the phone has been updated or changed in any other way - I'm not really concerned as much as puzzled as to what is different now.

FightingChance said:
Google store Nexus 4 on T-Mobile pre-pay plan. Stock Android 4.4.4.
My statuses for mobile data were either 'H', or nothing at all (just bars). For the first time ever I am seeing a '3G' mobile data icon in the bar but I don't think the phone has been updated or changed in any other way - I'm not really concerned as much as puzzled as to what is different now.
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H is hspa(or HSPA+), i dont remember if the n4 has an H+ for hspa+. anyways, that is 3G, but a faster version, like 3.5G. H+ is faster than H, and consists of data download speeds near LTE speeds, but slower upload than LTE. so if you are seeing a 3G now, then youre on a slower network.

simms22 said:
H is hspa(or HSPA+), i dont remember if the n4 has an H+ for hspa+. anyways, that is 3G, but a faster version, like 3.5G. H+ is faster than H, and consists of data download speeds near LTE speeds, but slower upload than LTE. so if you are seeing a 3G now, then youre on a slower network.
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I know what the speeds/radios are and what they mean; I wasn't clear enough in my question then.
For the life of this phone on T-Mobile, they've elected to show either 'H' or nothing at all to denote the lower tier GSM connectivity; I'm wondering why, now, they (or some firmware update to the towers, or ?) have elected to start putting '3G' on the status. I've just never had it before. Can others on T-Mo speak to this?

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I know what the speeds/radios are and what they mean; I wasn't clear enough in my question then.
For the life of this phone on T-Mobile, they've elected to show either 'H' or nothing at all to denote the lower tier GSM connectivity; I'm wondering why, now, they (or some firmware update to the towers, or ?) have elected to start putting '3G' on the status. I've just never had it before. Can others on T-Mo speak to this?
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because ot wasnt in your area befote, but it is now? no one can really answer the question, as each of us have unique situations. maybe a neighbor or someone that lives nearby can answer.

[Q] Verizon LG G2 to T-mobile LTE?

I have read a lot already on this site about my issue just wanted to clear up a few unanswered questions.
I am looking to switch from Verizon to t-mobile because of prices and terrible reception where I'm living in Riverside Ca. So I know that I can simply put in a t-mobile sim and change to the correct gsm settings and get cell reception (correct me if I'm wrong) but what about getting LTE from t-mobile? I have looked to see if the new 700 mhz band covers here and Ventura County Ca. (where I am when I'm not in Riverside) and it does so I should get LTE without having to put in a custom Rom, correct?
I'm a novice when coming to roms (plus a failed attempt) so i would like to avoid them as much as I can. Will do it if I have to though... All about saving $$$$
Thanks for the replies.

@mjmjpfaff
I know what your saying about saving $$$ phones these days are almost the half of a old car/price of a motorcycle.
If your Verizon phone is not simlocked and also has support for the LTE bands which T-Mobile is using then it's possible to get LTE working without the need to buy another phone. If it's mentioned on internet on multiple sites that the G2 supports that LTE band then you can get it without a custom rom.
In my eyes it's possible to have working LTE from T-Mobile on your verizon phone, but to be 100% sure I would contact Verizon support about your question.
I also had many fail attempts with custom roms first but after you get how it works, you can flash anything as smooth as butter:good:
you could also wait for a VS980 G2 user who had the same issue as you but I think that it would take you more time awaiting for a reaction from somebody since not many people are browsing the Q&A section.

wulsic said:
@mjmjpfaff
I know what your saying about saving $$$ phones these days are almost the half of a old car/price of a motorcycle.
If your Verizon phone is not simlocked and also has support for the LTE bands which T-Mobile is using then it's possible to get LTE working without the need to buy another phone. If it's mentioned on internet on multiple sites that the G2 supports that LTE band then you can get it without a custom rom.
In my eyes it's possible to have working LTE from T-Mobile on your verizon phone, but to be 100% sure I would contact Verizon support about your question.
I also had many fail attempts with custom roms first but after you get how it works, you can flash anything as smooth as butter:good:
you could also wait for a VS980 G2 user who had the same issue as you but I think that it would take you more time awaiting for a reaction from somebody since not many people are browsing the Q&A section.
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I found this on another thread:
"I just switched from a Verizon Galaxy Note 2 to the G2 since all I can get from it with t-mobile is H+ speeds (about 4mbs-6mbs). I inserted the t-mobile sim into the verizon g2 and it automatically switched to global mode and I then went in to edit the apn settings to fast.t-mobile.com. 4G LTE is working just fine on stock rom kitkat update (I'm in L.A. suburb). Speeds range from 15mbs to 30mbs+ depending on where I am in the city. Here are some screenshots"
This guy is pretty much in my area and sounds like he did not do anything other switch in a t-mobile sim...
( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2609607&page=4 --> first post on that page)
I will DM him to get some more insight.
Thanks for your reply.

I'm using my droid mini on tmobile and am getting LTE speeds. You should see them if you're in an area where the network was refarmed to 1900mhz
Keep in mind the fastest speeds you will see is 21Mbps unless you swap for the Tmobile Verizon which goes up to 42Mbps and higher.

tiguy99 said:
I'm using my droid mini on tmobile and am getting LTE speeds. You should see them if you're in an area where the network was refarmed to 1900mhz
Keep in mind the fastest speeds you will see is 21Mbps unless you swap for the Tmobile Verizon which goes up to 42Mbps and higher.
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What area or state are you in if you don't mind me a asking?

Chicago area

Hi I too am using t-mobile on a VS980 and with CM11 and Cloudyg3, I am able to get LTE through their automated APN settings!

Gettint H+ instead of LTE

Hey guys I have a question, I'm upgrading from a Nexus 6p. On my current provider I have be reviewing LTE on my Nexus I just got my one plus 5 and now I only get h+. Is there some system devices in the devices that allows the Nexus to interpret the h+ as LTE ? Kinda hate seeing the h+ in the corner there.

biglo said:
Hey guys I have a question, I'm upgrading from a Nexus 6p. On my current provider I have be reviewing LTE on my Nexus I just got my one plus 5 and now I only get h+. Is there some system devices in the devices that allows the Nexus to interpret the h+ as LTE ? Kinda hate seeing the h+ in the corner there.
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You're not getting LTE... 4G should be displayed for LTE.

Have you updated to 4.5.5 already? 4.5.4 was a fix for vodafone NL users with this exact problem.
Please share country and provider.

Hey guys sorrry for the late reply. I have the latest version of OOS 4.5.5. current country is Turks and Caicos Islands and provider is Flow.

Do you know what LTE bands your carrier uses?

ultramag69 said:
You're not getting LTE... 4G should be displayed for LTE.
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Mine shown "LTE" for LTE, not 4G. I get the H+ when on HSPA+ (TMobile here, FTR).
I don't think I've ever seen "4G". Maybe it's because TMo has multiple technologies it markets as 4G, so it's ambiguous.

Koodo in Canada also displays 4G+ for LTE. But if on a Telus SIM (same network as Koodo) it shows up as LTE. Speeds are the same. Looks like the OnePlus database for carriers is not really up to date.

sirtrini said:
Koodo in Canada also displays 4G+ for LTE. But if on a Telus SIM (same network as Koodo) it shows up as LTE. Speeds are the same. Looks like the OnePlus database for carriers is not really up to date.
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Yeah this is what I'm thinking is going on.

yubimusubi said:
Mine shown "LTE" for LTE, not 4G. I get the H+ when on HSPA+ (TMobile here, FTR).
I don't think I've ever seen "4G". Maybe it's because TMo has multiple technologies it markets as 4G, so it's ambiguous.
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Sorry, I meant for my country. I live in Oz, here we have 4G.
If LTE/4G was working properly for the OP then either LTE or 4G should be displayed, NOT H+ which is HSDPA (3G) here in Australia.

yubimusubi said:
Mine shown "LTE" for LTE, not 4G. I get the H+ when on HSPA+ (TMobile here, FTR).
I don't think I've ever seen "4G". Maybe it's because TMo has multiple technologies it markets as 4G, so it's ambiguous.
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Yes I remember I had an HTC One device and when I used it with my carrier I would always get the H+ but when I flashed a rom and selected Tmobile as my carrier the 4G icon showed up for me. I wish I knew where to go to alter these settings to have the H+ show up as LTE or 4G for me like tmobile does or like my Nexus device did. (Even if its fake lol)

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Do you know what LTE bands your carrier uses?
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Ok I had some time to do some research today after work and found out the cold hard truth. My carriers LATE band is 13 which is not supported on this device. FML

biglo said:
Ok I had some time to do some research today after work and found out the cold hard truth. My carriers LATE band is 13 which is not supported on this device. FML
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Yeah, it sucks, that's the main band missing for Verizon as well.

geoff5093 said:
Yeah, it sucks, that's the main band missing for Verizon as well.
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Yeah I just noticed that after all this searching around, WTF kind of dumb move is that to alienate all those version users like that. Smh the reason why I didn't even take the time out to see if my band was included before purchasing was because of the news the released about how much more LATE bands they were including with this model.