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[Q]Whitelevels and screen sharpness

I have only seen 4 galaxy tab 7.7's so far and I noticed all 4 of them really have bad white levels as compared to my galaxy note, disabled the auto power saving and there is a difference in white levels but its still not even close to the galaxy note at the same brightness level. Even at brightness 25% on the note the vs 100% on the tab 7.7shows 'dimmer'whites. This is not a rant but I'm just asking if the screens are calibrated that way or should I keep looking?
Also I noticed that the mdine engine oon the tab provides oversharpening to a lot of my photos and its so obvious and makes the images look bd, supercurio has the same findings.

It is a pretty big screen so it may be they limited the brightnes to save battery power. While the claim is that OLED takes less power than LCD that is not always true. When displaying white, OLED tech uses like 4X as much power as LCD. The power saving comes in when displaying images with medium to darker colors.
What is the "mdine engine"? Is this something that can be bypassed by using a different picture viewing app?
It is amazing how Samsung seems to always add some crappy image "enhancement" like DnIE or such crap. Why can't they just leave our images alone, as we meant them to be? It is freakin' OLED man. You don't need any contrast or sharpness enhancement you knuckleheads! OLED by nature is sharp and has great contrast! Duh!

I don't know. My 7.7 is super bright, sharp and with way warmer colors than my Note.
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DaveC1964 said:
It is a pretty big screen so it may be they limited the brightnes to save battery power. While the claim is that OLED takes less power than LCD that is not always true. When displaying white, OLED tech uses like 4X as much power as LCD. The power saving comes in when displaying images with medium to darker colors.
What is the "mdine engine"? Is this something that can be bypassed by using a different picture viewing app?
It is amazing how Samsung seems to always add some crappy image "enhancement" like DnIE or such crap. Why can't they just leave our images alone, as we meant them to be? It is freakin' OLED man. You don't need any contrast or sharpness enhancement you knuckleheads! OLED by nature is sharp and has great contrast! Duh!
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I'm thinking the samr thing that samsung might ne limiting how bright the whites can go duebto the screen size but based on what I've seen on samoleds some screens juat put out better white levels, not really brighter but whiter.
For the mdine its running system wide.
clubtech said:
I don't know. My 7.7 is super bright, sharp and with way warmer colors than my Note.
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The samoled plus tends to have more warmer colors than the samoled, is the whites on your tab 7.7 'whiter' than on the note at the same brightness level?

EarlZ said:
For the mdine its running system wide.
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Is there a way to shut it off or bypass it somehow?

DaveC1964 said:
Is there a way to shut it off or bypass it somehow?
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Yes I believe so, Supercurio knows more about that stuff.
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simulated example done in photoshop, anyone with the tab7.7 and better photoshop skills feel free to redo this simulated image

Perhaps one of the other reason that the 7.7's screen isn't quite as bright, apart from the obvious power saving reasons, is an effort to possibly reduce the OLED degradation (burn-in) effect.
Either way, although I certainly noticed out of the box that my 7.7 wasn't as bright as my Note (or even my GS2 for that matter!), I was never really bothered by it because (especially when you use movie mode) the colour reproduction is very accurate, and paired up with the contrast levels, it's still fantastic!
I guess, to me, white doesn't necessarily mean I need to put on a pair of sunglasses while looking at my screen lol!

I just wanted to know if the norm has lower white levels, what bothers me more is added sharpening on some images.

EarlZ said:
I just wanted to know if the norm has lower white levels, what bothers me more is added sharpening on some images.
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Have you tried using the movie mode? Settings => Screen => Mode

Jade Eyed Wolf said:
Have you tried using the movie mode? Settings => Screen => Mode
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I havent but id imagine thats gonna give a yellowish cast on the entire screen. I didnt get the tab yet as the store units I tried had very obvious screen problems. Gonna wait for a the next batch to arrive.

EarlZ said:
I havent but id imagine thats gonna give a yellowish cast on the entire screen. I didnt get the tab yet as the store units I tried had very obvious screen problems. Gonna wait for a the next batch to arrive.
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Yellowish? Not at all! At least not with my unit anyway. Sure it makes the screen generally warmer in colour, but IMO, more than anything, it makes the colours look more accurate and natural.
Give it a try! You never know until you do...

Black Levels.. now White Levels, you are a very picky person EarlZ...

TeeeJaay said:
Black Levels.. now White Levels, you are a very picky person EarlZ...
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Since when was it wrong to ask for more product information on what is the norm, if you've got nothing to contribute stay away instead of starting a flamebait.
Jade Eyed Wolf said:
Yellowish? Not at all! At least not with my unit anyway. Sure it makes the screen generally warmer in colour, but IMO, more than anything, it makes the colours look more accurate and natural.
Give it a try! You never know until you do...
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Well ever since the Galaxy S changing the color mode to movie mode gives a yellowish cast, this is probably dependent on the calibration on the screen we get in the first place. I saw a friend's Tab7.7 the other day and his white levels were really brighter than my Galaxy Note. FWIW, its still a luck of the draw when it comes to color calibration on the screen. But thanks for that tip, when I'll purchase the Tab I'll make sure to also check out movie mode and see if it hits my requirements.

EarlZ said:
Since when was it wrong to ask for more product information on what is the norm, if you've got nothing to contribute stay away instead of starting a flamebait.
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it was a friendly comment kababayan, you got it wrong

i have mine set to vibrant... rather like it like that.
it's just a shame it's SOOOO darn bright!
i cant use it t night!
even with screenfilter and other apps... no worky on amoled

FernandoMiguel said:
i have mine set to vibrant... rather like it like that.
it's just a shame it's SOOOO darn bright!
i cant use it t night!
even with screenfilter and other apps... no worky on amoled
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Very bright noticed the same with the Note ,
Nexus was somewhat easier on the eyes at night,
But probably like you I like a very dim screen at night.
When the brightness is turned all the way down on the 7.7,
is any banding or other issues seen like many report on the Note?
Blacks are black I'm sure but how are greys that are near black.
On the Nexus they were fine, but on the Notes I seen they could have been darker?

Screen Mode is a JOKE

i am wondering what Samsung was thinking
when made of this.
Natural mode has washed out colors and normal mode
has over saturated colors .
We need something between.Is that so difficult?

ur thead is a joke

There are no oversaturated colors
All AMOLEDs are like this and I think display is very good.

Natural mode is pretty much perfect imo.

buggingme said:
ur thead is a joke
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this

foxy4270 said:
i am wondering what Samsung was thinking
when made of this.
Natural mode has washed out colors and normal mode
has over saturated colors .
We need something between.Is that so difficult?
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Agreed. Don't know if it's worth ranting about though.

henrybravo said:
Natural mode only looks washed out because you're accustomed to the oversaturation of normal mode.
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Totally disagree, natural looks washed out and very dull. My iPad 3 and Galaxy Nexus is much more vibrant.
To me standard, looks fine. Just a touch too over staturated but I like it, like that.

great joke im laughing

Coming from an WVGA TFT LCD on the HD2, the Natural Mode on the SGS3 seems to highlight the best of both worlds.

jhericurls said:
Totally disagree, natural looks washed out and very dull. My iPad 3 and Galaxy Nexus is much more vibrant.
To me standard, looks fine. Just a touch too over staturated but I like it, like that.
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You are correct. Earlier today I was messing around with Screen Adjuster and it was skewing my side-by-side iPad / GS3 tests. I've edit my original post.

foxy4270 said:
i am wondering what Samsung was thinking
when made of this.
Natural mode has washed out colors and normal mode
has over saturated colors .
We need something between.Is that so difficult?
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You should knew it before you decided to buy GS3.
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Standard mode is over saturated especially in games
and when browsing.
An extra mode between standard and natural would be
ideal for 99% of people.

They should just release all phones with a screen calibration mode after the first boot up.
People fail to realize that humans only see about 10 million colours so that the 16 million available, regardless of screen technology, is all there natural or not. There could be a variety of factors that contribute to AMOLED looking less natural but if I were to hazard a guess.
- people are used to seeing LCD looking colours.
- the LEDS are closer to the screen on AMOLED.
- Complete blacks trick our eyes into seeing colours around the black abyss as being brighter than they really are.
And of course the obvious such as a coloured organic Light source vs a white light source plus colour filter. And also the backlight needed on LCDs.
I think consumers just have to be desensitized to AMOLED displays and it will start to look natural. Or Samsung should do a better job with the natural mode and mimic LCD better. Or they should just give free reign of colour calibration like they do on HDTVs and add a back light. So if you like AMOLED, turn off the backlight. If you don't, leave it on. Barring the texture of the LCD colour filter, an AMOLED display with a backlight would look just like an IPS LCD display.

foxy4270 said:
Standard mode is over saturated especially in games
and when browsing.
An extra mode between standard and natural would be
ideal for 99% of people.
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I'm sure your phone will be welcomed in the "for sale" section of the xda marketplace, seen as though your not happy with it! This threads a joke....
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I use natural n prefer it. I think its just right. Your eyes set a norm so when u r used to one setting when u change it does look strange
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You know what is a joke? All the US versions don't even have a screen mode option. Oversaturation is nothing new for AMOLEDs but it can be remedied and has been remedied before, simply by providing an option. A lot of people like the contrast and viewing angles of AMOLEDs but don't like the excessive colors. I guess Samsung thinks Americans are all colorblind and took the extra effort to REMOVE the option altogether when they tried so hard to make everything else the same. The international S2 had color adjustments too, but not my T-mobile one. Then there's the terrible audio capture. Always taking two steps forward, one step back.

I quite like having an option to change my screen settings rather than not having an option. Thank you Samsung.
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I agree as well that screen modes could be better "optimised" that sammy would give us something between natural and standard, but different to you i am feeling that was step in right direction, im sure that next phone will have those much better optimised.
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katamari201 said:
You know what is a joke? All the US versions don't even have a screen mode option. Oversaturation is nothing new for AMOLEDs but it can be remedied and has been remedied before, simply by providing an option. A lot of people like the contrast and viewing angles of AMOLEDs but don't like the excessive colors. I guess Samsung thinks Americans are all colorblind and took the extra effort to REMOVE the option altogether when they tried so hard to make everything else the same. The international S2 had color adjustments too, but not my T-mobile one. Then there's the terrible audio capture. Always taking two steps forward, one step back.
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Due to the chipsets. Samsung used the television engine. The screen modes on my international SGS3 is the same ones as on my TV, producing nearly same effects (TV=LCD, SGS3=AMOLED). Sony uses their Bravia engine in their phones.

Hey guys, you do realise people are entitled to an opinion, right? Stop dismissing the OP blindly.
I happen to agree that the default profiles are not as good as they could be. Simply accepting that AMOLED is oversaturated by nature doesn't mean something can't be done about it in software. So before jumping down someone's throat, perhaps consider that they may have a legitimate concern.

How's the screen for everyone?

Everyone who's owned a SIII knows the screen is completly useless when it comes to the sun being shined at it. Cannot see anything. What about the S4? Same issue? Just curious about to buy one
Also how's the screen for you all? =)
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I haven't found it too bad, I have found the auto brightness to adjust really well. It hasn't been too sunny here though
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Shoulon said:
Everyone who's owned a SIII knows the screen is completly useless when it comes to the sun being shined at it. Cannot see anything. What about the S4? Same issue? Just curious about to buy one
Also how's the screen for you all? =)
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I don't have an S4 yet but a report by displaymate a couple of days ago showed that when you have auto brightness turned on the AMOLED screen is just as bright as the brightest LCDs out there (around 475 nits). Of course you can't set this amount of brightness manually since you would overheat your phone and cause screen burn in if you did. That is why Samsung only allows this for when you have on auto brightness. Since as soon as you go back indoors it will lower the brightness back down.

Long time S3 user (launch) and just picked up the S4 yesterday. The screen, in terms of quality, offers a noticeable improvement over the S3. I migrated everything over from one phone to the other and there's no mistaking which is which. The total difference, however, is less than the difference we saw going in the S2->S3 IMO.
In bright light, unfortunately, they're basically the same as far as I can tell. The auto-brightness setting seems more conservative on the S4 (possibly to help with thermal issues), but I haven't had a chance to crank it up all the way out in the sun.
If screen brightness matters a lot to you, I urge you to take a look at the EVO. The LCD screen on that is much improved, extremely bright as usually, and the blacks are getting considerably blacker (see anantech review). I myself played with it for a half hour but quickly jumped back on the S4 since it fits me better.

I've owned every galaxy phone since the galaxy epic. (Sprint qwerty phone) AMOLED screens are great despite no anti glare features.
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Screen is great until your moving grey on a black background and then you have weird purple smears going on. Not sure if it's a faulty display or just 'how it's meant to be'
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The screen is stunning! Extremely sharp with smooth text and eye popping colours, its basically like Apple's Retina display on iP5 but with AMOLED benefits on top.
In sunlight it fares well from my experience, better than S3, IMO, its a lot less reflective.

Stunning!
6 Stars.

Xperia Z vs Samsung S4, white screen comparison

Hi, I was just at the store today and felt that I wanted to compare my screen to the s4 a bit after arguing with my friend about amoled screens, it showed that I was right. I have always been complaining about their bad white balance and inaccurate colors(even without display settings!),
but still xperia Z don't have the best viewing angels but that doesn't matter to me at all, even looking at angels on the amoled it gets reflective and miserable...
Same picture downloaded at both devices (white picture)
Both screens at 100% light
Now judge yourself, no editing done and picture taken with my friends HTC sensation xl
I must say s4 has also very low screenlighting and won't stand a chance this summer in a sunny day
Is the xperia Z a clear winner?
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Indeed it is!

Both phones was less yellow but the camera of my friends HTC is oversaturating yellow a bit, but the difference was exactly the same as in the picture
Their true colors are shown in the right middle of the s4 and the left middle of the xz as the autofocus was there
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No doubt someone from the samsung camp will go on about how 'deep' the blacks are though

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No doubt someone from the samsung camp will go on about how 'deep' the blacks are though
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Lol, true blacks, 90% while browsing on the Internet, play store is white and most apps up to 70%, now they have nothing to say about colors I guess
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kalo88 said:
No doubt someone from the samsung camp will go on about how 'deep' the blacks are though
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Yeah.. but the deep blacks aren't helping the S4 either! All S4 models (exynos5 or snapdragon version) received by users so far seem to be plagued by yet another AMOLED screen issue, purple/pink smearing is what they're calling it. There is sort of pink/purple smudging if a white/grey image is moved/scrolled over a black background like when scrolling in the settings menu, browsing web with dark bg etc.
Edit: About the whites, of course the XZ screen is better calibrated.

The joys of being an early adopter eh!

roobeyn said:
Lol, true blacks, 90% while browsing on the Internet, play store is white and most apps up to 70%, now they have nothing to say about colors I guess
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Most of my apps, playstore, facebook, whatsapp, dialer, message, contacts and a few more are all black in color. Those apps looks better in black.
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Actually it was worse than I though it would be, I expected s4 to be better than s3 and it was even worse?
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Hmm, have you turned on the backlight on s4? Looks pretty dark.
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S4 screen brightness cannot be on par with LCD's brightness. Even so, your photo makes it look really dark in both phones.
btw, S4 screen's white is much better than S3, I would say the color balance is nearly the same as IPS LCD, very vibrant and punch colors. However, it seems your unit also suffers the red/pink tint in the white.

OK I have to agree that:
1. The Z's white is essentially white whereas the S4...I don't know what to make of it.
2. The Z's LCD is brighter though I have not yet had the chance to properly check the S4 with the backlight on. I will check and update.
So, I was lucky enough to my hands on the S4 LTE version yesterday (my wife was due for an $0 upgrade and she didn't want it as she loves her Note 2, so I jumped at the chance and now I will be comparing both the Z and S4 for a week or 2 before deciding on which one to keep. I'll be posting a separate thread on my findings.

press_enter said:
Hmm, have you turned on the backlight on s4? Looks pretty dark.
S.
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Yes brightness at 100% on both
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press_enter said:
Hmm, have you turned on the backlight on s4? Looks pretty dark.
S.
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(assuming that you aren't being sarcastic/facetious)
In an OLED display the individual pixels themselves glow, unlike an LCD display
where the pixels are colour filters with a fixed backlight common to
all pixels shining through to make them light up.
There is as much need/use for a back-light in an OLED display as there is
for a back-light on a light globe/bulb.

So looking on this pictures it seems Galaxy S one has better screen then both appart from low pixely density(grainy picture).
I'm satisfied with screen on Xperia Z but when I look at Galaxy S its hard to go back on X Z screen. It may be oversaturated but if anyone has similiar device to compare screens side by side you will be amazed how this older phone still has excellent screen compared to most new phones (htc one x, htc one, s4, iphone 5,etc).

I compared both, and I think the camera cannot capture it truely, and it's not fair to compared in this way
One thing is with automatic brightness, S4 is much birghter (475 nits compared to a little more than 300 nits of maximum mannual brightness)
The Galaxy S4 uses one innovative approach to overcome this – when Automatic Brightness is turned on, the Peak Brightness becomes significantly brighter in high ambient lighting than is possible with Manual Brightness, up to as high as 475 cd/m2, which is 34 percent higher than is possible with Manual Brightness. This is done so that users can’t permanently set the brightness to very high values, which would run down the battery quickly.
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http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_S4_ShootOut_1.htm
Very reasonable that nobody needs more than 300 nits to read indoor. (actually 200 nits is even more than enough)
It's the same on Note 2, and there is an app name "A Brighter Note" (rooted) that allows maximum manual brightness matches maximum auto brightness.

hung2900 said:
I compared both, and I think the camera cannot capture it truely, and it's not fair to compared in this way
One thing is with automatic brightness, S4 is much birghter (475 nits compared to a little more than 300 nits of maximum mannual brightness)
http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_S4_ShootOut_1.htm
Very reasonable that nobody needs more than 300 nits to read indoor. (actually 200 nits is even more than enough)
It's the same on Note 2, and there is an app name "A Brighter Note" (rooted) that allows maximum manual brightness matches maximum auto brightness.
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The OLED theology has not yet surpassed LCD,
and as in your article wrote
"OLED displays are generally not as bright as the brightest LCD displays."
It isn't as bright either
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roobeyn said:
The OLED theology has not yet surpassed LCD,
and as in your article wrote
"OLED displays are generally not as bright as the brightest LCD displays."
It isn't as bright either
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Brightest LCD display on mobile is Nokia 701 (more than 1000 nits), not Xperia Z
And I think you still don't get my point. The pic you showed innitially is the comparison of XZ to 300 nits brightness of S4 which is not the maximum capacity the device can get (475 nits), that's why it looked pretty dim

hung2900 said:
Brightest LCD display on mobile is Nokia 701 (more than 1000 nits), not Xperia Z
And I think you still don't get my point. The pic you showed innitially is the comparison of XZ to 300 nits brightness of S4 which is not the maximum capacity the device can get (475 nits), that's why it looked pretty dim
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But the brightness difference between s4 and xz was far beyond 34%, even though it would get the chance to go to it's maximum it wouldn't be higher than xz, if I put my brightness to about 40% they will be at the same level,
Then xz has 60% left to show
and s4 34%
And what I also don't like is the pink color which is supposed to be white
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roobeyn said:
But the brightness difference between s4 and xz was far beyond 34%, even though it would get the chance to go to it's maximum it wouldn't be higher than xz, if I put my brightness to about 40% they will be at the same level,
Then xz has 60% left to show
and s4 34%
And what I also don't like is the pink color which is supposed to be white
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Yes, I know that it will not exceed the brightness on XZ, but you still don't get my point.
I mean the the gap of screen brightness is not as big as your first picture if the S4 showed the highest brightness it can get (which can achieve right after being rooted).
And 300 nits is enough for indoor reading in any case. The use of the more birghtness is for reading outdoor only (or maybe for somebody wanna show off how bright the device is), but brightness is not everything for outdoor visibility. Contrast and reflectiveness is also important.
This one showed that S4 is quite close to HTC One in visibility

AMOLED whites look the best they ever did on the Note 5

Granted, they still can't reach the same level of good looking brightness (even if they are "accurate") as top-end LCDs like the iPhone panel, they're getting closer with each generation. It sucks the whites only look best in high dynamic contrast environments with sunlight. AMOLED screen efficiency might take a couple of more years before it can hit 500 knits of brightness on pure white content (or above 70% APL) on maximum manual brightness and not autoboosting

I agree, side by side with my S6 the Note 5 is much cleaner/brighter/sharper.

I have an i6 for work and a Note 5 personally. I much prefer the Note 5 screen in all environments.
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I used iP6, G3 and now the Note 5. For now Note 5 has the best display ever. Colors are popping out of the screen and the blacks are, oh man.. There is nice amount of sharpening too, not too much like the G3.
But the whites.... They are a litte bit weird man. If you directly looking at the screen, the whites are white. If you looking at the screen with different angles, they start to turn a bit yellowish or bluish white depending on your viewing angle.
But not that much of problem, i dont even bother or care it. I'm loving the screen

Deagles said:
But the whites.... They are a litte bit weird man. If you directly looking at the screen, the whites are white. If you looking at the screen with different angles, they start to turn a bit yellowish or bluish white depending on your viewing angle.
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Thats the biggest trade-off with AMOLED's. But, it's more than worth it for everything else we get though compared to LCD

AMOLED screen does not need as high a brightness as LCD screens due to its high (infinite) contrast ratio. Example: people were surprised to learn that the Nexus 6's max brightness is around 250 nits because they were accustomed to brightness readings of LCDs. This is another area where reviewers created reality distortion field in favor of Apple products, and seeing everything else through from that distorted viewpoints.
Do note that I do not dispute that the higher the brightness, the better screen is. I am saying that at the same brightness, AMOLED screen will always be more legible and pleasant to the eyes in changing environments. Comparing the two technologies in the absolute and judging one to be superior is not a smart move.

lopri said:
AMOLED screen does not need as high a brightness as LCD screens due to its high (infinite) contrast ratio. Example: people were surprised to learn that the Nexus 6's max brightness is around 250 nits because they were accustomed to brightness readings of LCDs. This is another area where reviewers created reality distortion field in favor of Apple products, and seeing everything else through from that distorted viewpoints.
Do note that I do not dispute that the higher the brightness, the better screen is. I am saying that at the same brightness, AMOLED screen will always be more legible and pleasant to the eyes in changing environments. Comparing the two technologies in the absolute and judging one to be superior is not a smart move.
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Lol nexus 6 screen was garbage. Some leftover from below par quality amoleds that samsung doesn't use on its phones.
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ambervals6 said:
Lol nexus 6 screen was garbage. Some leftover from below par quality amoleds that samsung doesn't use on its phones.
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Ya, I played around with a Nexus 6 at an AT&T store and held it next to my Note 5 with both at max brightness and my god the Nexus 6 had a ridiculously yellow tint and had the most severe burn ins compared to all the other amoled devices on display in the store. And the difference in max brightness was so significant it looked like the Nexus 6 was at min brightness next to my Note 5 when both were maxed out.