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Does anyone here have an HD2 with stock TMO USA ROM in one of TMO's HSPA+ coverage areas? Does the signal indicator remain 3G, or does it switch to the H icon?
I'm not asking for users of cooked ROMs, since we all know the icons can differ depending on what the chef choose to use on their ROM.
i'm in the 904, and mine switches between 3g and h. if i'm in the living room, it stays on h, in the bedroom 3g.
mr8820 said:
i'm in the 904, and mine switches between 3g and h. if i'm in the living room, it stays on h, in the bedroom 3g.
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My connection icon goes back and forth between 3G and H a lot, usually flipping to H whenever I connect and am actively passing data, then back to 3G when the connection is on but idle.
I am using a stock ROM, but...I'm using aftermarket taskbar icons for notifications like that. I understand that the stock notification icons don't ever seem to switch to H, only once you have some non-stock icons there does that happen. I don't remeber mine ever switching before I added the new icons.
Honestly though I don't think it does much more right now than let you know you've got a HSPA+ capable link between you and the tower...but from what I've read T-mobile still hasn't yet flipped the switch on the backhaul elements (from the tower to the network) on most of the towers that are ready for it.
EDIT: Also, have you made sure that you have HSDPA enabled in your phone settings?
I am also in Jacksonville Florida (904) I have a cooked ROM, there is a huge difference between the two. So trust me when I say the towers around here are very much active.
Jamison904 said:
I am also in Jacksonville Florida (904) I have a cooked ROM, there is a huge difference between the two. So trust me when I say the towers around here are very much active.
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Ok awesome then. I'd heard they were still dragging their feet on it, but a small number of places were already feeling the joy
I just ran across this article, which describes a recent release from Tmo listing the markets that already have HSPA+ turned on, and those that are coming next:
http://www.tmonews.com/2010/05/hspa-update/
mr8820 said:
i'm in the 904, and mine switches between 3g and h. if i'm in the living room, it stays on h, in the bedroom 3g.
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Actually I was digging on this a little more, and saw a thread on ppcgeeks about it that you had posted in lol.
Reading that and some others, it seems that there's a bit of confusion (I was too)...what Tmo has already enabled on the network now is HSPA 7.2, which is not exactly the same thing as the HSPA+ (theoretical limits over 54Mbps). HSPA+ is what's being tested and exists in a few cities now, more coming 2nd half of this year.
I've read confirmation that the HD2 is HSPA 7.2-capable, but I've found nowhere that says for sure that it's able to use HSPA+...lot's of speculation, no hard confirmation. I have however seen several indications that no phones in Tmo's current lineup have the HSPA+ secret sauce
Yeah ive also read that the radio in the HD2 is only HSPA 7.2, here's hoping that at least the the HSPA+ roll out will allow us to make full use of the 7.2 megabits it can pull down.
Question though, if TMO's tower radios are software updatable to HSPA+ then why couldn't the HD2 or any other phone's radio be software updatable to HSPA+ as well?
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I am also in Jacksonville Florida (904) I have a cooked ROM, there is a huge difference between the two. So trust me when I say the towers around here are very much active.
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is the 560kbps in your sig what you're regularly seeing on TMO up there in Jacksonville? cause i don't have much trouble hitting a megabit per second at times here in Tampa.
I hate living in Utah. We are always the last to get these fast speeds.
i live in long beach, ca. and work at the port of los angeles. in these areas, i get a mixture of edge, 3g, and HSPA.
Specifically, I get a mixture of Edge and HSPA here at home. I get mostly HSPA when I'm driving outside the house locally.
I get mostly HSPA and a little 3g mixture at work.
I get a good mix of H, 3G and E in my area....im in Jersey..less than 10 minutes from NYC
Weird thing is i was getting HSPA (The H symbol on the signal strength thingy) since a month back. I am in the 818 area (Los Angeles - The valley)
im in the philadelphia market area where it started and with the shipped rom my device was in 3g mode all the time didnt notice that it was on h mode till i put on a cooked rom now i never see the 3g icon its always in h but the 3g will come and go to h as it pleases depending on location and if the hspa covers that area
Guys there is a difference between HSPA+ and HSDPA/HSUPA..
HSDPA/HSUPA is capable of maximum speeds of 7.2 mbps, but HSPA+ is theoretically capable of maximum speeds of 56 mbps, ofcourse us end users never see anything near the maximum. Optimistically it should increase the AVERAGE throughput or download speed for us on HSDPA as the backend at the cell towers will have much more capabilities.
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Guys there is a difference between HSPA+ and HSDPA/HSUPA..
HSDPA/HSUPA is capable of maximum speeds of 7.2 mbps, but HSPA+ is theoretically capable of maximum speeds of 56 mbps, ofcourse us end users never see anything near the maximum. Optimistically it should increase the AVERAGE throughput or download speed for us on HSDPA as the backend at the cell towers will have much more capabilities.
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Very true, and commonly confused by many.
Although HSPA7.2 is technically already available in all of T-Mobile's existing 3G markets, like inf3rno said those with compatible handsets (HD2, etc) probably won't see everything it can deliver until the HSPA+ capable backend is turned up on your local towers.
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Very true, and commonly confused by many.
Although HSPA7.2 is technically already available in all of T-Mobile's existing 3G markets, like inf3rno said those with compatible handsets (HD2, etc) probably won't see everything it can deliver until the HSPA+ capable backend is turned up on your local towers.
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I keep getting conflicting answers. Is the t-mobile HD2 HSPA+ capable? Either now or with future rom updates? I am very curious.
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I keep getting conflicting answers. Is the t-mobile HD2 HSPA+ capable? Either now or with future rom updates? I am very curious.
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I too am keeping my eyes open for a more solid answer to that question. The most believeable-sounding one I've seen so far indicates that NO current hardware is HSPA+ capable (including the HD2), not until certain new models are released later this year (and no, I didn't see any sign of which exact ones will have that).
So, I'm expecting to not fully benefit from HSPA+ (as opposed to HSPA7.2)....but I could certainly be wrong, and would love it if I were!
7.2 is fine with me. 21 or less would be great, but can't get everything. Besides, i would not expect to reach anywhere near 21 megs down. Or i won't believe it until i see proof or see it in person. lol.
I'm in NYC, have HD2 stock rom pluse cookies home tab.
i did mobile speed test, and speedtest . i get 1847kbps down and 650kbps up. ive never seen a H on my handset but i get faster then hspda speeds. the other night i got 9 mbps down and 4mbps up.
on tmobiles site it advertises that all the new-ish phones have the ability to use HSPA+ do i need to change my APNs on The Aria ROM??? if so What Are the new APNs
You will never be able to use HSPA+ on a Slide, T-Mobile does not claim that you will be able to either.
t-mobile does claim that you can, and you can. i have experienced 6 times faster speed since they turned on the tower near my place. i have HSPA+ at home and now average 3.5-4.5 Mbps rather than the .8 Mbps i had with standard 3G. my apn says epc.tmobile.com i do not know if there are other settings needed, but i am using CM6RC1 and getting phenomenal speeds(compared to some friends that have EVO on 4G)
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t-mobile does claim that you can, and you can. i have experienced 6 times faster speed since they turned on the tower near my place. i have HSPA+ at home and now average 3.5-4.5 Mbps rather than the .8 Mbps i had with standard 3G. my apn says epc.tmobile.com i do not know if there are other settings needed, but i am using CM6RC1 and getting phenomenal speeds(compared to some friends that have EVO on 4G)
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That's cause sprint's "4G" is not as fast as Tmo's HSPA+...There was an article on their speeds on engadget.
that jappened to be my point, i was stating that t-mo was better(faster) and that r0manz was wrong
tubaking182 said:
that jappened to be my point, i was stating that t-mo was better(faster) and that r0manz was wrong
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I'm not wrong.
There are no HSPA+ phones presently being sold in the United States, that being said you can get up to 7.2mbps on T-Mobile HSPA network at present on the Vibrant, Slide, and others
He's right they can take advantage of the speeds, but are not actually HSPA+ phones, the first one will be the t-mobile G2 as announced by t-mobile.
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What about a HSPA++ Phone?
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This HSPA+ has been pretty awesome..Out of every person I know that has tmobile and a 3G enabled phone I have been the only one able to pick it up and my wife has the Vibrant, plus several others that I know with the Slide and other android phones... It started about a week ago when I first noticed that 3G turn into an H. I am running the latest CyanogenMod and I have not altered any settings on my phone whatsoever. The only thing I have been able to come up with is that its because of the Froyo ROM... Anyone agree?? But this s**t is great! I ran a speedtest while I was at work yesterday and I almost got a 6 Mbps connection and a 1.5 Mbps upload while connected to the HSPA network!!!
But like others said earlier in the thread our Slides will not be able to take full advantage of the HSPA+ speeds and will never be able to...but Ill take it because its just not everyday that a cell phone provider gives you 6x speed boost and doesn't charge you extra for it... GO T-MOBILE!!!
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This HSPA+ has been pretty awesome..Out of every person I know that has tmobile and a 3G enabled phone I have been the only one able to pick it up and my wife has the Vibrant, plus several others that I know with the Slide and other android phones... It started about a week ago when I first noticed that 3G turn into an H. I am running the latest CyanogenMod and I have not altered any settings on my phone whatsoever. The only thing I have been able to come up with is that its because of the Froyo ROM... Anyone agree?? But this s**t is great! I ran a speedtest while I was at work yesterday and I almost got a 6 Mbps connection and a 1.5 Mbps upload while connected to the HSPA network!!!
But like others said earlier in the thread our Slides will not be able to take full advantage of the HSPA+ speeds and will never be able to...but Ill take it because its just not everyday that a cell phone provider gives you 6x speed boost and doesn't charge you extra for it... GO T-MOBILE!!!
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I'm pretty sure the only reason you're getting the "H" instead of the "3G" logo is because in the CyanogenMOD 6 Stable release, the "3G" graphic was replaced with the "H".
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I'm pretty sure the only reason you're getting the "H" instead of the "3G" logo is because in the CyanogenMOD 6 Stable release, the "3G" graphic was replaced with the "H".
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I have not used froyo on the SLide, the "H" icon is included with every rom but if cyan changed the name of the H icon to replace 3G then it would make sense, but i doubt he would do that to trick people. Every rom has the H icon in the framework folder.
He did not replace it, I am running a CM6 rom and in certain areas I will pick up HSPA, but in most places I go in Huntsville, AL its 3G signal, with the 3G icon showing in my status bar.
There is also a noticable difference in browsing and download speeds when I am able to pull HSPA, so its not just displaying it in error.
On the stock ROM you never see the "H" icon, but if I look in About Phone -> Network I often see "HSDPA" under mobile network type. I assume T-Mobile has mapped the 3G icon to that network type to minimize user confusion. I also see the 3G icon when connected to a UMTS network.
As has been pointed out earlier, that doesn't mean you will get the HSPA+ speeds and in fact they haven't even rolled out HSPA+ in my area yet.
I am running the latest CM for the slide. Ever since I flashed it, I haven't seen the 3G symbol, only H. I live in Salt Lake City Utah, and according to T-Mobile, they haven't enabled HSPA+ here yet. So I'm not sure why H would be showing up instead of 3G. Since I've tested my speed using the Speedtest.net app, and it comes up with ping 103ms D:637kbps U:759kbps, I highly doubt that is HSPA+ speeds.
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I'm pretty sure the only reason you're getting the "H" instead of the "3G" logo is because in the CyanogenMOD 6 Stable release, the "3G" graphic was replaced with the "H".
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I thought it was the radio update that had the H in it.
Using Chiefz rom I get H when I'm by my school.
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I am running the latest CM for the slide. Ever since I flashed it, I haven't seen the 3G symbol, only H. I live in Salt Lake City Utah, and according to T-Mobile, they haven't enabled HSPA+ here yet. So I'm not sure why H would be showing up instead of 3G. Since I've tested my speed using the Speedtest.net app, and it comes up with ping 103ms D:637kbps U:759kbps, I highly doubt that is HSPA+ speeds.
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Check under settings, about phone, status and look at what it says under Mobile Network Type. If it says HSDPA you will see the H icon, if it say UMTS you will see 3G. The H Icon is showing up because it is the begginings of HSPA+ without the fiber back haul ran to the tower, or they haven't switched it on yet. The phone sees the H network and displays the H icon, it doesn't know that it isn't HSPA+ or HSDPA, if your were still stock you would only ever see 3G.
So does that mean that stock rom (I have ChiefzReloaded's modified 1.35.531 rom) still takes advantage of HSPA+ even though it will only show 3G on the status bar? Or would I have to switch to another ROM to take advantage of it?
I remember when I was testing which rom I liked, I had tried a 2.2 rom and seen the H in my status bar, but never tested the speed. At the moment, I don't get speeds faster than 750 kbps down and 70 kbps up.. really disappointed since they already have HSPA+ here in Houston (and its suburbs).
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So does that mean that stock rom (I have ChiefzReloaded's modified 1.35.531 rom) still takes advantage of HSPA+ even though it will only show 3G on the status bar? Or would I have to switch to another ROM to take advantage of it?
I remember when I was testing which rom I liked, I had tried a 2.2 rom and seen the H in my status bar, but never tested the speed. At the moment, I don't get speeds faster than 750 kbps down and 70 kbps up.. really disappointed since they already have HSPA+ here in Houston (and its suburbs).
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Look to see if youre on UMTS, thats 3G...if it says HSPA then you will see H..
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Check under settings, about phone, status and look at what it says under Mobile Network Type. If it says HSDPA you will see the H icon, if it say UMTS you will see 3G. The H Icon is showing up because it is the begginings of HSPA+ without the fiber back haul ran to the tower, or they haven't switched it on yet. The phone sees the H network and displays the H icon, it doesn't know that it isn't HSPA+ or HSDPA, if your were still stock you would only ever see 3G.
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Mine says HSDPA. So I guess that is because they haven't flipped the switch here yet. Thanks for the information.
I am running a stock ROM and under mobile network type I usually see "HSDPA" even though the "3G" icon appears. The point is that on the stock ROM you will see the "3G" icon whether you are connected to a UMTS or HSDPA network, and on the CM ROM you see the "H" icon when you connect to an HSDPA network. But the icon does not limit your speed. You will still get the benefit of HSDPA (and to some degree HSPA+) networks either way.
All,
I understand you can't tell if you are on 3G or 4G with the "H" symbol...but when you go to about phone -> network -> Mobile Network Type -> I only see HSDPA, never HSDPA+.
Is it supposed to show HSDPA+? Or its just a guessing game with "H" and HSDPA?
Just want to know if I'm on 4G or not.
Thanks!
On this phone you will see "H" regardless of HSPA/+. I downloaded the Mobile Signal Widget which shows you whether your network is 3G or H.
This is another thing I down quite understand. I remember the old 3g network would max out at about 1mb per sec. Then when they lunched the hsdpa it went up to about 4mbps in my area....now I was under the speculation that this means it was ready for hspa+. Well at the time I still had my g1 and my wife had her vibrant, both speeds were about the same her's a little faster probably due the faster phone. Now that i have the mt4g I thought i would be at least over 5mbps, but Im now the same as the vibrant. I was so excited about the hspa+ network, but either I dont have it in my area yet, or it was just false advertising. t-moble has a history of that. That had the faster internet on their map in my area about 4 months before it even happened. I called t-moble out on it and customer service kept sending services calls out to my local cell site, of course with out any results.
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This is another thing I down quite understand. I remember the old 3g network would max out at about 1mb per sec. Then when they lunched the hsdpa it went up to about 4mbps in my area....now I was under the speculation that this means it was ready for hspa+. Well at the time I still had my g1 and my wife had her vibrant, both speeds were about the same her's a little faster probably due the faster phone. Now that i have the g1 I thought i would be at least over 5mbps, but Im now the same as the vibrant. I was so excited about the hspa+ network, but either I dont have it in my area yet, or it was just false advertising. t-moble has a history of that. That had the faster internet on their map in my area about 4 months before it even happened. I called t-moble out on it and customer service kept sending services calls out to my local cell site, of course with out any results.
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To take advantage of the HSPA+ speeds, your hardware needs to be capable of it. Neither the G1 nor Vibrant meet those requirements. On T-Mobile, the G2 and MT4G were the first phones to utilize HSPA+. Depending on the area you're in, one may not even take advantage of full HSPA.
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To take advantage of the HSPA+ speeds, your hardware needs to be capable of it. Neither the G1 nor Vibrant meet those requirements. On T-Mobile, the G2 and MT4G were the first phones to utilize HSPA+. Depending on the area you're in, one may not even take advantage of full HSPA.
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Sorry the g1 in there was a typo, I was referring to my mt4g.
Please post questions in Q&A section.
T mobile has a posting of official hspa+ cities. Are you sure you're in one?
Keep in mind, when T Mobile says a city is hspa+, that means that at least 50% of the towers are upgraded to hspa+. So you still might not even get it.
And you'll see a difference for sure between the g2/mt4g running on hspa+, compared to a vibrant or g1 or whatever.
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I don't think the network indicator is always accurate. I've speedtested ~3.3mbps when the phone reported being on EDGE, which just isn't possible.
I've seen some reviews that complain the phone keeps falling back to EDGE and I wonder how much of that is just the phone showing inaccurate information.
There's no HSPA+ in my area and the phone currently reports being on HSPDA, but I recall that saying UMTS the other day. Again, that information displayed seems to be buggy.
I'm new to the Android thing so please don't kill me for the stupid question...
While I ran WinMO, I always had the 3G icon....Now on droid (coredroid latest version) The icon will switch between "E", "H", and "3G". Whats the difference between them and what do they mean?
My carrier is T-Mobile US. I was told by T-Mobile that they now longer have a 3G network, even though my HD2 is a 3G phone, it will get 4G speeds....
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I'm new to the Android thing so please don't kill me for the stupid question...
While I ran WinMO, I always had the 3G icon....Now on droid (coredroid latest version) The icon will switch between "E", "H", and "3G". Whats the difference between them and what do they mean?
My carrier is T-Mobile US. I was told by T-Mobile that they now longer have a 3G network, even though my HD2 is a 3G phone, it will get 4G speeds....
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Since the HD2 isn't a 4G phone, "H" is the almost equivalent; I think it's 3.75 or something like that. So, when you see the H, highest "letter", you are getting faster than 3G speed.
T-MO doesn't even have a 4G network, strictly speaking. But even if it had, your HD2 wouldn't be able to support it.
The max you can get is indeed 3.75G or HSPA, with up to 14/6 mbps down/upload speeds respectively. This is shown by the 'H' icon.
The 3G icon should refer to a UMTS connection, which is considerably slower than H. Some builds however also use the 3G icon when actually you're on a HSPA connection. This is just the icon, the connection is always as fast as possible.
E stands for Edge, an elder (and less battery consuming) protocol with much slower transfer speeds.
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T-MO doesn't even have a 4G network, strictly speaking. But even if it had, your HD2 wouldn't be able to support it.
The max you can get is indeed 3.75G or HSPA, with up to 14/6 mbps down/upload speeds respectively. This is shown by the 'H' icon.
The 3G icon should refer to a UMTS connection, which is considerably slower than H. Some builds however also use the 3G icon when actually you're on a HSPA connection. This is just the icon, the connection is always as fast as possible.
E stands for Edge, an elder (and less battery consuming) protocol with much slower transfer speeds.
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If T-Mobile doesn't have 4G, then why do they sell two 4G phones and advertise 4G? Does Sprint not have 4G,either? They do have 4G, it's just that some areas are not utilizing it yet.
No, they don't have 4G. They claim they have, and the speeds are faster than a typical HSPA network, but it's not 4G.
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscent...doesnt_have_4g_and_theres_no_santa_claus.html
I'm not sure on Sprint, but at first they sure falsely advertised their network as 4G. They may have upgraded it to true 4G by now, again, I'm not sure.
Edit: nope, all carriers are still lying about their 4G network.
If its not 4G, they why are they all calling it 4g?
And if 4G is non existent since no carriers have it, then wouldn't HSPA really be 4G?
I don't get this. So Evo users don't get 4G?
Okay third time, no it's not 4g it's an upgraded kind of 3G. I have even included a link about it, click it and read some.
Alright here it is. stock rom, rooted 4.2.2. I dont have LTE in my area so this is not the purpose of this. My issue is my speeds suck. I haven't experienced more than 7 mb down ( this happened only once to date) even in an excellent areas per t mobile's coverage map. I tried selecting t mobile's network and not leaving it on automatic. No difference.It goes from H to E and I never get H back. even turning off data, or toggling airplane mode in said areas don't give me back H. I havent flashed any custom roms because simply, with every custom rom ive tried theres always some kind of bugs to live with ( no disrespect to our excellent devs out there :angel and stock is most stable.
Now im not looking for 20mb down. I just want actual H or H+ speeds. I considered trying a new sim. I got a new micro sim when I got my n4 from tmobile but i dunno maybe I got a wonky one? Any other rooted stock users try this? Also if I do tweak APN settings is flashing the older baseband necessary or no for H speeds? Thanks
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Alright here it is. stock rom, rooted 4.2.2. I dont have LTE in my area so this is not the purpose of this. My issue is my speeds suck. I haven't experienced more than 7 mb down ( this happened only once to date) even in an excellent areas per t mobile's coverage map. I tried selecting t mobile's network and not leaving it on automatic. No difference.It goes from H to E and I never get H back. even turning off data, or toggling airplane mode in said areas don't give me back H. I havent flashed any custom roms because simply, with every custom rom ive tried theres always some kind of bugs to live with ( no disrespect to our excellent devs out there :angel and stock is most stable.
Now im not looking for 20mb down. I just want actual H or H+ speeds. I considered trying a new sim. I got a new micro sim when I got my n4 from tmobile but i dunno maybe I got a wonky one? Any other rooted stock users try this? Also if I do tweak APN settings is flashing the older baseband necessary or no for H speeds? Thanks
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I doubt it but it doesn't hurt to try.
i had a worse connection and worse speeds using that apn without lte.
your data speed would only be 20mb+ if, and only if, tmobile has hspa42+ in your area. most of tmobiles coverage is hspa21+. youll never see 2omb download speeds on hspa21+, maybe around 10-14mbps. the data speeds would also depend on how much of the network is being used at the moment, how busy it is. so, generally, youll get your highest speeds late at night/early morning.
just to confirm is "excellent" on the coverage map considered hspa42+?
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just to confirm is "excellent" on the coverage map considered hspa42+?
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no. its probably 3G/hspa/hspa+. some places regular 3G, some are hspa21, and some hspa42. you could probably find out by calling tmobile, then ask for tech support. dont let the regular tmobile customer support try to help(lol).
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no. its probably 3G/hspa/hspa+. some places regular 3G, some are hspa21, and some hspa42. you could probably find out by calling tmobile, then ask for tech support. dont let the regular tmobile customer support try to help(lol).
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Their tech support dont know much either. I called them to ask them when i will get 1900 mhz reframed and they said I'm suppose to have LTE when I will most likley not get lte till 2014
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Their tech support dont know much either. I called them to ask them when i will get 1900 mhz reframed and they said I'm suppose to have LTE when I will most likley not get lte till 2014
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i found this http://androidandme.com/2012/12/car...-new-metro-areas-to-4g-hspa-on-1900-mhz-band/