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x10 display improvement

As most of u are aware, after the 2.1 update, the x10 display will no longer be limited by software and its display will bump up from 65thou to 16m colors, as u can see theres a way bigger spectrum of colors that our phones will display so my question is, will that diffrence be huge? Will it be noticable? how will it improve display quality(in terms of sharpness, beauty, depth, quality...erc)?

My guess is better quality games. 720p video on youtbe and recordings will be better. Picture quaity and a more clearer display overall. I want this update lol
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Changes will surely be noticeable, i still think they did a pretty darn good job with the colours as it is now really looking forward to see the changes
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Tjotte said:
Changes will surely be noticeable, i still think they did a pretty darn good job with the colours as it is now really looking forward to see the changes
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i agree, i came from a iphone 3g and the quality is way better, i dont knw how much better it might get

wallpapers will be a big difference

My understanding is that having more colours will only make a difference if you're looking at things that are extremely close to the same colour (i.e. gradients). Just compare it to some phone with 16M colours, see if there's any noticeable difference.

you mean you won't notice this ?

i am waiting for this update man

mezo9090 said:
you mean you won't notice this ?
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If I stare very closely at the Mediascape background for a couple seconds, I can see some bands, where the shades don't change smoothly. Maybe you have sharper eyes than me, because I am not at all bothered by it..

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If I stare very closely at the Mediascape background for a couple seconds, I can see some bands, where the shades don't change smoothly. Maybe you have sharper eyes than me, because I am not at all bothered by it..
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compare it to your x10 and tell me the difference please. is it the same ?

I don't think you'll notice any difference as the Screen on the X10 only supports 65K colours, irrespective of what the OS can support, check out the Spec on the SE website.

I don't expect much difference. I mean, I never go like "oh man, the colors on my X10 suck, I wish they were better". The colors are fine the way they are (to me). I never stare at the screen long enough to notice color banding that may occur in some pictures.

sixdaysandy said:
I don't think you'll notice any difference as the Screen on the X10 only supports 65K colours, irrespective of what the OS can support, check out the Spec on the SE website.
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the hardware supports 16m colors but now its limited to the os

mmk92 said:
the hardware supports 16m colors but now its limited to the os
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My mistake, I was under the impression that the hardware was only capable of 65K, in the same way that it's not capable of MT, irrespective of OS level.
I hope you're right

It will be fairly subjective, dependant on both the picture and the person viewing.
Alot of pics are going to look better, others will show little difference.
Personally I can't wait to have wallpapers that have no bloody bands of colour instead of a grady'all change of shade. It looks horrible.
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Nexus One, why not 720p officially

Just to start a discussion.
everyone knows N1 is capable of doing video recording on 720p.
I am just wondering, why google does not officially release such capability? Or do you think they just want user to root it and do whatever they want? Desire has it anyway.
I am so looking forward to an official 720p, if it ever happens.

Because of the bit rate and frame rate. It's not good enough to do it over 24 FPS consistently.

evilkorn said:
Because of the bit rate and frame rate. It's not good enough to do it over 24 FPS consistently.
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Because of the lens?

zachthemaster said:
Because of the lens?
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ok, that too. ;-)
it does a really nice job @ 800xwhatever, but 720p is just too much. it starts having artifacts if there is any motion at all, and any panning/tilting turns the picture terrible. just what i've experienced.

using the latest CM6 nightly i have yet to come across any issues with it, i actually like it, but yea compare it to a real HD camera (not the Evo) but a handheld camera the 720p is crap

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using the latest CM6 nightly i have yet to come across any issues with it, i actually like it, but yea compare it to a real HD camera (not the Evo) but a handheld camera the 720p is crap
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Yeah. But that's obvious. You spend probably around 300 for a good 720p camera ya know?
I hate to bring it up, but why can the iPhone 4 handle HD video so well? It has a 5MP sensor just like the N1. Any ideas? Because I know this sensor could handle it if the iPhone's could. Am I wrong?
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evilkorn said:
Because of the bit rate and frame rate. It's not good enough to do it over 24 FPS consistently.
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Well rooted N1s and desires are able to do it. Better than what HTC gave in the official froyo update too.

zachthemaster said:
Yeah. But that's obvious. You spend probably around 300 for a good 720p camera ya know?
I hate to bring it up, but why can the iPhone 4 handle HD video so well? It has a 5MP sensor just like the N1. Any ideas? Because I know this sensor could handle it if the iPhone's could. Am I wrong?
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I don't think it's the sensor. I think it has to do with how fast the phone can take data from that sensor and do something with it. It can't keep up with the camera flooding it with data at 24 FPS at 720p.

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Yeah. But that's obvious. You spend probably around 300 for a good 720p camera ya know?
I hate to bring it up, but why can the iPhone 4 handle HD video so well? It has a 5MP sensor just like the N1. Any ideas? Because I know this sensor could handle it if the iPhone's could. Am I wrong?
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megapixel sensor size doesn't equate to the quality of a camera.
The hardware in the iphone4 is better than that of the nexus one.

JCopernicus said:
megapixel sensor size doesn't equate to the quality of a camera.
The hardware in the iphone4 is better than that of the nexus one.
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Yeah I knew that. I didn't know if the iPhone's hardware was better. I didn't think it was.
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It's all about politics, they don't want to sell you a phone that can do everything, they want you to spend more money on the next best thing. That's the consumer market for you

Stea1thmode said:
It's all about politics, they don't want to sell you a phone that can do everything, they want you to spend more money on the next best thing. That's the consumer market for you
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Aka, see Google Nexus One.
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Stea1thmode said:
It's all about politics, they don't want to sell you a phone that can do everything, they want you to spend more money on the next best thing. That's the consumer market for you
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A bit better (and closer to the truth) explanation would be:
Google have X engineering "horsepower" that can only do Y stuff in a given amount of time. They can:
1) Spend more time upgrading their DEVELOPER phone capabilities (which was never intended to be anything but developer phone) for the sake of the VERY FEW customers that bought this phone while it was in commercial stage (Nexus owners are a tiny percentage of Android device owners),
2) Spend more time enhancing Android system for ALL the current and future customers of ALL phone manufacturers.
Guess which one they would prefer? Not a hard guess, right?
Yes, unfortunately, it's not the one you would prefer.
The same goes for "why not improved graphics driver", "why not improved N support", etc.

I 2nd that.I think that Google engineers are more into improving android os as a whole.
OP,didn't you notice how many updates and radios the desire has compared to ours?
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The iphone4 does 720p and movement really, really well, i was shocked, and admittedly a little jealous. When it is said that the Iphone4's "hardware" is better, is it that the I4's hardware has better quality, or does it just have better specs? In other words, the I4 doesnt have a full ghz processor right? But is it just much better quality? I dont really know what im talking about im just very interested in 720/HD recording on smartphones, definitely a prerequisite going forward...thanks

DMaverick50 said:
The iphone4 does 720p and movement really, really well, i was shocked, and admittedly a little jealous. When it is said that the Iphone4's "hardware" is better, is it that the I4's hardware has better quality, or does it just have better specs? In other words, the I4 doesnt have a full ghz processor right? But is it just much better quality? I dont really know what im talking about im just very interested in 720/HD recording on smartphones, definitely a prerequisite going forward...thanks
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yeah, even when I tested the iPhone 2G camera that has 2MP sensor, it's photo quality was alot better than my Nexus. just the resolution is bigger in Nexus. and iPhone 4 has a Apple A4 1 GHZ processor, that equals almost the same CPU on Nexus but with different GPU on iPhone (PowerVR SGX). it just does it really really well.

The CPU and its main frequency has exactly nothing to do w/ video encoding, most probably. Encoding/decoding in small-scale devices is usually implemented by separate subsystems (packaged with the CPU - that's why they call it SoC).

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The CPU and its main frequency has exactly nothing to do w/ video encoding, most probably. Encoding/decoding in small-scale devices is usually implemented by separate subsystems (packaged with the CPU - that's why they call it SoC).
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i see, so Apple spent a good deal of efforts to specifically make the camera so good...It wasnt just that they made the phone well, and in turn that solid hardware allowed for good camera quality.
I dont even use the N1 video recorder very often but for some reason I really want better capabilities, maybe if I did have much higher fps and resolution I would use it a lot. Currently the fps are really poor, any movement is a blur regardless of the amount of light. And of course 480 is quite dated. But the phone is otherwise top notch, and the 5mp camera is really solid and i use it a lot, under varied conditions.

I imagine the internal memory vs. whatever SD card a normal consumer would get might also play a part. The Android devices that do have 720p officially all have internal memory ( >1GB ), right? So the manufacturers can control the quality of memory used. I would think that Google/HTC would get lots more complaints from the general population who got bargain basement cards from the back of a truck and expected everything to perform flawlessly. I also agree with above points about the hardware and subsystems. So many variables. But that's also why I like the Android platform. You have a choice (and not just 16GB vs. 32GB locked to one carrier with a contract).

zachthemaster said:
Yeah. But that's obvious. You spend probably around 300 for a good 720p camera ya know?
I hate to bring it up, but why can the iPhone 4 handle HD video so well? It has a 5MP sensor just like the N1. Any ideas? Because I know this sensor could handle it if the iPhone's could. Am I wrong?
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IF I remember correctly, Charansingh said the Iphone achieved 720p by duplicating the image thereby increasing fps to achieve 720p...or something like that. The amount of available light controls the phones ability to reach higher fps. I've gotten 26fps outdoors in bright light. The N1 is set to a max of 30fps, but will only do 1/2 of that indoors. fwiw

HTC and gimmicks

We all know that certain hardware nothing but gimmicks.
Htc did well with megapixel race in my point of wiev more megapixel need bigger sensor please let me know if ım wrong.
but htc went with another gimmick 1080p come on what is the difference with 720p hich is 312 ppi more than our eyes can notice it.
HTC ONE X had best display 2012 why didnt HTC just make that screen even better instead they went more resolution i just got to chance to compare both screens about half an hour ago htc one x brighter contrast and wieving angles same so now we have dimmer screen uses more energy plus more work on GPU. its like degrading.

But this one goes up to 11. That's one more.

compact_bijou said:
But this one goes up to 11. That's one more.
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what do you mean?

cihanleanne said:
what do you mean?
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Well, no matter how high any other one can go, this one has always got one more.
This one goes to 11

cihanleanne said:
what do you mean?
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Greatful Dead
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Beats.
That is all.

cihanleanne said:
We all know that certain hardware nothing but gimmicks.
Htc did well with megapixel race in my point of wiev more megapixel need bigger sensor please let me know if ım wrong.
but htc went with another gimmick 1080p come on what is the difference with 720p hich is 312 ppi more than our eyes can notice it.
HTC ONE X had best display 2012 why didnt HTC just make that screen even better instead they went more resolution i just got to chance to compare both screens about half an hour ago htc one x brighter contrast and wieving angles same so now we have dimmer screen uses more energy plus more work on GPU. its like degrading.
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To the naked eye there is no difference between 720 and 1080
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this level of english, comprehend i cannot

ShapesBlue said:
To the naked eye there is no difference between 720 and 1080
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thats my point plus uses more juice it would been better if they even made htc one x screen better

ShapesBlue said:
To the naked eye there is no difference between 720 and 1080
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i can defo see that the screen on the one is much sharper than on the one x or one x plus.

cihanleanne said:
thats my point plus uses more juice it would been better if they even made htc one x screen better
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that makes more sense.
ok, look around. droid dna 1080p , lg optimus g pro 1080p, s4 1080p, new motorola x's 1080p,
so if htc one = 720p, who would buy it? explain.
(100marks)

conantroutman said:
Beats.
That is all.
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^this.. biggest gimmick ever .. and they put that logo in the back to fool people.. touche
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Chillz88 said:
^this.. biggest gimmick ever .. and they put that logo in the back to fool people.. touche
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But on many reviews, Beats Audio was marked as an advantage of HTC One X Or One X sound is superior than S3 because of Beats Audio

compact_bijou said:
But this one goes up to 11. That's one more.
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Why don't you just make ten the loudest?
This one goes to eleven.
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r89HTC said:
i can defo see that the screen on the one is much sharper than on the one x or one x plus.
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And it might have taken the fabrication facilities 'til now to make 1080p displays with an
acceptable level of manufacturing yield like with the problems of large AMOLED screens.
Calling innovation a gimmick is retarded.

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And it might have taken the fabrication facilities 'til now to make 1080p displays with an
acceptable level of manufacturing yield like with the problems of large AMOLED screens.
Calling innovation a gimmick is retarded.
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innivation? am i being retardat? hey what benefit do you get out of it do you see any difference between 720p to 1080p its a gimmick going 720p wasnt cos you can tell different but 720p to 1080p on 4.7 inch screen no unless you are usuing magnefind glass

In theory you shouldn't really see a different at 720p with 300ppi+ to 1080p screens. But there really is a different, you'll see when you put the HTC One X and HTC One next to each other, the HTC One is just sharper, especially in movies and pictures and overall the whole system. Even review sites have suggested it's a lot better and they thought '1080p' screen was useless and a waste of battery until 1080p screen started coming out.

shiningarmor said:
that makes more sense.
ok, look around. droid dna 1080p , lg optimus g pro 1080p, s4 1080p, new motorola x's 1080p,
so if htc one = 720p, who would buy it? explain.
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Hi of course i would Samsung galaxy s4 has 13 magapixel Htc one has 4 and i like the idea i dont care about exesive numbers which the case 1080p cos i have seen htc one x look brighter look superior actually if they even improved that screen would be much better.
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In theory you shouldn't really see a different at 720p with 300ppi+ to 1080p screens. But there really is a different, you'll see when you put the HTC One X and HTC One next to each other, the HTC One is just sharper, especially in movies and pictures and overall the whole system. Even review sites have suggested it's a lot better and they thought '1080p' screen was useless and a waste of battery until 1080p screen started coming out.
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i have compared both devices and i couldnt tell any difference. actually one x looked brighter

cihanleanne said:
i have compared both devices and i couldnt tell any difference. actually one x looked brighter
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Seems like you're here to call new stuff a gimmick, to argue for lack of innovation, poorer screens and to complain that HTC don't make phones to suit only you.
That is retarded.

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LOL, no Spinal Tap.

1080p on phones?

So I I have been researching extensively and reading many articles about 1080p screens on smartphones..... And I think I have figured it out. The human eye cannot see a difference between a 1080p smartphone and a 720p smartphone, however, there are a few drawbacks to having 1080p on a phone. One of them is battery life. It seems to use much more battery to display a 1080p resolution as opposed to a 720p resolution. And that gets multiplied when you're gaming. Also, applications and games will take up much more space then they did previously if they are optimized for the 1080p resolution. So my question is what do you guys think about the new 1080p smartphone screen Resolution Revolution? I'm hoping it doesn't make it into the Nexus 5, but that's just me.
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It's a marketing thing. Companies are going to do it because they feel like they have to and to be able to say true HD!! And think of all the tech blogs that will take a new phone down a peg or two for having "last year tech." But ultimately it's another megahertz or megapixel thing.
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Endoran said:
It's a marketing thing. Companies are going to do it because they feel like they have to and to be able to say true HD!! And think of all the tech blogs that will take a new phone down a peg or two for having "last year tech." But ultimately it's another megahertz or megapixel thing.
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Reminds me of the old days when Intel just kept upping the clockspeed on their CPU's. So what if the tiny FSB choked the movement of information down to a crawl? The standard consumer didn't know any better. The number was higher, so people bought it. In the end, it's business. You do what sells. Gimmicks sell.
*cough* Siri *cough*

1080P is utterly useless in my opinion. To be honest I can't tell the difference between my HTC One and Nexus 4 in display. 1080P should stick with HDTVs. Imagine a 4K res phone in the future and how useless it is in a 4.7 and 5 inch screen -.-

I don't really understand the need for 1080P either. Hopefully Google realizes this and sticks with 720P for the next Nexus or Moto X phone.

Its a bloody 4-5" screen, 720p looks gorgeous, with that being said, if it costs no extra battery life and performance, than 1080p on a phone is not something worth complaining about.
However when I see 1366x768 on 15.6" laptops, than I am just dissapointed.

Have any of you actually seen a 720p and 1080p screen side by side? You can definitely see a difference...well at least I can. Every time anything gets a spec bump there are always you people saying "what's the point of blah blah blah". The point of it is that its possible so why not. Its a step forward...so we should just keep phones at 720p for as long as they become irrelevant? Should we keep laptop displays at 1080p?
No that's why we have a retina iPad and Macbook and a Chromebook Pixel and a Nexus 10. Just because the difference isn't as vast as 480p-720p doesn't mean its a useless change. A 1080p HD screen looks better than a 720p screen for me and many others and just because you cannot discern the difference doesn't mean it's pointless or useless.
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Serious_Beans said:
Have any of you actually seen a 720p and 1080p screen side by side? You can definitely see a difference...well at least I can. Every time anything gets a spec bump there are always you people saying "what's the point of blah blah blah". The point of it is that its possible so why not. Its a step forward...so we should just keep phones at 720p for as long as they become irrelevant? Should we keep laptop displays at 1080p?
No that's why we have a retina iPad and Macbook and a Chromebook Pixel and a Nexus 10. Just because the difference isn't as vast as 480p-720p doesn't mean its a useless change. A 1080p HD screen looks better than a 720p screen for me and many others and just because you cannot discern the difference doesn't mean it's pointless or useless.
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I have. There is no difference in my opinion. I don't know if its my eyes or not but 720P and 1080P look different only in displays larger than 10 inches for me personally. To be honest it just puts more stress on battery and/or CPU on gaming since it needs to render at 1920 x 1080.

blahblah13233 said:
I have. There is no difference in my opinion. I don't know if its my eyes or not but 720P and 1080P look different only in displays larger than 10 inches for me personally. To be honest it just puts more stress on battery and/or CPU on gaming since it needs to render at 1920 x 1080.
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U must have sum eye problem there bro, put an HTC one next to HTC one x then tell me u don't see any difference, then I will tell you to see an optician.
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blahblah13233 said:
I have. There is no difference in my opinion. I don't know if its my eyes or not but 720P and 1080P look different only in displays larger than 10 inches for me personally. To be honest it just puts more stress on battery and/or CPU on gaming since it needs to render at 1920 x 1080.
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IMHO the quality of the technology driving the resolution is more important than the res itself. Super Amoled v. Ips+ and such. In most cases however I think a distinguishable difference is present from my gnex to this DNA. And my battery dumps on that device.. Even though we all know the gnex has blah blah blah battery. I get 17hrs on moderate use. Never before. Soo personal preference? Although I'd take the n4 ANY DAY.
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Tybaltus Prime said:
IMHO the quality of the technology driving the resolution is more important than the res itself. Super Amoled v. Ips+ and such. In most cases however I think a distinguishable difference is present from my gnex to this DNA. And my battery dumps on that device.. Even though we all know the gnex has blah blah blah battery. I get 17hrs on moderate use. Never before. Soo personal preference? Although I'd take the n4 ANY DAY.
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More so true. I dont like the oversaturated Super Amoled had after seeing the Galaxy Nexus had. Even if they had a 1080P res. Droid phones usually have better battery but say the Nexus 4 had a 1080P screen and with the battery it has now. It'll die out faster.

I mean 720P to FHD is important on a television sure but, in that situation it's easier to notice the bump in Res. In phones I doubt most consumers would even know the difference between qHD, 720P, and 1080P. If it's possible to add FHD w/o impacting battery+perf significantly then I all for it however if we must suffer with these tiny 3000>2xxxmah batteries then the tradeoff isn't worth it IMO. Increasing battery should be a top priority, the Razr MAXX battery should be in every high end phone.

Reminds me of camera phone megapixel discussions I have had with friends. "I have more megapixels than you do, then my camera is better" which isn't necessarily true. Anything pass 8mp isn't really needed because the majority of us will not be enlarging pictures to the point where the difference is noticeable(I think its 20x20 or 30x30). Also, the lens plays a large role as well but enough of the pixel talk.
720 is like the 8mp phone camera, it'll meet our needs and even exceed them dependent on the technology. 1080p screens just play into peoples ego's and the logic that bigger = better. We are programmed to think that way and the companies play us for the fools that we are.
Instead of a 1080p screen, I'd take a higher capacity battery and a 720p screen any day.
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Nexus 4 at 720p = 320 ppi. At 1080p it would be 480 ppi. If you think the naked eye at typical viewing distances can resolve the difference with all other things being equal, you need to see a psychiatrist instead of an optician.
Pushing 50% more pixels is going to take more CPU/GPU, hence more battery, again all things being equal. I'll take higher frame rates and lower overhead of 720p every time as those are actually noticeable.
But feel free to buy into the hype of 1080p on on a display the size of a pack of smokes, or 14Mp on a camera sensor the size of a match head. You'll make the marketing suits very happy. (c;

There is a video on YouTube somewhere, on it they are playing the same film on 2 tellys, they are both 42 inches and one is 720p and one is 1080p and just about no one can tell the difference.

I think most are not seeing the difference in resolution between 720/1080p on a phone, but instead seeing different screen technologies and attributing that to the screens resolution... IE - Super Amoled with its over-saturation and great blacks vs LCD IPS, etc.....
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Is there a difference between 720p and 1080p? Well of course there is, but I don't think its a night and day difference. If I go 1080P on a smartphone I want the screen to be at leat 5.5.
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NardVa said:
Is there a difference between 720p and 1080p? Well of course there is, but I don't think its a night and day difference. If I go 1080P on a smartphone I want the screen to be at leat 5.5.
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Well, you can see the difference if you hold it 1cm away from your eyes.
we don't really need more than 720p on 4.3-5" displays in my opinion.
It's just ridiculous that 4.7" phones have displays with up to 1920x1080 pixel, yet 15.6" laptops are mostly stuck at 1366x768.
Also, why the hell do we have 27" PC monitors with 1080p? (Sure, there are some with 2560x1440 but those are way too expensive. Hell, I'm not going to pay 800€ for such a monitor)
That's just pure bull****.
Instead of pushing 1080p on phones and 1600p on tablets, they should push the resolution of laptops and desktop computers.

its called advancements and bragging rights of owning something thats better... and for battery life, I bet making a new battery design right now, slimmer and bigger cap....
tech advanced is really picking up right now compare to years ago...

[Q] Why is the screen resolution so high?

Honestly, is it really needed?
Wouldn't a 1080p 16:9 screen offer better performance (less work for the GPU), better battery life and still be good enough to browse the web and watch full HD videos?
In every video of the Nexus 10 I've seen, it never looks quite as smooth as the Nexus 4 and 7 do

The Nexus 10 was going up against Apple's Retina display on iPads, which also boast a ridiculous resolution I believe. I could be wrong, but I believe the Nexus 10 has better numbers for both PPI and Resolution.

Yes, @espionage724, it is higher on both counts. It also operates extremely smoothly—it is one of the fastest Android tablets I've ever used, including the Nexus 7. The GPU won't be as much as a problem with Android 4.3, either. Lots of optimizations coming there! See "Android Graphics Performance" on the Android Developers Channel.
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I think its to high for now and i preffered much better quality overall ( deeper blacks , better color control , more little or not at all light bleeding, more slim and more battery life ) vs extra ultra mega extrem orgasmic number of pixels .
I need the best resolution , the best screen but only if the device can support it .
Nexus 10 could have done better but i think next nexus will be a Big Bang ..
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And why did you buy it? I agree with your arguments. But if screen resolution isn't that important to you, maybe there would have been better choices for you to make. I own this tablet since a few days and am completly happy with it. Though I'm lookin forward to the improvements somebody mentioned above for Android 4.3 when can we expect it for nexus devices?
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The resolution looks and works great with games, though, but I'm sure a few (Real Racer 3) suffer for it, due to the ridiculous resolution.

Nexus devices has always been about pushing the hardware development and possibilities of devices. My galaxy nexus was the first phone with 720p HD display.
Beamed from my CM10.1 Galaxy Nexus

dibblebill said:
The resolution looks and works great with games, though, but I'm sure a few (Real Racer 3) suffer for it, due to the ridiculous resolution.
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RR3 suffers from lack of optimization, it doesn't even run at full resolution, more like 50% or less.

brees75 said:
RR3 suffers from lack of optimization, it doesn't even run at full resolution, more like 50% or less.
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Which is a shame. It looks GORGEOUS when forced to higher details, or when run on the Ouya, but I really wish EA had spent more time on it.

LooieENG said:
Honestly, is it really needed?
Wouldn't a 1080p 16:9 screen offer better performance (less work for the GPU), better battery life and still be good enough to browse the web and watch full HD videos?
In every video of the Nexus 10 I've seen, it never looks quite as smooth as the Nexus 4 and 7 do
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You raise some valid concerns. It all depends if you think the ultra-sharp resolution is worth it. I'm a bit of a videophile and I love how sharp it is, but it does eat into battery life, as you say. I only use it at home, so battery life is not a concern for me.
You are right that 1080p is a much better resolution for most users, which is why no other Android tablet uses such a high resolution. There are some upcoming high-res tablets that have just been announced recently, but nothing else on the market now. Compare that to the Retina iPad, which was available eight months earlier and has sold tens of millions, while estimates are that the Nexus 10 probably still hasn't sold 1 million.
As espionage724 and Herman76 say, google was just looking to push the market forward and respond to the Retina iPad, an effort that has largely failed, though for the valid reasons that you list. Even the Retina iPad had many complaints about overheating and power draw, even though iOS is a more power-efficient OS than Android. Google probably doesn't really care how well the Nexus 10 sells, it's just a tech demo for them, to push others to match the iPad.

For me, it's not really an issue of video/picture quality at all-- above 720p/1080p, it's hard for me to pick out the difference. But for text, that extra bit of crispness makes a huge difference for me. I mainly consume textual content on my devices, and the difference between the Nexus 10 and ASUS Transformer Pad is enormous on this front. Videos? Either or will work for me.

Rirere said:
For me, it's not really an issue of video/picture quality at all-- above 720p/1080p, it's hard for me to pick out the difference. But for text, that extra bit of crispness makes a huge difference for me. I mainly consume textual content on my devices, and the difference between the Nexus 10 and ASUS Transformer Pad is enormous on this front. Videos? Either or will work for me.
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If you're talking about the Transformer Pad TF300T, as your signature seems to indicate, that's because it has a resolution of 1280 X 800, for a PPI of 149. That's a big difference with the Nexus 10's PPI of 300. A 1080p tablet like we're talking about, for example, the Transformer Pad Infinity TF700T with a resolution of 1920 X 1200 at 224 PPI, is not going to show as much of a difference, since the PPI is about 70% of the Nexus 10, instead of 50% with your TF300T.
1080p is probably completely overkill for a smartphone, but it may be the perfect resolution for a tablet, with current technology.

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If you're talking about the Transformer Pad TF300T, as your signature seems to indicate, that's because it has a resolution of 1280 X 800, for a PPI of 149. That's a big difference with the Nexus 10's PPI of 300. A 1080p tablet like we're talking about, for example, the Transformer Pad Infinity TF700T with a resolution of 1920 X 1200 at 224 PPI, is not going to show as much of a difference, since the PPI is about 70% of the Nexus 10, instead of 50% with your TF300T.
1080p is probably completely overkill for a smartphone, but it may be the perfect resolution for a tablet, with current technology.
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I'm well aware, thanks. With many tablets still being sold with WXGA screens, it becomes a frustrating chore at times, particularly as many people still do not know the difference between full HD and HD.
In any event, 720p to 1080p is noticeable for me in text rendering, and depending on your screen technology of choice (SAMOLED, PenTile, etc.), it can make a perceptible difference.

Rirere said:
In any event, 720p to 1080p is noticeable for me in text rendering, and depending on your screen technology of choice (SAMOLED, PenTile, etc.), it can make a perceptible difference.
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Right, my point is whether you'd be able to tell the difference for the jump from 1080p to 1600p, which is what's on the Nexus 10. My Zenbook Prime ultrabook has a 13" 1080p screen and the text is plenty sharp. We're debating whether anything beyond 1080p is overkill for a 10" tablet, given that you won't find any video beyond 1080p and you probably won't notice any difference in text, when making the jump to 1600p.

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Right, my point is whether you'd be able to tell the difference for the jump from 1080p to 1600p, which is what's on the Nexus 10. My Zenbook Prime ultrabook has a 13" 1080p screen and the text is plenty sharp. We're debating whether anything beyond 1080p is overkill for a 10" tablet, given that you won't find any video beyond 1080p and you probably won't notice any difference in text, when making the jump to 1600p.
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It comes down to text, and it's not really much of a "debate"-- personally, I can make out the difference on a 10" panel, so the resolution bump is good for me, especially over longer periods of time. I'd easily submit though that that varies from user to user, and even then from one use case to another (i.e. extended reading for novels and books/reports, or well-spaced publications).

Nope that wrong. It was the rezound from HTC but I get your general point.
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ayo234 said:
Nope that wrong. It was the rezound from HTC but I get your general point.
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Could you clarify what exactly you're saying was "wrong"/who you're actually responding to?

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Could you clarify what exactly you're saying was "wrong"/who you're actually responding to?
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A bit late, but I'm pretty sure he was talking about the poster who stated that his Galaxy Nexus was the first 720p phone on the first page of this thread.

LooieENG said:
Honestly, is it really needed?
Wouldn't a 1080p 16:9 screen offer better performance (less work for the GPU), better battery life and still be good enough to browse the web and watch full HD videos?
In every video of the Nexus 10 I've seen, it never looks quite as smooth as the Nexus 4 and 7 do
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because it's fit to 320dpi
a lot of apps can easily be revised to a tablet UI

ayo234 said:
Nope that wrong. It was the rezound from HTC but I get your general point.
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Talking about the first 720p being the S3. He is correct the Rezound was the first 720p phone by several weeks also it was smaller than the s3 so very high dpi. I had one. The reason I bought the Nexus 10 was the screen resolution. There were already plenty of 10" tablets with a 1080p screen.
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