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I have a GSM Touch Diamond and there's no way to use the US 3G even if you have a 3G sim, we discussed it in the Diamond forum and people said it's just not possible. Is this the case with the Blackstone or are you able to use 3G in the US?
if you use a 3 sim you can get service if 3 got a roaming agreement with an usa isp
if the usa isp don't use 3g services on the hz's the rest of the world use you can only get
2g or 2.5g (edge) service
the Telstra Touch HD version (Blackstone - T8285) uses at&t's 850 3G band. it works quite well in the US as long as one is in an area that uses more 850 3G towers vs. 1900 3G towers.
cortez.i said:
the Telstra Touch HD version (Blackstone - T8285) uses at&t's 850 3G band. it works quite well in the US as long as one is in an area that uses more 850 3G towers vs. 1900 3G towers.
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So it'll be the same 3G and the same speed as if it were an AT&T phone (like iPhone etc.)?
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So it'll be the same 3G and the same speed as if it were an AT&T phone (like iPhone etc.)?
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it's 3G from at&t, period. as i mentioned in my post, the Telstra HD is limited to using at&t's 850 3G band. at&t uses both 850/1900 to deliver 3G. if you're in an area that uses only/more 1900 3G towers then you may not have 3G access. i believe Phoenix, AZ is an example. can't comment on the speed with an at&t phone because i don't own one. the pic below is an example of the speed i get with my Telstra HD on at&t.
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it's 3G from at&t, period. as i mentioned in my post, the Telstra HD is limited to using at&t's 850 3G band. at&t uses both 850/1900 to deliver 3G. if you're in an area that uses only/more 1900 3G towers then you may not have 3G access. i believe Phoenix, AZ is an example. can't comment on the speed with an at&t phone because i don't own one. the pic below is an example of the speed i get with my Telstra HD on at&t.
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If there's 850 towers but more 1900 towers then the 3G just won't work at all? It won't just connect to the 850 ones?
I live in Houston, TX and commute between there and Austin, TX.
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If there's 850 towers but more 1900 towers then the 3G just won't work at all? It won't just connect to the 850 ones?
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i can't say if it won't work at all. for example, if there are 100 towers and 95 are 1900 and 5 are 850 and, you live near an 850 tower, (theoretically) you should get 3G access. using your example, i would say you'd be connected to Edge more often than 3G.
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I live in Houston, TX and commute between there and Austin, TX.
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if i remember correctly, there's a user here named tucomora who lives in Houston and has a Telstra HD. i believe he indicated that Houston may have more 1900 towers than 850s. but, as you may know, at&t is adding more 850 towers nation wide. i suggest you send tucomora a PM to get his perspective on using the HD in south texas.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=251104
I looked for tucomora, tucamora, tacamora, couldn't find anyone.
Would you not be able to go into the phone's settings and disable the 1900 band or something? I have a Diamond on AT&T now and it's between upgrading to an HD or waiting another month and signing up with Sprint for the Touch Pro 2 (or Palm Pre now) and then just looking like an idiot carrying 2 phones around.
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I looked for tucomora, tucamora, tacamora, couldn't find anyone.
Would you not be able to go into the phone's settings and disable the 1900 band or something? I have a Diamond on AT&T now and it's between upgrading to an HD or waiting another month and signing up with Sprint for the Touch Pro 2 (or Palm Pre now) and then just looking like an idiot carrying 2 phones around.
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why would you want to disable the UMTS 1900 3G band? if there are no 850 3G towers, you won't get 3G service you'll get EDGE instead. my phone options are set to Auto for GSM and UMTS and if there are no 850 3G towers it switches to EDGE. simple as that, not a big deal for me (and not implying that it is to you). you can change the GSM/UMTS settings to seek/use only 850/1900 3G towers, but in my experience, if the HD doesn't find an 850 3G tower, i won't have a phone signal, period. if you're in the US and want a HD with 3G capabilities, you get the Telstra Touch HD and accept the fact that having only one US 3G band (e.g., 850 3G) will limit 3G access in some areas.
link to user i was referring to turcomora.
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why would you want to disable the UMTS 1900 3G band? if there are no 850 3G towers, you won't get 3G service you'll get EDGE instead.[/URL]
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If there are 850 towers but just not as many as 1900 towers, you could disable 1900 so it only connects to the 850 towers and then you'd have 3G, right? That's what I was saying. I have EDGE on the Diamond but it's so slow it makes me not want to use it most of the time.
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If there are 850 towers but just not as many as 1900 towers, you could disable 1900 so it only connects to the 850 towers and then you'd have 3G, right? That's what I was saying. I have EDGE on the Diamond but it's so slow it makes me not want to use it most of the time.
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uh, no it doesn't work like that. the phone is going to lock onto the strongest signal possible. if it sees a stronger 1900 signal, that's what the phone will use. if you (could) disable the 1900 band and you're in an area with 1900 towers, you would not have ANY signal at all, no phone, no data. based on your level of concern, wait for the at&t TP2 (or whatever it's called); then you'll have no worries about 3G access.
Thanks for all the help, I just ordered the T8285 so I'll let you know how it is. Will I be able to use all my Diamond accessories with the HD (extra batteries, chargers, etc.)?
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Thanks for all the help, I just ordered the T8285 so I'll let you know how it is. Will I be able to use all my Diamond accessories with the HD (extra batteries, chargers, etc.)?
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chargers yes, batteries no. The Telstra ROM that comes with your device will have its internet connection settings locked to Telstra (which we can't obviously use in the US). this means you won't be able to access the internet from your phone until you add at&t's connection settings. i never researched methods to add at&t's connection settings so i don't know if they exist. i flashed HardSPL to my device so i could install a custom ROM. i suggest you click the link in my signature and learn about flashing new ROMS. hope you enjoy your device!
Thanks. I looked at some accessories on ebay and they all say for t8282 (for example http://cgi.ebay.com/o569-2in1-Deskt...ries?hash=item3352c2143b&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 ), are the batteries for the 8282 and the 8285 different or will this work?
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Thanks. I looked at some accessories on ebay and they all say for t8282 (for example http://cgi.ebay.com/o569-2in1-Deskt...ries?hash=item3352c2143b&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 ), are the batteries for the 8282 and the 8285 different or will this work?
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bumpppppppppppppp, anyone know?
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Thanks. I looked at some accessories on ebay and they all say for t8282 (for example http://cgi.ebay.com/o569-2in1-Deskt...ries?hash=item3352c2143b&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 ), are the batteries for the 8282 and the 8285 different or will this work?
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T8282 battery works with T8285. essentially, accessories for the T8282 work for the T8285. the only difference between the phones is the radio bands.
Just curious if anyone is using the MT4G on AT&T and how well that's working? I know we can unlock it for use with any carrier but wanted some feedback before I spend the money to get my gf (now using iphone 3gs) an MT4G to use on AT&T.
I already know that 4G won't work. I got her a Captivate for Christmas but she really likes Sense and AT&T's phones are so locked down it's stupid. Can't use custom ringtones, can't sideload apps, etc.
Can anyone help out?
So I'm doing some research and it looks like there's minial wcdma overlap which means spotty 3g coverage? Is that right? I really don't know how to interpret what I'm seeing though so I would be really appreciative for the input of someone more informed than I.
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i am using my MT4G on att and its preety good reception wise. I got 15 dollar unlimited data plan. Bec this is tmobil made hardware so i only get edge.
Why not just grab her an att nexus one and flash sense into it? Evil D's ports are really good!
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I already know that 4G won't work.
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3G won't work either. My question is why on earth would you want to take a MT4G over to the [IMO] worst network of all time?
Only bands 1& 4 right?
Although the captivate supports 2100, at&t only operates 850 & 1900 in the us. Some phones have 2100 for global roaming because that's what most others use.
While at&t does have a larger footprint, I just paid them $180 to get out of my contract and I'm much happier with tmobile. Texts actually send and web pages actually load.
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It works just fine, just slower, obviously.
And yes, it is 3G.
Let me be super clear about this... 3G WILL NOT WORK on AT&T. The MT4G just doesn't have the right radio. However, the Vibrant (surprisingly) does have the 850 band on its 3G radio, and does sort of work for AT&T.
If you want an Android phone on AT&T, I recommend buying something unlocked from Canada. Rogers and Bell both share AT&T's 3G bands (850 & 1900), and have a better selection than AT&T itself.
Really great comments here. She's got a year left on her contract, that's why. She's gonna find out her termination fee tomorrow cuz she loves my mt4g, lol.
I always knew that an N1 is definitely her best bet but can't find one used and have an mt4g in the works for $260.
We're talking slightly different things here as well. HSPDA on ATT won't work.
However, "EDGE" describes a family of service classes, not a single speed. Depending on your location and the service speeds there, EDGE may in fact be qualified to be called 3G according to the ITU (the international body that certifies this nomenclature).
As the radio in this phone most certainly does support EDGE, whether or not you can get 3G speeds on AT&T will depend on your location. For most of us this will still be a "no," but if the OP is in one of the special markets (LA, NYC, ATL) you can see it. Since OP is in Oakland, I figured he might get lucky.
I swap cards a bit on mine (one SIMM or work, and one for personal use) and have been in areas where the EDGE network was nearly as fast as the supposed 4G on the other card.
I should probably start using the that bandwith meter app and record my results. It could be interesting.
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We're talking slightly different things here as well. HSPDA on ATT won't work.
However, "EDGE" describes a family of service classes, not a single speed. Depending on your location and the service speeds there, EDGE may in fact be qualified to be called 3G according to the ITU (the international body that certifies this nomenclature)...
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EDGE is not generally considered a 3G technology, although it is a significant improvement over GPRS, and it offers speeds approaching true 3G speeds.
Calling EDGE "3G" is somewhat like T-Mobile calling HSPA+ "4G"; it's playing a little fast and loose with the definitions. I do agree that in ideal circumstances, EDGE speeds can be pretty good, but it really falters when it comes to streaming media or any other data-intensive task.
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can an unlocked at&t or sprint sgs3 work on tmobile's 4G network?
Sprint is cdma .... t-mobile and att are gsm
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Sprint no, t mobile edge speeds. No good news as to whether more would be possible on t mobile.
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not until t-mobile has completed refarming its 1900 frequency to HSPA+ ...at least for the international and AT&T models. im not sure about the Sprint version.
I heard that the Sprint variant of the S3 has a sim slot since its an international phone. All you have to do is root and unlock it and it should work on T-Mobile 4G.
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Sprint is cdma .... t-mobile and att are gsm
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that didnt answer my question.
prankoy said:
not until t-mobile has completed refarming its 1900 frequency to HSPA+ ...at least for the international and AT&T models.
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so currently, you cant get the int'l or at&t phone to work on tmo's 4G until tmo upgrades to HSPA+.. do you know when that will happen?
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that didnt answer my question.
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It does, actually… perhaps a bit too technical.
so currently, you cant get the int'l or at&t phone to work on tmo's 4G until tmo upgrades to HSPA+.. do you know when that will happen?
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That's not an accurate statement but it makes the point—non-T-Mobile GS3s won't work on T-Mobile's 3G/4G until they redeploy from 1700 to 1900 MHz.
T-Mobile hasn't put out a time table. AFAIK parts of downtown San Francisco (around the Moscone Center), parts of San Diego, and parts of Birmingham, Alabama (i.e. relatively nowhere) are the only places TMO has this configuration deployed.
That's not exactly true parts of Bellevue and Seattle Washington have been reformed too so I'm sure there's more areas
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AttachedSilver said:
I heard that the Sprint variant of the S3 has a sim slot since its an international phone. All you have to do is root and unlock it and it should work on T-Mobile 4G.
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nope, there's only an sd card slot in the sprint variant, the sim card is embedded
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that didnt answer question
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It did actually, AT&T and T-Mobile are gsm, while Verizon and sprint are cdma... completely different services. Your only choice is an AT&T, T-Mobile or a gsm international.
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tamasrepus said:
It does, actually… perhaps a bit too technical.
That's not an accurate statement but it makes the point—non-T-Mobile GS3s won't work on T-Mobile's 3G/4G until they redeploy from 1700 to 1900 MHz.
T-Mobile hasn't put out a time table. AFAIK parts of downtown San Francisco (around the Moscone Center), parts of San Diego, and parts of Birmingham, Alabama (i.e. relatively nowhere) are the only places TMO has this configuration deployed.
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he didnt answer my question. anyway, do you know when tmo will deploy this upgrade to nyc?
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It did actually, AT&T and T-Mobile are gsm, while Verizon and sprint are cdma... completely different services. Your only choice is an AT&T, T-Mobile or a gsm international.
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it did not.. i got a gsm phone from at&t thats unlocked to work on tmo. but i cant get it to work on tmo 4G.. thats why he didnt answer my question.
Look up t mobile 1900 mhz refarming. Thats ur best shot. Other than that right now signs are pointing to no hardware support for t mobiles currnt hspa bands. Basically, cross your fingers that tmobile changes to your frequency in your area with this phone. Tmobiles doin cuz they want to steal awayviphine users so they do have incentive. We'll be on that train too tho.
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he didnt answer my question. anyway, do you know when tmo will deploy this upgrade to nyc?
it did not.. i got a gsm phone from at&t thats unlocked to work on tmo. but i cant get it to work on tmo 4G.. thats why he didnt answer my question.
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Yes, t-mobile uses the same tech, but is gimped as far as the 1900mhz band goes. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a definitive adviser as to when they will overhaul their services.
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Look up t mobile 1900 mhz refarming. Thats ur best shot. Other than that right now signs are pointing to no hardware support for t mobiles currnt hspa bands. Basically, cross your fingers that tmobile changes to your frequency in your area with this phone. Tmobiles doin cuz they want to steal awayviphine users so they do have incentive. We'll be on that train too tho.
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i see.. so, tmo right now supports 1900 for their 4G. and the samsung galaxy s3 uses 1900, right?
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Yes, t-mobile uses the same tech, but is gimped as far as the 1900mhz band goes. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a definitive adviser as to when they will overhaul their services.
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i'm a bit confused here.. maybe you, r3a1ist or someone can help. i called tmo and they said that the samsung galaxy s3 works on their 1700 - 2100 while at&t has 850 - 1900.
i'm really confused because on the tmo website, the specs for the SGS3 says that it works on the following bands:
tmo:
850 MHz;900 MHz;1800 MHz;1900 MHz;UMTS: Band I (2100);UMTS: Band IV (AWS);UMTS: Band V (850)
i got 4 questions:
1) what frequencies does the tmo version work on.
2) what are the frequencies that at&t uses for its SGS3.
3) what frequency does tmo use for its 4G (internet) network.
4) when LTE comes out next yr on tmo, will samsung release a new line of SGS3 specifically for tmo to work on its LTE?
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he didnt answer my question. anyway, do you know when tmo will deploy this upgrade to nyc?
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Never, probably… I don't have a source (you can Google it) but T-Mobile does not have enough spectrum in NYC to do much shuffling.
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i see.. so, tmo right now supports 1900 for their 4G. and the samsung galaxy s3 uses 1900, right?
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You're not reading the thread, and/or are not understanding technical details. Answering your original question:
can an unlocked at&t or sprint sgs3 work on tmobile's 4G network?
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No, it won't.
The Sprint model apparently does not work. The AT&T may work later this year depending on your area. Are you asking whether you want to make a $500+ bet that it will? That's up to you—I wouldn't.
i'm a bit confused here.. maybe you, r3a1ist or someone can help. i called tmo and they said that the samsung galaxy s3 works on their 1700 - 2100 while at&t has 850 - 1900.
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I rarely get straight or correct answers from TMO's support, but yes—that's correct. What are you confused about?
i'm really confused because on the tmo website, the specs for the SGS3 says that it works on the following bands:
tmo:
850 MHz;900 MHz;1800 MHz;1900 MHz;UMTS: Band I (2100);UMTS: Band IV (AWS);UMTS: Band V (850)
i got 4 questions:
1) what frequencies does the tmo version work on.
2) what are the frequencies that at&t uses for its SGS3.
3) what frequency does tmo use for its 4G (internet) network.
4) when LTE comes out next yr on tmo, will samsung release a new line of SGS3 specifically for tmo to work on its LTE?
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1) It works on the frequencies you posted. Let's rewrite that:
GSM/EDGE (aka 2G): 850, 900, 1800, 1900 Mhz
UMTS/HSPA+ (aka 3G/4G): 850, 1700 (aka AWS), 1900 MHz
Is it less confusing now?
2) AT&T uses 850 Mhz and 1900 MHz for their HSPA+ service.
3) TMO as of July 2012 uses 1700 MHz for most their HSPA+ service. T-Mobile will support HSPA+ on 1900 MHz in some parts of the USA by the end of the year. Very few areas (T-Mobile has only officially disclosed a tower near the Moscone Center, in San Francisco) do so now. Concrete details are sparse and nonspecific.
4) Next year is a long time—the SGS3 will be old by then, and the Galaxy Note 2 or SGS4 will have been announced. Nobody can predict the future. But, looking at the past, TMO released a new "4G" version of the Vibrant, so it's also likely they release new "LTE" versions of their phones.
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1) It works on the frequencies you posted. Let's rewrite that:
GSM/EDGE (aka 2G): 850, 900, 1800, 1900 Mhz
UMTS/HSPA+ (aka 3G/4G): 850, 1700 (aka AWS), 1900 MHz
Is it less confusing now?
2) AT&T uses 850 Mhz and 1900 MHz for their HSPA+ service.
3) TMO as of July 2012 uses 1700 MHz for most their HSPA+ service. T-Mobile will support HSPA+ on 1900 MHz in some parts of the USA by the end of the year. Very few areas (T-Mobile has only officially disclosed a tower near the Moscone Center, in San Francisco) do so now. Concrete details are sparse and nonspecific.
4) Next year is a long time—the SGS3 will be old by then, and the Galaxy Note 2 or SGS4 will have been announced. Nobody can predict the future. But, looking at the past, TMO released a new "4G" version of the Vibrant, so it's also likely they release new "LTE" versions of their phones.
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its much less confusing now. thank you so much. its looks like the tmo tech guy i called was ignorant and didnt know what he was talking about. again, thanks.
one last question.. do you think that if i got the tmo version of the SGS3 and when LTE is released that the phone will no longer use HSPA? when LTE comes out, will the phone no longer use fast internet?
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one last question.. do you think that if i got the tmo version of the SGS3 and when LTE is released that the phone will no longer use HSPA? when LTE comes out, will the phone no longer use fast internet?
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Yeah… that's a complicated question whose answer I don't yet understand myself.
TMO is doing their 1900 MHz refarming to free up 1700 MHz for use w/ LTE. Stuff I'm wondering:
What happens to older 3G/4G devices that don't support 1900 MHz? Do they lose their 3G/4G Internet? Note: the GS3 supports 1900 MHz, and does not have this problem.
How is TMO going to deploy in spectrum crunched areas (like NYC)? They don't have enough spectrum to move everyone over to 1900 MHz—does this mean 1700 MHz HSPA+ will be cut off when they bring 1700 MHz LTE online? Your non-LTE GS3 might lose 3G/4G Internet in this situation—but I doubt TMO would do this to anyone with a phone still in contract.
All in all, make your purchasing situation on the situation today. The next new thing is always around the corner.
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Yeah… that's a complicated question whose answer I don't yet understand myself.
TMO is doing their 1900 MHz refarming to free up 1700 MHz for use w/ LTE. Stuff I'm wondering:
What happens to older 3G/4G devices that don't support 1900 MHz? Do they lose their 3G/4G Internet? Note: the GS3 supports 1900 MHz, and does not have this problem.
How is TMO going to deploy in spectrum crunched areas (like NYC)? They don't have enough spectrum to move everyone over to 1900 MHz—does this mean 1700 MHz HSPA+ will be cut off when they bring 1700 MHz LTE online? Your non-LTE GS3 might lose 3G/4G Internet in this situation—but I doubt TMO would do this to anyone with a phone still in contract.
All in all, make your purchasing situation on the situation today. The next new thing is always around the corner.
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hi tamasrepus... just to let you know, when i called the tmo rep like i told you in my previous post, he said that the SGS3 will use LTE.. but after your answers discredited him, i dont believe him. i guess we got to wait and see.
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It did actually, AT&T and T-Mobile are gsm, while Verizon and sprint are cdma... completely different services. Your only choice is an AT&T, T-Mobile or a gsm international.
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But LTE is a gsm technology, currently sprints/Verizons phone (Verizon razr maxx works on international/att networks after a recent update) is a hybrid, but they have weird lte frequencies, I've read that all US carriers will have incompatible freqs, but qualcom is building a chip that does them all plus European ones.
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It's simple, T mobile phone works on At&t HSPA but not LTE. At&t phone works on its own HSPA and LTE but not T moble 1700 HSPA. We've been trying to see if we can make it work on t mobiles 1700 hspa band, no luck yet. To make matters more uncertain. T mobile says they're refarming their 2g/edge spectrum to work on At&t's 1900 HSPA band. The At&t phone out of the box would be able to pick up this 1900 HSPA t mobile refarm. Although reports of this actually occuring are sporadic and they also fired the CEO who's plan it is a couple weeks ago. LoL. If you get that, that's the complete break down. So here you go:
T mobile phone - Supports both T mobile and At&t HSPA 4g speeds, no LTE of any kind.
At&t phone- Supports At&t LTE and HSPA only right now, t mobile HSPA "may" be available for it's antenna's in the future.
I was wondering why I can only get EDGE on my TMobile G2 phone... is it because of the GSM incompatibility that some TMobile phones have with the ATT network or am I doing something wrong?
Does your phone support 1900 MHz UTMS? That would be a problem. If it does then use *#0011# and make sure the bands are unlocked.
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Does your phone support 1900 MHz UTMS? That would be a problem. If it does then use *#0011# and make sure the bands are unlocked.
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I got "connection problem or invalid MMI code" when I ran that.
Edit: Did a bit more research and it turns out that it does *not* support 1900 MHz UTMS for 3G, so basically, this phone + ATT network = no 3G service, as the hardware is incompatible.
M!x said:
I got "connection problem or invalid MMI code" when I ran that.
Edit: Did a bit more research and it turns out that it does *not* support 1900 MHz UTMS for 3G, so basically, this phone + ATT network = no 3G service, as the hardware is incompatible.
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Someone doing their own research? Get the hell out.
Actually, I don't think the G2 even does 3G on anything but AWS. The HTC Desire Z (identical but without carrier branding) has a version that supports AT&T 3G, however.
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Someone doing their own research? Get the hell out.
Actually, I don't think the G2 even does 3G on anything but AWS. The HTC Desire Z (identical but without carrier branding) has a version that supports AT&T 3G, however.
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You are correct.
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Does your phone support 1900 MHz UTMS? That would be a problem. If it does then use *#0011# and make sure the bands are unlocked.
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Can you explain what you mean by "use *#0011# and make sure the bands are unlocked"? My Samsung phone can't get 4g service here on T-Mobile and it doesn't do 3G so I'd really like to enable HSPA+ if that's possible. I don't see anything on that screen that I can unlock though.
stevec5000 said:
Can you explain what you mean by "use *#0011# and make sure the bands are unlocked"? My Samsung phone can't get 4g service here on T-Mobile and it doesn't do 3G so I'd really like to enable HSPA+ if that's possible. I don't see anything on that screen that I can unlock though.
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Check which UMTS (3G) bands your phone supports - I suspect yours does not support T-Mobile's 3G band (IV). The information is usually available on wikipedia or gsmarena.
You do not "enable" 3G through software changes. Your phone supports it or it doesn't.
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Check which UMTS (3G) bands your phone supports - I suspect yours does not support T-Mobile's 3G band (IV). The information is usually available on wikipedia or gsmarena.
You do not "enable" 3G through software changes. Your phone supports it or it doesn't.
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It does support band IV, 1700Mhz, but it doesn't do HSPA+ so it can't get 3G. That screen still doesn't tell me anything though.
GSMArena says it has 3G Networking on HSDPA 850 / 1700 / 2100 / 1900 but that's not true. There is no 2100Mhz band, not on mine anyway. Actually GSMArena isn't very complete or very accurate, it don't even list the model T959V!
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It does support band IV, 1700Mhz, but it doesn't do HSPA+ so it can't get 3G. That screen still doesn't tell me anything though.
GSMArena says it has 3G Networking on HSDPA 850 / 1700 / 2100 / 1900 but that's not true. There is no 2100Mhz band, not on mine anyway. Actually GSMArena isn't very complete or very accurate, it don't even list the model T959V!
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That's not how HSPA+ works - it's essentially just faster 3G. Also, I found your phone on GSMArena, not sure how you searched but the information is all there and it supports band IV (1700/2100) and I (2100).
Are you sure you've enabled 3G (or deselected "Use only 2G networks")?
What is the history of the phone (bought new, used, etc.)? It should "just work" on T-Mobile as it's T-Mobile branded but, no offense, your details are a little vague.
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That's not how HSPA+ works - it's essentially just faster 3G. Also, I found your phone on GSMArena, not sure how you searched but the information is all there and it supports band IV (1700/2100) and I (2100).
Are you sure you've enabled 3G (or deselected "Use only 2G networks")?
What is the history of the phone (bought new, used, etc.)? It should "just work" on T-Mobile as it's T-Mobile branded but, no offense, your details are a little vague.
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Sorry if I was vague but it doesn't "just work" on T-Mobile! At first I though all Exhibit II models would be the same however they could have different versions like the Galaxy 2 that has an older version for 3G and a newer version that also now gets 4G, who knows.
The phone was purchased new a few months ago and is still stock. I know HSPA+ is faster 3G since I can get it on 1700Mhz on another device using the T-Mobile SIM from the Exhibit 2. Can't get HSPA+ or 3G on the Exhibit 2 though.
Yes the phone is on GSMArena but the info is not accurate, it claims the phone gets 3G and has a 2100Mhz band but that's not true. It only supports band IV on 1700.
There is no option to enable 3G or "Use only 2G networks". It has options for WCDMA (for 4G on 1700) or GSM (for Edge on 1900) but there is no setting in between for 3G or HSPA+. I tried setting it to WCDMA only but it defaults back to Auto using Edge unless I go to a T-Mobile store where they have a strong 4G signal that gives 5 bars. If I leave the store and go down the street there's no signal though.
I have verified that WCDMA for 4G is on 1700 and GSM for Edge is on 1900 using a spectrum analyzer but it never uses 2100 and has never used 3G anywhere in the Phoenix, Mesa or Scottsdale area, just Edge. There may be other modes and frequencies but I haven't been able to verify them.
If there is a way to turn on 3G I'd like to know what it is? Someone suggested dialing *#32489# clicking #3 then UTMS but that didn't do anything.
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Sorry if I was vague but it doesn't "just work" on T-Mobile! At first I though all Exhibit II models would be the same however they could have different versions like the Galaxy 2 that has an older version for 3G and a newer version that also now gets 4G, who knows.
The phone was purchased new a few months ago and is still stock. I know HSPA+ is faster 3G since I can get it on 1700Mhz on another device using the T-Mobile SIM from the Exhibit 2. Can't get HSPA+ or 3G on the Exhibit 2 though.
Yes the phone is on GSMArena but the info is not accurate, it claims the phone gets 3G and has a 2100Mhz band but that's not true. It only supports band IV on 1700.
There is no option to enable 3G or "Use only 2G networks". It has options for WCDMA (for 4G on 1700) or GSM (for Edge on 1900) but there is no setting in between for 3G or HSPA+. I tried setting it to WCDMA only but it defaults back to Auto using Edge unless I go to a T-Mobile store where they have a strong 4G signal that gives 5 bars. If I leave the store and go down the street there's no signal though.
I have verified that WCDMA for 4G is on 1700 and GSM for Edge is on 1900 using a spectrum analyzer but it never uses 2100 and has never used 3G anywhere in the Phoenix, Mesa or Scottsdale area, just Edge. There may be other modes and frequencies but I haven't been able to verify them.
If there is a way to turn on 3G I'd like to know what it is? Someone suggested dialing *#32489# clicking #3 then UTMS but that didn't do anything.
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I don't know where to begin but let me get this straight...
-You bought a new Exhibit II from T-Mobile.
-It doesn't get 3G outside of the store.
-Your other T-Mobile compatible device gets 3G outside of the store.
-You've owned this same Exhibit II which hasn't been connecting to 3G for months.
On these points alone, am I understanding you correctly?
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I don't know where to begin but let me get this straight...
-You bought a new Exhibit II from T-Mobile.
-It doesn't get 3G outside of the store.
-Your other T-Mobile compatible device gets 3G outside of the store.
-You've owned this same Exhibit II which hasn't been connecting to 3G for months.
On these points alone, am I understanding you correctly?
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Close but not quite correct, it doesn't get 4G outside of the store.
It can't get 3G at all anywhere!
Since there is no 4G network is there a way to turn on or enable 3G or is it hopeless?
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Close but not quite correct, it doesn't get 4G outside of the store.
It can't get 3G at all anywhere!
Since there is no 4G network is there a way to turn on or enable 3G or is it hopeless?
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In a previous post you said that you "know" what I'm talking about but clearly that is not the case.
What T-Mobile calls 4G is actually 3G with improvements to the backhaul as well as the radios on the phones - where T-Mobile has 4G, it also has 3G.
The point of my last post was to make it obvious that you have a defective phone. I shouldn't have assumed you would figure it as you haven't figured it out in the months you've owned a phone that obviously has reception issues.
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In a previous post you said that you "know" what I'm talking about but clearly that is not the case.
What T-Mobile calls 4G is actually 3G with improvements to the backhaul as well as the radios on the phones - where T-Mobile has 4G, it also has 3G.
The point of my last post was to make it obvious that you have a defective phone. I shouldn't have assumed you would figure it as you haven't figured it out in the months you've owned a phone that obviously has reception issues.
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Again not true! What they call 4G is using WCDMA but 3G is using HSPA+. 3G using HSPA+ has improvements that will allow it to go up to 20Mb but my Android phone doesn't have an option for 3G, just 4G using WCDMA. The people at the T-Mobile stores would beg to differ with you about the phone being bad since I've been to 5 T-Mobile stores and they say the phone works OK since it can get 4G on 1700Mhz in the store.
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Again not true! What they call 4G is using WCDMA but 3G is using HSPA+. 3G using HSPA+ has improvements that will allow it to go up to 20Mb but my Android phone doesn't have an option for 3G, just 4G using WCDMA. The people at the T-Mobile stores would beg to differ with you about the phone being bad since I've been to 5 T-Mobile stores and they say the phone works OK since it can get 4G on 1700Mhz in the store.
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Your posts are too long to be trolling, but it still feels like you are because everything you post is wrong.
In case you're not trolling:
-Your phone has hardware defects that are affecting how well it connects to 3G.
-The fact that you get reception in stores is likely because stores have signal boosters.
-Retail employees are idiots. They are trained to use the products just enough to sell them (read: not much) and aren't paid enough to attract anyone with half a brain to the position. Walk a block away from the store and show them that your phone doesn't connect to 3G (or "4G" if you still want to call it that).
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Again not true! What they call 4G is using WCDMA but 3G is using HSPA+. 3G using HSPA+ has improvements that will allow it to go up to 20Mb but my Android phone doesn't have an option for 3G, just 4G using WCDMA. The people at the T-Mobile stores would beg to differ with you about the phone being bad since I've been to 5 T-Mobile stores and they say the phone works OK since it can get 4G on 1700Mhz in the store.
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Your posts are too long to be trolling, but it still feels like you are because everything you post is wrong.
In case you're not trolling:
-Your phone has hardware defects that are affecting how well it connects to 3G.
-The fact that you get reception in stores is likely because stores have signal boosters.
-Retail employees are idiots. They are trained to use the products just enough to sell them (read: not much) and aren't paid enough to attract anyone with half a brain to the position. Walk a block away from the store and show them that your phone doesn't connect to 3G (or "4G" if you still want to call it that).
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Both of you are feeling like you're trolling.
It may be a tower issue or your phone. The only way to check is to use another phone.
I know T- mobile is rolling out their 1900mhz band across the US this year, and in the last few days I've noticed much better signal strength and I just ran a speedtest and was very impressed by the results. I've had better upload results but this is by far the fastest upload speeds I've seen on the mobile data network.
Showed the 'H' icon next to the signal bars, I wonder if our phones will ever show 'LTE'?
I know I'm getting 4G but never says 4G. Always just 'H'.
Anyway, here's a screen if the results:
http://db.tt/V0IaSyjO
Close to 20Mbps!
Haha, I, as well as many others in this forum have been getting 20-25 off HSPA 42. There is an internal setting in the Nexus 4 to enable LTE, and if you connect to LTE, it shows the appropriate symbol, too. Currently, the flavor of LTE that the Nexus likes is only available in Canada (and maybe other places, but not US yet as far as I know), but it's starting to get deployed in the US via T-Mobile. It started off in Las Vegas and Kansas, or will be starting off, so if you're not in either of those places, you probably don't have LTE.
AW: Are these speeds LTE level?
Look under Settings-About the phone- status, there you can see the type of connection
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Its always gonna say h. There are ROMS that replace the icon with a 4g icon but most of them leave them as is. That doesnt mean your not getting 4g , plus those speeds look very good to me
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Those speeds are excellent for 4g, but with lte you're going to see upload speeds as fast as your download speeds.
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Haha, I, as well as many others in this forum have been getting 20-25 off HSPA 42. There is an internal setting in the Nexus 4 to enable LTE, and if you connect to LTE, it shows the appropriate symbol, too. Currently, the flavor of LTE that the Nexus likes is only available in Canada (and maybe other places, but not US yet as far as I know), but it's starting to get deployed in the US via T-Mobile. It started off in Las Vegas and Kansas, or will be starting off, so if you're not in either of those places, you probably don't have LTE.
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All good to know.
I'm in Seattle regularly, which was one if the first places T-Mobile rolled out their 1900mhz LTE service, do how do I turn on this internal setting you mentioned?
Thanks.
Globespy said:
All good to know.
I'm in Seattle regularly, which was one if the first places T-Mobile rolled out their 1900mhz LTE service, do how do I turn on this internal setting you mentioned?
Thanks.
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T-Mobile isn't rolling out LTE on 1900mhz. That's just 3G.
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T-Mobile isn't rolling out LTE on 1900mhz. That's just 3G.
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Interesting, I've received different information. I've spoken with level 3 tech support numerous times about the roll out of their 1900mhz band during 2013 across the US, and they confirmed that their version of LTE will use the 1900mhz frequency (which, incidentally is the most highly used global frequency for high speed data - I'm a British and Australian Citizen as well as US Citizen and use my phones worldwide). The 700mhz frequency is for Verizon LTE phones, so T-Mobiles decision to run 1900mhz will mean that AT&T customers can move to T-Mobile with their existing phones
Their current 3G and 4G runs on 1700mhz - of course your phone will only get 4G if it's hardware capable of 4G.
Here's an article that will explain it all for you:
http://newsroom.t-mobile.com/articles/4GNetworkEvolutionVendorsSelected
Uhh
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Interesting, I've received different information. I've spoken with level 3 tech support numerous times about the roll out of their 1900mhz band during 2013 across the US, and they confirmed that their version of LTE will use the 1900mhz frequency (which, incidentally is the most highly used global frequency for high speed data - I'm a British and Australian Citizen as well as US Citizen and use my phones worldwide). The 700mhz frequency is for Verizon LTE phones, so T-Mobiles decision to run 1900mhz will mean that AT&T customers can move to T-Mobile with their existing phones
Their current 3G and 4G runs on 1700mhz - of course your phone will only get 4G if it's hardware capable of 4G.
Here's an article that will explain it all for you:
http://newsroom.t-mobile.com/articles/4GNetworkEvolutionVendorsSelected
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I don't need an article.. T-Mobile is deploying band 4 LTE over 1700/2100mhz frequencies. The 1900mhz band is being refarmed to HSPAP which will allow AT&T users to use HSPAP on T-Mobile. This also allows T-Mobile to stop using 1700/2100 for HSPAP since they will be using it for LTE.
If you are calling T-Mobile and expecting their "level 3 tech support" to know anything, you're doing it wrong.
Also the article you posted even proves my point.. "Refarming 1900mhz for '4G HSPAP'"
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Uhh
I don't need an article.. T-Mobile is deploying band 4 LTE over 1700/2100mhz frequencies. The 1900mhz band is being refarmed to HSPAP which will allow AT&T users to use HSPAP on T-Mobile. This also allows T-Mobile to stop using 1700/2100 for HSPAP since they will be using it for LTE.
If you are calling T-Mobile and expecting their "level 3 tech support" to know anything, you're doing it wrong.
Also the article you posted even proves my point.. "Refarming 1900mhz for '4G HSPAP'"
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Thanks for your clarification. Good to know that we will get LTE regardless as the phone supports all those bands.
And, yes their tech support had been I'll informed before.... I was hoping that since several different people had said the same thing that there was consistency... Seems consistently crap information. However, 1700mhz currently is 4G, so moving it to 1900mhz is to improve signal strength through buildings etc right?
I've since looked at comparisons between HSPA+ and LTE... seems that LTE has a significant edge uploading, not that great of a difference download (especially as download speeds are often limited by the site you visit, regardless of how fast your carrier speed).
I'm sure I'll be happy with HSPS+ as I rarely upload much more than photos I take on my phone camera, and current 4G is plenty sufficient as it is..