So I I have been researching extensively and reading many articles about 1080p screens on smartphones..... And I think I have figured it out. The human eye cannot see a difference between a 1080p smartphone and a 720p smartphone, however, there are a few drawbacks to having 1080p on a phone. One of them is battery life. It seems to use much more battery to display a 1080p resolution as opposed to a 720p resolution. And that gets multiplied when you're gaming. Also, applications and games will take up much more space then they did previously if they are optimized for the 1080p resolution. So my question is what do you guys think about the new 1080p smartphone screen Resolution Revolution? I'm hoping it doesn't make it into the Nexus 5, but that's just me.
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It's a marketing thing. Companies are going to do it because they feel like they have to and to be able to say true HD!! And think of all the tech blogs that will take a new phone down a peg or two for having "last year tech." But ultimately it's another megahertz or megapixel thing.
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It's a marketing thing. Companies are going to do it because they feel like they have to and to be able to say true HD!! And think of all the tech blogs that will take a new phone down a peg or two for having "last year tech." But ultimately it's another megahertz or megapixel thing.
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Reminds me of the old days when Intel just kept upping the clockspeed on their CPU's. So what if the tiny FSB choked the movement of information down to a crawl? The standard consumer didn't know any better. The number was higher, so people bought it. In the end, it's business. You do what sells. Gimmicks sell.
*cough* Siri *cough*
1080P is utterly useless in my opinion. To be honest I can't tell the difference between my HTC One and Nexus 4 in display. 1080P should stick with HDTVs. Imagine a 4K res phone in the future and how useless it is in a 4.7 and 5 inch screen -.-
I don't really understand the need for 1080P either. Hopefully Google realizes this and sticks with 720P for the next Nexus or Moto X phone.
Its a bloody 4-5" screen, 720p looks gorgeous, with that being said, if it costs no extra battery life and performance, than 1080p on a phone is not something worth complaining about.
However when I see 1366x768 on 15.6" laptops, than I am just dissapointed.
Have any of you actually seen a 720p and 1080p screen side by side? You can definitely see a difference...well at least I can. Every time anything gets a spec bump there are always you people saying "what's the point of blah blah blah". The point of it is that its possible so why not. Its a step forward...so we should just keep phones at 720p for as long as they become irrelevant? Should we keep laptop displays at 1080p?
No that's why we have a retina iPad and Macbook and a Chromebook Pixel and a Nexus 10. Just because the difference isn't as vast as 480p-720p doesn't mean its a useless change. A 1080p HD screen looks better than a 720p screen for me and many others and just because you cannot discern the difference doesn't mean it's pointless or useless.
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Have any of you actually seen a 720p and 1080p screen side by side? You can definitely see a difference...well at least I can. Every time anything gets a spec bump there are always you people saying "what's the point of blah blah blah". The point of it is that its possible so why not. Its a step forward...so we should just keep phones at 720p for as long as they become irrelevant? Should we keep laptop displays at 1080p?
No that's why we have a retina iPad and Macbook and a Chromebook Pixel and a Nexus 10. Just because the difference isn't as vast as 480p-720p doesn't mean its a useless change. A 1080p HD screen looks better than a 720p screen for me and many others and just because you cannot discern the difference doesn't mean it's pointless or useless.
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I have. There is no difference in my opinion. I don't know if its my eyes or not but 720P and 1080P look different only in displays larger than 10 inches for me personally. To be honest it just puts more stress on battery and/or CPU on gaming since it needs to render at 1920 x 1080.
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I have. There is no difference in my opinion. I don't know if its my eyes or not but 720P and 1080P look different only in displays larger than 10 inches for me personally. To be honest it just puts more stress on battery and/or CPU on gaming since it needs to render at 1920 x 1080.
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U must have sum eye problem there bro, put an HTC one next to HTC one x then tell me u don't see any difference, then I will tell you to see an optician.
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I have. There is no difference in my opinion. I don't know if its my eyes or not but 720P and 1080P look different only in displays larger than 10 inches for me personally. To be honest it just puts more stress on battery and/or CPU on gaming since it needs to render at 1920 x 1080.
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IMHO the quality of the technology driving the resolution is more important than the res itself. Super Amoled v. Ips+ and such. In most cases however I think a distinguishable difference is present from my gnex to this DNA. And my battery dumps on that device.. Even though we all know the gnex has blah blah blah battery. I get 17hrs on moderate use. Never before. Soo personal preference? Although I'd take the n4 ANY DAY.
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IMHO the quality of the technology driving the resolution is more important than the res itself. Super Amoled v. Ips+ and such. In most cases however I think a distinguishable difference is present from my gnex to this DNA. And my battery dumps on that device.. Even though we all know the gnex has blah blah blah battery. I get 17hrs on moderate use. Never before. Soo personal preference? Although I'd take the n4 ANY DAY.
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More so true. I dont like the oversaturated Super Amoled had after seeing the Galaxy Nexus had. Even if they had a 1080P res. Droid phones usually have better battery but say the Nexus 4 had a 1080P screen and with the battery it has now. It'll die out faster.
I mean 720P to FHD is important on a television sure but, in that situation it's easier to notice the bump in Res. In phones I doubt most consumers would even know the difference between qHD, 720P, and 1080P. If it's possible to add FHD w/o impacting battery+perf significantly then I all for it however if we must suffer with these tiny 3000>2xxxmah batteries then the tradeoff isn't worth it IMO. Increasing battery should be a top priority, the Razr MAXX battery should be in every high end phone.
Reminds me of camera phone megapixel discussions I have had with friends. "I have more megapixels than you do, then my camera is better" which isn't necessarily true. Anything pass 8mp isn't really needed because the majority of us will not be enlarging pictures to the point where the difference is noticeable(I think its 20x20 or 30x30). Also, the lens plays a large role as well but enough of the pixel talk.
720 is like the 8mp phone camera, it'll meet our needs and even exceed them dependent on the technology. 1080p screens just play into peoples ego's and the logic that bigger = better. We are programmed to think that way and the companies play us for the fools that we are.
Instead of a 1080p screen, I'd take a higher capacity battery and a 720p screen any day.
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Nexus 4 at 720p = 320 ppi. At 1080p it would be 480 ppi. If you think the naked eye at typical viewing distances can resolve the difference with all other things being equal, you need to see a psychiatrist instead of an optician.
Pushing 50% more pixels is going to take more CPU/GPU, hence more battery, again all things being equal. I'll take higher frame rates and lower overhead of 720p every time as those are actually noticeable.
But feel free to buy into the hype of 1080p on on a display the size of a pack of smokes, or 14Mp on a camera sensor the size of a match head. You'll make the marketing suits very happy. (c;
There is a video on YouTube somewhere, on it they are playing the same film on 2 tellys, they are both 42 inches and one is 720p and one is 1080p and just about no one can tell the difference.
I think most are not seeing the difference in resolution between 720/1080p on a phone, but instead seeing different screen technologies and attributing that to the screens resolution... IE - Super Amoled with its over-saturation and great blacks vs LCD IPS, etc.....
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Is there a difference between 720p and 1080p? Well of course there is, but I don't think its a night and day difference. If I go 1080P on a smartphone I want the screen to be at leat 5.5.
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Is there a difference between 720p and 1080p? Well of course there is, but I don't think its a night and day difference. If I go 1080P on a smartphone I want the screen to be at leat 5.5.
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Well, you can see the difference if you hold it 1cm away from your eyes.
we don't really need more than 720p on 4.3-5" displays in my opinion.
It's just ridiculous that 4.7" phones have displays with up to 1920x1080 pixel, yet 15.6" laptops are mostly stuck at 1366x768.
Also, why the hell do we have 27" PC monitors with 1080p? (Sure, there are some with 2560x1440 but those are way too expensive. Hell, I'm not going to pay 800€ for such a monitor)
That's just pure bull****.
Instead of pushing 1080p on phones and 1600p on tablets, they should push the resolution of laptops and desktop computers.
its called advancements and bragging rights of owning something thats better... and for battery life, I bet making a new battery design right now, slimmer and bigger cap....
tech advanced is really picking up right now compare to years ago...
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Obviously, the ipad 3's new retina screen resolution can't be topped, whereas samsung's super amoled has better contrast ratios. Which screen will be more impressive in your opinion once the ipad 3 arrives in stores this friday?
I was kinda wondering this too. I watched a live feed about the reveal, and Im more than happy with my 7.7. Its still the best 7" tablet out there, and Ive never been an apple fan. And doubt I ever will be.
I have an iPad 3 on the way because I have more money than sense. If people are nice I will do a side by side screen comparison.
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I have an iPad 3 on the way because I have more money than sense. If people are nice I will do a side by side screen comparison.
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rofl, I felt like I had more money than sense when I bought the 7.7 to replace my 8.9, but even though the iPad3 is probably going to look amazing, I can't stomach the Apple ecosystem. I got rid of my iPod, which was my first ever mp3 player, maybe six years ago after a four year run or so. I can only pray that some day, iTunes will rot in the special hell it deserves.
Whether people are nice enough for the comparison, thanks for a good laugh.
I love the 7.7 screen, I mostly use it for movie/tv watching, cant see myself ever going back to lcd panels. I had an ipad 2 and some archos devices before but they dont come close to the display quality of the 7.7.
And the 7.7 formfactor is perfect for me.
Look forward to seeing the ipad 3 screen in action
High resolution is nice, but almost all content will be blown up, not native. The dummied up examples that tech sites keep using are full of crap. Until 2048*1536 becomes default standard, i'll take amoled & native.
Wish I had more money than sense, LOL. I had to return my 7.0 plus, and a blackberry playbook to afford my 7.7. And it was worth every cent!
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High resolution is nice, but almost all content will be blown up, not native. The dummied up examples that tech sites keep using are full of crap. Until 2048*1536 becomes default standard, i'll take amoled & native.
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We shall see, but I think older apps will just display in their native resolution rather than be upscaled. Where the "Retina" display will shine will be with text and photos.
I won't have time to video a proper comparison until maybe the week after the new iPad comes in, but I will show them both with a PDF, the XDA website, a 1080p video, and maybe Osmos HD or something. Any requests?
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We shall see, but I think older apps will just display in their native resolution rather than be upscaled. Where the "Retina" display will shine will be with text and photos.
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Maybe a side by side comparison under direct sunlight?
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High resolution is nice, but almost all content will be blown up, not native. The dummied up examples that tech sites keep using are full of crap. Until 2048*1536 becomes default standard, i'll take amoled & native.
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What content are you talking about? Certainly games for iPad2 will not be rendered at the full resolution, and it will probably be a while before many games are actually written for 2048x1536. Still, images and video--whose most common resolution nowadays, 1280x720, is already larger than the iPad2, not to mention 1080p blu-ray-sourced video--will certainly be able to take advantage. That's not even to mention the massive readability benefit for small text on web pages and documents.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to buy an iPad3 and I am never going to give up my Super AMOLED+ on my 7.7 until there is a WUXGA or better 8-9" tablet, but downplaying the benefit of a high-res screen just strikes me as foolish.
I wonder if a 720p content would still look good on that really high resolution
Last few week I've almost sell-off my iPad2 for a Galaxy TAB 7.7.
Now I'm stucked and in the same situation like lots of other people.
If Samsung could replace all their Galaxy TAB 8.9 & 10.1 LCD screen with a Super AMOLED FHD screen, then I'll buy 1. Until then, I'm getting the new iPad this weekend.
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Last few week I've almost sell-off my iPad2 for a Galaxy TAB 7.7.
Now I'm stucked and in the same situation like lots of other people.
If Samsung could replace all their Galaxy TAB 8.9 & 10.1 LCD screen with a Super AMOLED FHD screen, then I'll buy 1. Until then, I'm getting the new iPad this weekend.
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I can only imagine the possible technical difficulties when making 8.9 and 10.1 SuperAMOLED screens, they are even having issues with the 4.65 on the Nexus, 5.3 on the Note. All are quality related issues.
Although I really hate the closed system of iOS, but after using my friends ipad2 for a week, Im starting to like the tablet specific apps it has as compared to andriod.
At least with IPS, I only need to check for backlight bleeding, though Im worried what will happen to the 720p playback of my files since they are now going to be upscaled.
IMO, the New iPad's huge screen resolution is a cool idea and all, but for me, the 7.7's form factor and colour/contrast ratio are the biggest selling points (apart from NOT being Apple of course!).
I mean, if Apple is stating that a "Retina" display is determined by a ratio of viewing distance vs the ability to discern individual pixels, well then by that right (at least for me), the 7.7 already fit's that category under most viewing scenarios (again, for me).
In other words, under most circumstances, I already can't discern individual pixels on my 7.7 anyway, so just adding more of them isn't going to make a difference to me.
What does make a difference, is the superior contrast ratio of SAMOLED. Being that the New iPad's retina display is still an LCD, it is therefore very unlikely that it will be able to compete with SAMOLED in the contrast ratio department.
I suppose the ultimate display would be something of a hybrid of SAMOLED and IPS LCD, where you might have each individual pixel backlit by a single LED.
obviously it's going to be the new ipad there is no contest. I love android thats why i have a the 7.7 but i also love the ipad infact ill be getting my new ipad 64gb 3g at&t and a white 16gb wifi for my wife.
With that insane resolution and a quadcore gpu with buttery smooth OS i'll be a one happy camper.
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IMO, the New iPad's huge screen resolution is a cool idea and all, but for me, the 7.7's form factor and colour/contrast ratio are the biggest selling points (apart from NOT being Apple of course!).
I mean, if Apple is stating that a "Retina" display is determined by a ratio of viewing distance vs the ability to discern individual pixels, well then by that right (at least for me), the 7.7 already fit's that category under most viewing scenarios (again, for me).
In other words, under most circumstances, I already can't discern individual pixels on my 7.7 anyway, so just adding more of them isn't going to make a difference to me.
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For you, maybe. The pixels and rasterized fonts are quite visible to me on the 7.7 from arm's length.
Mind you, I quite like the 7.7 and am not going to get rid of it (Heck, I'll probably keep my now "old" 10.1). But, there will be lots of areas where it simply won't hold a candle to the new screen on the iPad.
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For you, maybe. The pixels and rasterized fonts are quite visible to me on the 7.7 from arm's length.
Mind you, I quite like the 7.7 and am not going to get rid of it (Heck, I'll probably keep my now "old" 10.1). But, there will be lots of areas where it simply won't hold a candle to the new screen on the iPad.
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Fair enough. I guess my point was that contrast, colour, and brightness are more important factors to me than sheer resolution. In that sense, especially with contrast, the new iPad display can't hold a candle up to SAMOLED+. Each one has its advantages I suppose.
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What content are you talking about? Certainly games for iPad2 will not be rendered at the full resolution, and it will probably be a while before many games are actually written for 2048x1536. Still, images and video--whose most common resolution nowadays, 1280x720, is already larger than the iPad2, not to mention 1080p blu-ray-sourced video--will certainly be able to take advantage. That's not even to mention the massive readability benefit for small text on web pages and documents.
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Web pages and flowable documents should look great, as should images. Video will have to be scaled or be too small. The algorithm for stretching video won't be perfect. Same situation as SD video on an HDTV. They won't look the way they were meant to be viewed (inferior IMO) and will need adjustments. Games will need to have the increased resolution taken into account or look crap when they get stretched. Apps will be in the same situation.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to buy an iPad3 and I am never going to give up my Super AMOLED+ on my 7.7 until there is a WUXGA or better 8-9" tablet, but downplaying the benefit of a high-res screen just strikes me as foolish.
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High-res is great when everything takes it into account or content that isn't resolution dependent. There is this assumption with ipad3 that everything will just automagically look incredible.
Well, all of this is just speculation anyway. We shall see soon enough.
7.7 : Super AMOLED Plus
ipad3 : Retina Display (same as Iphone 4)
7.7 : 1280 x 800 pixels, 7.7 inches - (~ 196 ppi density)
ipad 3 : 1536 x 2048 pixels, 9.7 inches (~264 ppi density)
7.7 : Single Core GPU Mali-400
ipad 3 : Quad Core PowerVR SGX543MP4
i think we should say (even it's hard) apple bite Samsung now *sobbing
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Do you think the Note 3 will come with a 1080p non pentile screen or 1080p pentile?
I hope it's non pentile, love the RGB SAMOLED on Note II. 1080p RGB SAMOLED is going to be awesome, It's already awesome as it is
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^AMOLED is OLED. SLCD? Doubt it.
It better be 1080p rgb if they want me to "upgrade". Though I'm not that interested in 1080p, the reported energy savings of the newest oled screens is alluring.
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It better be 1080p rgb if they want me to "upgrade". Though I'm not that interested in 1080p, the reported energy savings of the newest oled screens is alluring.
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Yeah, 1080p isn't a dealbreaker for me. I don't honestly still see much difference on a good, well calibrated 720 vs 1080p screens. Probably people with perfect 20/20 vision are the ones who swear they see it, but anyways, I'm more than good with 720p
If they switch to pentile instead of rgb, doesn't matter if it's 1080p, would surely feel awful tbh. Hate pentile displays
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Look at both screens there, Note II and S4.
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Amoled screens have low brightness so I hope they increase the brightness on outdoor
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Amoled screens have low brightness so I hope they increase the brightness on outdoor
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Actually, it is possible to increase brightness of AMOLEDs a lot - but that would degrade the screen super-fast. Hence the low brightness levels/limits. And obviously the battery drain would be massive considering the whites draining a lot of battery already.
I honestly cannot see the point in a 1080p screen on a phone, not that it is a bad thing by any means, but I find the current resolution more than adequate and more pixels mean higher battery drain/more stress on the gpu.
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I honestly cannot see the point in a 1080p screen on a phone, not that it is a bad thing by any means, but I find the current resolution more than adequate and more pixels mean higher battery drain/more stress on the gpu.
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In Microeconomics, in consumer choice theory, when analysis the indifference curve, there is a assumption knows as non-satiation, search them up.
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I honestly cannot see the point in a 1080p screen on a phone, not that it is a bad thing by any means, but I find the current resolution more than adequate and more pixels mean higher battery drain/more stress on the gpu.
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+1. Can hardly notice any difference between those full HD phones and my Note II after calibration. Actually to me N2 looks quite superior to many of those screens. Don't usually put screens under microscopes though
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In Microeconomics, in consumer choice theory, when analysis the indifference curve, there is a assumption knows as non-satiation, search them up.
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What on earth are you talking about?
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What on earth are you talking about?
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Basically, axiom of non-satiation says "more is better".
therefore 1080p > 720p.
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Basically, axiom of non-satiation says "more is better".
therefore 1080p > 720p.
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Nope, I have already stated I would prefer battery life over more pixels, the current display is fine.
By that baseless logic, you could say "more cancer is better than less"... makes no sense.
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I honestly cannot see the point in a 1080p screen on a phone, not that it is a bad thing by any means, but I find the current resolution more than adequate and more pixels mean higher battery drain/more stress on the gpu.
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Apparently some people have super vision and can see the pixels even in a 440DPI screen. (not joking)
Well (un)luckily, I don't even have 20/20 vision (still pretty decent eyesight, mind) and I'm good with my Note 2
I think lot of the "way too obvious" differences people notice are mere placebo effect. I mean 440ppi full HD? That HAS to be WAY better right? Seeing what they want to see etc. But yeah, probably there are people with perfect super vision who can make out the difference.
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Well (un)luckily, I don't even have 20/20 vision (still pretty decent eyesight, mind) and I'm good with my Note 2
I think lot of the "way too obvious" differences people notice are mere placebo effect. I mean 440ppi full HD? That HAS to be WAY better right? Seeing what they want to see etc. But yeah, probably there are people with perfect super vision who can make out the difference.
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As soon as people needs a microscope to tell which one is better I loose interest. Even at home, when everybody is buying the new Hi-Res flat screen TV, I choose to buy a projector, It's only 720p but the size is 300cm X 170cm. No TV can beat that yet
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Honestly, is it really needed?
Wouldn't a 1080p 16:9 screen offer better performance (less work for the GPU), better battery life and still be good enough to browse the web and watch full HD videos?
In every video of the Nexus 10 I've seen, it never looks quite as smooth as the Nexus 4 and 7 do
The Nexus 10 was going up against Apple's Retina display on iPads, which also boast a ridiculous resolution I believe. I could be wrong, but I believe the Nexus 10 has better numbers for both PPI and Resolution.
Yes, @espionage724, it is higher on both counts. It also operates extremely smoothly—it is one of the fastest Android tablets I've ever used, including the Nexus 7. The GPU won't be as much as a problem with Android 4.3, either. Lots of optimizations coming there! See "Android Graphics Performance" on the Android Developers Channel.
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I think its to high for now and i preffered much better quality overall ( deeper blacks , better color control , more little or not at all light bleeding, more slim and more battery life ) vs extra ultra mega extrem orgasmic number of pixels .
I need the best resolution , the best screen but only if the device can support it .
Nexus 10 could have done better but i think next nexus will be a Big Bang ..
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And why did you buy it? I agree with your arguments. But if screen resolution isn't that important to you, maybe there would have been better choices for you to make. I own this tablet since a few days and am completly happy with it. Though I'm lookin forward to the improvements somebody mentioned above for Android 4.3 when can we expect it for nexus devices?
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The resolution looks and works great with games, though, but I'm sure a few (Real Racer 3) suffer for it, due to the ridiculous resolution.
Nexus devices has always been about pushing the hardware development and possibilities of devices. My galaxy nexus was the first phone with 720p HD display.
Beamed from my CM10.1 Galaxy Nexus
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The resolution looks and works great with games, though, but I'm sure a few (Real Racer 3) suffer for it, due to the ridiculous resolution.
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RR3 suffers from lack of optimization, it doesn't even run at full resolution, more like 50% or less.
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RR3 suffers from lack of optimization, it doesn't even run at full resolution, more like 50% or less.
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Which is a shame. It looks GORGEOUS when forced to higher details, or when run on the Ouya, but I really wish EA had spent more time on it.
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Honestly, is it really needed?
Wouldn't a 1080p 16:9 screen offer better performance (less work for the GPU), better battery life and still be good enough to browse the web and watch full HD videos?
In every video of the Nexus 10 I've seen, it never looks quite as smooth as the Nexus 4 and 7 do
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You raise some valid concerns. It all depends if you think the ultra-sharp resolution is worth it. I'm a bit of a videophile and I love how sharp it is, but it does eat into battery life, as you say. I only use it at home, so battery life is not a concern for me.
You are right that 1080p is a much better resolution for most users, which is why no other Android tablet uses such a high resolution. There are some upcoming high-res tablets that have just been announced recently, but nothing else on the market now. Compare that to the Retina iPad, which was available eight months earlier and has sold tens of millions, while estimates are that the Nexus 10 probably still hasn't sold 1 million.
As espionage724 and Herman76 say, google was just looking to push the market forward and respond to the Retina iPad, an effort that has largely failed, though for the valid reasons that you list. Even the Retina iPad had many complaints about overheating and power draw, even though iOS is a more power-efficient OS than Android. Google probably doesn't really care how well the Nexus 10 sells, it's just a tech demo for them, to push others to match the iPad.
For me, it's not really an issue of video/picture quality at all-- above 720p/1080p, it's hard for me to pick out the difference. But for text, that extra bit of crispness makes a huge difference for me. I mainly consume textual content on my devices, and the difference between the Nexus 10 and ASUS Transformer Pad is enormous on this front. Videos? Either or will work for me.
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For me, it's not really an issue of video/picture quality at all-- above 720p/1080p, it's hard for me to pick out the difference. But for text, that extra bit of crispness makes a huge difference for me. I mainly consume textual content on my devices, and the difference between the Nexus 10 and ASUS Transformer Pad is enormous on this front. Videos? Either or will work for me.
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If you're talking about the Transformer Pad TF300T, as your signature seems to indicate, that's because it has a resolution of 1280 X 800, for a PPI of 149. That's a big difference with the Nexus 10's PPI of 300. A 1080p tablet like we're talking about, for example, the Transformer Pad Infinity TF700T with a resolution of 1920 X 1200 at 224 PPI, is not going to show as much of a difference, since the PPI is about 70% of the Nexus 10, instead of 50% with your TF300T.
1080p is probably completely overkill for a smartphone, but it may be the perfect resolution for a tablet, with current technology.
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If you're talking about the Transformer Pad TF300T, as your signature seems to indicate, that's because it has a resolution of 1280 X 800, for a PPI of 149. That's a big difference with the Nexus 10's PPI of 300. A 1080p tablet like we're talking about, for example, the Transformer Pad Infinity TF700T with a resolution of 1920 X 1200 at 224 PPI, is not going to show as much of a difference, since the PPI is about 70% of the Nexus 10, instead of 50% with your TF300T.
1080p is probably completely overkill for a smartphone, but it may be the perfect resolution for a tablet, with current technology.
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I'm well aware, thanks. With many tablets still being sold with WXGA screens, it becomes a frustrating chore at times, particularly as many people still do not know the difference between full HD and HD.
In any event, 720p to 1080p is noticeable for me in text rendering, and depending on your screen technology of choice (SAMOLED, PenTile, etc.), it can make a perceptible difference.
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In any event, 720p to 1080p is noticeable for me in text rendering, and depending on your screen technology of choice (SAMOLED, PenTile, etc.), it can make a perceptible difference.
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Right, my point is whether you'd be able to tell the difference for the jump from 1080p to 1600p, which is what's on the Nexus 10. My Zenbook Prime ultrabook has a 13" 1080p screen and the text is plenty sharp. We're debating whether anything beyond 1080p is overkill for a 10" tablet, given that you won't find any video beyond 1080p and you probably won't notice any difference in text, when making the jump to 1600p.
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Right, my point is whether you'd be able to tell the difference for the jump from 1080p to 1600p, which is what's on the Nexus 10. My Zenbook Prime ultrabook has a 13" 1080p screen and the text is plenty sharp. We're debating whether anything beyond 1080p is overkill for a 10" tablet, given that you won't find any video beyond 1080p and you probably won't notice any difference in text, when making the jump to 1600p.
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It comes down to text, and it's not really much of a "debate"-- personally, I can make out the difference on a 10" panel, so the resolution bump is good for me, especially over longer periods of time. I'd easily submit though that that varies from user to user, and even then from one use case to another (i.e. extended reading for novels and books/reports, or well-spaced publications).
Nope that wrong. It was the rezound from HTC but I get your general point.
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Nope that wrong. It was the rezound from HTC but I get your general point.
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Could you clarify what exactly you're saying was "wrong"/who you're actually responding to?
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Could you clarify what exactly you're saying was "wrong"/who you're actually responding to?
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A bit late, but I'm pretty sure he was talking about the poster who stated that his Galaxy Nexus was the first 720p phone on the first page of this thread.
LooieENG said:
Honestly, is it really needed?
Wouldn't a 1080p 16:9 screen offer better performance (less work for the GPU), better battery life and still be good enough to browse the web and watch full HD videos?
In every video of the Nexus 10 I've seen, it never looks quite as smooth as the Nexus 4 and 7 do
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because it's fit to 320dpi
a lot of apps can easily be revised to a tablet UI
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Nope that wrong. It was the rezound from HTC but I get your general point.
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Talking about the first 720p being the S3. He is correct the Rezound was the first 720p phone by several weeks also it was smaller than the s3 so very high dpi. I had one. The reason I bought the Nexus 10 was the screen resolution. There were already plenty of 10" tablets with a 1080p screen.
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For me QHD displays are too much for a 5.7 inch phone. The exynos version looks pretty powerful, but I guess I`d rather have better performance than insane ppi.
Watching some on/off screen GPU benchmark reviews for the LG G3, Oppo Find 7 and S5 "Premium", the off screen (1080p) tests had an average of 51% higher scores than on screen (QHD) scores. I mean, WOW! That`s a lot! I can post the results here if you want to skip the trouble looking for it.
One guy on youtube changed his LG G3 resolution from QHD to Full HD using NOMone Resolution Changer and used Xposed to change DPI and font scale of native apps to make them work.
What do you think about this? This could possibly increase overall performance+battery life and definitely increase gaming performance.
The videos about resolution downscale on the G3:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATk2xCSgp70
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csBhVcIBV64
Sounds like you need to stay with your note 3
... and reduce resolution to 720p
and, no one cares about benchmarks..
and... lol reading above comments make me laugh
why you bought note 4 if you want to reduce it's resolution, there will be 1080p device later if you want SD805
Daaaaaamn, this a deal breaker... If I cannot reduce the resolution of the Note 4 to 4:3 CRT TV 480i letterbox... I will not buy it, what a piece of crap! I was hoping to get at least 6 months of battery life on each charge with CRT resolution... I reduced to 320i my note 3 and it lasts almost a year on a single charge. The only problem is that I am having issues watching YouTube in HD for some unknown reason.
funny stuff!
we ***** and moan that we want QHD/4K/ultra definition on our "5 inch video screens", then once we get it, we complain that it uses too much battery life, so we have to "downrez" it..
you just cant make some people happy...
I'm more curious of how the screen will look like if in 1080p, especially the pentile effect. We know that we still see the pentile effect somewhat on Note 3, not sure on Note 4's 1440p screen.
Don't really care about performance.
I can't see any difference, but I can't see any pentile on 1080p phones too so...
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if you reduce resolution to 256 x 144 battery life will be improved by a factor of 10!
much better than 1080p! OMG!
Is there any sound reason for bashing the OP ?
Just because he thinks a little bit different than you, maybe a step ahead of you ?
His idea is no nonsense.
If it IS possible to boost perfomance by lowering the resolution to e. g. Full HD, that would be quite beneficial.
Practical example: Let's talk about a game, "World of Tanks - Blitz".
Great game on the PC, not so great game on Android. Reason: Graphics are not the best. At present, there's a kind of universal version out, all reduced graphics to make sure the game works with most Android devices, even the weaker ones. Game publisher said they're working on a version you can adapt to the performance of your system. Hope they won't lie.
2560 x 1440 pixels is quite a number.
Rendering that many pixels WILL take a lot of processing power, WILL be quite a burden on the CPU and the battery.
So the results are likely to be: Great graphics but bad performance - or bad graphics because the game recognizes the overall performance as being too low for high details AND fluid gameplay.
Plus: You can watch your battery going down in no time, as rendering that mass of pixels will take a lot of power.
Let's say we've got a resolution of 853 x 480. SOUNDS like subzero quality, but don't forget the tiny screen (compared with a large PC monitor).
If it's possible to display 853 x 480 using the highest details setting, the result will look classes better than 2560 x 1440 with low details. You won't be able to spot single pixels, just a wealth of fine graphics.
So a reduced resolution and highest details will look MUCH better than highest resolution and low details. That's benefit one.
Second, gameplay will be vastly improved by a higher framerate and more CPU power for handling all the netcode and stuff.
Third, our battery will last far longer because of the lower battery drain.
Result would be a great looking, blazing fast game which won't suck your battery dry in no time,
And that's a reason to laugh at the OP, for bashing him ?
I do NOT know if reducing the resolution AND saving ressources is possible.
But IF it's possible, it would be a great step forward.
You will NOT able to see the difference between full resolution and reduced resolution on the tiny Note 4's display.
Only differences will be graphics and details quality - and higher speed, better framerates, more fluid gameplay.
And there will be always some room for compromises like slightly higher resolution and the like.
Now bash on if you still feel like.
Just a bunch of trolls. There are many people dowscaling resolution to play. I personally leave at 1080p all the time. Just restart and everything rescales to the right dpi.
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I don't know of a way to reduce it to 1080p, but wouldn't it make more sense to buy an s5? Battery life was superb on my s5, still wouldn't swap it for my note 4 though, optimise your note 4, it holds its own in terms of battery life and performance.
All depends on why you got a note4, I love the s-pen, I like the added fingerprint reader and heart rate monitor, and like the better camera with OIS. I already can't see the pixels on my Note3 though, so why would I care if I downgraded my Note4 to "only" that same resolution? Having longer battery life and higher performance for all the bits that matter to you sounds like a much better plan than having more pixels than you can possibly see.
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so why would I care if I downgraded my Note4 to "only" that same resolution?.
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You didn't get the idea at all. It's about making games run faster and with far better details. Same as with PC games.
Read my post!
Edit: It was me not reading the post correctly. Sorry !
I'd be interested in this also. I would love the ability to lower the resolution for a few apps I use on my note 4
I like this idea for performance in games and battery saving but you definitely can see the pixels on the Note3 and indeed any 1080p mobile right now. The extra resolution on the Note 4 really pays off for normal useage but games should be able to default to 1080p at the very least.
Phones should have a resolution change option like pc's these days anyway.
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You didn't get the idea at all. It's about making games run faster and with far better details. Same as with PC games.
Read my post!
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Sorry, I think you misunderstood. I was agreeing with you. My point was that I don't really "lose" anything if I downgrade the resolution as on a screen this size I can't see individual pixels even at 1080 I was also countering those who said the OP should have stuck with a note 3 by saying that the note 4 has many other improvements as well, and that the resolution, though better on paper doesn't really matter.
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Sorry, I think you misunderstood.
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Yes, I indeed did - I did not read carefully enough.
Just added a comment to my post regarding this.
Thank you for pointing this out !
NOMone resolution changer in the app store lets you bring it down to 1080P.
Hey guys, so I'm sold on the OnePlus 5 in every way but there's one glaring con that has me on the fence here. My current phone is a Nexus 6, and I LOVE the size and QHD display! Now, I realize that they don't really make 6" phones much anymore....... but the thing that really has me unsure us the 1080p display in the 5. It's an upgrade for me in every way, but a downgrade in screen resolution. My question here, is there a HUGE noticeable difference in the 1080p panel when compared to a QHD one?
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Hey guys, so I'm sold on the OnePlus 5 in every way but there's one glaring con that has me on the fence here. My current phone is a Nexus 6, and I LOVE the size and QHD display! Now, I realize that they don't really make 6" phones much anymore....... but the thing that really has me unsure us the 1080p display in the 5. It's an upgrade for me in every way, but a downgrade in screen resolution. My question here, is there a HUGE noticeable difference in the 1080p panel when compared to a QHD one?
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When I had the 3T the display was amazing. I'm my opinion 1080p for a device is solid. Doesn't drain battery like the s8.
I had a (casual) look at the OnePlus 5 yesterday and didn't notice the "missing" pixels when compared to my Nexus 6P. There is a good chance the OnePlus 5 will be next phone very soon.
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Apparently the 5's screen has improved some what on the 3T despite being essentially the same panel?
I too am disappointed at the lack of a QHD screen but I guess it's a trade off between battery drain and price.
Yeah I'm trying to think hard on this one, it's smaller, has a lower res screen, and doesn't have stereo front facing speakers like my Nexus 6. Everything else about it runs circles around this device though. Decisions decisions.....
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Having gone from Nexus 6 to OP3 and soon to OP5, I don't see the lower resolution as an issue. If comparing the screens of OP3 and N6 side by side, I'm having really hard time seeing any real difference. If I put the phone right next to my face, then yes I can see the pixels on the OP3. In normal use, there is no visible difference to me at all. So if you want to see the difference, then by pixel peeping you can see it. In real world use, for me at least the lower PPI makes no difference at all. The lack of stereo speakers when going from N6 to OP5 is a sort of bummer, but the performance and better battery life will easily make up for it.
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When I had the 3T the display was amazing. I'm my opinion 1080p for a device is solid. Doesn't drain battery like the s8.
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cant say that, my s8+ has an awesome Battery
i went from a n6p tp a op3t and didnt notice any problems with the screen, no different from normal use at all. i never regretted the decision to move...
The stereo speakers i do miss, but it is what it is
Went from a Nexus 6P and Note 4 to the OP5 and the display it just fine in terms of size and quality. I like it very much, great color balance, sharp and saturated enough for my liking.
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Yes, the 1080 resolution is a major draw back for me. Because it's a pentile display the effective resolution is only around 800-900. It's not good enough.
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When I had the 3T the display was amazing. I'm my opinion 1080p for a device is solid. Doesn't drain battery like the s8.
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A QHD display drains very little more battery than a 1080 display...
https://youtu.be/jBPcCETBGgI
Used my OnePlus 5 for a day, no issues with the 1080p display compared to my LG G3. Was expecting a decent downgrade, but honestly don't notice it at all and can't tell the difference.
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Hey guys, so I'm sold on the OnePlus 5 in every way but there's one glaring con that has me on the fence here. My current phone is a Nexus 6, and I LOVE the size and QHD display! Now, I realize that they don't really make 6" phones much anymore....... but the thing that really has me unsure us the 1080p display in the 5. It's an upgrade for me in every way, but a downgrade in screen resolution. My question here, is there a HUGE noticeable difference in the 1080p panel when compared to a QHD one?
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Unless you frequently use VR, you will not notice the difference without looking closely. The display is the same one as the 3T because it's a very good panel.
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Yes, the 1080 resolution is a major draw back for me. Because it's a pentile display the effective resolution is only around 800-900. It's not good enough.
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A QHD display drains very little more battery than a 1080 display...
https://youtu.be/jBPcCETBGgI
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S8+ in FHD mode still has QHD display matrix. So, this test shows how well Samsung "emulated" FHD display using QHD one and what is the gain from such operation. QHD display has to drive all it's pixels even if GPU would calculate resolution for FHD one. So, this test can be applied for S8+ FHD/QHD modes...
Regarding display resolutions, I am kinda agree with Apple "retina" reasons - as long at it more then 300 dpi it should be fine for looking at normal distance.
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S8+ in FHD mode still has QHD display matrix. So, this test shows how well Samsung "emulated" FHD display using QHD one and what is the gain from such operation. QHD display has to drive all it's pixels even if GPU would calculate resolution for FHD one. So, this test can be applied for S8+ FHD/QHD modes...
Regarding display resolutions, I am kinda agree with Apple "retina" reasons - as long at it more then 300 dpi it should be fine for looking at normal distance.
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That's not true. In FHD mode on the S8 every other Pixel is completely turned off(the advantage of an OLED display where this can be done) so it is true 1080. You are getting all the battery savings a true 1080 display is getting.
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That's not true. In FHD mode on the S8 every other Pixel is completely turned off(the advantage of an OLED display where this can be done) so it is true 1080. You are getting all the battery savings a true 1080 display is getting.
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Simple math:
Every other pixel of 1440 will give you 720 pixels.
Every 1 of 3 will yield 960 pixels - still not 1080.
Do you know how Samsung actually downscale 1440 into 1080?
If it will shutdown pixels, then brightness needs to be compensated by increasing current through remaining pixels... I don't have this information, do you?
PS: after looking on some examples (closeups of screen shots of S7 HD, FHD and QHD modes) I think that Samsung just uses zooming function to scale display resolutions and does not shutdown pixels. And if this is the case, my previous post still stands - all gain Samsung demonstrated by lowering resolution is just from GPU rendering lesser pixels.
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Simple math:
Every other pixel of 1440 will give you 720 pixels.
Every 1 of 3 will yield 960 pixels - still not 1080.
Do you know how Samsung actually downscale 1440 into 1080?
If it will shutdown pixels, then brightness needs to be compensated by increasing current through remaining pixels... I don't have this information, do you?
PS: after looking on some examples (closeups of screen shots of S7 HD, FHD and QHD modes) I think that Samsung just uses zooming function to scale display resolutions and does not shutdown pixels. And if this is the case, my previous post still stands - all gain Samsung demonstrated by lowering resolution is just from GPU rendering lesser pixels.
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Batfink is correct, it works by actually switching off pixels on the display. There's even an app on the Playstore that'll do the same thing if you have a rooted phone.
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Batfink is correct, it works by actually switching off pixels on the display. There's even an app on the Playstore that'll do the same thing if you have a rooted phone.
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Any references to prove this statement? or arguments?
PS: sometimes ago, I had asked author of Battery Calibration app (distributed through Play Store and sure needed root) where did he get an idea that by deleting certain file in Android OS he will force battery re-calibration process... His reply was - on XDA forum in thread which was using reference to his application as remedy for battery calibration issue. See where I am going - one myth got dragged from place to place and later on many use it as a source of true knowledge without even testing/questioning it.
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Any references to prove this statement? or arguments?
PS: sometimes ago, I had asked author of Battery Calibration app (distributed through Play Store and sure needed root) where did he get an idea that by deleting certain file in Android OS he will force battery re-calibration process... His reply was - on XDA forum in thread which was using reference to his application as remedy for battery calibration issue. See where I am going - one myth got dragged from place to place and later on many use it as a source of true knowledge without even testing/questioning it.
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This article shows how the performance is affected by the resolution change....
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...iny-new-hardware-meets-old-software-habits/5/
I'm not saying the battery doesn't or does drain more, only that the resolution is actually changed because it is. It's really quite simple with an AMOLED screen to turn a certain amount of pixels off and it's a native Android thing to be able to do it.
It's the same as Android TV boxes being able to output at say 720or 1080.
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This article shows how the performance is affected by the resolution change....
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...iny-new-hardware-meets-old-software-habits/5/
I'm not saying the battery doesn't or does drain more, only that the resolution is actually changed because it is. It's really quite simple with an AMOLED screen to turn a certain amount of pixels off and it's a native Android thing to be able to do it.
It's the same as Android TV boxes being able to output at say 720or 1080.
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This is a fact that resolution will affect performance (FPS). GPU has to render much less pixels in FHD vs QHD.
I am arguing how FHD got scaled to QHD matrix. Let's make an experiment, set resolution to even lowest setting like 720 - and if Samsung shuts down every other pixel then you should see black dots on white background. (because only half of QHD pixels should be lit according to your argument). And remaining pixels should double current consumption to keep up with overall screen brightness... is it what we seeing?
Maybe it's just like with PC monitor. Video card just scales lower resolution into HD monitor with high pixel count. So, I have 4k monitor but when I scale 800x640 resolution into it I see native pixels got combined into HUGE one and there is no black voids in between native white/lit pixels. Though every pixel on display can be controlled independently...
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Yes, the 1080 resolution is a major draw back for me. Because it's a pentile display the effective resolution is only around 800-900. It's not good enough.
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A QHD display drains very little more battery than a 1080 display...
https://youtu.be/jBPcCETBGgI
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Either ways they don't have that kind of technology yet. probably the 5T will have it. Lets nag the oneplus for QHD in the forums until they give it to us... Didn't they say that they listen to their community.