Hi all-
Can someone on Rogers in Canada please corroborate this info for me?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=40906041#post40906041
Basically, it appears that LTE users who want to use wifi hotspot tethering have been kneecapped deliberately by the network; Rogers blocks tethered device traffic on the standard LTEmobile.apn. (except DNS calls, strangely) They tell me to switch to LTEInternet.apn if I want to use wifi tethering.
But when I ask technical support about this, the "LTE APN" they tell me is required doesn't appear to be LTE in anything except name. Two APNs side by side 2 minutes apart in the same physical location give network speeds 8-10x different, and my cellular monitor app shows them negotiating different connections - HSPA+ for one, LTE for the other- that can't just be congestion.
Is this just poor service in my area (seems unlikely) or is this a deliberate crippling of tethered devices by Rogers? I have a 6Gb data plan, and they're telling me I can't use it however I want, at speeds my phone is capable of running!
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Just picked up a Hermes 8525 off of ebay.
While upgrading to the latest WM 6.1 roms available - I have been picking up the 3G network in my area here in Montreal.
I do not have a 3G sim card, and do not plan on using any of the data features either. I pretty much just use it as a regular phone - surf via wifi. Am I actually on the 3G network ??
I also do not have a 3G plan with Rogers. Is there any benefit to 3G if just being used as a regular wireless phone ??
If not being used for any data features, etc - will there be an additional charge applied ??
Should I just force the phone to GSM network only - instead of auto ??
Any feedback greatly appreciated
Have a good one
3G is data and voice. So, even if your not using the data plan your voice connection still auto connects to 3G network or Edge.
You wouldnt get charge for data as long as your 3G data connection is disabled.
You could force it to use a specific band (i.e. 850/1900 mhz) but you might have a bad connection on some areas since the phone auto connects to stronger signal. Hence better (sometimes) voice quality.
I've been having internet troubles since i got my Hero a few weeks ago.
It seems to jump between '3G' and 'H' when I use any applications using the internet. This means that pages often fail to load/download, or appear slower than 2G connection speeds.
I think this is because I'm in an area which can just about receive HDSPA speeds sometimes, but not consistently, so I was wondering if there's any way to set the internet to stay at 3G and not attempt to connect to HDSPA? When I'm in areas where the best speed possible in 3G, the internet is infinitely faster than when it's jumping from 3G to H and back.
Thank You!
I'm not sure on the phone itself but from a network perspective you would need to ask you phone provider to change your QOS on the HLR (network control and provisioning) to a non HSDPA entry, eg t-mobile uk QOS 1201 = HSDPA 3.6
it doesn't work that way (the hlr qos profile). you can only set the maximum speed there, not the RAN technology which is used. i don't think there is anything you can do, the phone attaches to the best server (=cell with strongest signal), and if that cell supports hsdpa it is used for data transfer. as hsd(p)a is only an "addon" for umts i don't think that your connection would be better on the same cell, even if you were able to force umts usage. bad radio reception is bad radio reception... it is not uncommon that a stable EDGE connection works better than a weak umts/hspa signal, have you tried switching to 2g?
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it doesn't work that way (the hlr qos profile). you can only set the maximum speed there, not the RAN technology which is used. i don't think there is anything you can do, the phone attaches to the best server (=cell with strongest signal), and if that cell supports hsdpa it is used for data transfer. as hsd(p)a is only an "addon" for umts i don't think that your connection would be better on the same cell, even if you were able to force umts usage. bad radio reception is bad radio reception... it is not uncommon that a stable EDGE connection works better than a weak umts/hspa signal, have you tried switching to 2g?
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of course you can, thousands of sims on networks are unable to use hsdpa because of a low qos, on t-mobile's uk system if you do not provision the web and walk plus SOC on the account the service order does not go through and they are unable to use HSDPA. I dont have a HSDPA qos and I dont get a H but if I use the sim that came with it I do.. best thing to do is give the networks tech support a ring with some times and locations and ask if they can look at what ever reporting system they use and look at network statistics at the time. Best to look at the sgsn;s and look at the stats at that point.
It doesnt matter if the cell supports hsdpa, hsdpa on the cell itself is only a capability to go back through to the msc. a footprint on a 3g cell will keep the closest strongest users when it hits max capacity, if you are on the outskirts you ill lose out.
the more you complain to the provider the qucicker they add some higher bandwidth lines to th local exchange or hub..
Might simply be a congested site, if so it should report itself...
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ahem... hspa is RAN (as in Radio Access Network) technology. it is applied to the communication between the handset and the node b, not anything behind the node b (not sure whether the rnc needs to be aware of it, but that's it, no msc involved). i am not sure whether the simcard needs to be hspa capable, but i have never heard of it. and i do provision sim cards for a living...
kendong2 said:
ahem... hspa is RAN (as in Radio Access Network) technology. it is applied to the communication between the handset and the node b, not anything behind the node b (not sure whether the rnc needs to be aware of it, but that's it, no msc involved). i am not sure whether the simcard needs to be hspa capable, but i have never heard of it. and i do provision sim cards for a living...
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You are rightt hsdpa as a technology does get implemented between the mast (node b) and the handset.. what is added between the RNC and the node b is the LUB this is an added control mechanism, this kinda makes sure no data is loss occurs when the node b's buffers are overflowed! this is not a fool proof system, RNC? it could be a SRNC controller,, anyway you are right in what you say but as i have worked within this area i do know that when i was saying "SIMS" I didnt mean the actual sim itself i was referring to sims with old HLR profiles that cant access hsdpa! most pay as you go sims cant on tmob uk this stops them going £1 a day unlimited handset internet and hammering the sim in a dongle!! Im a big fan of provisioning btw! geeky as it sounds the complexity of mass provisioning failures interests me!
So one day my internet flat out stopped working. any app or browser when opening up says "no internet". i checked my network and it's defaulted to AT&T US HSDPA. then i switched it to AT&T US and now everything is working again. Do any of you guys know what the difference is?
Also note that i'm still getting 4G indicated by the "H" symbol in the status bar, at least that's my understanding
droidfoshizzle said:
So one day my internet flat out stopped working. any app or browser when opening up says "no internet". i checked my network and it's defaulted to AT&T US HSDPA. then i switched it to AT&T US and now everything is working again. Do any of you guys know what the difference is?
Also note that i'm still getting 4G indicated by the "H" symbol in the status bar, at least that's my understanding
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So I posted this somewhere else but because I'm too lazy to find it ..
The difference between AT&T US and AT&T US HSDPA is the APN's (access point names) they use to connect to the network.
AT&T US uses the WAP.CINGULAR apn while AT&T US HSDPA uses the PHONE apn.
If possible, the ATRIX always tries to connect to AT&T US HSDPA first as the PHONE apn has a higher speed cap than WAP.CINGULAR (hence the HSDPA), but occasionally the phone may switch to AT&T US. I've seen this happen once, but cannot tell you why my phone did it.
If you are on the "4G plan" for smartphones that AT&T offers, your plan *should* include access to both APNS. If you're on something else, however, you may not be able to use AT&T US. To be honest, as long as you can access AT&T US HSDPA, you're going to be fine.
So, as some of you know, if you use the XT1060 with T-Mobile and connect to LTE, you'll have one of two issues: 1) it connects to LTE, but you can no longer call out (or receive calls) as the phone falls back to CDMA even when locked out in the network settings, or 2) it doesn't connect to LTE because it locks the T-Mobile 3G APN in even when a manual entry T-Mobile LTE APN is selected (my issue). My X absolutely REFUSED to move to fast.t-mobile.com and failed to connect to LTE and had absolutely no signal whatsoever (no HSPA or GSM even when on LTE/GSM/UMTS). The reason from the tower: APNfailed. Tried a million times to change the APN in the LTE area to no avail.
I've found it will only change to fast.t-mobile.com (manually entered) in a non-LTE area. Well that's a great inconvenience. I had to disable LTE completely and restart the phone to get it back on HSPA+ (or wait 5-10 minutes).
Anyway, the Verizon rep called me to "troubleshoot" my issues when connecting to T-Mobile LTE. I refused to go through the typical troubleshooting steps because none of it worked when I tried, so it's not magically going to change. I found that interesting (that they'd call me) even though I've had no direct contact with Verizon. Anyway, nothing was really resolved.
Both of these issues are violations of the C-block agreement. Also, if you select Global mode, it'll default to EDGE even though HSPA is available. It'll go to HSPA after selecting LTE/GSM/UMTS, UMTS only, then move back to Global. Interesting how they make you go through these hoops, eh?
Jason.DROID said:
So, as some of you know, if you use the XT1060 with T-Mobile and connect to LTE, you'll have one of two issues: 1) it connects to LTE, but you can no longer call out (or receive calls) as the phone falls back to CDMA even when locked out in the network settings, or 2) it doesn't connect to LTE because it locks the T-Mobile 3G APN in even when a manual entry T-Mobile LTE APN is selected (my issue). My X absolutely REFUSED to move to fast.t-mobile.com and failed to connect to LTE and had absolutely no signal whatsoever (no HSPA or GSM even when on LTE/GSM/UMTS). The reason from the tower: APNfailed. Tried a million times to change the APN in the LTE area to no avail.
I've found it will only change to fast.t-mobile.com (manually entered) in a non-LTE area. Well that's a great inconvenience. I had to disable LTE completely and restart the phone to get it back on HSPA+ (or wait 5-10 minutes).
Anyway, the Verizon rep called me to "troubleshoot" my issues when connecting to T-Mobile LTE. I refused to go through the typical troubleshooting steps because none of it worked when I tried, so it's not magically going to change. I found that interesting (that they'd call me) even though I've had no direct contact with Verizon. Anyway, nothing was really resolved.
Both of these issues are violations of the C-block agreement. Also, if you select Global mode, it'll default to EDGE even though HSPA is available. It'll go to HSPA after selecting LTE/GSM/UMTS, UMTS only, then move back to Global. Interesting how they make you go through these hoops, eh?
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Wow. Hopefully something changes with Verizon and letting people use LTE on other carriers. I know almost all Verizon phones don't get LTE on any carrier other than Verizon even if the LTE bands are supported. Verizon is full of crap.
Hey, guys. I'm new here, and definitely a noob.
Just a quick backstory, I live in a rural area with only satellite internet connection, aside from using my phone as a mobile hotspot. I do quite a bit of gaming when I'm at a place with low latency internet, and have recently started using my mobile hotspot for gaming (laugh all you want, it works out fine for the most part). Unfortunately, living in a rural area, there is very limited service. I'm not completely informed on the lingo, but out here, I've learned that I can only connect to two towers (?). One is HSPA+, and one is 4G LTE. Obviously, only the 4G LTE one is good for low latency connections. I know that carriers have certain towers that they try to connect to before others because the others can cost them more. My phone usually defaults to the HSPA+ network.
I have found a way to force it to the LTE signal. By going into the hidden menu > Field Test > Modem Settings > PDP Setting > APN Setting > ATTNextgenphone > Bearer - LTE, and then saving. Usually, after about 20 seconds, it will switch to LTE service. Recently, though, my phone will attempt to not use that access point, and then remain with no 4G or 4G LTE icon next to the signal strength graphic, and I cannot connect to the internet in any fashion. I'm not sure if AT&T has figured out what I'm doing (I doubt it), but I just want to know if there is any way to combat this or to go about connecting to that 4G LTE access point in an easier way? Maybe there is some sort of root (?) I can do?
Any help would be appreciated.
* (?) <-- meaning I'm not sure if I'm using the correct wording or phrasing.