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Will we be ignored by developers ?

It seems like plenty more attention is being given to the international version.

Phone hasn't even been out 2 weeks! Give it time.

Not if they are with Sprint, ATT, Tmobile, US Cellular, Rogers, or Verizon..... I gotta say, I am amazed at how fast development is moving on this phone. Two weeks, and we have cm10, cm9, MIUI is right around the corner. What more do you want?

We have plenty of great developers already and more are on the way. We have Jelly Bean within a month of release and it's good enough to be a daily driver. Be grateful.

Phone hasn't been out very long yet. Already have root, ROM's.... Kernels. Also have 2 of the best Devs... Ktoonsez and Task
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Sidneymac said:
It seems like plenty more attention is being given to the international version.
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The international version covers 30+ countries, of course it is going to have more developers than the two countries that use this version (Canada & US).
The positive side is that they get to lay all the ground work, and eventually that work gets ported or brought over to ours.
All in due time.

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Sidneymac said:
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Less than two weeks in and we've got a nearly rock-solid CM10 preview build available. Been using it for a few days and it's awesome. I sure don't feel ignored.

I mean, sure, the Verizon version is gonna get shafted, but everybody else seems like it's all systems go.

jasvncnt1 said:
Also have 2 of the best Devs... Ktoonsez and Task
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Dont forget Cyanogen
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The better question is what do you want that isn't out already?

Sidneymac said:
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Yes, that's why more aspiring devs have to step up. /endsarcasm
|Trolling with a smile|

Jamin13 said:
Yes, that's why more aspiring devs have to step up. /endsarcasm
|Trolling with a smile|
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lol, I know.....its gonna be interesting seeing what this cyanogen guy can do, and that noobnl guy, along with all the other freaking awesome devs on this phone.

tekhna said:
I mean, sure, the Verizon version is gonna get shafted, but everybody else seems like it's all systems go.
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You obviously haven't been paying attention to the insanely intricate R&D that folks like AdamOutlier have been conducting.

Beknatok said:
You obviously haven't been paying attention to the insanely intricate R&D that folks like AdamOutlier have been conducting.
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I was concerned about the development before changing to the North American variant but have to say that I have been impressed. I have a feeling that down the road, there may be devs who are able to port some of the SGS3 international Roms to ours as well. Its been out barely a month and even less in other areas (Canadian launch was June 27th), but I have to say that things look very promising thus far. The CM10 preview was very much a nice surprise too

I would not use "left behind" in any way to describe the US variants of the Galaxy S3, with the exception of maybe our carriers taking forever to get official updates from Samsung out to us.
All of the four major US variants currently have CM9 builds. The Verizon variant doesn't appear on get.cm, but official repos for it exist, and with the progress of the auto-kexec exploit and all the work CVPCS has been putting in on streamlining it, I can definitely see the possibility of it getting official support.
If you're referring to tons of independent developer ROMs not popping up, all I can say is that the phone has only been out a couple of weeks. I can't speak for the other variants, but the Verizon version has had a couple stock-based ROMs, and I already mentioned the AOSP-variants like CM9.
So, no, I don't think we're left behind in any way.

The NA Variants (US Mostly) are officially being supported by Cyanogen, do you really need any other ROM, AOKP is already out as well, those really are the only 2 roms you should need.

Uuuuh? Lack of developers? Are you joking?
We already have official CM10 with almost everything working... There are so many touchwiz-based ROMs already out. (Most touchwiz based ROMs aren't "real" works of development. I mean no disrespect to developers and I said MOST, not all.)

yousefak said:
Uuuuh? Lack of developers? Are you joking?
We already have official CM10 with almost everything working... There are so many touchwiz-based ROMs already out. (Most touchwiz based ROMs aren't "real" works of development. I mean no disrespect to developers and I said MOST, not all.)
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Says the guy with a giant "BLAZER ROM" signature. Lol! JK! I think we'll be fine. Unfortunately the fragmentation between carriers when sharing the same device leeds developers to spread around based on their allegiance to whatever carrier.
Personally, I think Sprint's development is one of the strongest (doesn't compare to the int'l version though).

Chilled26 said:
We have plenty of great developers already and more are on the way. We have Jelly Bean within a month of release and it's good enough to be a daily driver. Be grateful.
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Who released a JellyBean ROM ? Only CM10 ?

Sidneymac said:
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International will always have more development. This phone is young still
All I have to say is wow -_-
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AT&T Note II - post release date and where to buy information

This is what is of particular interest to some of us. Please post information relevant to just the upcoming US AT&T version.
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i hoping note2 release the same day as idiotphone5.
att always release multi phones on the same day!

What I want to know is if there is any difference between the att note and the International note. Doesn't seem like it so far.
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ChodTheWacko said:
What I want to know is if there is any difference between the att note and the International note. Doesn't seem like it so far.
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it has an lte radio.

I think he was referring to whether it was gonna keep the exynos quad.
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Supposedly it will still have quad core & 2 megs ram with LTE. Gonna be a monster. My next phone for sure.
The only thing that bothers me is that I have not seen the FCC reports but usually come out before a phone is released...
But I haven't been following it as closely as I was with the note 1...
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It looks like the days of Qualcomm-based mutant derpbeasts are over.
http://vr-zone.com/articles/samsung...ipset-shows-up-in-korean-galaxy-s3/16442.html
There is finally an LTE/GSM dual-mode modem available from someone other than Qualcomm.
People have occasionally said "the Exynos 4 Quad isn't compatible with LTE" - This is false. Nothing in the CPU makes it incompatible/compatible - the only issue was that until recently, Qualcomm was the only company that had LTE/GSM combo basebands available, and Qualcomm won't sell their modems to someone not using their CPU.
A non-Qualcomm baseband chip changes everything.
I probably should've noticed this long ago - but CMC221 references have been cropping up in Samsung's source releases for a while now.
Edit: CMC221 seems to be an older chipset, there's a lot of conflicting info on exactly what is going on. Either way, it looks like Samsung now has access to SOME sort of baseband chipset that isn't from Qualcomm, OR Qualcomm has changed policies and is now selling LTE basebands that can be paired with non-Qcom CPUs.

Entropy512 said:
It looks like the days of Qualcomm-based mutant derpbeasts are over.
http://vr-zone.com/articles/samsung...ipset-shows-up-in-korean-galaxy-s3/16442.html
There is finally an LTE/GSM dual-mode modem available from someone other than Qualcomm.
People have occasionally said "the Exynos 4 Quad isn't compatible with LTE" - This is false. Nothing in the CPU makes it incompatible/compatible - the only issue was that until recently, Qualcomm was the only company that had LTE/GSM combo basebands available, and Qualcomm won't sell their modems to someone not using their CPU.
A non-Qualcomm baseband chip changes everything.
I probably should've noticed this long ago - but CMC221 references have been cropping up in Samsung's source releases for a while now.
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Nice...does this mean you're jumping on this phone?
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Artimus009 said:
Nice...does this mean you're jumping on this phone?
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Unknown. I need to do a lot of research. I've been really angry with AT&T's handling of Samsung devices, to the point where my plan until today was to ditch them for Straight Talk combined with international unlocked devices when my contract was up.
Nonmutilated LTE devices might change this... I'm still not sure, it still remains to be seen whether this new generation of LTE chips doesn't have the severe battery life penalties older LTE implementations did. Also, I'm not eligible for an upgrade until February and I really don't want to give the asshats at AT&T money for a full-price device just for a feature I likely won't use.
If ONLY the AT&T variant is capable of AT&T LTE - Maybe (I live in the boonies, I won't see LTE for a long time)
If the international variant supports the AT&T LTE bands - Hell no for the AT&T variant (say no to unjustified carrier mangling), possibly for the international variant.

Cant wait to see whats up with this on att! Glad i have an upgrade. If it is guad i will give my mom my s3!
MARBLE WHITE GALAXY SIII

fleurdelisxliv said:
Cant wait to see whats up with this on att! Glad i have an upgrade. If it is guad i will give my mom my s3!
MARBLE WHITE GALAXY SIII
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same. I have a SGS2 with a cracked screen. At&t already said they will allow me to use my wife's upgrade, but i don't know if i want to wait for the N2....but maybe i should. I almost jumped on the S3 this weekend, but i didn't. I had my reservations about the rediculousness of using the Note as a phone, but then again, i've made probably 2 calls on my S2 in 10 months. So I may have answered my own question.

Can we stick to some useful posts on when the device is coming out not whether people want it..?
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coldblooded79 said:
I think he was referring to whether it was gonna keep the exynos quad.
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Current rumors indicate it has the quad.
They appear 'hardware equivalent' enough that I wonder if you can flash international ROMS onto it.
I guess that's a pipe dream though, since it has a different model #, implying different hardware somewhere.
The N7000 was fun that you could flash different country's roms onto it - less waiting for new features.
I guess at this point I guess it'll mainly depend on when it gets released to AT&T.
- Frank

ChodTheWacko said:
Current rumors indicate it has the quad.
They appear 'hardware equivalent' enough that I wonder if you can flash international ROMS onto it.
I guess that's a pipe dream though, since it has a different model #, implying different hardware somewhere.
The N7000 was fun that you could flash different country's roms onto it - less waiting for new features.
I guess at this point I guess it'll mainly depend on when it gets released to AT&T.
- Frank
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I know and remember when I had my gs2, due to the similarities with the international, we could flash international rooms through hell raising. I'm sure it'll be the same, and come on entropy....you know you want it.....we want you.
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Edit:looks like posted in the wrong thread...

ChodTheWacko said:
Current rumors indicate it has the quad.
They appear 'hardware equivalent' enough that I wonder if you can flash international ROMS onto it.
I guess that's a pipe dream though, since it has a different model #, implying different hardware somewhere.
The N7000 was fun that you could flash different country's roms onto it - less waiting for new features.
I guess at this point I guess it'll mainly depend on when it gets released to AT&T.
- Frank
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It may be similar enough to only require a porting package.
For example, these were the differences between the SGH-I777 and GT-I9100:
I777 had a different call audio interface to the modem - I9100 modems and kernels would not work, but only a few kernel changes were needed to fix the kernel side of things.
I777 had a different microphone configuration - Swapping libaudio out would fix this initially, with ICS I reverse engineered it to the point where only a kernel change was needed
I777 had NFC - If you didn't mind it not working (note: did not work on I777 firmwares ANYWAY), didn't need to do anything when flashing an I9100 firmware. Actually, thanks to the I9100P it was easier to get NFC working on I9100 ports than I777 bases...
I777 had the typical USA touchkey configuration - needed a small kernel change and a keylayout change
The above meant that it was possible to develop a nearly universal porting tool for all Gingerbread firmwares, and once ICS kernel source was released, same for ICS firmwares. The main disadvantage was you couldn't do anything with I9100 leaks - kernel source was required.
CDMA users will be screwed - too many differences for a GSM firmware to ever have any hope of being cleanly ported to a CDMA device. (Exception being AOSP bringups.)

ekerbuddyeker said:
Can we stick to some useful posts on when the device is coming out not whether people want it..?
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Party pooper.

TheSkinnyDrummer said:
same. I have a SGS2 with a cracked screen. At&t already said they will allow me to use my wife's upgrade, but i don't know if i want to wait for the N2....but maybe i should. I almost jumped on the S3 this weekend, but i didn't. I had my reservations about the rediculousness of using the Note as a phone, but then again, i've made probably 2 calls on my S2 in 10 months. So I may have answered my own question.
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yea just wait its gona be awesome i have the s3 now but i will def jump on the note 2 bandwagon
ekerbuddyeker said:
Can we stick to some useful posts on when the device is coming out not whether people want it..?
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it will come out when it hits your local att store

Here is some information that looks good.
http://www.techspot.com/news/50091-...2-coming-to-all-major-carriers-in-the-us.html

Galaxy Note II reported to arrive at AT&T on October 21
As the Title say's - Galaxy Note II reported to arrive at AT&T on October 21 -- [Android Guys]
PLEASE DON'T LET IT BE ANY LONGER.

ONE Development (vs) S4 - Thoughts?

Which device seems more likely to get the best development support? Cyanogen(Steve) shared on G+ that he will keep both devices so both should see official CM very soon. The Galaxy phones are way more popular but are split up into many different forums per carrier on XDA. The One seems to only have 3 different threads (why the hell does ATT have its own when it is the same as the international?) and seems like it will be more centralized. Does this split seem like it will put overall development in one phone's favor over the other? I'm so lost with trying to decide between these two phones, I just have to ask. Thoughts? Anyone come from the One X(HTC One S dev was terrible) or S3?

Closed Source Project said:
Which device seems more likely to get the best development support? Cyanogen(Steve) shared on G+ that he will keep both devices so both should see official CM very soon. The Galaxy phones are way more popular but are split up into many different forums per carrier on XDA. The One seems to only have 3 different threads (why the hell does ATT have its own when it is the same as the international?) and seems like it will be more centralized. Does this split seem like it will put overall development in one phone's favor over the other? I'm so lost with trying to decide between these two phones, I just have to ask. Thoughts? Anyone come from the One X(HTC One S dev was terrible) or S3?
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i am not a developer. from what i know from flashing ROMs, phones that have a single chipset (like the HTC one with snapdragon, vs Galaxy S3/S4 tha thad exynos/snapdragon variants) attract more dev support b/c ROMs can be flashed across all carrier versions.
and along with official bootloader unlocking, it appears HTC would attract more devs. i think it will also depend on who releases source code quickly.
again, this is just conjecture based on experience.

I believe I read that HTC already released the source code for the one.
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If I'm not mistaken the galaxy series' are easier to develop for. Having said that I think the one will receive much love just because it's a freakin awesome phone and everybody is going to have on a like Steve.
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It doesn't matter which phone will receive more development because both phones will have a great amount of development anyway.
A Galaxy series phone is always guaranteed to have a lot of dev support and from the devs already supporting the One, with more to come, this will have great continued support aswell.

Closed Source Project said:
Which device seems more likely to get the best development support? Cyanogen(Steve) shared on G+ that he will keep both devices so both should see official CM very soon. The Galaxy phones are way more popular but are split up into many different forums per carrier on XDA. The One seems to only have 3 different threads (why the hell does ATT have its own when it is the same as the international?) and seems like it will be more centralized. Does this split seem like it will put overall development in one phone's favor over the other? I'm so lost with trying to decide between these two phones, I just have to ask. Thoughts? Anyone come from the One X(HTC One S dev was terrible) or S3?
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Really should be in the Q&A
But should receive a generous amount of dev. CM creator Steve put out a wonderful review of the unit. I would suspect this and the S4 will be the major units of 2013 dev wise.

No support for exynos devices. Team hacksung already stated that none of them will buy Samsung phones. They are frustrated due to lack of sources. They already moved to Xperia Z.
Of course, snapdragon version will get support
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Also Koush said on G+ apparently the AT&T and Verizon S4 will have locked bootloaders. It took a lot of work for Adam Outler and others to get the bootloader unlocked for the Note 2 & S3.

KidCarter93 said:
It doesn't matter which phone will receive more development because both phones will have a great amount of development anyway.
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+1
Most of so called "development" is copying other people's work, changing some icons and other images and zipping it up and making a cwm file. There are very few unique and useful mods.
Once some most glaring problems with a phone are fixed, development's job is finished. The rest is photoshopping and winzipping.
I say HTC One has already recevied almost enough development support. Volume button wake is implemented to fight the stupid power button placement problem. Most ROMs have already removed the annoying menu bar. Once custom kernels solve the rest of the problems like slow charging, what else is needed?

I am coming from s3 as i lost my device was thinking to get one this time.
I am also worried about its development.
But i am sure it will get cm rom but i dont think it will get as much aosp rom as galaxy series
And proper development means aosp rom development not some mods and theming
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nitinvaid said:
I am coming from s3 as i lost my device was thinking to get one this time.
I am also worried about its development.
But i am sure it will get cm rom but i dont think it will get as much aosp rom as galaxy series
And proper development means aosp rom development not some mods and theming
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It doesn't matter if the One has less AOSP ROMs than the S4 because as long as they're both high end phones and both have high quality ROMs to choose from, what else matters?
The One will get plenty of AOSP ROMs anyway. Any phone can be used for this following example;
CM is usually one of the first ROMs to be released on a phone, whether that be officially or unofficially. Once CM hits the device, a lot more ROMs appear because a lot of people base their ROMs right off of CM.
Even if CM isn't one of the first ROMs, the only ROMs we'll really see before it are stock based ROMs just like we have in this forum.
Quality NOT quantity!
And proper development doesn't mean AOSP because it wouldn't exactly be hard for me to make a ROM from an existing AOSP ROM. Just add a few simple features and done. That's not proper development in the slightest.
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Custom Android Support

How much support will the GS4 get from the Android dev community? I'm not trolling I have an honest question.
To me it seems like there's many barriers to the GS4 getting the level of support that the GS3 or Note II did.
1. Two major SoCs (very different)
2. Different software and radio stacks throughout world
3. Locked bootloaders right on US carriers.
Will this get more or less support than HTC One? When will the AT&T GS4 be rooted? Will it be rooted?

Good question, im also interested to know. The main reason why i want to get the s4 is because there are lots dev developing for s3 and note 2.
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Custom ROM

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned anywhere. I did a quick search and couldn't find an answer.
Why don't we have any custom roms out for this device yet? Is it because most devs have the at&t version of this phone?
Usually there is at least a debloated stock rom available but it just seems like no rom is available except for CM10
PS: I have the Rogers S4

Wait til they unlock your bootloader then watch the ROMs come in

h_zee13 said:
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned anywhere. I did a quick search and couldn't find an answer.
Why don't we have any custom roms out for this device yet? Is it because most devs have the at&t version of this phone?
Usually there is at least a debloated stock rom available but it just seems like no rom is available except for CM10
PS: I have the Rogers S4
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Mostly because ATT has a locked bootloader... guessing thats the majority of the people on this forum.
You canadian guys could be pumping them out though!

Yeah that's what I figured. I wish there were more (or any) canadian devs

Given at&t has 107 million US subscribers vs. Rogers, Bell and Telus' combined 23 million subscribers (not to mention Canada is proportionately much more of an iPhone country than the US), it is no surprise development won't fire up until at&t unlocks.
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Slim bean just posted at least!